Posted by brianafayHas that stuff gotten any better?
I was asking myself the same about my Aqua sister
She's not a narcissist per se, just very self absorbed
She thinks she's an empath and that makes me laugh
Posted by justagirlPosted by brianafayHas that stuff gotten any better?
I was asking myself the same about my Aqua sister
She's not a narcissist per se, just very self absorbed
She thinks she's an empath and that makes me laugh
Sadly many Aquas can't see their own faults and like to point shit at other people, I do this myself sometimes and don't see it until after the fact but I'm getting better at noticing it sooner rather than later and it definitely does not happen as much in my life compared to when I was younger.. lol Aquas very much live in their own heads/ own worlds.
So glad I have my Saggie bits to help, I'm just a blunt bitch instead lolclick to expand
Posted by brianafayPosted by justagirlPosted by brianafayHas that stuff gotten any better?
I was asking myself the same about my Aqua sister
She's not a narcissist per se, just very self absorbed
She thinks she's an empath and that makes me laugh
Sadly many Aquas can't see their own faults and like to point shit at other people, I do this myself sometimes and don't see it until after the fact but I'm getting better at noticing it sooner rather than later and it definitely does not happen as much in my life compared to when I was younger.. lol Aquas very much live in their own heads/ own worlds.
So glad I have my Saggie bits to help, I'm just a blunt bitch instead lol
We still haven't spoken but she's been acting like she still plans on being in the wedding to my mom
My mom told her she needs to come and be happy and she said she would as long as "happy Bri" is there and not "mean Bri"
Her perception is apparently that this is my fault and I was mean to her 🙄I'm like yeah ok, whatever dude, just stay away from me lol I'm too old for this shit
I'm letting it go. It's simply not about her and won't be about her - the end. Come and be happy - or don't - cause I'm fresh outta fucks to give 🤷🏼♀️
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Posted by NarcissusToo emo.
I manage to put on a "fine" appearance with many that I meet , often unaware that I come off as nice I guess. In reality I'm only really being like this for a ego boost ready to manipulate anyone onto my darker side . This has worked on many occasions even as a child having people and sometimes teachers on my side . In the end of the day I'm just a paradox of my own being , at least to myself .
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I manage to put on a "fine" appearance with many that I meet , often unaware that I come off as nice I guess. In reality I'm only really being like this for a ego boost ready to manipulate anyone onto my darker side . This has worked on many occasions even as a child having people and sometimes teachers on my side . In the end of the day I'm just a paradox of my own being , at least to myself .
Posted by tizianiThat’s true, I think there can be situations where you take on someone else’s pain as if it’s your own and it makes you hurt.Posted by HippieGemWhen someone takes everything personally, that would seem like it'd be overwhelming all the same though
Definitely not. I don’t think I’m an empath, but I feel a lot of empathy for others. And true empaths are so overwhelmed by the emotions others are feeling around them. Narcissists don’t get overwhelmed by others feelings at all.
Everything someone does in there life isn’t even about that other person, be it a sibling, S/O, child. They view the people they love as an extension of themselves. It’s all about them.
For example, a woman gets talked badly by an ex to a man about his wife. Man gets upset by what he says. Goes home and rather than being upset someone would speak badly of his wife, feels sorry for himself and embarrassed the ex made him feel uncomfortable. Blames his wife for putting him in said position.
Making it all about himself even though it has nothing to do with him. That is narcissism.
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Posted by tizianiAs in a woman talking to her guy’s ex and they’re both talking badly about him? If that’s what you mean, I just find that so wrong. Those relationships are doomed to fail.Posted by HippieGemThat's definitely closer to narcissism in that case, to me that kind of hurt comes from just being self-involved or self-absorbed... so basically narcy, yeah.Posted by tizianiThat’s true, I think there can be situations where you take on someone else’s pain as if it’s your own and it makes you hurt.Posted by HippieGemWhen someone takes everything personally, that would seem like it'd be overwhelming all the same though
Definitely not. I don’t think I’m an empath, but I feel a lot of empathy for others. And true empaths are so overwhelmed by the emotions others are feeling around them. Narcissists don’t get overwhelmed by others feelings at all.
Everything someone does in there life isn’t even about that other person, be it a sibling, S/O, child. They view the people they love as an extension of themselves. It’s all about them.
For example, a woman gets talked badly by an ex to a man about his wife. Man gets upset by what he says. Goes home and rather than being upset someone would speak badly of his wife, feels sorry for himself and embarrassed the ex made him feel uncomfortable. Blames his wife for putting him in said position.
Making it all about himself even though it has nothing to do with him. That is narcissism.
But in that example, the guy acts like the victim even though nothing bad was said about him. Doesn’t stand up for his wife. He then looks to the wife for reassurance (also blaming her) and feels sorry for himself for having to be subjected to a bad conversation about her.
Do you think it’s empathy or narsiccism, or being empathetic and maybe overly dramatic?
But that kind of thing happens a lot. If it's extreme narcissism then it's weirdly tolerated and accepted at common social behaviour imo. I don't think many people would bat an eyelid at that as much as we'd like to believe in the moment. It sounds bad when it's written out on a screen, but when played out in person I've seen people just act like it's something that happens.
And then there are cases where the woman (or even man if his ex gf was talking him down) has been talking with the ex, and invited that kind of interference into the relationship. In which case their partner is going to feel deceived that they exposed their relationship together to that kind of outside comment in the first place.click to expand
Posted by tizianiAh, but why do you think she did that? She tells you she doesn’t like you talking about her at all and your personal relationship together. And doesn’t stand by what she says and does exactly that.Posted by HippieGemIt is narcy! I can see how it's a headache to put up with that.Posted by tizianiAs in a woman talking to her guy’s ex and they’re both talking badly about him? If that’s what you mean, I just find that so wrong. Those relationships are doomed to fail.Posted by HippieGemThat's definitely closer to narcissism in that case, to me that kind of hurt comes from just being self-involved or self-absorbed... so basically narcy, yeah.Posted by tizianiThat’s true, I think there can be situations where you take on someone else’s pain as if it’s your own and it makes you hurt.Posted by HippieGemWhen someone takes everything personally, that would seem like it'd be overwhelming all the same though
Definitely not. I don’t think I’m an empath, but I feel a lot of empathy for others. And true empaths are so overwhelmed by the emotions others are feeling around them. Narcissists don’t get overwhelmed by others feelings at all.
Everything someone does in there life isn’t even about that other person, be it a sibling, S/O, child. They view the people they love as an extension of themselves. It’s all about them.
For example, a woman gets talked badly by an ex to a man about his wife. Man gets upset by what he says. Goes home and rather than being upset someone would speak badly of his wife, feels sorry for himself and embarrassed the ex made him feel uncomfortable. Blames his wife for putting him in said position.
Making it all about himself even though it has nothing to do with him. That is narcissism.
But in that example, the guy acts like the victim even though nothing bad was said about him. Doesn’t stand up for his wife. He then looks to the wife for reassurance (also blaming her) and feels sorry for himself for having to be subjected to a bad conversation about her.
Do you think it’s empathy or narsiccism, or being empathetic and maybe overly dramatic?
But that kind of thing happens a lot. If it's extreme narcissism then it's weirdly tolerated and accepted at common social behaviour imo. I don't think many people would bat an eyelid at that as much as we'd like to believe in the moment. It sounds bad when it's written out on a screen, but when played out in person I've seen people just act like it's something that happens.
And then there are cases where the woman (or even man if his ex gf was talking him down) has been talking with the ex, and invited that kind of interference into the relationship. In which case their partner is going to feel deceived that they exposed their relationship together to that kind of outside comment in the first place.
When a S/O and an ex start bad mouthing a guy together and bonding over it, there’s just a lot of manipulation going on, and the guy should run away from both of them. Or the woman if the situation were reversed.
Sadly though I see woman doing this more. Usually an ex who isn’t over a guy, pretends to be the current gf’s friend, and before you know it, they’re getting close and talking about things that shouldn’t even come up between the two of them.
And you’re right, with my example, that does happen a lot. It did happen with my ex so I was curious how others would perceive his behavior. It was pretty narcy.
I was on the other side of it with the other scenario.
She wasn't talking to an ex but she would lecture me about talking to people about our relationship and apparently "talking shit" about her when at most all I was doing was sharing my thoughts, not even particularly related to her or anything she'd done.
Then months later some guy approaches me and tells me she's been talking about us to him that time, really just to keep tabs on me at first and then after to vent. They both used each other. I told them both just to grow up. At first she tried to react as if I was meant to defend her against him, and him defend her against me. I just laughed that they both took themselves too seriously. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, yes it was manipulative but probably just out of insecurity. People can grow out of that as long as they calm down and just put their feet on the ground imo.
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Posted by tizianiOh ok. I understand more what happened. I can’t deny we all act without thinking sometimes. And the do as I say thing, everyone including me has acted that way. I just don’t like when people live there life by that code. That I can’t handle.Posted by HippieGemDid she even have a reason to do it, really? I think people just do stuff without really thinking, when they are in self-preservation mode. She was just out for herself and looking for reasons to cut me out because I guess she felt vulnerable that I would not do things her way.
Ah, but why do you think she did that? She tells you she doesn’t like you talking about her at all and your personal relationship together. And doesn’t stand by what she says and does exactly that.
Then you have some other guy approach you about how she tells him everything? Just to clarify, he said it was her venting or was it him?
I’m trying to understand why people act this way. I feel like she was possibly testing you, to see if you’d defend and protect her at all costs. Relationships shouldn’t even need that. The whole ‘do what I say not what I do’mentality bothers me so much.
Good for you for laughing at them both though and knowing right away they need to grow up. I’d do the same. Today anyways. In the past, not so much. Lessons learned.
He said she was venting about me but he made it sound much worse than it was and admittedly the only reason he was telling me was because he felt pissed at her.
as much as what she did was hypocritical, I felt I didn't like someone else trying to throw her under the bus just because he didn't get his way. It sucks that she trusted the wrong people yeah, but it sucks more for her not for me.
I just felt like she didn't deserve to get betrayed like that by him or anyone. I let her know the hypocrisy was laughable but I've done "do as I say not as I do" stuff myself. When I was younger I would have reacted like it was a crime but yeah as you get more experienced, you mellow out.
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Posted by tizianiYes exactly. You said it perfectly. We all learn that way, otherwise how would we ever learn anything to change our perspective and grow in the first place?Posted by HippieGemFor sure, I feel even the most well-intentioned advice is still creating distance. 5 mins of advice/venting here of there every now and then, ok no harm done because you're probably more or less just acting as a sounding board for what the other person has already decided to do anyway.Posted by tizianiOh ok. I understand more what happened. I can’t deny we all act without thinking sometimes. And the do as I say thing, everyone including me has acted that way. I just don’t like when people live there life by that code. That I can’t handle.Posted by HippieGemDid she even have a reason to do it, really? I think people just do stuff without really thinking, when they are in self-preservation mode. She was just out for herself and looking for reasons to cut me out because I guess she felt vulnerable that I would not do things her way.
Ah, but why do you think she did that? She tells you she doesn’t like you talking about her at all and your personal relationship together. And doesn’t stand by what she says and does exactly that.
Then you have some other guy approach you about how she tells him everything? Just to clarify, he said it was her venting or was it him?
I’m trying to understand why people act this way. I feel like she was possibly testing you, to see if you’d defend and protect her at all costs. Relationships shouldn’t even need that. The whole ‘do what I say not what I do’mentality bothers me so much.
Good for you for laughing at them both though and knowing right away they need to grow up. I’d do the same. Today anyways. In the past, not so much. Lessons learned.
He said she was venting about me but he made it sound much worse than it was and admittedly the only reason he was telling me was because he felt pissed at her.
as much as what she did was hypocritical, I felt I didn't like someone else trying to throw her under the bus just because he didn't get his way. It sucks that she trusted the wrong people yeah, but it sucks more for her not for me.
I just felt like she didn't deserve to get betrayed like that by him or anyone. I let her know the hypocrisy was laughable but I've done "do as I say not as I do" stuff myself. When I was younger I would have reacted like it was a crime but yeah as you get more experienced, you mellow out.
Definitely not saying she was like that. That’s just me thinking of my past and bringing it into the conversation.
See even right now, I think it’s pretty amazing you’re explaining her feelings and understanding them. So that guy meddled and, it just really sucks when people do that sometimes.
I’ve seen relationships go downhill so many times once they involve family and friends in there problems. Everyone has an opinion which they’re entitled to.
Some people can be supportive and try to give advice without being judgemental, but others can’t and it makes things even harder.
I don’t know if there’s any way to weed out the judgemental ones, lol. Just a part of life I guess.
But mostly you just have to keep things in-house. which ironically was what she was insisting on in the first place, so it just came full circle. I had to learn the long and stubborn way around lol
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Posted by tizianiPosted by intergalacticplanetaryPosted by tizianiPosted by intergalacticplanetaryPosted by DwellingOnMoveyou havent met any empath-narcissists because there are none. I think they are highly tuned into the subtleties of human behaviour and can sense the slightest changes in body language, tone and the overall emotional cues which most of us are unaware of, or at least don't realise we're giving off. It borders on psychic but I'm not gona tell OP that.
I agree with playing a role. That is the person is narcissist and prefers to play the role of empath for it brings them forward with some of their goals.
But generally phenomena are called by their names cause either you yourself observed them that way or the statistics are pointing at them. Anything other than that is just a suggestion or you are in the process to find out how to call it.
I haven't met empath-narcissist. There are two people in my life I'd suggest they are narcissist but I'm not sure. They are not empaths but they act when there's a situation when somebody is suffering.
I myself get overwhelmed with feelings of other people and at the same time with Stelium in the first house I try to see where is me and my life. That leads to living an Eremit life. There you have the co-existence of some contradictory stuff.
Also I think that narcissist may have a high intelligence and need new challenges so they'd be social persons and at the top of many projects. This is my understanding of them. Maybe I'm wrong.
You hit the nail on the head with narcissists playing the role of an empath to elicit more supply bit..and I think that's where me and mr @tiziani didn't finish our convo..😋😋😋
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... extreme sides of either narcissism or empathy. Only second hand stories of what it's like to live with a narc - the disorder version.
Whereas I think my experiences were more the mild, middle of the road variety.
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Posted by Senorita_LLYES.
Nope.
An empath is someone who feels a lot of empathy for others, it's totally different from sympathy. Empathy is when he/she is able to feel what the other person is feeling and not just feeling sorry about it. People's burden seems to become theirs.
A narcissist on the other hand, is someone who can never see there's anything wrong with them. If the only person that they will feel sorry for, will be their own self. They have this me, me, me kind of attitude, imo.
However, the empaths will normally attract the narcissists, because likewise, opposite attracts.
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One thing, I could never understand, how does one become a narcissist, while the other, an empath?
I agree, most likely it is the upbringing, but still, it is funny when sometimes, both of them did actually have the same childhood history, yet the way they process their thoughts, are so much different. Like the empath knew what's pain, and normally they won't hurt people like them.
Similarly, the narcissist has the same thing too, yet, they think, the only way to heal, is by hurting others.
If you want to meet the most compassionate person, look for the ex of a narcissist. It might not be all, but most of them just have this great empathy inside them. However, it will take years before they gonna heal totally.
It is sad to see someone who gave their all to another person, only to ends up broken. But, it is also amazing, despite them getting all the pain, their heart never seems to stop loving. 🙂
Posted by brianafayPosted by justagirlPosted by brianafayHas that stuff gotten any better?
I was asking myself the same about my Aqua sister
She's not a narcissist per se, just very self absorbed
She thinks she's an empath and that makes me laugh
Sadly many Aquas can't see their own faults and like to point shit at other people, I do this myself sometimes and don't see it until after the fact but I'm getting better at noticing it sooner rather than later and it definitely does not happen as much in my life compared to when I was younger.. lol Aquas very much live in their own heads/ own worlds.
So glad I have my Saggie bits to help, I'm just a blunt bitch instead lol
We still haven't spoken but she's been acting like she still plans on being in the wedding to my mom
My mom told her she needs to come and be happy and she said she would as long as "happy Bri" is there and not "mean Bri"
Her perception is apparently that this is my fault and I was mean to her 🙄I'm like yeah ok, whatever dude, just stay away from me lol I'm too old for this shit
I'm letting it go. It's simply not about her and won't be about her - the end. Come and be happy - or don't - cause I'm fresh outta fucks to give 🤷🏼♀️
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Posted by HippieGem
Definitely not. I don’t think I’m an empath, but I feel a lot of empathy for others. And true empaths are so overwhelmed by the emotions others are feeling around them. Narcissists don’t get overwhelmed by others feelings at all.
Everything someone does in there life isn’t even about that other person, be it a sibling, S/O, child. They view the people they love as an extension of themselves. It’s all about them.
For example, a woman gets talked badly by an ex to a man about his wife. Man gets upset by what he says. Goes home and rather than being upset someone would speak badly of his wife, feels sorry for himself and embarrassed the ex made him feel uncomfortable. Blames his wife for putting him in said position.
Making it all about himself even though it has nothing to do with him. That is narcissism.
Posted by lisabethur8I don’t know, he might. I feel like he should respond by saying he loves her and it’s disrespectuf to speak that way about her, not tell them to F off. Ugh.Posted by HippieGem
Definitely not. I don’t think I’m an empath, but I feel a lot of empathy for others. And true empaths are so overwhelmed by the emotions others are feeling around them. Narcissists don’t get overwhelmed by others feelings at all.
Everything someone does in there life isn’t even about that other person, be it a sibling, S/O, child. They view the people they love as an extension of themselves. It’s all about them.
For example, a woman gets talked badly by an ex to a man about his wife. Man gets upset by what he says. Goes home and rather than being upset someone would speak badly of his wife, feels sorry for himself and embarrassed the ex made him feel uncomfortable. Blames his wife for putting him in said position.
Making it all about himself even though it has nothing to do with him. That is narcissism.
omg so good.
i hate men like that. or women too.
they should take after Pierce Brosnan.....who has an overweight wife he loves...
and the Journalists and paparazzi tell him shit that his wife is this and that and he gets pissed tells themm to fuck off.
do you think he goes home and yells at his wife to lose weight so he is NOT embaressed by her?
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