OMG David Bowie bullshit stuff

I know the poor man has died but this chick I know has posted on Facebook that he statutorily raped a 13year old when he was 25, I agree that it's not his greatest moment but the heat hadn't even left his body before this bitch chose to be a keyboard warrior about it. I think about what I was like at 13 and I do admit I would be way too young at 13 to have sex because of my maturity level, if this bitch who's is causing such a stink about the whole thing is such a feminist why the fuck doesn't she take the young girls feelings, actions and responsibility into account?? What if she loved David Bowie? Why bring it up now that he's dead why didn't she petition to put his ass in jail when he's alive?! Rant over...

P.s I just really hate the bitch who posted her rant because she's a vegan, non binary, feminist who really gets on my fucking nerves!!!

Well a famous person raped me once.

Can I have free money now?

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
I know the poor man has died but this chick I know has posted on Facebook that he statutorily raped a 13year old when he was 25, I agree that it's not his greatest moment but the heat hadn't even left his body before this bitch chose to be a keyboard warrior about it. I think about what I was like at 13 and I do admit I would be way too young at 13 to have sex because of my maturity level, if this bitch who's is causing such a stink about the whole thing is such a feminist why the fuck doesn't she take the young girls feelings, actions and responsibility into account?? What if she loved David Bowie? Why bring it up now that he's dead why didn't she petition to put his ass in jail when he's alive?! Rant over...

P.s I just really hate the bitch who posted her rant because she's a vegan, non binary, feminist who really gets on my fucking nerves!!!

She's not a feminist, sorry. She's just some social justice warrior bitch that has no idea.

That's the trend, lately- social justice under the guise of feminism. It's not feminism, plain and simple.

She sounds like an air headed idiot with her head in the clouds, tbh.

Also, no common sense or tact- everything is a soap box for her nonsensical logic and "causes."

Regardless of whether or not she is a feminist, what he did was wrong. The fact that you can't see that is really disturbing me more than her pissy post on facebook. I get that you're angry with her, but at the end of the day men in power raping young children is an actual issue that needs to be spoken about. Even if it is at the expense of the dead celebrity.

If you really don't like her that much, that's perfectly fine. Unfriend her! Sometimes feminist can be annoying. But to diminish the actual happening of rape because of that... Come on. If David bowie wasnt a musician, he would just be another dead white man.

I really don't get with the attention surrounding his passing. I mean rest in peace, he was a human being, but what the fuck.

Not trying to be confrontational, I'm just saying.

Ok I was wrong, she was 14 years old not 13!

In California (where it happened) 18 is the consensual age of sex and he broke the law whereas Canada at the time 14 is the age so it's subjective depending where you live, yes he broke the law but people break it every day smoking weed and no one bats an eyelid.

And you think he abused his power at 25years old he's just human, does it make him a monster? No

Another thing is that statutory rape defined is consensual sex from a minor and a lot of bitches hear the Word rape instantly smell blood in the water and go into a frenzy screaming rape, well here's something to consider, putting something in a category that's completely different to the other devaluizes the other, statutory rape is not to be confused with rape and it often does when people pick up their torches and pitchforks.

Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

Posted by Magenta_Azure
Regardless of whether or not she is a feminist, what he did was wrong. The fact that you can't see that is really disturbing me more than her pissy post on facebook. I get that you're angry with her, but at the end of the day men in power raping young children is an actual issue that needs to be spoken about. Even if it is at the expense of the dead celebrity.

If you really don't like her that much, that's perfectly fine. Unfriend her! Sometimes militant feminists can be annoying. But to diminish the actual happening of rape because of that... Come on. If David bowie wasnt a musician, he would just be another dead white man.

Fixed.

Her rant had nothing to do with feminism. He just threw it in there to add further insult and to make her sound more annoying.

A gay boy bashing on the concept of feminism.... Not shocking, tbh. You'd be amazed how many gay guys are as guilty of chauvinism and sexist mindsets as straight guys are. It's quite disturbing if you think about it.

But agreed overall. It is an issue and something that happens a lot in Hollywood/entertainment industry. It is tacky to dig it back up after he died, but it's the truth. You think Cosby is going to get the same consideration when he goes? Nope. Just because someone died doesn't absolve them of any bad they did in life. It IS impolite to speak ill of the dead, but it doesn't mean denying and ignoring anything shitty they were guilty of while alive.

The OP just sounds like he's being catty and bitchy because he flat out doesn't like the girl, so it just made her bs more irritating to him. Also agreed- freaking unfriend her. I don't understand why people keep those who they dislike on social media. Talk about being one big ol' fake fuck. He's no better than she is with her tacky ranting, tbh.

Posted by Magenta_Azure
Regardless of whether or not she is a feminist, what he did was wrong. The fact that you can't see that is really disturbing me more than her pissy post on facebook. I get that you're angry with her, but at the end of the day men in power raping young children is an actual issue that needs to be spoken about. Even if it is at the expense of the dead celebrity.

If you really don't like her that much, that's perfectly fine. Unfriend her! Sometimes feminist can be annoying. But to diminish the actual happening of rape because of that... Come on. If David bowie wasnt a musician, he would just be another dead white man.

You're right it does need to be talked about, but to bring it up once his dead is pointless to me, I agree just let him rest in peace and move on to the kids that NEED "feminist" attention whoreing

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Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

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It's still gross, predatory behavior, dear.

Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol I just can't with this fukery!

Then fuck off and then some

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Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11

Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

It's still gross, predatory behavior, dear.

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Yep absolutely! Your female point is duly noted, moving on.

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Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

It's still gross, predatory behavior, dear.

Yep absolutely! Your female point is duly noted, moving on.

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And you're dismissive why? It doesn't fit your bitch fest? So sorry you dislike the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angelina-chapin/why-talking-about-bowies-sexual-misconduct-matters_b_9009230.html

Here's more. Have fun.

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Posted by Magenta_Azure
Regardless of whether or not she is a feminist, what he did was wrong. The fact that you can't see that is really disturbing me more than her pissy post on facebook. I get that you're angry with her, but at the end of the day men in power raping young children is an actual issue that needs to be spoken about. Even if it is at the expense of the dead celebrity.

If you really don't like her that much, that's perfectly fine. Unfriend her! Sometimes militant feminists can be annoying. But to diminish the actual happening of rape because of that... Come on. If David bowie wasnt a musician, he would just be another dead white man.

Fixed.

Her rant had nothing to do with feminism. He just threw it in there to add further insult and to make her sound more annoying.

A gay boy bashing on the concept of feminism.... Not shocking, tbh. You'd be amazed how many gay guys are as guilty of chauvinism and sexist mindsets as straight guys are. It's quite disturbing if you think about it.

But agreed overall. It is an issue and something that happens a lot in Hollywood/entertainment industry. It is tacky to dig it back up after he died, but it's the truth. You think Cosby is going to get the same consideration when he goes? Nope. Just because someone died doesn't absolve them of any bad they did in life. It IS impolite to speak ill of the dead, but it doesn't mean denying and ignoring anything shitty they were guilty of while alive.

The OP just sounds like he's being catty and bitchy because he flat out doesn't like the girl, so it just made her bs more irritating to him. Also agreed- freaking unfriend her. I don't understand why people keep those who they dislike on social media. Talk about being one big ol' fake fuck. He's no better than she is with her tacky ranting, tbh.

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I was a feminist before any chick my age was, I hold women in high regard actually and expect a lot from them but bashing men is just tacky and really puts them on the same level as them.

I'm actually not friends with the bitch she unfriend end me because when she "came out" as non binary I rolled my eyes at the bitch because she gave me shit for my "gay" mannerisms once and called her out on her shit.

A gay friend of mine ran into me in the street today and brought it up actually and I looked it up and was disgusted to see what her and her rabid followers were devising. That's all.

n example of statutory rape, in which the young person involved calls their experience "beautiful", is not the same action as rape, in which a person harmfully dominates the will of another person for their own gratification. There's no truthful meaning in using the word rape for two polar opposite behaviours.

In Canada at that time, that action wasn't illegal, as the legal age was 14. So, according to the Canadian perspectives at that time, it wasn't statutory rape.

The term statutory rape is openly ideological, and does little to express what actually happened. When someone is said to have raped someone, there's a pretty hefty understanding of what happened. When it's statutory rape, that understanding doesn't necessarily apply, and in the case of David Bowie, it is very clear that the term does not. Something isn't a big deal because it was illegal (there are people smoking pot, and exceeding the speed law evey minute of the day), it's a big deal if it did or caused something significant.

If you use rape do describe all diametric encounters, positive and negative , harmful and consenting then you devalue the meaning and significance of it,

David Caulfield

What I wanted to write.....

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Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

It's still gross, predatory behavior, dear.

Yep absolutely! Your female point is duly noted, moving on.

And you're dismissive why? It doesn't fit your bitch fest? So sorry you dislike the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angelina-chapin/why-talking-about-bowies-sexual-misconduct-matters_b_9009230.html

Here's more. Have fun.

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I don't dislike the truth sweetie but if you're going to condescend to me hunny pie then don't stop there

Anyways the rant is over, I got the bile out let's call it a day then, though I look forward to the next one

The woman's account of it is here:

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

Good read

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Posted by SensitiveBlues
Lol he raped a girl and you got his back?

Boy you do need a therapist

Had he raped her in the sense of the word I would have gutted him, you're twisting words already u moron STATUTORY rape is different to RAPE

It's still gross, predatory behavior, dear.

Yep absolutely! Your female point is duly noted, moving on.

And you're dismissive why? It doesn't fit your bitch fest? So sorry you dislike the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angelina-chapin/why-talking-about-bowies-sexual-misconduct-matters_b_9009230.html

Here's more. Have fun.

I don't dislike the truth sweetie but if you're going to condescend to me hunny pie then don't stop there

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Oh shut it. Your gay diva thing is old meme

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
Good read

I thought so too. It really brings you into the world that she experienced back then, and she's okay with it years later, which is important even if others don't agree with her choice.

In case anyone missed my posted link before, here it is again:


https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

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Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
Good read

I thought so too. It really brings you into the world that she experienced back then, and she's okay with it years later, which is important even if others don't agree with her choice.

In case anyone missed my posted link before, here it is again:


https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

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i'm glad that in those articles there is a big difference;

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their high profiles to sexually abuse women, are currently before the legal system.

Obviously, Bowie is not in the same league as Bill Cosby, if only because Mattix, known as one of the famous "baby groupies," doesn't seem remotely unhappy about her experiences with Bowie. They were both part of the '70s rock star scene on L.A's Sunset Strip, where blowjobs and quaaludes were given out like handshakes. Mattix looks back fondly on the experience, calling it "beautiful" in a recent interview with Thrillist. She looks back less fondly on her relationship with Jimmy Page, who allegedly kidnapped and locked her up in a hotel room
from rocky's link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/angelina-chapin/why-talking-about-bowies-sexual-misconduct-matters_b_9009230.html


so many young girls dream of being with an idol. it's their goal (at least short term for them) and once they got it, they're gonna feel like on HEAVEN and it's written in their diary, secret whispers and giggles to their girlfriends...that kind of thing. I can only imagine!!!

and i didnt know Jimmy page locked someone in a room? O__O jeez. that's against free will.

the difference is, the girl with bowie WANTED to be with him.

but i do understand he has an OBLIGATION. bowie at the time probably was on drugs and also the atmosphere can promote alot of influence and heavy feelings and fun.

although, no one has time to ask,"hey gimme your identification" or hey, you look too young, 'i can't trust that. You need to leave. this is no place for minors."

no one is going to go around doing that?? in a roomful of people getting high. It kind of cock-blocks alot.

which is in all honesty should happen.

there should have been a mother hen there cock-blocking the young girls from the older men.

i really respect alot of older guys when they know you are too young and they keep a distance.

but when you're high and listening to music and wanting FEEL others...kind of like being on drugs (what's that drug again? exctascy—) that makes you want to feel others.....they can't help themselves!!! (never took them in my life)

so you listen to the music and take the drugs and you are riding on a magic carpet ride....the guy sings, close your eyes girl, come i'll take you on a magic carpet ride away from all this pain and heartache, and i'll make you feel goood and happy......

In that era, parents gave consent, which makes sex legal.

If the parent of a 14 year old gave consent to have sex with their child, then a man of 25 is within his legal right.

That is ..... 40 years ago.



Women/girls were much more mature. Now-a-days, women are so immature that they want to claim that they shouldn't be held accountable for themselves until age 25 .... back then, by 14, a female was a woman, and acted like an adult.

Unless you lived then, and have personal experience of such ... then words here amount to ......



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Posted by lisabethur8
the difference is, the girl with bowie WANTED to be with him.

Yes, the girl was a groupie and it was consensual.

Shit like this is a dime a dozen in the music industry. He's not the first and certainly hasn't been the last.

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i know what you mean.

but lots of people dont understand that kind of lifestyle, they would never imagine!!!!

i think many of them need magic carpet rides. lol

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Posted by lisabethur8
the difference is, the girl with bowie WANTED to be with him.

Yes, the girl was a groupie and it was consensual.

Shit like this is a dime a dozen in the music industry. He's not the first and certainly hasn't been the last.

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this is WHY young girls keep it SECRET....

cause then they get harassed by lots of people....

Posted by Magenta_Azure
I really don't get with the attention surrounding his passing. I mean rest in peace, he was a human being, but what the fuck.

I feel exactly the same.

Posted by Gobshite
Now THIS is sick and deeply shocking:

Paedophile rock star Ian Watkins was told he had "plumbed new depths of depravity" as he was jailed for 35 years for a string of horrific child sex offences including the attempted rape of a baby.

After sexually touching a groupie's baby son, Watkins then tried to rape the child.

He also encouraged a second fan to abuse her child during a webcam chat and secretly stashed child porn videos, some of which he had made himself.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10525740/Paedophile-rock-star-Ian-Watkins-jailed-for-35-years.html

that guy is mentally sick and disgusting. he went to prison i see (from Wikipedia accounts and is serving for a long time.) actually it says 29 years, that's not long though, while many get life sentences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets)

Posted by Gobshite
In a Thrillist piece entitled, I Lost My Virginity To David Bowie: Confessions of a ‘70s Groupie, Lori Mattix recalls a sexual encounter with Bowie when she was only 14 years old.

“He focused his famously two-colored eyes on me and said, ‘Lori, darling, can you come with me?’” Mattix recalled. “He walked me through his bedroom and into the bathroom, where he dropped his kimono. He got into the tub, already filled with water, and asked me to wash him. Of course I did. Then he escorted me into the bedroom, gently took off my clothes, and de-virginized me.”


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/fionola-meredith/david-bowie-no-hero-for-sleeping-with-kids-but-he-was-no-gary-glitter-either-34385617.html


What made the whole thing even more complicated was that Maddox, inconveniently for some, clearly did not consider herself a victim. "You need to understand that I didn't think of myself as under-age," she said. "I was a model. I was in love. That time of my life was so much fun. It was a period in which everything seemed possible. I saw the greatest music ever. I got to hang out with some of the most amazing, most beautiful, most charismatic men in the world. Am I going to regret this? No."


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/fionola-meredith/david-bowie-no-hero-for-sleeping-with-kids-but-he-was-no-gary-glitter-either-34385617.html

the thng is...these girls should keep everything secret. Because people just dont understand so they think nasty thoughts and evil ones.

it wasn't rape. But people are going to be judgmental and think bad bad things about people's morals.

and i wonder why they bother to publicize their experiences with an idol they love— why? the majority of people in the world are not so forgiving...

Posted by CopperDove
The woman's account of it is here:

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

I can't find my words right now.

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Posted by Rambunctious76
I can never understand people who wait till someone dies before they say anything.

If you don't have the balls to stand up to them when they're alive, what good are you when they're gone?

Cowards

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Doesn't appear it was a secret. The article Dove posted is dated Nov 2015.

Posted by wecarealot
Wait a minute, I just read the rest of the comments here...

WOW. Some of y'all are really defending him sleeping with a teenager? She was a CHILD, and children cannot consent to sex. Whether or not she's okay with it now is beside the point. Whether or not it was common back then is beside the point. Whether or not it's common in the music industry (you guys DO realize how many depraved motherfuckers are in the entertainment industry, right?) is beside the point. She was 14 YEARS OLD, and he was in his mid-20's. Who cares if it was common/they were on drugs/she is okay with it, etc.? It is screwed up for a fully grown adult to be having sex with someone that young.

i thought she was 15? i can't tell anymore lol

well it's more forgivable to me, than if he were a rapist or a cruel abusive father who beat his kids and wife, or locked them up.

he was just a guy who was swept up in the times of all the hype of drugs and sex, and asking for identification wasn't an issue then.

it's just how it is.

and she said she LOVED it and never regretted it!!! some girls mature fast *shrug*

i mean come on, are you all angels yourselves?? 😕

Posted by jukey
Many public figures have these private shortcomings that really put a dent in our minds of how to rationalize further liking their work. Some can detach from the person and still admire their work; some drop it altogether. I don't have an answer, just acknowledging it's a mind treetrunk.

naw.....that guy who is a child molestor ian whatever his name is...that's not forgivable.

but i know if we're all super religious. that too should be forgiven.

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Posted by lisabethur8
and she said she LOVED it and never regretted it!!! some girls mature fast *shrug*

I don't care how you spin it, no 14 year old matures fast enough to have a sexual relationship with a grown man. That's exactly the justification that people use that lets predators off the hook. The time period in which this happened may have included a lot of accepted recreational drug use, but so what? Men have been preying after young girls since the Neanderthals were bopping each other on the head in caves. And over time, we've realized how fucked up that is. Statutory rape laws are in place precisely because of the large differences in mental and emotional maturity in adults and young teens.

And again, I would take the "she LOVED it" testimony with a huge grain of salt. People who have been abused and/or manipulated can still have warm feelings for the person who hurt them. I wouldn't be the least surprised if a teenage girl was ecstatic to sleep with a rockstar. Still doesn't make it right.

Think about it like this--rockstar or not, would you raise an eyebrow if you noticed a 20-something year old man pursuing girls who were freshman in high school. If you saw a 25 year old guy--mature or not--dating a 14 year old (which could be 8th grade), would you be okay with that?

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whats the big issue now— it was done a long time ago. why do people like to dig up his past when he's lived a good life, the kind of life he wanted.

like warriors looking for a fight over other people's long ago choices.

well NOW adays....no way.....everything is sooooo damned strict, like a stick up the butt.

no one can live and let live anymore. So the days of the rock and rolling and drugs and sex and rocking and rollling are gone. It was an ERA that was all about experimental and drug use...(so weird that it was pluto virgo!!! generation too!!! when it started?? very pisces/virgo axis!!)

O__O

oh wait. was it pluto leo? i will have to check. lol

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Posted by lisabethur8
and she said she LOVED it and never regretted it!!! some girls mature fast *shrug*

I don't care how you spin it, no 14 year old matures fast enough to have a sexual relationship with a grown man. That's exactly the justification that people use that lets predators off the hook. The time period in which this happened may have included a lot of accepted recreational drug use, but so what? Men have been preying after young girls since the Neanderthals were bopping each other on the head in caves. And over time, we've realized how fucked up that is. Statutory rape laws are in place precisely because of the large differences in mental and emotional maturity in adults and young teens.

And again, I would take the "she LOVED it" testimony with a huge grain of salt. People who have been abused and/or manipulated can still have warm feelings for the person who hurt them. I wouldn't be the least surprised if a teenage girl was ecstatic to sleep with a rockstar. Still doesn't make it right.

Think about it like this--rockstar or not, would you raise an eyebrow if you noticed a 20-something year old man pursuing girls who were freshman in high school. If you saw a 25 year old guy--mature or not--dating a 14 year old (which could be 8th grade), would you be okay with that?

I don't know about Lisabeth, but Finbuff would be okay with it LOL!

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some peeps need some WHITE RABBIT! 😛

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Posted by lisabethur8
and she said she LOVED it and never regretted it!!! some girls mature fast *shrug*

I don't care how you spin it, no 14 year old matures fast enough to have a sexual relationship with a grown man. That's exactly the justification that people use that lets predators off the hook. The time period in which this happened may have included a lot of accepted recreational drug use, but so what? Men have been preying after young girls since the Neanderthals were bopping each other on the head in caves. And over time, we've realized how fucked up that is. Statutory rape laws are in place precisely because of the large differences in mental and emotional maturity in adults and young teens.

And again, I would take the "she LOVED it" testimony with a huge grain of salt. People who have been abused and/or manipulated can still have warm feelings for the person who hurt them. I wouldn't be the least surprised if a teenage girl was ecstatic to sleep with a rockstar. Still doesn't make it right.

Think about it like this--rockstar or not, would you raise an eyebrow if you noticed a 20-something year old man pursuing girls who were freshman in high school. If you saw a 25 year old guy--mature or not--dating a 14 year old (which could be 8th grade), would you be okay with that?

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She says several times in the interview something like, "You need to understand I'm very special. I've always been special."

Sounds like something a brainwashed sex slave would say. 😢

looks its my point of view. If you want to shine your light on this incident as fucked up when this girl/woman doesn't then that's your problem, it happened ages ago and I find it pathetic that it's being dug up now..

I find it annoying that people don't listen to what this girl is saying as if she has no voice of the matter, if she said she was ready then she was and that was her experience and her story which doesn't have to apply to everyone else's because we are all different cases."...but like I said it was in the past now and the laws and culture don't allow that to happen now as were in a completely different time, a time where people freak out about stupid shit and scream rape all the time.