What is your opinion? (The Quantum Force) (Page 9)

Posted by tiziani

Posted by Mr. Defense
Ok I give up. Libra women I need help. Please!

Probably best to make a thread about it or email SweetLibra since I'm not sure there are actually any Libra women left in this thread!

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911 and 08, Libran Ladies.

Posted by everevolvingepithet

Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by everevolvingepithet
-Another one with affaits, oh my!

Affairs or Affaits?

Affairs, is affaits even a word? :-?

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Yes, apparently so.

Who has affairs?

Posted by TheLadyScorpio

Posted by CuriousLuv1
Also I just want to say that I do miss SweetLibra, Leeeebra, Sexy LCS, as well as LeoLiza. They had a presence here as we all do. So just want to shout them out tonight.

Hello CL 🙂
Yes we miss you and we miss them just as well. xoxo

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Thanks for the love. Good Day Leebs and Non Leebs. By the way where is L08? I haven't seen her in a minute around her. She didn't delete right?

There are times when individuals must learn to be adults and agree to disagree, nobody can except anyone else outside of themselves to fully agree with every point one makes. It is to us, to learn that, the world exists with opinions, some you may like, some you may not, what one needs to know, is how to live with it, to move on, or make an impact, to absorb their lessons or change them as they are.

A choice...or some people have too much time on their hands an troll for the sake of trolling itself.

The internet is a black hole abyss of information, that has no filter. It can be used as a weapon of destruction or a creator of regeneration.

All in all, it is another tool for us to communicate, with a wider audience, human interaction, to project ourselves, outwards to others, or drawing them in to an extent. However, the entirety of human interaction, consists of many layers, far too many nuances than what exists in mere text and words (even though they hold much value and worth), it is not everything, it can never substitute nor provide the entire scope of the painting at hand.

Take a look at all the major events which occurred in real life, they all used the internet as a catalyst, a tool, a means to an end, to achieve a greater goal. It was not THE change nor THE revolution, the people in real life whom took upon actions did so, they manifested the sharing of minds, of words, of thoughts into true happenings, reality.

Then yes, I agree with rocky - Get out.

The internet provides many wonderful things, truly but not the final product, it provides the link but not the object itself, we need to go out, provide and nourish our reality, do, take action before we can say our real lives are worthwhile.

Posted by tiziani
Yep, well actually it wasn't my friends' advice but my own advice. That I just haven't been taking. A "knowing asshole" if you will 🙂


Where my friends were helpful is one of them had just flown in from Zimbabwe and he related his experience out there saying that once he took the step to meeting in person, it didn't seem like that big a deal and he got more comfortable with doing so.

Which I already know, since I do meet people in person but just haven't been doing enough of it. And there's no real reason or excuse that needs to be explained or elaborated upon within that. Simply a case of pushing myself more.

That seems to be the re-occuring theme is it not? You not pushing yourself enough.

Posted by tiziani
Yep, well actually it wasn't my friends' advice but my own advice. That I just haven't been taking. A "knowing asshole" if you will 🙂


Where my friends were helpful is one of them had just flown in from Zimbabwe and he related his experience out there saying that once he took the step to meeting in person, it didn't seem like that big a deal and he got more comfortable with doing so.

Which I already know, since I do meet people in person but just haven't been doing enough of it. And there's no real reason or excuse that needs to be explained or elaborated upon within that. Simply a case of pushing myself more.

It's about getting out of your comfort zone. I am working on it myself. Have you ever read the book "How to win friends and influence people"? May be something to get you jump started.

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Posted by feby16aqua
You can't turn character on and off...

Exactly.

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True, only to a certain extent, one can manipulate it though.

Posted by tiziani
The Lady Scorpio manipulates her character on here all the time and she is a true character to me. I don't see the difference.

Did you go on a spiritual journey and grew a third eye or has Ra gifted you something new? *laughs*

Posted by feby16aqua
Manipulate, to me, is about control. Most often there is a negative connotation associated with it, especially when it comes to character.

Well then the question goes, is censorship- control?

If one sees censorship as control, then manipulation is control just as well.

Why do you place a negative connotation to one and not the other, what causes you to do so?

Hmm seraph, your post brings to mind different personal thresholds in terms of calculated risks.

Posted by Grey
i don't like skilled manipulators or bad manipulators. A fixed sign tries best to be consistent and true to who they are. even if you are good at manipulation it only goes on for a short time and then you suffer. you only manipulate yourself into new ways of suffering. it make good entertainment but karma will eventually hurt you.

Manipulation in regards to outwards or inwards?

The most skilled manipulators, never lose themselves nor their true character, that is not the concept in which it revolves around. What you speak of is the maliciously intent filled skilled manipulator with a program to purposely inflict pain and hurt to others.

There is a great big difference.

It is interesting how this thread has taken a turn, that manipulation, no matter how one looks at it must carry a negative connotation to most. That it MUST be malicious, it must be evil, it must be intent filled and it must contain a program. Hmm, intriguing.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
If one sees censorship as control, then manipulation is control just as well.

Why do you place a negative connotation to one and not the other, what causes you to do so?

What causes the world to do so? It's all in the eye of the beholder. Plus, the dictionary tells me so 😛

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Come on, be original like the Aquarian woman that you are. Burn the dictionary I dare say 😛

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
If one sees censorship as control, then manipulation is control just as well.

Why do you place a negative connotation to one and not the other, what causes you to do so?

I don't place a positive connotation to censorship, I view it neutrally. Sometimes it's necessary-there's a reason that certain channels(like Nickelodeon, Disney etc) are censored. Certain stuff can screw with a child's brain. It's *supposedly* for the good of the child.

Manipulation, is controlling somebody for another person's personal gain. Though some claim to controlling people for the well being of their victim.

It doesn't always have to be a crime or about victims. For one, we had a conversation in here before about salesmanship, agency and even psychiatric practice - all careers that are based on manipulation and management of people and there's no victimization in that process. Actually it was feb that was saying she uses it to sell to her clients at her place of work.

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Yes, which inadvertently leads me back to the discussion/debate about marketing using manipulation.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
It is interesting how this thread has taken a turn, that manipulation, no matter how one looks at it must carry a negative connotation to most. That it MUST be malicious, it must be evil, it must be intent filled and it must contain a program. Hmm, intriguing.

Manipulation of character was the original premise though...

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Yes, but as presented above it is about intent. You brought the suggestion that manipulation some how carried a negative connotation to you, hence I carried that thought forwards. If there is no program to hurt or harm or inflict pain on others, then the intent behind it, is not bad/evil/negative. Which leads us back to manipulation of character, if the intent is not of one set out to cause destruction, then how is manipulation bad?

Posted by feby16aqua
LadyScorp sweeps through and brings us all back to safety —

🙂

I try my best to, healthy debates are good for the mind.

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i don't like skilled manipulators or bad manipulators. A fixed sign tries best to be consistent and true to who they are. even if you are good at manipulation it only goes on for a short time and then you suffer. you only manipulate yourself into new ways of suffering. it make good entertainment but karma will eventually hurt you.

Manipulation in regards to outwards or inwards?

The most skilled manipulators, never lose themselves nor their true character, that is not the concept in which it revolves around. What you speak of is the maliciously intent filled skilled manipulator with a program to purposely inflict pain and hurt to others.

There is a great big difference.

what are you manipulating? why would a person want to manipulate in the first place?

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Did I say I was manipulating?

It was merely a topic being presented and others commenting on their opinion that I am manipulating.

Therefore you are asking the wrong person 🙂

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It is interesting how this thread has taken a turn, that manipulation, no matter how one looks at it must carry a negative connotation to most. That it MUST be malicious, it must be evil, it must be intent filled and it must contain a program. Hmm, intriguing.

Manipulation of character was the original premise though...

Yes, but as presented above it is about intent. You brought the suggestion that manipulation some how carried a negative connotation to you, hence I carried that thought forwards. If there is no program to hurt or harm or inflict pain on others, then the intent behind it, is not bad/evil/negative. Which leads us back to manipulation of character, if the intent is not of one set out to cause destruction, then how is manipulation bad?

good intent does not normally require or use manipulation.

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That is ludicrous, putting subjects into neatly labelled boxes, you will have to excuse me there but in no way could I think that way, there are things in which I see as black and white but there are certain areas that exist in fluidity, shades of grey.

Which is ironic considering your name is just that, Grey 😄

We could go back to the same/similar discussion last time, it would reap the same result, we clearly have differing opinions and I could respect that. You can even say you won this debate and I backed off, which ever strokes your Lion ego is fine with me. Go shine on.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio
It is interesting how this thread has taken a turn, that manipulation, no matter how one looks at it must carry a negative connotation to most. That it MUST be malicious, it must be evil, it must be intent filled and it must contain a program. Hmm, intriguing.

No one has said "must."

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True, but the consistent bashing of manipulation and negativity does lead that way, even if not towards the end destination.

Posted by Jahlia
@Tiz I only used victim because I couldn't think of the word I was looking for. However you're right-certain forms of manipulation are far more accepted than others.

@Theladyscorpio

I don't think of manipulation as a negative thing-I feel like I should. I don't, lol, Sharpe's right again. However when people are attempting to manipulate me in any way shape or form I automatically rebel.

What if people were to manipulate your environment, that will affect how you process and perceive information, experiences, and emotions. Would you rebel?

Posted by tiziani
There's one area where the Fixed sign approach doesn't hold up and that's consistency. If you can name me anyone of us that is consistent within our entire lifetime or even on here then sure, but you can't. It's not embedded into someone. People make mistakes, wrong judgement calls as a means to grow. There's no consistency in that and that doesn't mean the person is lacking in character either.

This I agree to, even the most fixed signs of signs are fluid. We can not be one thing entirely, we are growing, changing, developing on our journey in life, this does not mean we are malicious, or false, any of all that jazz. Even our views and opinions may change over time as we go through various experiences, absorbing new knowledge and meeting new individuals. At worst, an event could shake us to the core, to the extent where we may be triggered upon changing our fundamental foundations in favour of another to better ourselves.

This ability to adapt is survival.

Posted by feby16aqua
That sounds like some heavy behind the scenes drama. I don't have time for that. That, to me, is when I'm too involved in dxp.

Absolutely, if it spirals out of control it is utter drama and a headache but I speak on a greater context outside of dxp.

grey - Oh, of course I have an ego which I am putting aside to say I agree to disagree, instead of butting my head in and beating the already dead horse. You see, I let my ego go, to say we are adults, you have your opinion and I have mine, let us respect that and move on.

Have a sense of humour will you, that was a tongue-in-cheek jab as I jab our kind just as well, in regards to our emotional tendencies and how we need a tampon to bung it all up. Hah, I would be the first one to be sarcastic about my species, don't you worry about that *laughs*

As for all the other comments you make, I never said anything in regards to my mystery or sexiness or refinement, that is what you perceive and what others have made comments on be about. I never go about expressing myself so but thank you for the kind compliments, even if indirect 🙂

seraph - Persuasion and Manipulation, I know this concept and agree.

However, most individuals will throw both terms under the bus, when you say one they will say the other and so forth, at worst accuse you of the other. Therefore let it be, if it must all be categorized as manipulation, so be it 🙂

Posted by Grey
in future debates please clarify any statements and especially if you are suing words. people keep overlooking the importance of meaning and how one word can change what two people are reading.

i notice a lot of stupid misunderstanding happen and we have 3 threads over a stupid meaning which was not clarified.

words are deceptive and language is truly a weapon of skillful manipulation 🙂 people may think it is odd but you will be surprised.

It could be, yes, I agree to that, as to individuals finding it odd, they may have missed the bandwagon.

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Posted by TheLadyScorpio


It could be, yes, I agree to that, as to individuals finding it odd, they may have missed the bandwagon.

The people who find it odd are already aware that this exists though. They've already thought it through to their own extent, so best not underestimate their understanding lol.

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Hmm, that was not an underestimation dear Feby, more of a matter of fact to me, but it could be a point of view to another. *shrugs*

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It could be, yes, I agree to that, as to individuals finding it odd, they may have missed the bandwagon.

The people who find it odd are already aware that this exists though. They've already thought it through to their own extent, so best not underestimate their understanding lol.

Hmm, that was not an underestimation dear Feby, more of a matter of fact to me, but it could be a point of view to another. *shrugs*

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The matter of fact is in regards to the statement in bold when I had quoted Grey 🙂

Posted by Grey
guys anytime we have misunderstanding we simply go to mr defense for a clear solution. virgos are devoid of emotions and they give the most objective advice.


simple solution in a complex dxp...

Jesus Christ, Virgos are not devoid of emotions, they are more logical intelligently inclined, that is all.

Take a look at Mr.D's thread on the Virgo board, even he speaks of the struggle with too much self-control, so please do not mistake the two and label them as devoid of emotions but then again you could be tongue-in-cheek here 😄

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guys anytime we have misunderstanding we simply go to mr defense for a clear solution. virgos are devoid of emotions and they give the most objective advice.


simple solution in a complex dxp...

Jesus Christ, Virgos are not devoid of emotions, they are more logical intelligently inclined, that is all.

Take a look at Mr.D's thread on the Virgo board, even he speaks of the struggle with too much self-control, so please do not mistake the two and label them as devoid of emotions but then again you could be tongue-in-cheek here 😄

my lady i was joking.......

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Hence my last comment in the post *wipes brow*, glad I got that in there too, saves the day.

Feby - Now I know what to use against a Leo, thank you for bringing it up. Simply bring a tranquilizer and an electric razor 😄

Posted by Grey
virgos are so cool. best sign. no joke. i call them gangsters of logic.

Their stoic logic fascinates but to know under this lies a large body of emotions is even more intriguing. Although, if one must be general, how would you compare their style of logic as compared to the Aquarian and Cap?

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Feby - Now I know what to use against a Leo, thank you for bringing it up. Simply bring a tranquilizer and an electric razor 😄

if a leo male smiles at you then all hope is lost......

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You have not smiled yet, I must be safe.

Posted by Grey
well vedic say virgo mercury is exalted. cap and aqua logic is "tainted" and impregnated with pollution from ideals and tradition.


virgo is pure logic in motion. it is the pure and true virgin logic. it brings tears to my eyes really

such beauty can't be described in words. logic that is tied to reality and unfiltered by nonsense. sort the wheat baby.

Interesting way of looking at it, to an extent true. One does admire a Virgoan logic and at times combined with intelligence but I do feel for their stress though, nerve-racking anxiety, a burden of control and doubt.

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Posted by Grey
virgos are so cool. best sign. no joke. i call them gangsters of logic.

Their stoic logic fascinates but to know under this lies a large body of emotions is even more intriguing. Although, if one must be general, how would you compare their style of logic as compared to the Aquarian and Cap?

Caps tend to personalize situations too much, even if they are logical. Aquas are too idealistic in their logic, and don't take into account practical variables enough. Virgos have the right amount of detached but practical logic

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Yes, I would agree to that and a trait I very much admire.

Posted by Grey
i trust you to figure out who your soulmate is by what i have stated above tls.


hermes was the only one who could visit hades............


hmmm come now lady....

Mercury exalted in Virgo, Hermes being the messenger of the Gods, both exalted in communication (logic included)...

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Posted by Grey
an aries and virgo are true soulmates. innoncence and purity. poor aries has all this energy but is confused how to apply it. virgo has all this logic but sometimes lacks confidence and over analyzes without using gut in appropiat moments like aries.


when aries and virgo join? intelligent and productive activity is the result. a great romance really..

Aries and Virgos is a workable couple, but it's not one of Virgos better matches. I honestly don't think Virgos have a lot of good matches. It's a very hard sign to pair up, our personality doesn't work with a lot of people's.

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Out of curiousity, what combinations with other signs have you had experience with thus far?

Posted by Grey


so in chinese zodaic it is said that horse and goat are soulmates and that rat and ox are soulmates.

so goat is the enemy of the ox and horse is it's soulmate. same with rat against the goat.

perhaps misunderstanding happen because of this?

always ready to annoy you guys with chinese astrology.

grey

How is that in relation to Virgo, Cap and Aquarians? et my soulmate?...

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Posted by Grey


so in chinese zodaic it is said that horse and goat are soulmates and that rat and ox are soulmates.

so goat is the enemy of the ox and horse is it's soulmate. same with rat against the goat.

perhaps misunderstanding happen because of this?

always ready to annoy you guys with chinese astrology.

grey

I'm a goat, and the Taurus girl was a horse. Interesting.

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She must have been either older than you or much younger than you.

/noideawhyIspewedoutthatcomment

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Posted by Grey
i trust you to figure out who your soulmate is by what i have stated above tls.


hermes was the only one who could visit hades............


hmmm come now lady....

Mercury exalted in Virgo, Hermes being the messenger of the Gods, both exalted in communication (logic included)...

nay lady. it is gemini. hermes is the ruler of mercury but virgo has been alloted for sex with aries.


why gemini? depth vs shallow/light heartedness.

you see the mercury/mars connection for soulmate theory of mine?

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Yes, Gemini first came to mind in association with Hermes as well, since it is shared with Virgo, the planet of Mercury that is, but once I embarked on deeper thought, Gemini...

Hell no.

Posted by tiziani
oh your soulmate is a Hero?

You had to throw that in there, boy, am I glad he is not around to catch your comment.

Posted by tiziani
Is she a goat?

Who?

Posted by everevolvingepithet
That was very eloquently put, Grey!

*laughs uproariously*

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Posted by tiziani
Is she a goat?

no no. goat is the soulmate of the horse. you are the soulmate of the rat. so i was saying...can you see how enmity may form indirectly between an ox and horse. think about it. if ox loves rat but rat is enemy of horse? obviously the personality tensions will exsist even though you are not directly opposite to horse. your buddy rat may find faults witha goat to which feby may come to the defense of and attack your buddy rat which force you to counter.

I understand. Just another day at the DXP.

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*stifles a laugh, cannot possibly hold it in, tears form*

Hahaha

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Posted by tiziani
oh your soulmate is a Hero?

You had to throw that in there, boy, am I glad he is not around to catch your comment.

a hero amongst men 😉

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Ay, he wishes 😉

Mr.D - That would make the Taurus, hmm 23 years old, if you say younger and you say she has a child, is she the same individual?

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Posted by tiziani
Is she a goat?

no no. goat is the soulmate of the horse. you are the soulmate of the rat. so i was saying...can you see how enmity may form indirectly between an ox and horse. think about it. if ox loves rat but rat is enemy of horse? obviously the personality tensions will exsist even though you are not directly opposite to horse. your buddy rat may find faults witha goat to which feby may come to the defense of and attack your buddy rat which force you to counter.

I understand. Just another day at the DXP.

Why don't you FUCK OFF. Why are you talking about me?

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Feby, I think he was being humorous about Grey's delivery there 😢

Posted by Grey
oh tls is a tiger. no wonder......

ah tls i feel bad for you. your enemy is the most intelligent among all the animals. i think it is time for a calculus exam....

*evil smirk*

Que?

Sir Bling, threw that comment in because I laugh uproariously 😉 You must have missed out on his quirky humour.