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Pain is Inevitable. Suffering is..
Posted by Sith_Rogen"True" or "False"
I hate you
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaI can't keep my answer to one word, so I won't answer.
*crosses arms*
Fine. Answer using more words.
Sufferings is optional true
Pain is not always inevitable so false
Fuck your stupid ass lol
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaI can't keep my answer to one word, so I won't answer.
*crosses arms*
Fine. Answer using more words.
I started to answer, but then I decided I don't know. It might be possible to mind-over-matter your way out of most if not all pain, but the mental fortitude required may not be reachable by all people...I don't know.
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Disregard the pain portion and focus on the suffering.
Posted by justagirlFuck your stupid ass lol
wut
Posted by _DazedPosted by justagirlFuck your stupid ass lol
wut
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You wut me, I k you.
K
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaI can't keep my answer to one word, so I won't answer.
*crosses arms*
Fine. Answer using more words.
I started to answer, but then I decided I don't know. It might be possible to mind-over-matter your way out of most if not all pain, but the mental fortitude required may not be reachable by all people...I don't know.
Disregard the pain portion and focus on the suffering.
Suffering is just having a negative response to pain, right? I can see how mental hygiene could help us move on from pain without suffering if the pain stimulus is something that happens and then stops. It's harder to imagine how that works for someone who can't escape continuing pain stimuli.
But I know what you're really asking about, and the answer is acceptance.
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Does it differ if you made the decision vs the decision being made for you?
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaPosted by _DazedPosted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaI can't keep my answer to one word, so I won't answer.
*crosses arms*
Fine. Answer using more words.
I started to answer, but then I decided I don't know. It might be possible to mind-over-matter your way out of most if not all pain, but the mental fortitude required may not be reachable by all people...I don't know.
Disregard the pain portion and focus on the suffering.
Suffering is just having a negative response to pain, right? I can see how mental hygiene could help us move on from pain without suffering if the pain stimulus is something that happens and then stops. It's harder to imagine how that works for someone who can't escape continuing pain stimuli.
But I know what you're really asking about, and the answer is acceptance.
Does it differ if you made the decision vs the decision being made for you?
Not really. I'm a ruminator by nature, so I tend to torment myself for a while either way.
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In private or the public eye?
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollFalse, but it doesn’t last.
Taurus moon
Leo Venus
Cancer mars
Elaborate.
Posted by CreamyPVcupFalse
Elaborate.
Depends on the suffering
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
Posted by Dread_Pirate_PhantaStress doesn't kill, by the way. The Happiness Project determined that.
What's that?
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
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Pain is physical in biological terms.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
Pain is physical in biological terms.
Pain is controlled by the brain so pain can also be mental.
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You should try out for the mental gymnastics team.
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by _DazedPosted by AliensusedourbogrollFalse, but it doesn’t last.
Taurus moon
Leo Venus
Cancer mars
Elaborate.
Well I think suffering is a human reaction to pain but pain doesn’t last and neither does the suffering. And if the suffering does continue it means you need help (or you’re enjoying it).
Most water signs enjoy suffering.
I don’t know why but I watch YouTube videos of people taking their pets to be put down. It hits me right in my feels. That emotional pain, the welling of tears in my eyes........... I can’t explain it.
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I put Stubbs down on April 5, 2020. I cried like a baby.
I'm not crying anymore.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
Pain is physical in biological terms.
Pain is controlled by the brain so pain can also be mental.
You should try out for the mental gymnastics team.
Are you calling me stupid, look pain is can both be physical and emotional - so yeah it's not optional! it's a chemical reaction!
That means suffering is part of our DNA
now you can go back to your hole and stfu. thank you
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What's the DNA sequence?
Posted by cakeNot always the case.
Elaborate.
True..
Cancer/Pisces/Gemini
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
Pain is physical in biological terms.
Pain is controlled by the brain so pain can also be mental.
You should try out for the mental gymnastics team.
Are you calling me stupid, look pain is can both be physical and emotional - so yeah it's not optional! it's a chemical reaction!
That means suffering is part of our DNA
now you can go back to your hole and stfu. thank you
What's the DNA sequence?
Id gather multiple and that it's not as easy to decipher since pain/suffering is associated with so many things including environmental - but soon enough they'll figure it out.
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They've already figured it out. I'm wanting you to explain it to me.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Most people can't accept.
so then its not optional- its a chemical reaction to a situation - that means its biological
CASE MADE
I WON. LAWYERED.
Accepting is more a spiritual process that needs to be taught. It's part of life. For that, it takes time.
Accepting is a process where we calm our emotions and mind - yes you are correct- but with most of us not having access or wanting to take time out for the process - suffering increases.
Honestly technology is making it worse.
If you don't want to take time out of the process it's still a choice. You choose the road of suffering instead of taking care of yourself.
Technology can also be of help. Like the app Wysa, that guides people with different kind of grief to move forward.
If it was so easy would we have so many drug addicts/homeless people? You think people don't want to take care of it - do you know if you're depressed and than on top of that suffering how that can handicap you.
ya'll detached signs need to get out of this thread ASAP
also we all know LEO moons can detach like nothing else. Stop not everyone is like you
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As an addict w/depression.. you have to want to get help. The only handicap is yourself.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
Pain is physical in biological terms.
Pain is controlled by the brain so pain can also be mental.
You should try out for the mental gymnastics team.
Are you calling me stupid, look pain is can both be physical and emotional - so yeah it's not optional! it's a chemical reaction!
That means suffering is part of our DNA
now you can go back to your hole and stfu. thank you
What's the DNA sequence?
Id gather multiple and that it's not as easy to decipher since pain/suffering is associated with so many things including environmental - but soon enough they'll figure it out.
They've already figured it out. I'm wanting you to explain it to me.
Have they? I read they still haven't but why don't you explain to me. Since you're so concerned about the DNA Sequence of Suffering.
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Post what you read.
Posted by cakePosted by _DazedPosted by cakeNot always the case.
Elaborate.
Some people live in poor conditions, abused or bullied. Sometimes, those circumstances are inescapable.
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What about in an instance where it is their choosing?
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Most people can't accept.
so then its not optional- its a chemical reaction to a situation - that means its biological
CASE MADE
I WON. LAWYERED.
Accepting is more a spiritual process that needs to be taught. It's part of life. For that, it takes time.
Accepting is a process where we calm our emotions and mind - yes you are correct- but with most of us not having access or wanting to take time out for the process - suffering increases.
Honestly technology is making it worse.
If you don't want to take time out of the process it's still a choice. You choose the road of suffering instead of taking care of yourself.
Technology can also be of help. Like the app Wysa, that guides people with different kind of grief to move forward.
If it was so easy would we have so many drug addicts/homeless people? You think people don't want to take care of it - do you know if you're depressed and than on top of that suffering how that can handicap you.
ya'll detached signs need to get out of this thread ASAP
also we all know LEO moons can detach like nothing else. Stop not everyone is like you
As an addict w/depression.. you have to want to get help. The only handicap is yourself.
Do you mean yourself as in your brain - the handicap is your brain? isn't that a biological problem!
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Physiological. But more so psychological.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Jebus suffered and died so we don't have to.
You can't always control the mind or mental state- so this is a biological reaction to pain- thus its human so yeah now you can stfu
Pain is physical in biological terms.
Pain is controlled by the brain so pain can also be mental.
You should try out for the mental gymnastics team.
Are you calling me stupid, look pain is can both be physical and emotional - so yeah it's not optional! it's a chemical reaction!
That means suffering is part of our DNA
now you can go back to your hole and stfu. thank you
What's the DNA sequence?
Id gather multiple and that it's not as easy to decipher since pain/suffering is associated with so many things including environmental - but soon enough they'll figure it out.
They've already figured it out. I'm wanting you to explain it to me.
Have they? I read they still haven't but why don't you explain to me. Since you're so concerned about the DNA Sequence of Suffering.
Post what you read.
Is there a ‘pain gene’?
A pain gene has been described as ‘a gene for which there are one or more polymorphisms that affect the expression or the functioning of its protein product in a way that affects pain response’.9 Pain genes are discovered either by the study of large families termed ‘linkage analysis’ or by the study of large cohorts of matched, but unrelated, individuals with and without the condition – known as ‘association analysis’. Yet, another method used by geneticists and basic scientists is studying pain behaviour in twins. One of the first twin studies (experimental, female only) by Norbury et al.10 showed a statistically significant genetic component (varying between 22% and 55% ) in pain sensitivity. In another twin study by William et al.,11 looking at musculoskeletal pain from different sites, there was a significant similarity among monozygotic (MZ) twins, compared to dizygotic (DZ) twins in reporting pain. In both studies mentioned above, MZ twins showed a strong correlation to both experimental and musculoskeletal pain, compared to DZ twins, demonstrating a strong genetic component to pain heritability.
Challenges in pain genetics
The breakthrough in mapping the whole human genome along with GWAS45 has led to rapid advances in the knowledge of human diseases and causative factors, especially the genetic basis of disease.
In pain medicine, this has led to the identification of ‘pain genes’ (as described earlier) – genes that influence pain behaviour, prediction of post-operative drug requirement and persistence of pain and possible ‘gene therapy’ for neuropathic pain conditions.
In humans, pain is a complex trait – a personal experience – with multiple, complex interplay between genetic, neurobiological, psychosocial and environmental influences. A single disease itself can have varying, cofounding influences in its ‘cause and effect’. A common condition like chronic low back pain can have a bewildering array of genetic influences as well as SNPs.46 Till date, GWAS has been limited in pain medicine. This is due to the complexity of finding a large number of subjects with identical pathology and a corresponding, matched control.
Nevertheless, improved techniques in breeding rodents and association studies have already identified the CACNG2 as a ‘neuropathic pain susceptibility gene’.47 The discovery that genes encoding for mu-opioid receptors, serotoninergic systems and voltage-gated ion-channels are also involved in pain processing/modulation takes us ever closer to developing a simple blood test, which one day will predict which patient is prone/less prone to develop pain after surgery, as well as a patient’s response to drug(s). The AmpliChip® is such a device which is used to determine the genotype of a patient in terms of two cytochrome P450 enzymes – 2D6 and 2C19. This has been used to detect metabolism of drugs that include codeine, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.48 Goldberg et al.49 reported a successful trial of XEN402 (a novel Nav1.7 antagonist), in patients with the inherited erythromelalgia syndrome, compared to placebo, in four patients.
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Where is suffering in all of that?
Posted by _DazedOptional?
Please answer with only "True" or "False".
Moon, Venus, Mars please.
optional so true, but your spirit gives way to succumbing to suffering if you experience enough opportunities to consistently; almost like a psychological defense kicks in; ::if i can't avoid it, let me see how bad it really is/if i can burn through it:;
cap virgo virgo
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Most people can't accept.
so then its not optional- its a chemical reaction to a situation - that means its biological
CASE MADE
I WON. LAWYERED.
Accepting is more a spiritual process that needs to be taught. It's part of life. For that, it takes time.
Accepting is a process where we calm our emotions and mind - yes you are correct- but with most of us not having access or wanting to take time out for the process - suffering increases.
Honestly technology is making it worse.
If you don't want to take time out of the process it's still a choice. You choose the road of suffering instead of taking care of yourself.
Technology can also be of help. Like the app Wysa, that guides people with different kind of grief to move forward.
If it was so easy would we have so many drug addicts/homeless people? You think people don't want to take care of it - do you know if you're depressed and than on top of that suffering how that can handicap you.
ya'll detached signs need to get out of this thread ASAP
also we all know LEO moons can detach like nothing else. Stop not everyone is like you
As an addict w/depression.. you have to want to get help. The only handicap is yourself.
Do you mean yourself as in your brain - the handicap is your brain? isn't that a biological problem!
Physiological. But more so psychological.
Do you think our biological state affects the physiological and psychological?
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Biology is a broad science. The physiology and psychological nature of an organism effect the it's biology, not the other way around.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by MaraiPosted by CoffeeAndCreamIf suffering was optional than there wouldn't be so many people seeking professional help - stress wouldn't be #1 lead to physical ailment - etc etc etc
to suffer is to be human.
Most people can't accept.
so then its not optional- its a chemical reaction to a situation - that means its biological
CASE MADE
I WON. LAWYERED.
Accepting is more a spiritual process that needs to be taught. It's part of life. For that, it takes time.
Accepting is a process where we calm our emotions and mind - yes you are correct- but with most of us not having access or wanting to take time out for the process - suffering increases.
Honestly technology is making it worse.
If you don't want to take time out of the process it's still a choice. You choose the road of suffering instead of taking care of yourself.
Technology can also be of help. Like the app Wysa, that guides people with different kind of grief to move forward.
If it was so easy would we have so many drug addicts/homeless people? You think people don't want to take care of it - do you know if you're depressed and than on top of that suffering how that can handicap you.
ya'll detached signs need to get out of this thread ASAP
also we all know LEO moons can detach like nothing else. Stop not everyone is like you
As an addict w/depression.. you have to want to get help. The only handicap is yourself.
Do you mean yourself as in your brain - the handicap is your brain? isn't that a biological problem!
Physiological. But more so psychological.
Do you think our biological state affects the physiological and psychological?
Biology is a broad science. The physiology and psychological nature of an organism effect the it's biology, not the other way around.
It can affect our biology and you're minimizing the impact it has on our minds and bodies. Suffering has been with us since man came to existence - if it was just a choice - we wouldn't still be talking about it.
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Eve chose to eat that apple.
Taurus
Libra
Sagittarius
True: Suffering is optional because it is largely based on perception to begin with.
This is more of a maturity/ personal growth thing or spiritual. Seriously it really is a choice.
True.
Scorpio moon
Cancer Venus
Taurus Mars
Posted by NemDeuxPosted by _DazedOptional?
Please answer with only "True" or "False".
Moon, Venus, Mars please.
Suffering becomes optional and surprisingly familiar when it's the last link, the last straw you clutch onto and are scared of moving on in fear of losing a memory, a person ....of what once was. So we suffer the loss of an ideal. Of something that was better in theory than in real life.
Levels of tolerance when it comes to suffering vary on the person who has been inflicted.
Sailor Mars ....might be mourning something else though.
Scorp/Aqua/Gemini
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I can see that.
Suffering is easier than putting in the hard work to change.
Posted by ann1547Yes, pain in a relationship is inevitable. But you should always try to meet halfway, get to know the person better. What he wants, how he thinks, what he thinks. Try to study it thoroughly. I highly recommend Volikov's test for this. You will learn everything about the character, understand how to communicate with him and how to convey information to him.
How much is Volikov paying you, Ann?
Posted by tizianiPosted by _DazedPosted by NemDeuxPosted by _DazedOptional?
Please answer with only "True" or "False".
Moon, Venus, Mars please.
Suffering becomes optional and surprisingly familiar when it's the last link, the last straw you clutch onto and are scared of moving on in fear of losing a memory, a person ....of what once was. So we suffer the loss of an ideal. Of something that was better in theory than in real life.
Levels of tolerance when it comes to suffering vary on the person who has been inflicted.
Sailor Mars ....might be mourning something else though.
Scorp/Aqua/Gemini
I can see that.
Suffering is easier than putting in the hard work to change.
Dan: Everybody wants to be happy.
Larry: Depressives don't. They want to be unhappy to confirm they're depressed. If they were happy they couldn't be depressed anymore. They'd have to go out into the world and live. Which can be depressing.
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tbf..
It was a lot easier being depressed than it was forcing myself to have that conversation with my doctor.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePain is either nociceptive or neuropathic or both (may or may not have tissue damage). Pain "experience" is multi-layered which includes sensory, physiologic, affective, cognition and behavior. So I might appear or been conditioned to tolerate pain that's 3/10 for me but 9/10 for another person, it is subjective in that sense.
Suffering relates more to biopsychosocial, stressful events that one has experienced.
Both affect quality of life.
Suffering has been a human condition since the beginning of time - to say it's optional is reductive -
Right. As I said, there are grey areas.
If people were able to change their mental state we wouldn't have so many people who suffer on a daily basis around the world- suffering is what is causing the violence, upheavel, etc - this condition isn't as easy as "just overcome," "You can do it."
Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
i know i was just adding on for the simple minded aboemas who can't understand basic reasoning.
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Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePain is either nociceptive or neuropathic or both (may or may not have tissue damage). Pain "experience" is multi-layered which includes sensory, physiologic, affective, cognition and behavior. So I might appear or been conditioned to tolerate pain that's 3/10 for me but 9/10 for another person, it is subjective in that sense.
Suffering relates more to biopsychosocial, stressful events that one has experienced.
Both affect quality of life.
Suffering has been a human condition since the beginning of time - to say it's optional is reductive -
Right. As I said, there are grey areas.
If people were able to change their mental state we wouldn't have so many people who suffer on a daily basis around the world- suffering is what is causing the violence, upheavel, etc - this condition isn't as easy as "just overcome," "You can do it."
Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
i know i was just adding on for the simple minded aboemas who can't understand basic reasoning.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Do you believe animals have the mental capability to suffer?
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I believe domesticated animals have learned emotional responses from humans to the point of evolution.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePain is either nociceptive or neuropathic or both (may or may not have tissue damage). Pain "experience" is multi-layered which includes sensory, physiologic, affective, cognition and behavior. So I might appear or been conditioned to tolerate pain that's 3/10 for me but 9/10 for another person, it is subjective in that sense.
Suffering relates more to biopsychosocial, stressful events that one has experienced.
Both affect quality of life.
Suffering has been a human condition since the beginning of time - to say it's optional is reductive -
Right. As I said, there are grey areas.
If people were able to change their mental state we wouldn't have so many people who suffer on a daily basis around the world- suffering is what is causing the violence, upheavel, etc - this condition isn't as easy as "just overcome," "You can do it."
Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
i know i was just adding on for the simple minded aboemas who can't understand basic reasoning.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Do you believe animals have the mental capability to suffer?
I believe domesticated animals have learned emotional responses from humans to the point of evolution.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
and none domesticated animals? Are you asking about earlier than Homosapiens? If apes can suffer than I believe early man (hominids? prior to homosapiens) can too.
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I typed out a bunch of shit.. but I'm just going to give in.
You're right.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by LostthoughtsTaurus
Libra
Sagittarius
True: Suffering is optional because it is largely based on perception to begin with.
This is more of a maturity/ personal growth thing or spiritual. Seriously it really is a choice.
I think there's lots of gray to explore here- I think in most cases it might be a choice but in others maybe not- it might not be continuous but even be bouts that hit out of nowhere
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Tons of grey. Which is fine. There is a lot of suffering that can be changed. Not everyone realises that is possible. Suffering caused by shallow desires. Things that you just want and convinced yourself you actually needed or even that it actually mattered to begin with. Working 12 hour days outside forking hay and shoveling shit might be hell to one person and sound relaxing to another. Perceptive. These things are the only ones I can consider grey areas. Perceptual.
To me, Emotions and suffering are internal responses. Like pain in the body's way to let you know something is wrong.
Suffering is like that but every negative emotion rolled into one. It can be heavy enough to effect you physically. Even slow your breathing. Emotions, pain, suffering, and other responses can be consciously managed: numbed, suppressed, completely ignored, or redirected. This is were the problems start. The suffering from "you" because of you.
The deeper layers of yourself not synching up with the parts calling the shots, the ego. The part that made the choices, ignored the conflicts within, and lies you told yourself. At some point the natural stressors in life are going to put you to the test and you will break. You will know suffering.
Because if everything was how you really wanted it you wouldn't feel those kinds of negative emotions that give birth to suffering in the first place. You are literally the origin of your own suffering.
If pain is inevitable then so is suffering. Seeing as how suffering is defined as ‘ the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship.’
This is one of those, which came first...the chicken or the egg, questions.
False
Aries, Libra, Cancer
Posted by LadyNeptuneIf pain is inevitable then so is suffering. Seeing as how suffering is defined as ‘ the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship.’
This is one of those, which came first...the chicken or the egg, questions.
Minus physical pain.. what if the distress/hardship is self made?
Posted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePain is either nociceptive or neuropathic or both (may or may not have tissue damage). Pain "experience" is multi-layered which includes sensory, physiologic, affective, cognition and behavior. So I might appear or been conditioned to tolerate pain that's 3/10 for me but 9/10 for another person, it is subjective in that sense.
Suffering relates more to biopsychosocial, stressful events that one has experienced.
Both affect quality of life.
Suffering has been a human condition since the beginning of time - to say it's optional is reductive -
Right. As I said, there are grey areas.
If people were able to change their mental state we wouldn't have so many people who suffer on a daily basis around the world- suffering is what is causing the violence, upheavel, etc - this condition isn't as easy as "just overcome," "You can do it."
Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
i know i was just adding on for the simple minded aboemas who can't understand basic reasoning.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Do you believe animals have the mental capability to suffer?
I believe domesticated animals have learned emotional responses from humans to the point of evolution.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
and none domesticated animals? Are you asking about earlier than Homosapiens? If apes can suffer than I believe early man (hominids? prior to homosapiens) can too.
I typed out a bunch of shit.. but I'm just going to give in.
You're right.
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Wtf
You never tell me I’m right
Posted by justagirlSufferings is optional true
Pain is not always inevitable so false
BTW i thought this was a troll thread based on Rabbits response, hence my fuck your ass comment earlier lol
I truly believe that suffereing, depending on what is behind the suffering is optional. There are those out there that use it for attention and validation. I am not a believer in the woe is me. Pretty sure that is due to the experinces i have been through in my life, it's made me much, much stronger and I see that i have overcome alot.
I understand that depression, circumstance etc all plays a role, but there is stuff people can try to do to change that, if they are willing. I'm fortunate that i do not have depression or anxiety ( i do have some at times) etc- i have seen first hand how debilitating that can be, but i have seen the flip side of those that use it as an excuse. I just keep in mind that I am not them, i havent walked in their shoes nor have i expericned their life, so i try to keep judgment out of it.
I do not think pain is inevitable, because what i think might be painful may not be so for another. Again, we cannot make that type of assessment from the outside looking into another. No one can.
Sag moon, venus and mars.
Posted by brianafayPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by _DazedPosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePosted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by cakePain is either nociceptive or neuropathic or both (may or may not have tissue damage). Pain "experience" is multi-layered which includes sensory, physiologic, affective, cognition and behavior. So I might appear or been conditioned to tolerate pain that's 3/10 for me but 9/10 for another person, it is subjective in that sense.
Suffering relates more to biopsychosocial, stressful events that one has experienced.
Both affect quality of life.
Suffering has been a human condition since the beginning of time - to say it's optional is reductive -
Right. As I said, there are grey areas.
If people were able to change their mental state we wouldn't have so many people who suffer on a daily basis around the world- suffering is what is causing the violence, upheavel, etc - this condition isn't as easy as "just overcome," "You can do it."
Of course. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
i know i was just adding on for the simple minded aboemas who can't understand basic reasoning.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
Do you believe animals have the mental capability to suffer?
I believe domesticated animals have learned emotional responses from humans to the point of evolution.
Did early man have the mental capability to suffer?
and none domesticated animals? Are you asking about earlier than Homosapiens? If apes can suffer than I believe early man (hominids? prior to homosapiens) can too.
I typed out a bunch of shit.. but I'm just going to give in.
You're right.
WtfYou never tell me I’m right
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I've never needed to.
YES!
Libra moon
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