Do a lot of French people hate Americans?

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When I went to France 4 years ago I kinda noticed this a little bit. I asked the owner of the hotel we were staying at in Paris about this. He was 57 at the time. But he said to me that during his time his parents always taught him to show a little respect to Americans for World War II since they helped. But the owner's son thought a little differently. Along with some other people. His son said he was a little suspicious of Americans and generally thought that while a lot of us are good to an extent. He just severely distrusts both the American government and the French government. Usually said that starting wars in poor countries was a favorite past time for America only so they can reap the benefits of a military-industrial complex. But as much as he disliked the government. He admitted France has done some corrupt shit in the past and really can't win a war lol (He was joking a little on that one).

Anyway I thought he had some good points there. Maybe he's also had some bad experience with disrespectful Americans. But generally I thought Simone was cool and pretty right about some stuff. So tell me, from anybody who has been to France or has lived there. Have you ever thought that a lot of French hate Americans? Distrust us? Or secretly likes us but they won't admit it? Same way for England and France there lol.
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Americans from the United States have a bad reputation for being obnoxious visitors to other countries - hence the expression "Ugly Americans."

The best anyone can do is to present themselves positively. Stereotypes exist against everyone.

A woman I know who traveled there said they were snobbish and dismissive if French wasn't spoken or was used incorrectly. She said Americans were much more friendly when she spoke "broken" English. I plan to one day visit France and see for myself. I bet there is less trouble with the young generation.
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French people really dislike English as a language. It's like it offends their musical ear. It's bs because they totally understand what you're saying.

I remember first day at the hotel with my friends. The guy at the reception was in a general state of displeasure, like we'd startle him with every word.

The next day we decided to talk French, and his face lit up. Was all milk and honey for the duration of our holiday.

Meanwhile in Rome I could not make myself understood in English at all. Relied on a mix of Italian/Spanish but mainly it was me gesticulating wildly.
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Usually said that starting wars in poor countries was a favorite past time for America only so they can reap the benefits of a military-industrial complex.
Uhm, yeah.





Why the pause Damnata?

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Because that is the general mentality you'll encounter. It's sad he didn't throw France in there too next to England and the US.

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It's just a different mentality. It's hard to explain. France is about hedonism. America needs a justification to live that way. France does not. It's also a massive waste of an economy in everyone else's eyes, but France does not see it that way.
French also suck with any kind of language in general.


In France? Yes. Outside of France, it's like meeting a whole new person.

French person in isolation = not so try-hard.

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French tend to be less inclusive too because they're very proud individuals and extremely patriotic.

They don't disrespect Americans but hey we can't deny a few more things happened on French soil in history to justify their bias; and this transpire when they speak English, no matter how well they've studied it, a part of them is latently reluctant in adapating to a proper accent. They want you to know they're French.

Furthermore it's not like Americans put that much effort themselves in learning a refined language like French, which in the end makes it fair.
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Usually said that starting wars in poor countries was a favorite past time for America only so they can reap the benefits of a military-industrial complex.
Uhm, yeah.





Why the pause Damnata?


Because that is the general mentality you'll encounter. It's sad he didn't throw France in there too next to England and the US.

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While I was in England things were generally cool. No one seemed to give me any hostility or and bad remarks. England was pretty fun.

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Usually said that starting wars in poor countries was a favorite past time for America only so they can reap the benefits of a military-industrial complex.
Uhm, yeah.





Why the pause Damnata?


Because that is the general mentality you'll encounter. It's sad he didn't throw France in there too next to England and the US.



While I was in England things were generally cool. No one seemed to give me any hostility or and bad remarks. England was pretty fun.

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lmao.

the hostility and bad remarks are hidden under a veneer of politeness.

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Gesticulating wildly.
Once you're in Rome, do as the Roman do 😛
"My arms hurt, man"

"Did you work construction?"

"...just met some chatty Italians today"
We're kind of funny to observe, speaking really becomes unnecessary when you're here.


Exactly lol.

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I still care - when I speak English - about not coming across as Italian; I'm very persistent actually in my attempt to not fit the stereotype when I'm abroad.



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Gesticulating wildly.
Once you're in Rome, do as the Roman do 😛
"My arms hurt, man"

"Did you work construction?"

"...just met some chatty Italians today"
We're kind of funny to observe, speaking really becomes unnecessary when you're here.


Exactly lol.


I still care - when I speak English - about not coming across as Italian; I'm very persistent actually in my attempt to not fit the stereotype when I'm abroad.



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I'm super self-conscious about I perceive to be a heavy soviet accent in my tone.

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If we're gonna be real here most Europeans feel that way towards Americans... Canadians in general. I know that when we'd go back to Portugal for the summer as kids... Um people in general would give us the side eye. Same thing happened later in life when I'd travel in eastern Europe... I would speak English and would be treated a certain way but my ex at the time who was part Romanian / Serb had an English accent and he was basically treated like a long lost cousin..... It's whatever. I wouldn't pin it on French people per say.
Ah Eastern Europe...

I crack up whenever I hear posh English on the street here. It contrasts so much with the environment.

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Are you guys brothers? Your writing style s seem to carry similar energy ?

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We're looking at places in Treviso and Venezia right now, our options are wider now but it's still proving harder than we initially anticipated. Well maybe I thought it was going to be easy street.

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Americans from the United States have a bad reputation for being obnoxious visitors to other countries - hence the expression "Ugly Americans."

The best anyone can do is to present themselves positively. Stereotypes exist against everyone.

A woman I know who traveled there said they were snobbish and dismissive if French wasn't spoken or was used incorrectly. She said Americans were much more friendly when she spoke "broken" English. I plan to one day visit France and see for myself. I bet there is less trouble with the young generation.
French people dislike everyone. British in particular.

As a side note Americans do come across obnoxious. Lower your voice. That is a good starting point.
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I would never live in Venice, I don't like how it's connected to the rest of the hinterland. I personally like having options, i like that I can just take my car and drive somewhere nice around. Easier from Treviso.

On top of that Treviso is tidier, cleaner and most importantly cheaper in every regards. I also read that it ranks top 10 in Italy in terms of tenor of life, while Venezia is around 60th.

Actually I just aked some friends - with whom I go on the road to follow Fiba events lol - who have lived in Padova for 5-7 years respectively and they say both (Treviso and Padova) are nice place in which to live. The first is people-oriented - 80k dwellers - you can move around with a bike and any neighborhood around the city centre is ordered - you can't really go wrong when you're picking an apartment there -

Second is more vibrant, bigger (250k), young, with more things to do and places to go out at night but there are also some neighborhoods it's better for you to avoid: an extensive research on the spot might be required to find your place.

It really depends what you're looking for and if your solution is just temporary or not. Considering you're coming from London they would both go for Padova. People are more open-minded in general, there's many international students given the importance of their University and the city is more dynamic per se. Basically a different atmosphere.

Venezia? idk... not many people actually live there, I hear the majority is in the Mestre's area.

Btw... my advice is to have, before you pick, a bird's eye view of the market here, usually 6-8 months are needed to have a clearer picture. What you see on pics - having changed 9 houses in Rome - it's rarely what you get. Personally, I'm always very strict in buying/renting a place that it's worth the price, I just can't stand people trying to rob me thinking I'm some sort of naïve buyer just because I'm fairly young.

I'd say it's crucial to do that here but it requires obviously a lot of effort too, so schedule as many appointments as you can just to know what you're dealing with, margin for a rip-off is high. See as many places as you can and ask questions because sellers here never say the whole truth about the cadastral situation. A place that looks like a proper apartment may turn out being an office instead... it happens frequently when they notice you're not from here. I remember one in particular I liked was listed simultaneously as an office (A10), apartament (A2/A3) and garage (C6). Are you kidding me? And they were trying to hide it... lol

It might be easier for you to go there and take a whole month - September/October maybe? - to concentrate your research and then decide. It's hard already to probe the market from here I just can't imagine you doing it from London.

Ha! Negotiate the price like if you were in some sort of sūq of Marrakech... 😄
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And even being ripped off there, worst case scenario, is still ten times cheaper than anything going here in London. I look at prices over there and it's unreal how low it is for what you get.

That's for sure, for the equivalent of a basement there, you can probably rent a castle here. Not to mention what you could do in Romania with the same amount of money lol

It's also much easier than I made it sound, I'm just a perfectionist who's rarely satisfied.
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My response may be shallow.. but!

I know when I travel, and people think I'm American I don't get treated that well.. but when i correct them and say I'm Canadian, they don't seem as rude anymore. I'm told to wear a Canadian flag so people don't think I'm American when I travel.
Are you talking about Europe?
I haven't been to Europe yet, no. I just meant in general. Ive heard through the grapevine from other Canadians to let people to know you're Canadian some how. What Arielle said though, Australians hate Americans so I have to let it be known Im not one lol
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From my experience Canadians are seen with different eyes in Europe too.
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My response may be shallow.. but!

I know when I travel, and people think I'm American I don't get treated that well.. but when i correct them and say I'm Canadian, they don't seem as rude anymore. I'm told to wear a Canadian flag so people don't think I'm American when I travel.
Are you talking about Europe?
I haven't been to Europe yet, no. I just meant in general. Ive heard through the grapevine from other Canadians to let people to know you're Canadian some how. What Arielle said though, Australians hate Americans so I have to let it be known Im not one lol
From my experience Canadians are seen with different eyes in Europe too.
Oooo. Didn't know that. Why's that? And be honest because I really want to know!
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More laid-back and funny, also less noisy. You seem to know how to behave in public without necessarily feeling the desire of getting noticed by everybody, which is huge in my book.

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I would never live in Venice, I don't like how it's connected to the rest of the hinterland. I personally like having options, i like that I can just take my car and drive somewhere nice around. Easier from Treviso.

On top of that Treviso is tidier, cleaner and most importantly cheaper in every regards. I also read that it ranks top 10 in Italy in terms of tenor of life, while Venezia is around 60th.



I don't think I could live in venice either, the whole town is made of old decrepit buildings it must be depressing.

Some parts of italy looks really great, fantastic. I think it must be the greatest country to live the dolce vita of an eternal tourist a la george clooney/tiziani, but maybe not to live long term, idk.

My ex wife went to live in verona, it looks nice but I don't know if I could live there forever. I need a bit of chaos sometimes.



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I would never live in Venice, I don't like how it's connected to the rest of the hinterland. I personally like having options, i like that I can just take my car and drive somewhere nice around. Easier from Treviso.

On top of that Treviso is tidier, cleaner and most importantly cheaper in every regards. I also read that it ranks top 10 in Italy in terms of tenor of life, while Venezia is around 60th.



I don't think I could live in venice either, the whole town is made of old decrepit buildings it must be depressing.

Some parts of italy looks really great, fantastic. I think it must be the greatest country to live the dolce vita of an eternal tourist a la george clooney/tiziani, but maybe not to live long term, idk.

My ex wife went to live in verona, it looks nice but I don't know if I could live there forever. I need a bit of chaos sometimes.



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More than depressing it stinks as the pidgeons situation is getting out of control. I like Verona a lot but I agree I probably couldn't live there long-term either and for the same reasons.

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French resident here 🙂

I think they have an aversion for tourists in general, which is ironic because tourism is one of France's principal income.

I remember my friend scolding me! 'Swans, why did you reply to that guy in English ?!!!' she was pissed with the American tourists that never learnt a single word of French, and assume that English could be used anywhere, without saying a 'Bonjour, est-ce que pourriez m'aider s'il vous plait' first.

Also culturally they are very different I think.

French people are 'intellectual' (intellectual DOES NOT mean intelligent) and I feel like Americans are different.

(My parents are Japanese, and I think Japanese people aren't intellectual either, although their culture is as old) I think it's very 'European'.



But I went to a French High School in Japan, and the French students were rude themselves. In the subway, public ares, etc. They were loud, always causing a ruckus, hehe. People got cranky, I remember :3

And French people are terrible with foreign language, haha. (But they aren't aware of it)

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I would never live in Venice, I don't like how it's connected to the rest of the hinterland. I personally like having options, i like that I can just take my car and drive somewhere nice around. Easier from Treviso.

On top of that Treviso is tidier, cleaner and most importantly cheaper in every regards. I also read that it ranks top 10 in Italy in terms of tenor of life, while Venezia is around 60th.



I don't think I could live in venice either, the whole town is made of old decrepit buildings it must be depressing.

Some parts of italy looks really great, fantastic. I think it must be the greatest country to live the dolce vita of an eternal tourist a la george clooney/tiziani, but maybe not to live long term, idk.

My ex wife went to live in verona, it looks nice but I don't know if I could live there forever. I need a bit of chaos sometimes.



Montalbano is my spirit animal.

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I don't like it. The point of montalbano is that he's a grizzled middle-aged man, so I don't get it.

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It's meant to be a compliment, but I can't help but take it as an under-handed insult
Compliments and insults are personal.

In this case, you get complimented for how that person perceives you. You see it as an insult because you take it upon yourself to defend culture or stereotypes.

I will make a note of someone who stands out always.

I haven't run into any American that acted like the world shouldn't bow to them or had any genuine interest in getting involved into another country. Loud and disrespectful at all times.

But obviously that's just my experience and I'm a speck of dust so I completely get how other people's experience is different. Because of that there is no bias I have with Americans but my experience is what it is.

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As far as how people behave...just spend time chatting with a museum guide. They see all cultures in huge numbers, provided they don't turn jaded.

It's sad because at some point stereotypes just start playing in your mind like movies. I try and catch myself.

Like the one time I was in the Sistine Chapel and I saw someone throw a cheesburger wrapper on the floor. I looked to the museum guide and they were looking at this scene like it was totally normal. That person started talking loudly and my mind was "Oh American, figures". And then I caught myself because he was just...a douchebag. But I don't know how many people actually make an effort to catch themselves and keep perspective.

I might get snarky with Americans but it's really on an individual human level at the end of the day. I only take into account who s/he is as a person. I don't do that nice politeness only to throw shade at them with others.