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University of Maryland professor Philip Cohen found that from 2008 to 2016, the U.S. divorce rate dropped by 18 percent. What's causing this downward trend? "The overall drop has been driven entirely by younger women," Cohen writes.

The study, which has not been published in a peer-reviewed journal, has been submitted for presentation at the 2019 Population Association of America meeting, an annual conference for demographers and sociologists to present research.

To measure the divorce rate, Cohen compared the number of divorces to married women. When controlling for other factors like an aging population, the results show only an 8 percent drop, "but the pattern is the same," Cohen notes.

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Since the 1990s, the prevalence of divorce for people under age 45 appears to level off, whereas it continues to rise for people over age 45, Cohen writes. He calls the drop "all the more remarkable" given that Americans have become more accepting of getting divorced and living together before marriage.

While the trend is notable, there are clear factors contributing to Millennials, ages 22-37, according to Pew Research, and some Gen X-er, ages 38-53, staying together.

"One of the reasons for the decline is that the married population is getting older and more highly educated," Cohen told Bloomberg. The study notes that newly married women are now "more likely to be in their first marriages, more likely to have BA degrees or higher education, less likely to be under age 25, and less likely to have own children in the household," which Cohen writes can all affect the risk of divorce.

Given these newly married couples are older and more highly educated, the study also predicts the divorce rate will continue to drop.

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However, these changing trends indicate that matrimony is becoming more exclusive in terms of socioeconomics.

"Marriage is more and more an achievement of status, rather than something that people do regardless of how they’re doing," Cohen told Bloomberg. Couples are waiting until they're more economically stable to marry, and some poorer Americans might not marry at all, the study suggests.

"The trends described here represent progress toward a system in which marriage is rarer, and more stable, than it was in the past, representing an increasingly central component of the structure of social inequality," Cohen writes.

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So who knew, higher education = fuck marriage

lol more or less

Its interesting though because the last few people in my life who have gotten married were with their parters 7 years, 9 years, and 12 years respectively. People aren't on the baby boomer timeline of getting married in under 2 years.

Its way smarter, you actually know the person and have time to experience life with them before making that commitment.

Well done millenials.
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.
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So who knew, higher education = fuck marriage

lol more or less

Its interesting though because the last few people in my life who have gotten married were with their parters 7 years, 9 years, and 12 years respectively. People aren't on the baby boomer timeline of getting married in under 2 years.

Its way smarter, you actually know the person and have time to experience life with them before making that commitment.

Well done millenials.

Fuck marriage? What? They said marriage was MORE likely and more stable with higher education... not less. So Higher Education = Fuck yes! Marriage!

Also, you're looking at the whole thing wrong anyways. There's also the statistics which show that being promiscuous and having children is associated with /less intelligence/. The more intelligent you are, the less you are mindlessly having sex and having sex just for fun. You're smart, so you can wait for a better reward. Such as exclusive monogamistic love where the person truly loves /you/.

In other words, the problem is Millenials because millenials are Thots and Fuckboys. Older generations were more puritanical and unaccepting of promiscuity and having sex with multiple partners.

But then you also get to the point of what I've been saying in all my rants and tirades. Which is that... you say it's smart. But I kind of see it as hypocritical. So you get to know the person longer? Okay, but if that means fucking other people inbetween then. Then you don't really love them and are more likely to cheat while trying to cover it up or the other person focuses on forgiveness because you've invested more time in it. In other words those longer term buildups deal with a lot more getting stuck with someone who doesn't really love you.

Which is another thing. This study is just painting a wide brush putting all marriages together like they are equal. Because Science doesn't recognize half of what I'm saying because that's about Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc. So it includes marriages that last forever, between people who are really sticking together by feeding off of hate. Or people who compromise themselves because they love the other person, but not the other way around.

Well anyways. It's all a joke to me. But if someone cheats or if you're consensual swingers. There's no love involved. You're just together for the sake of sticking together.
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What you think of the study though?
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.

@MacDaddyInfinite

what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy



Science don't care about your feelings.

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*prevalence, the Figure 3 shows prevalence, meaning anyone who happens to be divorced at the time/age group, if someone got divorced at age 27 during the 70s she will appear at the 18-34 during that time and them add up to the 35-44 the next decade along with anyone getting divorce at age 39, and that's why the 55+ is going up, more divorced people are getting old,so they add up, but they're not "getting divorced" now.

meanwhile, the rate of people getting divorced in the 20-40 age group seen to be getting lower, so the study predicts that, as you pointed out, as old people have a lower divorce rate, millenials will probably have a higher marriage prevalence than Gen X when they hit the 55+ group, there's no reason to imagine they will start divorcing all of a sudden.

HOWEVER, this is no study, only a paper, also not from a doc or anything, just some dude apparently, the use of a 2 years span (the 2008-10) for the divorce rate comparison smells fishy to me, how can I know this is no an exceptional time? some sort of spike, it was the market collapse, divorce and suicide are higher during economical distress, maybe someone needed to push for a conclusion? >.>

more importantly I don't see the interest on that, is not like a lack of marriage and therefore divorce has or will change anything, is just a bunch of legal stuff, without it about 40 percent of U.S. children born in 2016 had unmarried parents, more than double the percent of children born with unmarried parents in 1980, and 10 percentage points higher than in 1990.

https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/UNFPA_PUB_2018_EN_SWP.pdf

people are just not getting married, they're still doing the same business, who knows how the next-gen will end.
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.

@MacDaddyInfinite

what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy



Science don't care about your feelings.

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@_Dazed

*prevalence, the Figure 3 shows prevalence, meaning anyone who happens to be divorced at the time/age group, if someone got divorced at age 27 during the 70s she will appear at the 18-34 during that time and them add up to the 35-44 the next decade along with anyone getting divorce at age 39, and that's why the 55+ is going up, more divorced people are getting old,so they add up, but they're not "getting divorced" now.

meanwhile, the rate of people getting divorced in the 20-40 age group seen to be getting lower, so the study predicts that, as you pointed out, as old people have a lower divorce rate, millenials will probably have a higher marriage prevalence than Gen X when they hit the 55+ group, there's no reason to imagine they will start divorcing all of a sudden.

HOWEVER, this is no study, only a paper, also not from a doc or anything, just some dude apparently, the use of a 2 years span (the 2008-10) for the divorce rate comparison smells fishy to me, how can I know this is no an exceptional time? some sort of spike, it was the market collapse, divorce and suicide are higher during economical distress, maybe someone needed to push for a conclusion? >.>

more importantly I don't see the interest on that, is not like a lack of marriage and therefore divorce has or will change anything, is just a bunch of legal stuff, without it about 40 percent of U.S. children born in 2016 had unmarried parents, more than double the percent of children born with unmarried parents in 1980, and 10 percentage points higher than in 1990.

https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/UNFPA_PUB_2018_EN_SWP.pdf

people are just not getting married, they're still doing the same business, who knows how the next-gen will end.
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Did I look at table 1 incorrectly?

30+ years of marriage had the highest rate of divorce regardless of age.
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.

@MacDaddyInfinite

what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy



Science don't care about your feelings.

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@_Dazed

*prevalence, the Figure 3 shows prevalence, meaning anyone who happens to be divorced at the time/age group, if someone got divorced at age 27 during the 70s she will appear at the 18-34 during that time and them add up to the 35-44 the next decade along with anyone getting divorce at age 39, and that's why the 55+ is going up, more divorced people are getting old,so they add up, but they're not "getting divorced" now.

meanwhile, the rate of people getting divorced in the 20-40 age group seen to be getting lower, so the study predicts that, as you pointed out, as old people have a lower divorce rate, millenials will probably have a higher marriage prevalence than Gen X when they hit the 55+ group, there's no reason to imagine they will start divorcing all of a sudden.

HOWEVER, this is no study, only a paper, also not from a doc or anything, just some dude apparently, the use of a 2 years span (the 2008-10) for the divorce rate comparison smells fishy to me, how can I know this is no an exceptional time? some sort of spike, it was the market collapse, divorce and suicide are higher during economical distress, maybe someone needed to push for a conclusion? >.>

more importantly I don't see the interest on that, is not like a lack of marriage and therefore divorce has or will change anything, is just a bunch of legal stuff, without it about 40 percent of U.S. children born in 2016 had unmarried parents, more than double the percent of children born with unmarried parents in 1980, and 10 percentage points higher than in 1990.

https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/UNFPA_PUB_2018_EN_SWP.pdf

people are just not getting married, they're still doing the same business, who knows how the next-gen will end.
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I would like to see it compared to cohabiting, non-married couples imo
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.

@MacDaddyInfinite

what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy



Science don't care about your feelings.

--------------------------------------------------

@_Dazed

*prevalence, the Figure 3 shows prevalence, meaning anyone who happens to be divorced at the time/age group, if someone got divorced at age 27 during the 70s she will appear at the 18-34 during that time and them add up to the 35-44 the next decade along with anyone getting divorce at age 39, and that's why the 55+ is going up, more divorced people are getting old,so they add up, but they're not "getting divorced" now.

meanwhile, the rate of people getting divorced in the 20-40 age group seen to be getting lower, so the study predicts that, as you pointed out, as old people have a lower divorce rate, millenials will probably have a higher marriage prevalence than Gen X when they hit the 55+ group, there's no reason to imagine they will start divorcing all of a sudden.

HOWEVER, this is no study, only a paper, also not from a doc or anything, just some dude apparently, the use of a 2 years span (the 2008-10) for the divorce rate comparison smells fishy to me, how can I know this is no an exceptional time? some sort of spike, it was the market collapse, divorce and suicide are higher during economical distress, maybe someone needed to push for a conclusion? >.>

more importantly I don't see the interest on that, is not like a lack of marriage and therefore divorce has or will change anything, is just a bunch of legal stuff, without it about 40 percent of U.S. children born in 2016 had unmarried parents, more than double the percent of children born with unmarried parents in 1980, and 10 percentage points higher than in 1990.

https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/UNFPA_PUB_2018_EN_SWP.pdf

people are just not getting married, they're still doing the same business, who knows how the next-gen will end.


I would like to see it compared to cohabiting, non-married couples imo
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I would like to see that comparison, would probably be more "fair" but how can someone get such data, self reporting is always full of people BS, asking how many did have a "serious RS" and then after years of being together they split, that's almost as getting divorced at your mid 20s, would people report that?

"Did I look at table 1 incorrectly? 30+ years of marriage had the highest rate of divorce regardless of age"

honestly I don't understand that table either, it says "Married or newly-divorced women" so not sure what it means (maybe the amount of women that were married for 30 years?) but I doubt that's the rate, AFAIK 60 percent of all divorces involve individuals aged 25 to 39, so its impossible it will be people in their 50s

https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/
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what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy

Science don't care about your feelings.

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How am I stupid, when you're basically just saying what I said? Specifically:

Marriage is a formality, it has jack all to do with love. Millenials are just more honest in admitting that all they really want is pussy/cock and money. So they pretend less, they don't let themselves fall into farce marriages in the first place.

The ones who do marry, are the ones who think they're clever and able to pretend in a roundabout way. They're the ones saying "Yes of course I love my marriage partner... even though I "selected" them by a process of standards of Looks and Wealth which means I love Things rather than a Person."
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you're stupid because you're assuming that "Older generations were more puritanical and unaccepting of promiscuity and having sex with multiple partners" yet you and other people have absolutely no evidence of such thing except some outrageous empirical "evidence" ALSO assuming that people who are not married are "fucking other people inbetween then" saying "because millenials are Thots and Fuckboys"

not even gonna mention the fact that you did go talking about "true love" whatever the fuck that means, and you equate that to monogamy, like if you're the love judge to say that swinger have no love involved, what do you know about them?

also

millennials are having less sex than other gens:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2016/08/16/millennials-are-having-less-sex-than-other-gens-but-experts-say-its-probably-fine/#3cac081cd958

and if you don't believe it.

twentysomethings have a lower birthrate than any previous generation:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/millenials-not-having-babies/391721/

info from "Archives of Sexual Behavior"
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I will say this.. (After reading the study)

I'm not denying the fall in divorce rate across the board, but the study is a bit misleading.

Up into the 90's, 55+ had the lowest divorce rate, but still with all age ranges on a steady incline in rate of divorce. Yes, <55+ have more or less started to level off since the 90's, but the 55+ continues with a steady incline. This means that across all age ranges, divorce is occurring at a much later age. Table 1 shows a 30% divorce rate for 30+ years of marriage. Figure 4 helps put this into perspective also. The divorce rate drops significantly with older age, but the divorce rate for older ages is still steadily increasing.

This study has been concluded prematurely. The 18-44 year old groups need to be followed up on into their 55+ years of age, over the next couple of decades.

Right now, we can't really say that divorce rates are dropping. Only that divorce rates are happening A LOT further into the marriage itself.

@MacDaddyInfinite

what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy



Science don't care about your feelings.

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@_Dazed

*prevalence, the Figure 3 shows prevalence, meaning anyone who happens to be divorced at the time/age group, if someone got divorced at age 27 during the 70s she will appear at the 18-34 during that time and them add up to the 35-44 the next decade along with anyone getting divorce at age 39, and that's why the 55+ is going up, more divorced people are getting old,so they add up, but they're not "getting divorced" now.

meanwhile, the rate of people getting divorced in the 20-40 age group seen to be getting lower, so the study predicts that, as you pointed out, as old people have a lower divorce rate, millenials will probably have a higher marriage prevalence than Gen X when they hit the 55+ group, there's no reason to imagine they will start divorcing all of a sudden.

HOWEVER, this is no study, only a paper, also not from a doc or anything, just some dude apparently, the use of a 2 years span (the 2008-10) for the divorce rate comparison smells fishy to me, how can I know this is no an exceptional time? some sort of spike, it was the market collapse, divorce and suicide are higher during economical distress, maybe someone needed to push for a conclusion? >.>

more importantly I don't see the interest on that, is not like a lack of marriage and therefore divorce has or will change anything, is just a bunch of legal stuff, without it about 40 percent of U.S. children born in 2016 had unmarried parents, more than double the percent of children born with unmarried parents in 1980, and 10 percentage points higher than in 1990.

https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/UNFPA_PUB_2018_EN_SWP.pdf

people are just not getting married, they're still doing the same business, who knows how the next-gen will end.


I would like to see it compared to cohabiting, non-married couples imo

I would like to see that comparison, would probably be more "fair" but how can someone get such data, self reporting is always full of people BS, asking how many did have a "serious RS" and then after years of being together they split, that's almost as getting divorced at your mid 20s, would people report that?

"Did I look at table 1 incorrectly? 30+ years of marriage had the highest rate of divorce regardless of age"

honestly I don't understand that table either, it says "Married or newly-divorced women" so not sure what it means (maybe the amount of women that were married for 30 years?) but I doubt that's the rate, AFAIK 60 percent of all divorces involve individuals aged 25 to 39, so its impossible it will be people in their 50s

https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/
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I'll check out your link tomorrow, but yeah.. the study seems flawed. It sounds like a loosely fitting correlation mixed with a lot of subjective bias.

Like you said.. "self-reporting" rarely works the way you think it should. To have accurate controls in this study, you'd have to have a population of people that you followed from marriage to divorce, while also accounting for things like finances, mental health, upbringing, etc..
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what a stupid piece of rant, you got there.

if your "Love, Morality, Values, Personal Priorities, etc" depends on getting a marriage certificate, well, that's on you buddy

Science don't care about your feelings.

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How am I stupid, when you're basically just saying what I said? Specifically:

Marriage is a formality, it has jack all to do with love. Millenials are just more honest in admitting that all they really want is pussy/cock and money. So they pretend less, they don't let themselves fall into farce marriages in the first place.

The ones who do marry, are the ones who think they're clever and able to pretend in a roundabout way. They're the ones saying "Yes of course I love my marriage partner... even though I "selected" them by a process of standards of Looks and Wealth which means I love Things rather than a Person."

you're stupid because you're assuming that "Older generations were more puritanical and unaccepting of promiscuity and having sex with multiple partners" yet you and other people have absolutely no evidence of such thing except some outrageous empirical "evidence" ALSO assuming that people who are not married are "fucking other people inbetween then" saying "because millenials are Thots and Fuckboys"

not even gonna mention the fact that you did go talking about "true love" whatever the fuck that means, and you equate that to monogamy, like if you're the love judge to say that swinger have no love involved, what do you know about them?

also

millennials are having less sex than other gens:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2016/08/16/millennials-are-having-less-sex-than-other-gens-but-experts-say-its-probably-fine/#3cac081cd958

and if you don't believe it.

twentysomethings have a lower birthrate than any previous generation:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/millenials-not-having-babies/391721/

info from "Archives of Sexual Behavior"
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Don't bother. Libra sun + Pisces moon + too much plasma donated = fucked in the head + overcompensation for ..........everything

He still thinks "internet relationships" are real relationships. That's a whole level above imaginary tea parties.

And lol he's apparently embarrassed of his bisexuality, and can't handle it when I use laughing gifs of WOMEN - because I'm apparently not supposed to cuz I'm a proud dick-sucka.

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