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So Ive been told by several men that I do not need to be working out. Ive been told by men at the gym to leave and never come back. Im not skinny, im not fat. size 10, im thick.

The Sag has mentioned 3 separate times that he does not like the fact that i work out. he hates it. He is not a fan. I have to sneak to go to the gym.

On FB we were discussing this video and how men that i find attractive are attracted to women this size. It makes me rethink the gym and my health.

I want a man but at the cost of my health? i mean its supply and demand. Men including the sag want this body type that i am not. the sag has even suggested dumping me for someone bigger. The men i like are demanding something different.

So what to do? There is a pool of men, with every decision i make, i either widen my pool or shrink my pool. Is working out actually shrinking my pool?





Are you working out to attract men, or are you working out to improve your health and well being?
If it is solely for the attention of men, its the wrong motivation.
Working out is really an investment in yourself. I would argue that such an investment is more attractive than worrying about what "size" men are looking for. If you base you decisions on the latter, you are going to be chasing your tail.
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If I do a sex thread about how I like money shots to the face and all of a sudden I have low self esteem and daddy issues.

Heres a thought, how bout I just enjoy money shots to the face.



ROTFLMAO...I just died!

I think Tiki was just asking not accusing but maybe my perception is off. You know you better than anyone else...so just DO YOU. I think that's really the point all of these comments are trying to get across. Whether you're getting positive feedback from men or negative feedback from the people of DXPnet, just DO YOU...money shots and all. LOL
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So Ive been told by several men that I do not need to be working out. Ive been told by men at the gym to leave and never come back. Im not skinny, im not fat. size 10, im thick.

The Sag has mentioned 3 separate times that he does not like the fact that i work out. he hates it. He is not a fan. I have to sneak to go to the gym.

On FB we were discussing this video and how men that i find attractive are attracted to women this size. It makes me rethink the gym and my health.

I want a man but at the cost of my health? i mean its supply and demand. Men including the sag want this body type that i am not. the sag has even suggested dumping me for someone bigger. The men i like are demanding something different.

So what to do? There is a pool of men, with every decision i make, i either widen my pool or shrink my pool. Is working out actually shrinking my pool?





Are you working out to attract men, or are you working out to improve your health and well being?
If it is solely for the attention of men, its the wrong motivation.
Working out is really an investment in yourself. I would argue that such an investment is more attractive than worrying about what "size" men are looking for. If you base you decisions on the latter, you are going to be chasing your tail.
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I work out to look good naked. Whoever that benefits, so be it lmao
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at this point in my life, absolutely. in another 10 years, maybe not. i grew up broke and i never lacked female companionship. also, i never project money in real life. i show up on dates in a hoody or a t-shirt in the summer every single time. i do this on purpose.



I don't know how old you are but I think you're still relatively young. You didn't lack female companionship when you were broke because you were young. Women didn't have many expectations. That's why you said in 10 years, probably not. It's biology. If we can't be mad at you for wanting to sleep with different women because it's part of your nature as a man...you cannot be mad at a woman for leaving her mate when he can no longer support and provide for her (whatever definition that may be to the woman) It's part of the same survival programming you're arguing for men...that you're basically saying is impossible for men to ignore. Why would you ever suggest that a woman ignore her survival instincts? She should move on to a man who can provide better for her and her children. Right?





that is what i can not support.

a man say have an affair.... he doesn't come back and file for divorce. this is very rare. most of the time a man just wants a strange and bust a nut.



that female's perogative is much more damaging. filing for divorce. breaking up the family. that is her choice. damage to children. etc.
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I'm sorry but no just NO! He cheats but it's her fault for breaking up the family! But if she cheats, it's a problem cause she's a woman and therefore clearly emotionally attached to the new guy! If a man cheating is soooo OK and biologically meant to happen, WHY do men lie about it? Why not just tell the woman up front? The truth of the matter is it's the LIE that destroys the relationship NOT the cheating. He promised to be faithful then he broke that promise by running up in some other woman. His word is no longer honorable, hence relationship OVER... IMO ofcourse
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@DonJohnson why don't you guys just George Clooney out the rest of your lives? You would be able to have all the women you want without potentially crushing the woman you claimed to love, honor, respect, be faithful to til death do you part.

I have huge respect for George Clooney and the way he approaches his life. He keeps it real about the fact that he likes variety and has no plans of settling down into a monogamous relationship. You never hear about some scorned woman bashing him in the media, because these women know up front what they're getting into when they decide to date him.
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@DonJohnson why don't you guys just George Clooney out the rest of your lives? You would be able to have all the women you want without potentially crushing the woman you claimed to love, honor, respect, be faithful to til death do you part.

I have huge respect for George Clooney and the way he approaches his life. He keeps it real about the fact that he likes variety and has no plans of settling down into a monogamous relationship. You never hear about some scorned woman bashing him in the media, because these women know up front what they're getting into when they decide to date him.




i do keep it real. i haven't asked for a girl to be in a monogamous relationship with me since university.
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Then you're not a part of the group of men we are talking about. (kudos to you by the way for being honest) I'm talking about the men that look a woman in the face, claim to love her and remain faithful to her only to turn right around and cheat on her under this guise of "It's in a mans nature just shut up and accept it"

If these guys are in fact running as you say, then let them run because these are not the men I want to date in the first place. I'll gladly live out the rest of my days alone if these are the only options out there right now.

Further I completely respect the men out there who say up front they don't want a committed relationship or to get married because they don't want to commit to just one woman. Those men are honest, even when it hurts. At least a woman then knows exactly what she's dealing with and can't be mad if she gets her feelings her for trying to stick with him
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at this point in my life, absolutely. in another 10 years, maybe not. i grew up broke and i never lacked female companionship. also, i never project money in real life. i show up on dates in a hoody or a t-shirt in the summer every single time. i do this on purpose.



I don't know how old you are but I think you're still relatively young. You didn't lack female companionship when you were broke because you were young. Women didn't have many expectations. That's why you said in 10 years, probably not. It's biology. If we can't be mad at you for wanting to sleep with different women because it's part of your nature as a man...you cannot be mad at a woman for leaving her mate when he can no longer support and provide for her (whatever definition that may be to the woman) It's part of the same survival programming you're arguing for men...that you're basically saying is impossible for men to ignore. Why would you ever suggest that a woman ignore her survival instincts? She should move on to a man who can provide better for her and her children. Right?





that is what i can not support.

a man say have an affair.... he doesn't come back and file for divorce. this is very rare. most of the time a man just wants a strange and bust a nut.



that female's perogative is much more damaging. filing for divorce. breaking up the family. that is her choice. damage to children. etc.
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I disagree. It really depends on why the divorce was sought. Men don't get to act like shitheads, abusive assholes and cads and keep their cake, too. Sorry, but there's consequences to repeat offender behavior of the damaging kind.
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they can't be honest about that because they are lying cheating a-holes and they know if their wives found out about their deceit they'd be given their walking papers. Just like they would do to their wives if they found out she cheated on them. (there I fixed that for you)


You're right I'll never know for sure if any of my exes cheated on me, that's called trust. But if you decide to cheat on me, you had better be good at it. Cause if I find out there will be blood. Pun intended...
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honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?



HELL NO!!! That's like amending your personality to meet his standard. It's a slippery slope to losing yourself completely and becoming his stepford wife. If you want to change because the change makes you happy with yourself then go for it, but to do it for someone else is risky. Suppose you make the changes and get the guy, but he eventually cheats with an even larger woman. There you are left feeling confused, betrayed and honestly unhappy because YOU never really wanted to be that size.

Just ask yourself, if men didn't exist how would I want to look? Then go with that...
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I remember reading an article about a woman that gained weight because her man liked big girls and he ended up cheating on her with eight other skinny women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2470136/Woman-gained-7st-man-loved-curves--cheat-EIGHT-slim-women.html<BR>
http://quemas.mamaslatinas.com/love_sex/119129/woman_gains_98_pounds_for<BR>
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/cassie-payne-nooo<BR>
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+1 Fembot

Cheating has very little to do with size and has more to do with a man desiring variety outside of his marriage, we can't blame size on cheating.

Cheating is a lacking character and boundaries issue not a size issue.



lets say size is an issue. then what? do you divorce or do you make your partner happy?



Exactly @Tiki33

I'd hope that the 2 people could find a happy compromise...especially in the case of a marriage. For me personally I'm unwilling to change things about the foundation of myself (that I don't already want to change) just to keep a man. If I start doing that for him, where does it end? I've basically just shown him that I can be bent to serve his will (regardless of my own identity). That's just not something I can allow myself to do. I'd like to think the 2 people would work out the cosmetic issues prior to marriage though...



+1 Fembot

Marriage has layers DMV and size can be USED as an excuse to cheat. People cheat b/c they choose to cheat, if they lack something within themselves they'll cheat.

No one can make a man cheat, if he's a cheater he'll cheat just because it's his choice to cheat whether the excuse is valid or not valid.

I love chubby, to me chubby is adorable, my husband is fit, very fit but I don't want nor desire to cheat on him with a chubby person.

Preference is not a necessity. We may prefer a certain type but we won't die or stop breathing if we have something or someone outside of that preference.



so would you divorce or conform?
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Fortunately I have to do neither, not a problem for me, I'm fit physically, always have been.

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Don't get me wrong @DJ, as long as I trust the man that I'm with he gets the benefit of that trust. But as soon as my intuition tells me somethings not right, it's just a slow stroll to the end of our relationship. So yea you better be good at it, physically, spiritually, mentally, emotionally; nothing better give you away.

@Phoenixrising that had to destroy her... Downer

+1 arietteheart2

Man this thread got derailed...lol
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honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?



HELL NO!!! That's like amending your personality to meet his standard. It's a slippery slope to losing yourself completely and becoming his stepford wife. If you want to change because the change makes you happy with yourself then go for it, but to do it for someone else is risky. Suppose you make the changes and get the guy, but he eventually cheats with an even larger woman. There you are left feeling confused, betrayed and honestly unhappy because YOU never really wanted to be that size.

Just ask yourself, if men didn't exist how would I want to look? Then go with that...



+1
I remember reading an article about a woman that gained weight because her man liked big girls and he ended up cheating on her with eight other skinny women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2470136/Woman-gained-7st-man-loved-curves--cheat-EIGHT-slim-women.html<BR>
http://quemas.mamaslatinas.com/love_sex/119129/woman_gains_98_pounds_for<BR>
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/cassie-payne-nooo<BR>
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oh hell no
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DMV although you say "I love myself" none of what you've said actually describes you loving yourself.

You come across codependent and lack a strong sense of self b/c women who have evolved and developed an authentic self do not just chunk it away for a compliment or to get more compliments which is a form of approval seeking behavior.

Don't you think you're enough? Is who you are right now, without morphing and changing and turning yourself inside out enough?



how can you tell me that I dont love myself? I take offense to that, you dont know me as well as you think you do.. I have one blog where I talk about how I enjoy compliments and how I like to go out of my way to please a man and that makes me codependent? That means I dont love myself? I lack a strong sense of self? What type of shit is this? Im not your definition of evolved or developed?

Sometimes you people reach too far with the conclusions you draw. Not everything is a case of low self esteem. FFS

I havent even talked about my personality here but conclusions are drawn.
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To be clear, my intentions are not to offend you. I'm not saying you don't love yourself. I'm saying your behavior the way you behave says that about you.And you didn't answer my questions.

Your words (not my words but your words) and your behavior is the culprit of you appearing insecure and codependent.

Enjoying compliments is one thing but then turning around and dying your hair (if he likes blondes) or buying 3 more pairs of stockings or shedding weight or b/c this one guy and/or some random guy likes it says volumes about you.

Your behavior says this about you, not me.
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Posted by DMV
Posted by tiki33
DMV you do know that you are not going to be attractive to every man?





honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?
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This doesn't sound good imo. This kind of thinking, whether you're aware of it or not, will attract guys that are intent on dominating/changing you. The above statement sounds vulnerable & a tad desperate imho...open for easy picking.
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DMV although you say "I love myself" none of what you've said actually describes you loving yourself.

You come across codependent and lack a strong sense of self b/c women who have evolved and developed an authentic self do not just chunk it away for a compliment or to get more compliments which is a form of approval seeking behavior.

Don't you think you're enough? Is who you are right now, without morphing and changing and turning yourself inside out enough?



how can you tell me that I dont love myself? I take offense to that, you dont know me as well as you think you do.. I have one blog where I talk about how I enjoy compliments and how I like to go out of my way to please a man and that makes me codependent? That means I dont love myself? I lack a strong sense of self? What type of shit is this? Im not your definition of evolved or developed?

Sometimes you people reach too far with the conclusions you draw. Not everything is a case of low self esteem. FFS

I havent even talked about my personality here but conclusions are drawn.



To be clear, my intentions are not to offend you. I'm not saying you don't love yourself. I'm saying your behavior the way you behave says that about you.And you didn't answer my questions.

Your words (not my words but your words) and your behavior is the culprit of you appearing insecure and codependent.

Enjoying compliments is one thing but then turning around and dying your hair (if he likes blondes) or buying 3 more pairs of stockings or shedding weight or b/c this one guy and/or some random guy likes it says volumes about you.

Your behavior says this about you, not me.
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what thread did you read?
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DMV you do know that you are not going to be attractive to every man?





honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?



This doesn't sound good imo. This kind of thinking, whether you're aware of it or not, will attract guys that are intent on dominating/changing you. The above statement sounds vulnerable & a tad desperate imho...open for easy picking.
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I disagree. I feel like theres nothing wrong with pleasing your partner and making them happy especially if theyre doing the same for me.

if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner.

different strokes for different folks
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So Ive been told by several men that I do not need to be working out. Ive been told by men at the gym to leave and never come back. Im not skinny, im not fat. size 10, im thick.

The Sag has mentioned 3 separate times that he does not like the fact that i work out. he hates it. He is not a fan. I have to sneak to go to the gym.

On FB we were discussing this video and how men that i find attractive are attracted to women this size. It makes me rethink the gym and my health.

I want a man but at the cost of my health? i mean its supply and demand. Men including the sag want this body type that i am not. the sag has even suggested dumping me for someone bigger. The men i like are demanding something different.

So what to do? There is a pool of men, with every decision i make, i either widen my pool or shrink my pool. Is working out actually shrinking my pool?





WOW that's really fucking rude of them! They're probably just getting uncontrollable boners watching you work out.

This thread made me a bit upset, you should never change yourself for a man. You're perfect the way you are, and good on you for working out and staying fit! Your health and looking how YOU want to is most important, and if a dude doesn't like that then they can jog the fuck onnnnnn.

I'm a UK6 and I have no tits or arse, but idgaf. I'd rather be forever alone than make myself ill overeating to gain some lbs just to make someone else happy.

im gathering by the comments that my sarcasm is lost on many 🙂 I have a great body and men do get distracted in the gym. Theyre just worried that I will believe that all women should be a size 2 and lose my curves. I took it as a compliment.
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It just so fucked up that just because I dont follow someones script for what a women should be or how I should act, I get labeled as insecure, codependent, weak, desperate. Sorry not going to wear that hat. That shoe dont fit.

Ironically, this thread deals with impressions. Most of you want me to follow your impression of what I should be than anothers. Oh no! Dont do that, do this. Oh no! You shouldnt act that way, act this way. Most of you sound like these guys in question.

dueling impressions.

take a bite here, take a bite there.
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DMV you do know that you are not going to be attractive to every man?





honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?



This doesn't sound good imo. This kind of thinking, whether you're aware of it or not, will attract guys that are intent on dominating/changing you. The above statement sounds vulnerable & a tad desperate imho...open for easy picking.



I disagree. I feel like theres nothing wrong with pleasing your partner and making them happy especially if theyre doing the same for me.

if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner.

different strokes for different folks
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But isn't your post about a guy you're interested in? A stranger?
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It just so fucked up that just because I dont follow someones script for what a women should be or how I should act, I get labeled as insecure, codependent, weak, desperate. Sorry not going to wear that hat. That shoe dont fit.

Ironically, this thread deals with impressions. Most of you want me to follow your impression of what I should be than anothers. Oh no! Dont do that, do this. Oh no! You shouldnt act that way, act this way. Most of you sound like these guys in question.

dueling impressions.

take a bite here, take a bite there.



It's an open forum & there are going to be OPINIONS, not DIRECT ORDERS. What you do with the opinions is up to you. Nobody wants the responsibility of prefecting another grown human being, only thing all of us can do is talk hence you made this thread...to have opinions. If what's said doesn't apply to you, then good, because nobody forcefully put that on you anyway. It's a free world *shrugs*
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And what's really fucked up is that you can't see how your behavior translates over to other people.

It's your behavior that interprets you. You want to behave a certain way and be seen as something different than how you behave, it's not logical nor rational, it's human nature to interpret you by how you behave..

When you behave in a low self esteem codependent way there is no other way to interpret what you're doing and how you're behaving as anything but what it appears to be.

You're following a script and that script unfortunately makes you appear to be insecure, codependent, weak, desperate, that's not any of our fault, that's all on you.
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DMV you do know that you are not going to be attractive to every man?





honestly. yes and no. for example, if i find a certain man attractive and im interested, wouldnt i want to conform myself to meet his standard if i want to attract him?



This doesn't sound good imo. This kind of thinking, whether you're aware of it or not, will attract guys that are intent on dominating/changing you. The above statement sounds vulnerable & a tad desperate imho...open for easy picking.



I disagree. I feel like theres nothing wrong with pleasing your partner and making them happy especially if theyre doing the same for me.

if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner.

different strokes for different folks
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I agree with this to an extent.
But, sometimes you have to draw the line and think of what makes you happy too.
Hell, I went from brunette to blond and back to brunette for him.
He hates my pajamas, and I will put on the sexy wear for him if it makes him happy for a short while, but I'm not going to give up my pajamas forever.
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I disagree. I feel like theres nothing wrong with pleasing your partner and making them happy especially if theyre doing the same for me.

if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner.





Cancer rising / Virgo Mars ftw! 😉

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"if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner."

That's beyond accommodating. Why buy the cow when he can get the milk for free. Giving less and yet giving your all to those little things have a bigger impact.

Give too much and eventually the relationship spoils, he grows tired, bored and you become predictable and he's out the door eventually.

Why stay when he already know he's gotten everything you got to give and then some, nothing left to do but move on to someone else but first he'll take you for granted before he steps all over you to get out the door.

I
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Posted by tiki33
"if he loves my lasagna, guess what he will be eating?
Ih he loves my long hair, im not going to cut it.
if he loves me in tight clothes, hell never see me in sweatpants!
If he wants head 2x a day, my wish is his command.

This doesnt make me any less independent, doesnt make me desperate, no less of a woman, doesnt make me weak, not an easy target. It makes me an accommodating lover and partner."

That's beyond accommodating. Why buy the cow when he can get the milk for free. Giving less and yet giving your all to those little things have a bigger impact.

Give too much and eventually the relationship spoils, he grows tired, bored and you become predictable and he's out the door eventually.

Why stay when he already know he's gotten everything you got to give and then some, nothing left to do but move on to someone else but first he'll take you for granted before he steps all over you to get out the door.

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