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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?
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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?

Bottom line is the ability to exercise the freedom of speech (in current climate it is a privilege), that is more important than winning the points of an argument. (We’ll always need to argue for the sake of progress, it keeps us intellectually sharp otherwise it will remain status quo and no movement).

If people can put their ego aside for a second and understand all angles and come to a conclusion instead of being reactive, it would help them be less sensitive/triggered or say something they may later regret.
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I can easily get offended in real life. People's words don't mean shit unless they can back it up. If you can't back up your trash talking then stfu. My cancer placements (especially Mars) gets on the offense. Thankfully I have way too many Geminis to ignore people and move on.

Sorry to throw astrology in the mix of this but hey....what can I say🤷
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues


i think people can use fake outrage to manipulate situations and that it's not always about their actual beliefs/principles.
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues

sacred golden calves LOL
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That made me laugh 🤣
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues

i think people can use fake outrage to manipulate situations and that it's not always about their actual beliefs/principles.
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This has always been the case especially in wider society using props as propaganda, people always fall for the PR machine and are easily manipulated.
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues

i think people can use fake outrage to manipulate situations and that it's not always about their actual beliefs/principles.

This has always been the case especially in wider society using props as propaganda, people always fall for the PR machine and are easily manipulated.
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true but i enjoy witnessing it when it gets rid of people i find annoying lol

the ones who usually fall victim for this are aggressive/loud types (traits i personally don't enjoy)

mouth runners
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues

i think people can use fake outrage to manipulate situations and that it's not always about their actual beliefs/principles.

This has always been the case especially in wider society using props as propaganda, people always fall for the PR machine and are easily manipulated.

true but i enjoy witnessing it when it gets rid of people i find annoying lol

the ones who usually fall victim for this are aggressive/loud types (traits i personally don't enjoy)

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Haha, you’d be surprised how anyone can be easily played despite their intellectual prowess. But I get what you mean with karma šŸ˜Ž
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All I know is that every person in the world is a hypocrite when it comes to considering what's offensive. Anything goes until it comes their way and to their sacred golden calves. And then all of a sudden!..they start claiming the person wasn't making a joke, it was hate speech/a threat/a statement or whatever they claim to know about the inner process of somebody else's mind

There's no fault really, it's just a natural consequence of people holding different values, different beliefs, different experiences. That conflict is supposed to lead to discussion, learning different perspectives. Unfortunately that's less and less the case these days. People are overpolarized and see 2D villain Hitlers and Stalins walking around instead of human beings. Which gives them the sense of moral superiority to exert their control over that person and force their beliefs down the other person's throat. And the polarization continues

i think people can use fake outrage to manipulate situations and that it's not always about their actual beliefs/principles.

Oh for sure. There's endless factors, nuances, and exceptions to human behavior. Maybe people do halfway hold those hold beliefs but aren't as outraged as they pretend to be, using it as a power grab, an outlet for their anger, whatever the case may be. And so on and so forth
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i've seen people use this to virtue signal. very transparent and unattractive imo (yet i see a lot of people fall for it *cough water moons* weirdly enough) but that's just a poor way of using it. using it to attack lol that's a mistake.

but real professionals use it for self-defense.

can't play victim when you keep attacking lol.
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Nobody’s fault



It’s a choice of whether you allow people to offend you or not

Exactly my thought but I was thinking that’s because Gems have very little ego to feed and very little need for us to validate ourselves...
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I don’t think it’s sign related, I’ve seen all signs arguing the toss, trying to prove they’re right and the other person is wrong.

Some people seem to enjoy the ego tripping?

You rarely see people say ā€œwe’ll have to agree to dissgree, but prefer ā€œyou’re wrong, i’m rightā€ 🄓. The time and energy spent on that seems such a waste

ā€œArgument is the worst kind of conversationā€

~Jonathan Swift
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Nobody’s fault



It’s a choice of whether you allow people to offend you or not

Exactly my thought but I was thinking that’s because Gems have very little ego to feed and very little need for us to validate ourselves...

I don’t think it’s sign related, I’ve seen all signs arguing the toss, trying to prove they’re right and the other person is wrong.Some people seem to enjoy the ego tripping?

You rarely see people say ā€œwe’ll have to agree to dissgree, but prefer ā€œyou’re wrong, i’m rightā€ 🄓. The time and energy spent on that seems such a waste

ā€œArgument is the worst kind of conversationā€

~Jonathan Swift


People really need to work on that, even they give you the honesty and yet easily to take it as rude instead of thinking twice of what they're actually meant. So much denial of those that their lala lands broke into the pieces by the reality..
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I noticed astrologically fire placements tend to become embroiled in the ego trip thing...

Mum ... Leo moon ... stubborn and never in the wrong

Dad .... Sag moon ... never saw the other persons point of view

Sister ... Leo .. had to be right lol

Bro in law ... argue black was white

Leo rising friend ... actually said to me ā€œi know everythingā€

When i was in their company, even as child i could see how silly they all looked trying to get one up on each other

I got used to cringing

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Nobody’s fault



It’s a choice of whether you allow people to offend you or not

Exactly my thought but I was thinking that’s because Gems have very little ego to feed and very little need for us to validate ourselves...

I don’t think it’s sign related, I’ve seen all signs arguing the toss, trying to prove they’re right and the other person is wrong.

Some people seem to enjoy the ego tripping?

You rarely see people say ā€œwe’ll have to agree to dissgree, but prefer ā€œyou’re wrong, i’m rightā€ 🄓. The time and energy spent on that seems such a waste

ā€œArgument is the worst kind of conversationā€

~Jonathan Swift

My though on ā€˜we can agree to disagree’ is that it’s not bringing issue anywhere.

If we agree to disagree - why had we started this conversation to begin with?

It’s like doing nothing...šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø
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...so you choose to waste time trying to make someone see your point of view when they’ve no desire or intention to?

How long will you spend on that?

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Nobody’s fault



It’s a choice of whether you allow people to offend you or not

Exactly my thought but I was thinking that’s because Gems have very little ego to feed and very little need for us to validate ourselves...

I don’t think it’s sign related, I’ve seen all signs arguing the toss, trying to prove they’re right and the other person is wrong.

Some people seem to enjoy the ego tripping?

You rarely see people say ā€œwe’ll have to agree to dissgree, but prefer ā€œyou’re wrong, i’m rightā€ 🄓. The time and energy spent on that seems such a waste

ā€œArgument is the worst kind of conversationā€

~Jonathan Swift

My though on ā€˜we can agree to disagree’ is that it’s not bringing issue anywhere.

If we agree to disagree - why had we started this conversation to begin with?

It’s like doing nothing...šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

...so you choose to waste time trying to make someone see your point of view when they’ve no desire or intention to?

How long will you spend on that?

🄓

...until they SEE IT! šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

That’s why I am limiting my human interaction to internet...because making people see my point and agree with it usually resulting violence and low less behavior so internet that is...for me. Mostly. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø
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Haha

Enjoy

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I say it depends. There are things that are offensive period. Then there are things others take offensive because they are sensitive or maybe have experience that makes it offensive.

You can’t make everyone happy all the time, so I’m not sure why people try so hard to. Or other people make a big deal about things being ā€œoffensiveā€ to them when it may not be about them at all.
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If this is about ā€˜Handsome Master’ judo rah and Soul ā€˜beef’ - I say you all took it to the level 2 of them hadn’t reached even!

@hydorah most likely sees @Soul as a treat to his handsomeness and called Soul out on invalid shit that he couldn’t even describe...

All that was is men who can’t hold the liquor - shouldn’t be drinking. Period! Smoke weed...it’ll mellow you down...


I don't think I offended him, just drank a 5th of rum and said some nonsense. Not to him personally though. I made this thread mostly because more and more people on my Facebook are getting offend by every little thing. I was sober when I made this last night lol. It was like a chain of thoughts that lead me to this idea, which I felt my deep opinion was pretty self-centered. I wanted some insight to see another side, which many people described. I like the balanced approach to this question, and never thought of it like that.
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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?


i think you are an idiot. that sounds like the most selfish standpoint i can imagine when it comes to interpersonal relationships.

you know what i hear?

"you can't change me so i'm going to just say whatever the fuck i want and it's your fault if you get upset"

First of fucking all if you are that selfish that you won't change who you are for anyone but yourself, and then have the audacity to blame the other person for being offended, then it's a fucking mystery to me if you aren't living in a completely socially isolated bubble, or surrounded by other selfish assholes such as yourself.

Secondly, get the fuck over yourself. you say you can't be changed by anyone outside yourself, but everyone else is able to?

You are either fucking joking and trolling, or the biggest fucking loser on the planet.
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I say it depends. There are things that are offensive period. Then there are things others take offensive because they are sensitive or maybe have experience that makes it offensive.

You can’t make everyone happy all the time, so I’m not sure why people try so hard to. Or other people make a big deal about things being ā€œoffensiveā€ to them when it may not be about them at all.

Yeah. I agree. It’s hard to not to punch someone in the face when they calling you fat ugly bitch...if you suspect deeply inside that you ARE overweight unattractive unpleasant person.

So you might keep straight face but when left alone you cry and making voodoos of them and stick so they die slow death.

Same scenario if you are fit beautiful kind person (I would somehow doubt it because WHY would anybody call you fat ugly bitch if you are an opposite but that’s me) - and you were called all opposite - you might just smile and happily skip away...then you’ll cry while looking for their info and when found - you slit their tires and shove a beet into their muffler...

Basically...these both scenarios are the same because THERE IS NO SUCH A THING that people don’t get offended by rudeness!

EVERYBODY does!!! You can choose to show it or to hide it. To respond to it or to ignore it...but anyway that shit is stuck in your mind and you wish them dead whether you nice or mean with difference that

...if you nice you wish them painless death after they realize WHY they are dying and after quick 30min suffering they actually die...

...and if you are mean person you wish they die slow painful death and you can watch it...

Am I right? šŸ˜‡
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Omg 🤣🤣🤣 you crack me up so much.

Thanks for words of wisdom and slow death, I’ll start practicing making those voodoo dolls.
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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?

i think you are an idiot. that sounds like the most selfish standpoint i can imagine when it comes to interpersonal relationships.

you know what i hear?

"you can't change me so i'm going to just say whatever the fuck i want and it's your fault if you get upset"

First of fucking all if you are that selfish that you won't change who you are for anyone but yourself, and then have the audacity to blame the other person for being offended, then it's a fucking mystery to me if you aren't living in a completely socially isolated bubble, or surrounded by other selfish assholes such as yourself.

Secondly, get the fuck over yourself. you say you can't be changed by anyone outside yourself, but everyone else is able to?

You are either fucking joking and trolling, or the biggest fucking loser on the planet.
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Both of those at the same time šŸ˜†

I put myself in the example of the offender and offended to try and make it easier to get the idea out to others. Its a hard idea to grasp I know. Bottom line is I feel its truly impossible to change what people outside the self thinks, feels, or says. It is possible to change how you take it all in and how you let it manipulate you, or lack thereof however. Im not saying it's wrong or abnormal to let things you cannot control offend you, I'm just saying you have a better chance of controlling how you handle it internally rather then trying to change other people externally. Which is the least selfish thing when you really think about.

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That's usually an Eggo thing (whatever shaped your personality up to this point, as in... life experiences, doctrine, entourage and all the beliefs you identify with as a result - be it personal, borrowed or indoctrinated). Or another way to put it... it's personal.

And here's a common example - as in.... "religious beliefs". It's what plagued humanity for thousands of years (the main source of conflict). An example which goes to prove that... most people (all over the world) - were whiling to kill and torture... anyone who didn't agree with their favorite fairy tale (my God is better than your God - sort of thing). It's what they identified with... so they took that as an attack on their identity. For same reason... it's hard to take responsibility, so maybe God is to blame...







As mentioned above - what one finds offensive has a lot to do with one's identity. If you're a realist - you might find ignorance and unconscious behavior offensive. If you're unconscious or ignorant - then facts might be offensive. If a hypocrite - then you might find even your own beliefs offensive. If you've been traumatized by some personal experience - then the detail specific to that occurrence - can trigger your offensive nature (so called - ego defense mechanism).

OFC, even blame has its purpose (if justified) - if a crime occurred (or is occurring), if someone or something is a source/cause of harm or destruction. Same goes for self-blame - if one is guilty of a crime (it's impossible to mature in that regard - if one's not whiling to take responsibility for its actions). Tho... a lot of monsters are human made. And the most dangerous in a modern society - is probably "the victim mentality (easily offended for no real reason, habitually blaming anyone but themselves for the situation they're in, thus... since there's no way to improve ones life without taking any responsibility - they're just dragging anyone who's whiling to lend an ear and show support - in their misery / real life black holes in human clothing)".

Last but not least...

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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?


Why be offended in the first place?

Is it a issue of someones pride or some other reason to feel threatened?



How much of what people find offensive is because they where taught to respond in that way on the first place?
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Is that my fault or your fault? I've been thinking about this for days now. It's pretty obvious I'm easily offended. Many others are too. I've been working out a thought experiment on the real cause of being offended. I started to ask myself "If I happen to offend someone is that my fault, or their fault? I came to the conclusion it's impossible for anyone outside myself to truly change my personal thoughts or feelings, yet everyone outside myself on a mental and physical level have the option to change their own personal thoughts on how they feel or think about the world outside themselves. Which in my own opinion would prove if you get offended by something I say that is you're fault and not mine. You are letting yourself input what I say, and letting it manipulate you on a mental or even physical level. I'm not saying that its an excuse to go out and offend or manipulate people either, it's just a thought. What do you think?

i think you are an idiot. that sounds like the most selfish standpoint i can imagine when it comes to interpersonal relationships.

you know what i hear?

"you can't change me so i'm going to just say whatever the fuck i want and it's your fault if you get upset"

First of fucking all if you are that selfish that you won't change who you are for anyone but yourself, and then have the audacity to blame the other person for being offended, then it's a fucking mystery to me if you aren't living in a completely socially isolated bubble, or surrounded by other selfish assholes such as yourself.

Secondly, get the fuck over yourself. you say you can't be changed by anyone outside yourself, but everyone else is able to?

You are either fucking joking and trolling, or the biggest fucking loser on the planet.

Both of those at the same time šŸ˜†

I put myself in the example of the offender and offended to try and make it easier to get the idea out to others. Its a hard idea to grasp I know. Bottom line is I feel its truly impossible to change what people outside the self thinks, feels, or says. It is possible to change how you take it all in and how you let it manipulate you, or lack thereof however. Im not saying it's wrong or abnormal to let things you cannot control offend you, I'm just saying you have a better chance of controlling how you handle it internally rather then trying to change other people externally. Which is the least selfish thing when you really think about.
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Make total sense