
Tell him the truth about how you're feeling.

Posted by LillyPetalI don't think I'm ready to respond yet 😢 and my feelings are mixed - anger, disappointed, annoyed.. all that stuff.
Tell him the truth about how you're feeling.

Posted by SunMoonStarsThose are all negative emotions. If you were mentally ready to move on in three weeks and set up dates, I think you know how you feel.Posted by LillyPetalI don't think I'm ready to respond yet 😢 and my feelings are mixed - anger, disappointed, annoyed.. all that stuff.
Tell him the truth about how you're feeling.
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Posted by Capri-sunI want:
What do you want

Posted by SamCancerGirlYes, I sensed that too. I wasn't going to.
I knew he would back !! He was waiting for you to cave in first.
Posted by BadBoyYeah, he's said something similar to me before. Fights are normal in a relationship.. or something like that.
Their main tool is arguing. They love it.
What's love / relationship with out an argument, as one told me.
Posted by Capri-sunI want to save money with my partner to buy a place in the next 5 years, and figure out a way to work for myself/ourselves. Possibly think about semi retiring in 10-15 years.Posted by SunMoonStarsPosted by Capri-sunI want:
What do you want
- stop fighting
- healthy communication
- a long term plan with him if he wants a title (3-5 years, 10 years)
One of the reasons I think we're at a stalemate is because of the 3rd point. He's one of those, "you can plan..but there's no guarantees, things change". In my mind, that sounds like we'll go with the flow and roll with the punches.
Sorry, not doing that.
What do you see in the plan for instance
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Posted by BadBoyWhy is planning hard for them?? 😢Posted by SunMoonStarsMost caps expect that, even my male cap friends. Planning is hard for them.Posted by Capri-sunI want:
What do you want
- stop fighting
- healthy communication
- a long term plan with him if he wants a title (3-5 years, 10 years)
One of the reasons I think we're at a stalemate is because of the 3rd point. He's one of those, "you can plan..but there's no guarantees, things change". In my mind, that sounds like we'll go with the flow and roll with the punches.
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Posted by SeraphlightThank you!
I hope it works out for you :-) I hope it's for the best :-)
I hope you guys will be happy :-)

Posted by Capri-sunNo, I have very little earth and water I think.
Do you have cap or virgo placements?
Posted by aquarius_beautyThank you for the sound advice.
Wait until your emotions are settled and you can think clearly. You don't want to re-ignite a fight with him right when he came back. Keep living your life. Go on those dates. Keep your mind off things. Make him work hard to be with you! Don't cave in so easily

Posted by daron76Spot on.
You want to "plan" with someone yet you are uncomfortable defining your relationship. You want him to be certain about you, but you are uncertain about him. You feel taken for granted, he likely feels the same. Each of you is starting to resent the other behaviors you are both exhibiting.
This is a death spiral if I've ever seen one. Part of you is ready to move on- You are already testing the waters-- might as well jump in.
And, no we don't like fighting. But, like someone mentioned, it can be tolerated as long its not the same old shit.
Also, we are damn good at planning. Just cause we don't include you doesn't mean we aren't good at it. It means you aren't part of the plan.
Posted by aquarius_beautyThank you for the suggestions.Posted by SunMoonStarsWell when I mean work hard for you, I don't mean slave away. I mean have him pursue you and have him put in more work for you. Act interested with a bit of disinterested.Posted by aquarius_beautyThank you for the sound advice.
Wait until your emotions are settled and you can think clearly. You don't want to re-ignite a fight with him right when he came back. Keep living your life. Go on those dates. Keep your mind off things. Make him work hard to be with you! Don't cave in so easily
I don't know how to make him work hard to be with me. Any suggestions?
Let him win your affections. I would also spark a bit of jealousy in him. I wouldn't tell him about your dates but I would casually mention (if he asks or if it comes up in a conversation) that you're going out with friends or 'a friend'. Always remain general. If he asks what friend? Just say, 'a really good friend'. And change the topic. That way your subtle, not forceful (guys can smell that sh#t), and it gets him a bit ruffled up so he can try and win you back.
If you guys do end up dating again, take your time. Have fun. After you guys are comfortable to talk about being together, I would have a talk with him about the issues you guys had and how you guys should find ways to solve those issues/work around them. Compromise. Otherwise, your bound to end up in a vicious cycle.click to expand

Posted by SunMoonStarsIf you want it to stop, then it may be helpful to start asking yourself "why".Posted by daron76Spot on.
You want to "plan" with someone yet you are uncomfortable defining your relationship. You want him to be certain about you, but you are uncertain about him. You feel taken for granted, he likely feels the same. Each of you is starting to resent the other behaviors you are both exhibiting.
This is a death spiral if I've ever seen one. Part of you is ready to move on- You are already testing the waters-- might as well jump in.
And, no we don't like fighting. But, like someone mentioned, it can be tolerated as long its not the same old shit.
Also, we are damn good at planning. Just cause we don't include you doesn't mean we aren't good at it. It means you aren't part of the plan.
Yes, we are both resenting each and feel taken for granted. It's an ugly spiral and I want to stop it. It's not healthy for either one of us.
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Posted by aquarius_beautyHow do I throw the ball back in his court? I don't want to take the lead on this again.Posted by SunMoonStarsYes! Don't give him sex. At least not for now. If you wish to see him make sure its in public places or in a group date setting so you won't be tempted.Posted by aquarius_beautyThank you for the suggestions.Posted by SunMoonStarsWell when I mean work hard for you, I don't mean slave away. I mean have him pursue you and have him put in more work for you. Act interested with a bit of disinterested.Posted by aquarius_beautyThank you for the sound advice.
Wait until your emotions are settled and you can think clearly. You don't want to re-ignite a fight with him right when he came back. Keep living your life. Go on those dates. Keep your mind off things. Make him work hard to be with you! Don't cave in so easily
I don't know how to make him work hard to be with me. Any suggestions?
Let him win your affections. I would also spark a bit of jealousy in him. I wouldn't tell him about your dates but I would casually mention (if he asks or if it comes up in a conversation) that you're going out with friends or 'a friend'. Always remain general. If he asks what friend? Just say, 'a really good friend'. And change the topic. That way your subtle, not forceful (guys can smell that sh#t), and it gets him a bit ruffled up so he can try and win you back.
If you guys do end up dating again, take your time. Have fun. After you guys are comfortable to talk about being together, I would have a talk with him about the issues you guys had and how you guys should find ways to solve those issues/work around them. Compromise. Otherwise, your bound to end up in a vicious cycle.
I think the first step is to stop going over to his place, spending the night and having sex!
If he wants to talk, we can meet somewhere.
However, with his message of "I'm here...if ever" he's kind of putting the ball in my court?
"I'm here...if ever" I hate when guys wash off their hands by saying, hey! Im leaving it up to you to decide. NO! you take the lead and I'll decide if I wish to follow. Ugh ... anyway I think the dating scene is a lot different than what I am accustomed to 10 years ago. I think what you need to do is treat him as a friend. Best advice I got was "treat him like he was your gay best friend". It leaves all the tension behind and it helps you relax and not stress. I know it's not easy, trust me. But you can do it. If not just have your guard up. Don't let him sweet talk you into doing anything you don't want to. Fight and resist the urge to fall back into his arms.click to expand
Posted by lnana04I want to know what his plan is in general and he can't tell me right now so it's like we're at a standstill. I don't doubt that he wants to be with me,..but then what?
It sounds like you want something from him that he in incapable of giving. The plan to save, buy a house, work for yourselves sounds like the type of plans married couples make. This man can't even get a title and you want him to make those type of plans with you?
Also, it seems like he'd take a bit of the initiative when it comes to that type of thing. Idk, but I hope you are not wasting your time.
Posted by BadBoyHey, BAdBoy, thanks for the response. Yes, I understand. It's kinda similar with us Leos, too. Now that's what is confusing me!Posted by InLoveWithLifeIt is a hard thing for a cap to put their ego to the side. Even for a few seconds. The only way that happens is if they really like you. They have to have love for you.
Is it the same with all these fellows? Will they come back only when you've moved on, after playing indifferent when you care for them and love them? And even when they do come back, it's always back to the old tricks. "No title or label. Go with the flow. I'm going be diplomatic, confusing, and give you mixed signals!"
Tired of watching the same old play repeating itself. In my last mail, the one in which I wrote to him that we will break up, I'd made everything clear. That I hate the way he treats me and I can't stay with him for reasons such as his arrogance, no proper communication, and no label thing, asking if he was using me as a boost for his ego. (that honest, blunt mail did have a strong effect on him).
Maybe you could try something similar - act 'friendly' showing no romantic feelings. Two can play the old game of keeping the other confused. Act aloof. Act cool. Be on and off. Yes, act like you don't care and be patient till he shows strong signs of wanting you back.
At that point, tell him that you won't settle for a 'go with the flow' thingy with anyone. Good luck!
Only then will they take notice if you do what your saying above.
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Posted by SunMoonStarsIf he really wants to come back then he needs to realize that a large portion of your happiness and security is being in a monogamous relationship that is clearly defined. If he really loves you then he will WANT to call you his girlfriend and you name him boyfriend, if only too make someone he loves happy.
He did all the chasing and he is the one that wants the title. Until about a year ago, I said ok, let's try to strengthen our relationship, communication etc. I said i do think we should try at some point to be bf/gf if we can stop fighting over stupid crap.
Seemed like when I got more serious, he didn't know how to actually do the relationship building.
I want him to make suggestions on the that. I'm all out of them at this point.

Posted by Capri-sunwhoopsPosted by LadyNeptuneIt's her that won't make it official. The leo is the one with poems, etcPosted by SunMoonStarsIf he really wants to come back then he needs to realize that a large portion of your happiness and security is being in a monogamous relationship that is clearly defined. If he really loves you then he will WANT to call you his girlfriend and you name him boyfriend, if only too make someone he loves happy.
He did all the chasing and he is the one that wants the title. Until about a year ago, I said ok, let's try to strengthen our relationship, communication etc. I said i do think we should try at some point to be bf/gf if we can stop fighting over stupid crap.
Seemed like when I got more serious, he didn't know how to actually do the relationship building.
I want him to make suggestions on the that. I'm all out of them at this point.
If his dis comfort with that outweighs his 'love' for you then there is a big incompatibility that no amount of poems and love letters from him is going to change.click to expand

Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by BadBoyCap women need someone who can respectfully put them in their place. If I'm partnered with a weak person, I'll inadvertently steamroll them. We're independent and headstrong. If you won't take the reins, we will and we'll silently judge you and lose respect for you in the process.
Their main tool is arguing. They love it.
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Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by NostalgicCappyIf the rest are anything like mine? Where and when you least expect it. ?Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by BadBoyCap women need someone who can respectfully put them in their place. If I'm partnered with a weak person, I'll inadvertently steamroll them. We're independent and headstrong. If you won't take the reins, we will and we'll silently judge you and lose respect for you in the process.
Their main tool is arguing. They love it.
What's love / relationship with out an argument, as one told me.
Exactly. Where are they Cheeky?
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Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by NostalgicCappyYa know, it's just never been a power struggle kinda deal. Zero games. He leads by example and I'd follow him anywhere.Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by NostalgicCappyIf the rest are anything like mine? Where and when you least expect it. ?Posted by cheekyfaeriePosted by BadBoyCap women need someone who can respectfully put them in their place. If I'm partnered with a weak person, I'll inadvertently steamroll them. We're independent and headstrong. If you won't take the reins, we will and we'll silently judge you and lose respect for you in the process.
Their main tool is arguing. They love it.
What's love / relationship with out an argument, as one told me.
Exactly. Where are they Cheeky?
That's so cute, I love how happy he makes you. ☺️
I didn't know Virgo men were good at putting us in our place like that.
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Posted by iCloud9
i think i remember now
SunMoonStars you have never sounded like you are into him. if he is not a man you feel worthy enough to commit to without a long list of things you put on his to-change-list, why not take this opportunity to help him let you go? tell him once and for all that this is it. it may hurt him short term but he deserves to have a chance to find someone who actually appreciates him and wants to be with him.
Do the right thing. Set him free.
Posted by SunMoonStarsI can't speak for all Caps, but its possible he may fall back. Maybe its because I'm a female, idk, but if it's left up to me to lead a relationship that's already at a stagnant point, then it won't happen. He could be different, but idk
2 messages I want to get across are:
- I'm out of suggestions cause mine aren't working so if he wants to make this work, he'll have to come up with them.
- If he wants my time, he'll have to pursue me. I'm not making it easy for him anymore by initiating anything.
Posted by lnana04It's possible that he just sucks at relationships. Venus in Pisces is apparently more in love with the fantasy and crashes when faced with the day to day tasks of what it's like to be with someone.Posted by SunMoonStarsI can't speak for all Caps, but its possible he may fall back. Maybe its because I'm a female, idk, but if it's left up to me to lead a relationship that's already at a stagnant point, then it won't happen. He could be different, but idk
2 messages I want to get across are:
- I'm out of suggestions cause mine aren't working so if he wants to make this work, he'll have to come up with them.
- If he wants my time, he'll have to pursue me. I'm not making it easy for him anymore by initiating anything.
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Posted by LadyNeptuneLol, LadyNeptune, I'll take the 'incompatibility that poems can't change' thingy. Guess you're right there.Posted by Capri-sunwhoopsPosted by LadyNeptuneIt's her that won't make it official. The leo is the one with poems, etcPosted by SunMoonStarsIf he really wants to come back then he needs to realize that a large portion of your happiness and security is being in a monogamous relationship that is clearly defined. If he really loves you then he will WANT to call you his girlfriend and you name him boyfriend, if only too make someone he loves happy.
He did all the chasing and he is the one that wants the title. Until about a year ago, I said ok, let's try to strengthen our relationship, communication etc. I said i do think we should try at some point to be bf/gf if we can stop fighting over stupid crap.
Seemed like when I got more serious, he didn't know how to actually do the relationship building.
I want him to make suggestions on the that. I'm all out of them at this point.
If his dis comfort with that outweighs his 'love' for you then there is a big incompatibility that no amount of poems and love letters from him is going to change.
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Posted by SunMoonStarsAsk him why the angry face emoti
Update: I haven't replied to his text yet.
As mentioned, I'm out of suggestions for how we can fix things. He threw the ball in my court and I want to throw it back.
Any suggestions on what I could say?
Posted by SamCancerGirlHaha, I think he would if I said that! The bf title is what he wants.
If you wana be my bf - you need to step up and take me on a hot date!
Posted by -elle-Yes, I've always been the one to hold back the title. I don't think we're there yet.Posted by SunMoonStarsWhat?Posted by SamCancerGirlHaha, I think he would if I said that! The bf title is what he wants.
If you wana be my bf - you need to step up and take me on a hot date!
You are the one holding the title back?
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Posted by pinkbird03It would be better
I wonder what would happen if you gave him the title. Would it change anything?
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