SirHorns
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Just a stupidly simple questions.
My problem with them is that in modern times they've become idiots. I can't support them these days.
Posted by KatanaWell said!
1) An equalitarian is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for everyone, regardless of but especially with respect to gender, race, political or religious stances.
A feminist is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for women especially in regards to political, social and economic grounds. Furthermore, it's a person who is of the belief that women should have the same rights as men.
They both pretty much lead to the same goal but, one is specifically narrowed down to focus on one gender, the gender that has been oppressed throughout history.
2) If you believe in equalitarianism then you also agree with feminism. You can be a feminist and not be an equalitarian but, it doesn't work the other way around.
3) It seems like some of the biggest issues that a lot of people have with feminism and the feminist movement is that they can't separate the political group from the actual meaning of the word and the initial goal of the movement. Some just simply aren't educated on what feminism entails, they simply don't agree with it or they agree with feminism but, not the actions of the actual political party. The media definitely misconstrues the overall message of the feminist movement to sway public opinion to benefit their own agendas as they do with every other issue which of course isn't helpful to the movement.
Whenever you have a group of people advocating for one cause, although they all share a common goal, naturally they're all still going to have different perceptions and so the way they each go about reaching that goal will more than likely differ. The whole group can't possibly control each of it's members and supporters. Unfortunately, when a few members of a group act in ways that others don't agree with, the whole group tends to be blamed, shunned and stereotyped for the actions of the few. We've seen this happen time and time again and it's still happening today in regards to religion, politics, race, gender etc.
What @Katana wrote sums it up excellently.
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Posted by KatanaWhy does it seem like the majority of feminist do not denounce feminist who make the movement look bad?
1) An equalitarian is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for everyone, regardless of but especially with respect to gender, race, political or religious stances.
A feminist is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for women especially in regards to political, social and economic grounds. Furthermore, it's a person who is of the belief that women should have the same rights as men.
They both pretty much lead to the same goal but, one is specifically narrowed down to focus on one gender, the gender that has been oppressed throughout history.
2) If you believe in equalitarianism then you also agree with feminism. You can be a feminist and not be an equalitarian but, it doesn't work the other way around.
3) It seems like some of the biggest issues that a lot of people have with feminism and the feminist movement is that they can't separate the political group from the actual meaning of the word and the initial goal of the movement. Some just simply aren't educated on what feminism entails, they simply don't agree with it or they agree with feminism but, not the actions of the actual political party. The media definitely misconstrues the overall message of the feminist movement to sway public opinion to benefit their own agendas as they do with every other issue which of course isn't helpful to the movement.
Whenever you have a group of people advocating for one cause, although they all share a common goal, naturally they're all still going to have different perceptions and so the way they each go about reaching that goal will more than likely differ. The whole group can't possibly control each of it's members and supporters. Unfortunately, when a few members of a group act in ways that others don't agree with, the whole group tends to be blamed, shunned and stereotyped for the actions of the few. We've seen this happen time and time again and it's still happening today in regards to religion, politics, race, gender etc.
Stupid thread
Posted by GoooberYou're mistaking those problematic voices as the majority when, in fact, I would argue that they are not. They're loud and offensive so people are more likely to pay attention to them and retain what they say. If you talk to someone with a rational and accurate view point of what feminism is to them, you're likely to overlook that or not even see their opinions/articles. I believe that the majority of these loud voices are of a younger age and have naively buy in to the opinions of the other problematic voices. Just take a look at tumblr. It's a breeding ground of problematic opinionsPosted by KatanaWhy does it seem like the majority of feminist do not denounce feminist who make the movement look bad?
1) An equalitarian is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for everyone, regardless of but especially with respect to gender, race, political or religious stances.
A feminist is a person who advocates/supports equal rights for women especially in regards to political, social and economic grounds. Furthermore, it's a person who is of the belief that women should have the same rights as men.
They both pretty much lead to the same goal but, one is specifically narrowed down to focus on one gender, the gender that has been oppressed throughout history.
2) If you believe in equalitarianism then you also agree with feminism. You can be a feminist and not be an equalitarian but, it doesn't work the other way around.
3) It seems like some of the biggest issues that a lot of people have with feminism and the feminist movement is that they can't separate the political group from the actual meaning of the word and the initial goal of the movement. Some just simply aren't educated on what feminism entails, they simply don't agree with it or they agree with feminism but, not the actions of the actual political party. The media definitely misconstrues the overall message of the feminist movement to sway public opinion to benefit their own agendas as they do with every other issue which of course isn't helpful to the movement.
Whenever you have a group of people advocating for one cause, although they all share a common goal, naturally they're all still going to have different perceptions and so the way they each go about reaching that goal will more than likely differ. The whole group can't possibly control each of it's members and supporters. Unfortunately, when a few members of a group act in ways that others don't agree with, the whole group tends to be blamed, shunned and stereotyped for the actions of the few. We've seen this happen time and time again and it's still happening today in regards to religion, politics, race, gender etc.click to expand
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.
Posted by ScenicIf you feel like the majority isn't problematic, why isn't the ''majority'' denouncing the problematic ''minority''?
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.
Posted by GoooberThey are...but what I'm saying is that when you see someone who doesn't denounce it, that's because they are part of that problematic minority. Check out the example I posted to better understand my views. Are you more likely to see an article with extreme, problematic views or articles that are from rational, educated individuals? When it comes to this topic, your friends and strangers are likely going to be sharing and talking about the problematic ones because it's exciting or offensive and people have a lot more to say about exciting or offensive things than a rational, well-thought out article.Posted by ScenicIf you feel like the majority isn't problematic, why isn't the ''majority'' denouncing the problematic ''minority''?
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.click to expand
Posted by KatanaExactly what I was trying to say. Though, you made it happen with only two sentences. : )Posted by GoooberSome do, you just have to look for it.
Why does it seem like the majority of feminist do not denounce feminist who make the movement look bad?
Negativity is often highlighted to the point that it blurs positivity, that's most likely why it "seems" that way.click to expand
Posted by KatanaI'm sure SOME do, but I didn't ask about some. I asked about the majority.Posted by GoooberSome do, you just have to look for it.
Why does it seem like the majority of feminist do not denounce feminist who make the movement look bad?
Negativity is often highlighted to the point that it blurs positivity, that's most likely why it "seems" that way.click to expand
Posted by ScenicI would think the majority would overshadow the minority. Even if the negative gets a lot of attention, I'm sure that if the majority of feminist were against the negative, they would make that loud, clear, would be seen and heard. If they can organize big controversial slut walks, they can organize walks to be clear about their movement while shunning the problematic minority. I'm really hoping you're right but it's hard to believe because it doesn't seem like they're doing enough.Posted by GoooberThey are...but what I'm saying is that when you see someone who doesn't denounce it, that's because they are part of that problematic minority. Check out the example I posted to better understand my views. Are you more likely to see an article with extreme, problematic views or articles that are from rational, educated individuals? When it comes to this topic, your friends and strangers are likely going to be sharing and talking about the problematic ones because it's exciting or offensive and people have a lot more to say about exciting or offensive things than a rational, well-thought out article.Posted by ScenicIf you feel like the majority isn't problematic, why isn't the ''majority'' denouncing the problematic ''minority''?
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.click to expand
Posted by GoooberPosted by ScenicI would think the majority would overshadow the minority. Even if the negative gets a lot of attention, I'm sure that if the majority of feminist were against the negative, they would make that loud, clear, would be seen and heard. If they can organize big controversial slut walks, they can organize walks to be clear about their movement while shunning the problematic minority. I'm really hoping you're right but it's hard to believe because it doesn't seem like they're doing enough.Posted by GoooberThey are...but what I'm saying is that when you see someone who doesn't denounce it, that's because they are part of that problematic minority. Check out the example I posted to better understand my views. Are you more likely to see an article with extreme, problematic views or articles that are from rational, educated individuals? When it comes to this topic, your friends and strangers are likely going to be sharing and talking about the problematic ones because it's exciting or offensive and people have a lot more to say about exciting or offensive things than a rational, well-thought out article.Posted by ScenicIf you feel like the majority isn't problematic, why isn't the ''majority'' denouncing the problematic ''minority''?
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.click to expand
Example of this would be "why don't Muslims denounce ISIS?" ""Why aren't Catholics rising up and denouncing the pedophiles in the church?" "Why don't men tell each other no means no."
They do. Media prefers to show you who Trump peed on or if a Kardashian likes cheese.
Posted by Arielle83Yes I relate to that more than feminism.
I'm equalitarian
Posted by kissmygritsYou're speaking as I said we dont see these groups denounce the problematics at all. I know some do, I just dont think its the majority because we would hear and see it more often. It's rare the majority is overshadowed by the miPosted by GoooberPosted by ScenicI would think the majority would overshadow the minority. Even if the negative gets a lot of attention, I'm sure that if the majority of feminist were against the negative, they would make that loud, clear, would be seen and heard. If they can organize big controversial slut walks, they can organize walks to be clear about their movement while shunning the problematic minority. I'm really hoping you're right but it's hard to believe because it doesn't seem like they're doing enough.Posted by GoooberThey are...but what I'm saying is that when you see someone who doesn't denounce it, that's because they are part of that problematic minority. Check out the example I posted to better understand my views. Are you more likely to see an article with extreme, problematic views or articles that are from rational, educated individuals? When it comes to this topic, your friends and strangers are likely going to be sharing and talking about the problematic ones because it's exciting or offensive and people have a lot more to say about exciting or offensive things than a rational, well-thought out article.Posted by ScenicIf you feel like the majority isn't problematic, why isn't the ''majority'' denouncing the problematic ''minority''?
An example of what I'm saying can be made from the activity that goes around on this forum.
What topics are you likely to click on or visit more? The dramatic, hateful ones. What users do you remember more? Well, I still see people talk about DJ, who made a lot of threads, some of which people thought were inappropriate. I personally have a hard time remembering a lot of threads that were not dramatic.
But, are threads like DJ the majority? No...although you could argue that most threads are dumb and I would agree. Dramatic and problematic? Nah...although it sure seems like it when a few pop up around the same time.
Example of this would be "why don't Muslims denounce ISIS?" ""Why aren't Catholics rising up and denouncing the pedophiles in the church?" "Why don't men tell each other no means no."
They do. Media prefers to show you who Trump peed on or if a Kardashian likes cheese.click to expand
Posted by KatanaFirst you say... ''Some do, you just have to look for it.''...Posted by GoooberThe majority probably does. Again, you would know if you'd look for it.Posted by KatanaI'm sure SOME do, but I didn't ask about some. I asked about the majority.Posted by GoooberSome do, you just have to look for it.
Why does it seem like the majority of feminist do not denounce feminist who make the movement look bad?
Negativity is often highlighted to the point that it blurs positivity, that's most likely why it "seems" that way.
Perhaps the feminists who aren't denouncing these other feminists are just too busy concerning themselves with actually fulfilling the movement's purpose and achieving equality for women. They probably don't find it necessary to give attention to negativity that they know they have no control over and has nothing to do with their cause. Sure some The majority probably does. Again, you would know if you'd look for it. give the feminist movement a bad rap but, as long as the feminists who are fighting to make a change are still fighting and still making that change, as far as reaching their goal is concerned, that's what matters.
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Now it's, ''The majority probably does. Again, you would know if you'd look for it.''....
I would think that making sure your movement is represented in the best way would be a priority, especially when you want others to join you.
And I'm not only pertaining to "femi-nazis" and radicals. I'm also talking about feminist who continue to spread information that's already been debunked a thousand times and feminist who continue to make inaccurate blanket statements about men.
Posted by IncorrigibleThe stupid door is that way --->
Feminism is convincing women they are equal to men.
Equalitarian is boosting men's ego.
Feminism is very different to equalitarianism, in that many women use it as an outlet for their expressions of personal issues, such as those who like to express themselves sexually and overtly yet feel oppressed by traditional society or are fed up of being judged by more conservative folk.
This gives it more of a social and personal leaning for many women with less of a political agenda and it always has, especially moreso back in the 60's and 70's
This gives it more of a social and personal leaning for many women with less of a political agenda and it always has, especially moreso back in the 60's and 70's
Posted by KatanaWhen does anyone have to look for something thats the majority, lol. It should be easy to find if it was the majority. I would see and hear of it a majority of the time UNLESS the "majority" is SILENT.Posted by GoooberWhether I say "some" or the "majority", it all goes back to the same thing, you looking for it. I believe other matters concerning the movement are more important and therefore should be more of a priority. You've just mentioned your observations which may or may not necessarily correlate with reality which is why I can't thoroughly address the topic you brought up and why you should find your own answers.
First you say... ''Some do, you just have to look for it.''...
Now it's, ''The majority probably does. Again, you would know if you'd look for it.''....
I would think that making sure your movement is represented in the best way would be a priority, especially when you want others to join you.
And I'm not only pertaining to "femi-nazis" and radicals. I'm also talking about feminist who continue to spread information that's already been debunked a thousand times and feminist who continue to make inaccurate blanket statements about men.
Judging from what you've written thus far, I think it's fair to say you're not too fond of the movement. It's understandable if you don't agree with their current message or every single one of their ideologies but, instead of trying to be supportive of a movement that was only created to support your equal rights, you'd rather critique the negative aspects of it without actually providing any conducive or positive suggestions for improvement of your own. You don't even have to support the political party but, if you don't at least support the idea of feminism in general since it pertains to and affects your gender as a woman, I can only assume you haven't truly comprehended the definition of the word. There's ignorant and ill-informed people in all groups and as I said before, a whole group can't possibly control all of it's members and supporters, they can only share their message and their wisdom with the hope that people will understand.
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You're acting as if feminist putting out the message that they do not support or stand with problematic feminist is soooo much work and will overshadow bigger issues. Smh.
I support the idea of feminism. I'm not fond of most of the idiots who call themselves feminist or some of the ideolgies coming from them. There's a difference 🙂
I'm being supportive by giving constructive critisism and suggesting that you all condem problematic feminist to make the movement look better. Also, I have not suggested that you all control y
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... control your problematic members, ive suggested that you call them out. There is a difference 🙂
... control your problematic members, ive suggested that you call them out. There is a difference 🙂
@Katana
Hm.
I can't nessasarily say that why you think most feminist aren't denouncing problematic feminist is wrong but there are other ugly possibilities to why they aren't also. For instance, maybe they're cowards, they think it goes against "girl code" to call out women who "at least identify as feminist" or they just simply get a kick out it. We don't know, but consider all possibilities.
And from what I've seen, feminist speak on a variety of things (ranging from important to petty) so I don't see how calling out people who are in fact problematic, who identify as feminist and get a lot of attention/may even be the face of feminism is not a priority to them. I mean, look...they're getting more attention than you. Isn't that a huge problem?
And I'm not nessasarily suggesting that the majority go back and forth all day with problematic feminist. Simply coming up with a slogan of some sorts, posting in their bios on twitter (or whatever) that they don't support these women is enough. Heck, getting a hashtag trending on twitter would be great. I mean, that's the LEAST the majority can do. That's of course if they aren't apart of the problem.
Hm.
I can't nessasarily say that why you think most feminist aren't denouncing problematic feminist is wrong but there are other ugly possibilities to why they aren't also. For instance, maybe they're cowards, they think it goes against "girl code" to call out women who "at least identify as feminist" or they just simply get a kick out it. We don't know, but consider all possibilities.
And from what I've seen, feminist speak on a variety of things (ranging from important to petty) so I don't see how calling out people who are in fact problematic, who identify as feminist and get a lot of attention/may even be the face of feminism is not a priority to them. I mean, look...they're getting more attention than you. Isn't that a huge problem?
And I'm not nessasarily suggesting that the majority go back and forth all day with problematic feminist. Simply coming up with a slogan of some sorts, posting in their bios on twitter (or whatever) that they don't support these women is enough. Heck, getting a hashtag trending on twitter would be great. I mean, that's the LEAST the majority can do. That's of course if they aren't apart of the problem.
Posted by KatanaThis thread was made asking basic questions.Posted by LadyOfRebirthI've noticed it too and with some water sign men here as well.
Is it just me or is it mostly cap men criticising the modern woman?
Serious question.
Stereotypically, Cap men are suppose to be the more traditional men of the zodiac so it isn't much of a surprise.click to expand
Please enlighten me how (The questions) it criticized modern women?
If you wanna see modern feminism in action just watch Naked & Afraid. One woman, one man with no clothing/protection out in the wilderness.
Day 1. "Yay were equals and Im just as strong and resilient as he is!"
Day 5. "We have no food and water and its all his fault! Man the fuck up and provide for me!!" -throws tantrum and lays around all day-
Now I've seen a few episodes where the woman can keep up or even carry the man, but its rare.
Day 1. "Yay were equals and Im just as strong and resilient as he is!"
Day 5. "We have no food and water and its all his fault! Man the fuck up and provide for me!!" -throws tantrum and lays around all day-
Now I've seen a few episodes where the woman can keep up or even carry the man, but its rare.
Posted by HemispheresAnd there it is.
If you wanna see modern feminism in action just watch Naked & Afraid. One woman, one man with no clothing/protection out in the wilderness.
Day 1. "Yay were equals and Im just as strong and resilient as he is!"
Day 5. "We have no food and water and its all his fault! Man the fuck up and provide for me!!" -throws tantrum and lays around all day-
Now I've seen a few episodes where the woman can keep up or even carry the man, but its rare.
What women fail to take into account is modern society is much more geared towards them than it was in the past. I don't see it as them being superior, but the skillsets women naturally posses are used more than brute strength and endurance.
Posted by HemispheresYet they gets called oppression somehow.
What women fail to take into account is modern society is much more geared towards them than it was in the past. I don't see it as them being superior, but the skillsets women naturally posses are used more than brute strength and endurance.
Posted by SirHornsThis guy gets it.Posted by HemispheresYe
What women fail to take into account is modern society is much more geared towards them than it was in the past. I don't see it as them being superior, but the skillsets women naturally posses are used more than brute strength and endurance.
t they gets called oppression somehow.click to expand
Posted by KatanaI see. Alright then.Posted by SirHornsMy response was a general observation not based on this thread.Posted by KatanaThis thread was made asking basic questions.Posted by LadyOfRebirthI've noticed it too and with some water sign men here as well.
Is it just me or is it mostly cap men criticising the modern woman?
Serious question.
Stereotypically, Cap men are suppose to be the more traditional men of the zodiac so it isn't much of a surprise.
Please enlighten me how (The questions) it criticized modern women?click to expand
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If Equalitarian also means the same thing, then the following questions come to mind.
-1] Why do we have two different labels for the same ideal/goal/belief.
-2] You always see a feminist support trying to label ANYONE who believes in gender equality as a feminist, yet you don't see that from equalitarian. Why is that?
-3] Apparently media makes feminists look "bad" somehow. If they stand by their words and actions, which ones are "bad" feminists or not "true" ones. If they're not "true" feminists, why do they still have power and influence as if they're leaders of the movement or spokespeople?
Please help us understand.