How to Recognize LIBRA (Page 2)

"The USA do not interfere just from the goodness of their hearts and without ulterior motive and in WWII this proved true, too."

It's a necessary evil at this point. History has proven time and again that the USA will step in and sacrifice our own to help a country asking for it. And history has also proven that the USA will not let the sanctity of how this country was formed be jeopardized nor will the USA tolerate this country be in danger. Some people in the USA were and are happy to just let Europe, the Middle East, and the rest of the world fight it out without our military stepping in. We have a lot of issues we have not focused on here (our crime rate, our unemployment rate, our education system, etc.) that many of us would just rather shut the gates to our country and let other countries/continents hash out their differences so we can actually work to live up to our reputation as being the luckiest place to live in the world. Many Americans have taken advantage of the luxuries we have here. Many people are dissatisfied with the President, but you know what's great? We are allowed to publicly show our dismiss because we have this freedom to say or do things to show opposition and we do and say the things we do without that fear of being killed for exercising our rights.

It still upsets me to read about accounts of people who moved to America for a better life talk about how the USA deserved 9/11. People who moved here for freedom hate the country so much that let them call the USA their home were happy that we were attacked? That, of course, is a whole other topic.

Yes. You are right Prime.

I wrote a complete work of fiction. Corporate and banking interests are not the prime motive for any American policy foreign or domestic.

For the record, I never said Americans are stupid. I don't even believe that.

what, Prime said it wasn't? it's definitely a motive; not THE ONLY motive, but definitely A motive.

I am not on a high horse.

I said there is a lack of information. That doesn't imply stupidity at all.

I would love to know what you expect me to do against international banking cartels. Canada is just as much as slave as the states.

HP

* how this country was formed be jeopardized nor will the USA tolerate this country be in danger

Actually, it already has. The moment centralize banking was introduced to the states. Centralized banking was what your forefathers were fighting against hence the revolution. The Rockefellers, the Morgans, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds pushed for the Federal Reserved Act implementing Centralize banking. They funded Wilson's campaign so he would sign the act. He later wrote

"Our great Industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

"A World Banking System was being set up here ... a superstate controlled by international bankers .... acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. The Fed has usurped the government." - Louis McFadden

"I believe that Banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies ... if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency ... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson.

"If you want to remain slaves to the bankers and pay for the costs of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control the nation's credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp

i hate that damn sugardaddie.com advertisement

We live in a global economy Prime. We are unfortunately all linked and we are all in the same boat.

* You are a member of the G8, not like you don't have a seat at the table on the national level.

Your right. I will personally go marching in to the G8 and demand the end of the World Bank and IMF. People are fighting this but our governments, including your own, are slaves to our debts thus debtholders. If our governments have no power, how can we as individuals have power? This is what the world is upset about. Anytime they vote against these policies, their governments are overthrown, and granted new governments that will serve American interest. THIS is what the world is upset about.

I don't think most people know the implications of centralized banking. I don't think most people knows what it is. I sure as hell didn't until I started researching it. How could anyone know unless they educate themselves on it? And let's face it, academic political rhetoric is about as exciting and joyous as a trip to the dentist for a root canal. lol!

* When I want to change the system, I am not on DXP bitching about it,

Actually, you are. I believe you post more political opinions than anyone else. You are quite vocal. Which to me makes sense. When I want to change the system I DO bitch on DXP about it because the more people that are aware and question, the better. Question. Discuss. Educate. Question.

Don't you find it interesting that as neighboring countries our history books are different? Don't you find it interesting that the rest of the world doesn't share the American view of history? I do.

It seems Prime that you think people questioning American policy are insulting Americans. We aren't. We very worried about your future and ours. We see the link between the two.

HP said "Many people are dissatisfied with the President, but you know what's great? We are allowed to publicly show our dismiss because we have this freedom to say or do things to show opposition and we do and say the things we do without that fear of being killed for exercising our rights."

The fear is Americans have already given up that power when the Homeland Security Act was past.

Anyhow, I really don't care if you agree or disagree. I do believe as citizens of the world we should question, educate ourselves, and question again.

Dear Primegen,

??the US did a LOT for that effort.?
- I fully agree with this.

?The only reason you enjoy a nice standard of living is because we bailed your ass out??
- Unfortunately I can not agree with this. But not because you're wrong or you're not wrong but because of the wording. I doubt you were there at the time and you cannot claim credit. Sorry but no.

?If you don't like it, don't read it or is that so hard for you to do that you have to go into a personal attack mode with Little Sparrow to feel good about yourself.?
- Yes Primegen, we're really dangerous together? Mind you, you started the personal attack. My issue (and LS responded to that) is not against the individual (you), but against the US as a nation. Can I suggest you reread some of your earlier messages to me to refresh your memory of your own personal charm?

?BTW, the only people who have shown they are better are the two Bulgarians on this thread, the rest, including myself are all in the same pot, so insult away, it's what you do after all because you are no better than I. Thanks for proving it guys.?
- This is true. It's the first time and it's because you were talking nonsense which unbalances any Libra at the best of times. Only in your last to last message to me were you trying to be more moderate.
- You keep bringing Bulgaria up at every opportunity. I work with colleagues from Eastern Europe on a daily basis. I admire their work ethics, friendliness and stamina. And this includes my Russian colleagues, too. So I will never oppose you in whatever you write about Bulgaria.

You were happy to generalise to your audience and as a result hurt your audience, yet not well receiving of any addressed to you.

Yeah. 'Cause I am in personal attack mode. lol!

I have yet to say all Americans are stupid. I do not believe that. I am sorry that you took my words to mean that.

I do, however, believe media sources such as Fox "News" willfully misinform the public.

You are rallying online. I am doing it through a different medium.

I know that you've only been positive about Bulgaria and its inhabitants. I have not attacked them either which is why I keep asking you to drop the issue.

I've not read LS's post because it's addressed to you and LS can hold her own. She is used to voicing her opinion. I voice mine a lot less but you leave me no choice.

As for unbalanced remarks from Libra_Man whom I don't know and who has never posted here before until very recently, he can write what he likes. I apologised for what he said in the gentlest way possible (which you may not have picked up), because I did not like it. I also did not like what Zlatina wrote. And I said so.

"Might you be reminded Libra Man, the Netherlands has the highest murder rate by hitmen in all of Europe, even more than Russia (assuming they are considered part of Europe). You own country also is the home of radical Muslims who kill people they don't agree with, even stalking their children to try and murder them too....The only reason you enjoy a nice standard of living is because we bailed your ass out, try to remember that's the only thing that separates Holland from the fate suffered Bulgaria. Although in 10 years when Islamic law takes over Holland, you won't be so chickeny then."

This is personal. Whether Primegen gets it or not. And when someone calls you on it then you should have the grace to leave it alone.

?If you can't see the direct connection to war being declared and the use of troops, then no amount of explanation is going to help you understand. You should demand your history be fired for not educating you well enough to understand such simple subjects.?

Again, very personal and extremely consciously put down on paper.

Someone calls you on something you write. You then attack with deliberately hurtful and condescending words pretty much from the start and subsequently you defend yourself through fair-play argumentum, probably assuming I will turn around and agree with you. You've got to tackle a Libra with more charm, right from the start.

I'm sorry, I can't give you want. Apart from that last word, of course.

Wow prime, I thought you were smarter than that. Doesn't MBA=genius?

LS is painfully correct that the majority of Americans are ignorant. How else would you explain the election of BushCo to not one but two terms of ineptitude?

The current US government will go down in the history books as one of the most corrupt in modern history. By defintion, the politicians of a democratic society are a direct reflection of the values of the majority of its people. Corporations and greed have ruined this country, and they have our government on the payroll. I would hate the US too if I didn't live here.

And I would move to Canada in a heartbeat if it wasn't so f*cking cold...

Our current government in "action"

Steep Price Paid by Those Who Blew Whistle on Iraq Fraud

What is the answer, O'Wise one?

I already gave you the answer...CORPORATIONS and their lobbyists haven't had any problems greasing the wheels to write their own legislation.

And Bush is the majority of the problem. Why do you think we invaded Iraq? Why did we allow no-bid contracts for the "reconstruction"? Why do you think our government has forgotten the separation of church and state?

Only an Idiocracy would allow itself to be ruled by idiots

I don't recall blaming you for Bush. And you're right, Bush isn't intelligent enough to comprehend that he is Cheney's puppet. But he is the face of the most corrupt government in US history and has been a major player. Ignorance is not a valid defense. It will take this country decades to recover from his two terms in office, if it ever does.

And coincidentally Cheney is Aquarius...is it common for Aquas to be blowhards who are overconfident in their intellectual prowess?

yep, bush is not the problem. the fact that men(or women) like him(corrupt, ignorant, intellectually challenged => dangerous!) are allowed to be in that position is.

i'm sorry to bring this up prime, but this shows that there is something seriously wrong with the majority of americans. you are curious about the world, interested in facts rather than fiction, you question things, are well educated and well informed, you use international sources to get info from and asses carefully before you form your opinion. well, sorry to say that prime but that's not your average u.s.american. it's not your average bulgarian either 😉 actually, i believe(not based on facts but on personal experience) that you belong to a minority and can't say americans are well educated and well informed people just because you are. the american nation is not different than any other nation in the world, you have intelligent people and ignorant people, unfortunately a lot more ignorant than open-minded people 😢 the point is though that it's a lot more dangerous for a nation like the u.s., china or russia to be easily manipulated than it is with let's say bulgaria, because those countries have huge power and influence in the world. even if there were not a single intelligent bulgarian, that wouldn't affect the world, because it's only a small, rather beautiful but still economically, politically and militarily insignificant country, but hundreds of millions of ignorant u.s.americans, chinese or russians that can be easily manipulated is a serious issue.

lol... Bush and Nixon won 2 terms at office. That alone is sufficient proof that if not all, majority of Americans really need to get a grip on their commonsense.

Clinton won two terms as well and his reputation didn't help the Democratic party or the people of the US he represented and presided over. He was impeached for the US House of Representatives, but the US Senators aquitted the impeachment. It happened and this too will forever be part of the history books - just like Bush's successes and failures will be part of the books.

Every politician, anywhere in the world, has had some scandal or dissatisfactory approval rating.

We can all sit here and argue about who's right and who's wrong or debate over who did better research to rebut these statements, but when it comes down the bottom line, we all live in a world that has been drastically changed due to many elements and not just the US or the presidents here.

*was impeached BY the US House*

Thanks Cookie

If anyone wants information on the lack of information in America I HIGHLY recommend the book Bad News: The Decline of Reporting, the Business of News, and the Danger to Us All by Tom Fenton. Anyone credible who has worked in the media, knows the truth of this.

If you are interested in understanding American Foreign Policy and how it is viewed by the rest of the world, Noam Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival?: America's Quest for Global Dominance is a great one.

Congessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the US Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions by John Perkins is another great book. In fact, here is an interview with John Perkins.

Whilst Clinton may have gone through a completely self-inflicted hell, it's not done the US a lot of foreign damage, if you catch my drift. Clinton survived the impeachment and is seen today as one of the greatest leaders of modern politics. I agree, lying/denying never works but it's hardly affected the way OTHER countries perceive the US as a whole. What's happening at the moment is far more damaging.

I don't know how Americans themselves view Clinton but outside of the US they're quite capable of thinking 'that was not very clever but I can isolate the denial ("I did not have...") from the rest of Clinton's leadership.'

It would be my wish that the people of the US could see what their country causes around the world, the seeds it sows - on own soil (fear) and abroad (hatred)!! And that other parts of the world are retaliating because of that. The country creates such a dislike of itself and gives its own inhabitants so little ? and all in the name of what?

Morning Sparrow...

The part that I'm not appreciative Libra is your grouping of all Americans. We live in this country, but that does not mean that we 100% support or agree with what our politicians and leaders are doing. Yes, there is corrupt in our government just as there is corrupt in any nation's government. I have not bashed or beligerently spoke badly about any country because no nation is perfect, including the US. None of us are entitled to condemn or judge because each of our nations has some or a lot of things to be regretful for.

If the rest of the world hates Americans simply because we live here, that itself is a sign of ignorance and close-mindedness. We are represented by our leaders in other nations, but the general population here is a very compassionate, giving, and "aware" group. When I travel overseas, I've never ran into a hateful local when I needed help with translating or directions. It would be MY wish that intelligent, compassionate, and "aware" people from other nations would realize that I have very little control over my government just as they have very little control of theirs.

But that's the whole point, HP.

Clinton was an intelligent and internationally respected president even though he frequently let little Bill do his thinking. It's amusing how many of the "family values" republicans who persecuted him have since been exposed as hypocrites.

Ooops. I posted twice.

* the fact that men(or women) like him(corrupt, ignorant, intellectually challenged => dangerous!) are allowed to be in that position is.

Unfortunetly, you can't get into power unless you have serious cash backing you and hence the root of the problem.

* the point is though that it's a lot more dangerous for a nation like the u.s., china or russia to be easily manipulated than it is with let's say bulgaria, because those countries have huge power and influence in the world. even if there were not a single intelligent bulgarian, that wouldn't affect the world, because it's only a small, rather beautiful but still economically, politically and militarily insignificant country, but hundreds of millions of ignorant u.s.americans, chinese or russians that can be easily manipulated is a serious issue.

Thank you Lizard. I am sure you will now be accussed of hating all Americans and calling them stupid, which is not what you are doing. I agree that Prime is an exception.

Even when the government comes forward and says ... yeah ... we lied to you about this ... it quickly gets forgotten in the excitement of Paris Hilton's latest escapade. Is it the media's fault? They are only giving the people what they want. They are a business after all. Is it the governements fault? They eventually came clean.

I don't propose to know but if we all don't smarten up and start paying attention to what is going on, we're in big, big trouble.

hmmm

Primegen, do you ever rest?

It's dead obvious. How many coffees a day are you on?

How Aqua are you?

Which is what I am saying.

Even when he agrees, he argues.

Who's that pointed at?

I am not deciding anything. Merely admiring it...

* the point is though that it's a lot more dangerous for a nation like the u.s., china or russia to be easily manipulated than it is with let's say bulgaria, because those countries have huge power and influence in the world. even if there were not a single intelligent bulgarian, that wouldn't affect the world, because it's only a small, rather beautiful but still economically, politically and militarily insignificant country, but hundreds of millions of ignorant u.s.americans, chinese or russians that can be easily manipulated is a serious issue.

Because Canada isn't a powerhouse nation. Like Bulgaria, we are of very little significance economically and militarily.

And I highly recommend the books I mentioned.

As far as I know, Canada doesn't independently go into countries and overturn their governments to suit their own interests. We are more a pawn of British and American interests, trying to play one off the other because we are not a powerful nation.

* He sold our ports, opened up trade with China in a way that rewarded the outsourcing of jobs and our manufacturing base which created the extremely huge trade deficit we have today.

It doesn't matter who is in power. The corporations and the banking cartels are in charge. Because of centralized banking you will never ever be out of debt.

* You can start by ensuring your home grown companies actually look out for the safety of the consumers instead of the shareholders, like MenuFoods.

This is an interesting point. I need to think on this.

Unless it became the interest of the major shareholders, it won't happen. Mass demonstrations and boycotts but for them to work they have to be enmasse. Hence the problem.

It is an interesting point Prime. I will think more on it.

Clinton was far far better compared to George W(anker) Bush. Greed for power and control has never made anything better for human beings in the history of mankind.

The issue is that even though Americans talk a lot of liberty, equality and stuffs like that, it doesn't exists inside American society on a deeper level. America has a lot of great things scattered around but that seems to be falling apart and all I can see is a bunch of socially retarded ignorant fools which form the future generation. Either most of them dont read newspapers other than the sports column or the media in America is fckdup big time and dont provide news from the outer world. I can only guess. I dont think I really want to type everything. Probably the best thing to do will be to catch George Carlin's shows from Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=george+carlin&search=Search

This can be the outline

Hypocritical that you're telling us to watch a comedian's (a form of media and entertainment) show to prove your point.


"Either most of them dont read newspapers other than the sports column or the media in America is fckdup big time and dont provide news from the outer world."

Central banks are not in the US alone, the current system was designed by a Brit for the most part.

I know. That is why I listed all those quotes. The American War of Independence was about centralized banking and the moment centralized banking was introduced the American dream died.

Prime I DO understand that this is everywhere. Unfortunately, America is the prime target because they use the military to back up the corporate and banking agendas, many of which are American owned.

* when a small country runs into trouble like in Peru, they are forced by banks to privatize industries like water treatment plants, banks run with no accountability to I an American.

I absolutely agree with you.

* and the smaller the country, the easier to control.

Easier to control by who?

"* and the smaller the country, the easier to control.

Easier to control by who?"


LS, I believe he is referring to whichever "power house" wants to take reign over or influence that smaller country.

In the end it doesn't matter Prime. With the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership of N. America) Canada is completely fucked. People are mad at the government but personally, I think their hands are tied. You could see this coming for awhile.

Long live the North American Union. 😢

or perhaps

Vive la revolution!

"People are mad at the government but personally, I think their hands are tied. You could see this coming for awhile."

Same for most of the American population. 😢

***Same for most of the American population***

Then why does everyone vote— Stop voting and embarrassing yourself. Even if you vote of not, it will be always a power hungry lunatic who will sit at the presidents chair. And he will do everything in his authority to make the American businessmen happy. When the weapon manufacturers start complaining, President declares a war and send a lot of innocents to death so that these businessmen will be happy. Food companies keep adding lots of harmful substances so that health clubs and doctors can survive. And the story goes on...Stop doing whatever media and govt and neighbors ask you to do. Its a rigged game.

lol... am not a Singaporean...

and I dont care a bit about what happens in singapore as long as they dont wage war like US. In Singapore, rich gets fckd and govt demands a share in their business and ordinary people dont have any problems other than absence of freedom of speech. which is quite good imho. You give them freedom of speech, they will talk only rubbish which generally dont do any good to majority.

Democracy is a primitive form of govt. It used to be good.. not anymore.

tats quite possible... Bcoz solution to all the problems lies far far behind in the root... I prefer to stay there and amend the bottom level than changing economic policies or president.