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I'm not a fan of guns but if you really think restrictions or banning them is going to make a difference...you're a dumbass. Idk how many times it needs to be said....CRIMINALS, MURDERS ETC WILL FIND A WAY TO GET AHOLD OF ANYTHING....all the bans and restrictions in the world is not going to stop it...in fact, I bet there would be a rise in other means of mass killings....like poison, bombs, etc....which will kill a lot more people ....which scares me more than someone owning a gun.

Simple: make poison, bombs absolutely impossible for access. That can be done. And even if it cannot be done, at least, the access will be heavily restrained. Not all murderers are that sharp anyway. There will be someone who could access, that's possible, but the stat will surely go down.

That's better than doing nothing.


That's not going to stop anyone....if you have money and access to the interent....you can get your hands on anything and people will.

👆 look at what he said.

Also don’t you guys literally sell guns at Walmart?? Like what on earth? Obviously the more easily available the more it happens. This isn’t rocket science it’s marketing 101.

Ever heard of the deep web, black market...I'm sure there are other places as well....its illogical to think someone won't find a way.

? I think you might not have understood what I said. I think it should be made as hard as possible not available everywhere you look. I like the restricting ammunition idea that makes a lot of sense at the very least. Just because you can’t solve 100% doesn’t give you an excuse not to solve 80% .

No...I think you may have misunderstood me. Try as you might and there is nothing wrong with trying but it will not stop criminals, murders and the like from finding ways and other means of killing or harming others.

It will not stop 100% . It will stop a significant portion. No one is saying anything different.

So you really believe....banning or restrictions is going to stop a portion of criminals and murders? Which portion exactly?

The hot headed impulsive type. You know the type to grab an available gun in the heat of the moment, that wouldn’t have been there with gun restriction?

Data has given us a lot of information on how easily susceptible we are to marketing and persuasion. You might not think so but having any product available everywhere will increase its likelihood of being purchased. The more people with guns the more wives shot the more accidental deaths the more the idea of using the gun is less vague idea and more easily executable plan.

You can look to other countries statistics to see how less available guns have resulted in not always 100% reduction but a significant reduction. It’s just data. 🤷‍♀️ I’d pull it for you but I’m just getting ready to go out and I’m sure you can find it for yourself!

Oh is this data that you personally conducted or that you saw on Facebook? You know most countries distort their data on things to save face....right?

Well now that’s just insulting. I don’t even have Facebook but I will go more in depth later if you still wish and if you really don’t know where to look for yourself 😬 nothing to say on my other points? I really don’t think I’m saying anything that doesn’t make obvious sense. It’s not unreasonable to expect more than is currently being done. I should make clear I have nothing against you personally... I just think believing nothing could possibly effect the statistics of such a large country at all is actually quite a bizarre thing to be persuaded of in 2019 and I just don’t know how you’ve come to that conclusion. Sorry I’ll get back to you later
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Dont be condescending...it isn't cute.

It doesn't matter where you saw it...unless you conducted it personally...I dont understand how you could believe it to be 100% truth.

What other points? Knives are easily accessible (even more so) and used daily in killing others too....so do you want to ban or restrict access to them? Pressure cookers can be easily made into bombs....restrict access? *fill in the blank of anything a criminal or murder will find and get their hands on here*.....restrict access?

Guns aren't the problem....its PEOPLE and their actions.....restrict access? (I personally try this one as much as possible lol)

Not everyone owns a gun and not all gun owners are committing murders. You're blaming an inanimate object instead of the why and actions of others. And again...I'm not even a fan of guns but even I can see that.
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When is it enough?

Oct. 1, 2017: Las Vegas, 58 dead over 500+ injured I started with this one because it's home, I lost people, friends that attended a concert, to never come home.

Nov. 5, 2017: Sutherland Springs, Texas, 26 dead

Feb. 14, 2018: Parkland, Fla., 17 dead

May 18, 2018: Santa Fe, Texas, 10 dead

June 28, 2018: Annapolis, Md., 5 dead

Oct. 27, 2018: Pittsburgh, 11 dead

Nov. 7, 2018: Thousand Oaks, 12 dead

Feb. 15, 2019: Aurora, Ill., 5 dead

May 31, 2019: Virginia Beach, Va., 12 dead

Aug. 3, 2019: El Paso, 20 dead

Aug. 4, 2019: Dayton, 9 dead
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I'm not a fan of guns but if you really think restrictions or banning them is going to make a difference...you're a dumbass. Idk how many times it needs to be said....CRIMINALS, MURDERS ETC WILL FIND A WAY TO GET AHOLD OF ANYTHING....all the bans and restrictions in the world is not going to stop it...in fact, I bet there would be a rise in other means of mass killings....like poison, bombs, etc....which will kill a lot more people ....which scares me more than someone owning a gun.

Simple: make poison, bombs absolutely impossible for access. That can be done. And even if it cannot be done, at least, the access will be heavily restrained. Not all murderers are that sharp anyway. There will be someone who could access, that's possible, but the stat will surely go down.

That's better than doing nothing.


That's not going to stop anyone....if you have money and access to the interent....you can get your hands on anything and people will.

👆 look at what he said.

Also don’t you guys literally sell guns at Walmart?? Like what on earth? Obviously the more easily available the more it happens. This isn’t rocket science it’s marketing 101.

Ever heard of the deep web, black market...I'm sure there are other places as well....its illogical to think someone won't find a way.

? I think you might not have understood what I said. I think it should be made as hard as possible not available everywhere you look. I like the restricting ammunition idea that makes a lot of sense at the very least. Just because you can’t solve 100% doesn’t give you an excuse not to solve 80% .

No...I think you may have misunderstood me. Try as you might and there is nothing wrong with trying but it will not stop criminals, murders and the like from finding ways and other means of killing or harming others.

It will not stop 100% . It will stop a significant portion. No one is saying anything different.

So you really believe....banning or restrictions is going to stop a portion of criminals and murders? Which portion exactly?

The hot headed impulsive type. You know the type to grab an available gun in the heat of the moment, that wouldn’t have been there with gun restriction?

Data has given us a lot of information on how easily susceptible we are to marketing and persuasion. You might not think so but having any product available everywhere will increase its likelihood of being purchased. The more people with guns the more wives shot the more accidental deaths the more the idea of using the gun is less vague idea and more easily executable plan.

You can look to other countries statistics to see how less available guns have resulted in not always 100% reduction but a significant reduction. It’s just data. 🤷‍♀️ I’d pull it for you but I’m just getting ready to go out and I’m sure you can find it for yourself!

Oh is this data that you personally conducted or that you saw on Facebook? You know most countries distort their data on things to save face....right?

Well now that’s just insulting. I don’t even have Facebook but I will go more in depth later if you still wish and if you really don’t know where to look for yourself 😬 nothing to say on my other points? I really don’t think I’m saying anything that doesn’t make obvious sense. It’s not unreasonable to expect more than is currently being done. I should make clear I have nothing against you personally... I just think believing nothing could possibly effect the statistics of such a large country at all is actually quite a bizarre thing to be persuaded of in 2019 and I just don’t know how you’ve come to that conclusion. Sorry I’ll get back to you later

Dont be condescending...it isn't cute.

It doesn't matter where you saw it...unless you conducted it personally...I dont understand how you could believe it to be 100% truth.

What other points? Knives are easily accessible (even more so) and used daily in killing others too....so do you want to ban or restrict access to them? Pressure cookers can be easily made into bombs....restrict access? *fill in the blank of anything a criminal or murder will find and get their hands on here*.....restrict access?

Guns aren't the problem....its PEOPLE and their actions.....restrict access? (I personally try this one as much as possible lol)

Not everyone owns a gun and not all gun owners are committing murders. You're blaming an inanimate object instead of the why and actions of others. And again...I'm not even a fan of guns but even I can see that.

Yet not everyone is a wreckless driver n they mandated seatbelts n airbags
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doesn't stop people from not using seatbelts and in newer vehicles....turning airbags off...older vehicles, disabling them.....
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Not all people are the same. Not everyone is brilliant and could find ways whatever may be the situation. Not everyone has money. Not everyone goes to the internet. Not everyone is minor. Not everyone is demented.

But everyone can easily access guns.

Everyone!!!

Even if you restrict gun sales in one state, people can go to the next state and buy guns

For example we have heavy taxes in WA for liquor

Every time I’m in duty free I buy liquor

Or when anybody goes to Portland Oregon they take liquor orders

I try very hard not to buy liquor in Washington state

It's not the same thing (it's not a legit comparison). If they ban guns in your state - and you "smuggle one from another state (cause you won't be allowed to just carry it around in your bag - like alcohol)" - you're committing a crime. If gun laws become serious in your state (like they are in countries like mine / which btw it's as big as an American state) - you'll go to jail if they catch you with a gun
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yeah, cuz criminals care about commiting crimes >.>

explain how do los zetas get so many guns if mexico has such strong anti gun laws, Mmm I wonder if being near the border with the US has anything to do with it /s
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

I just heard on the radio that the police subdued the shooter in Ohio in _1 minute_. In that minute, he killed 9 people.
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And injured 27
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds
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it's not hard to stab many folks in seconds. and you can get many with a long sharp sword in seconds. depends on how fast and bloodthirsty one is. and what spots you hit.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds
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a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.
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making a bomb requires skill, something those dumbdumbs don't have
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

it's not hard to stab many folks in seconds. and you can get many with a long sharp sword in seconds. depends on how fast and bloodthirsty one is. and what spots you hit.

That's true, and such attacks have happened. I remember hearing about some...in Japan, I think? But that narrows the number of people who would have the ability and nerve to pull it off. I'd say that a 1-minute automatic weapon shooting would be more deadly than a 1-minute knife attack 99 times out of a 100.
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wrong. 100 times out of 100. simply because guns have power and range that knives don't have. it's apples and oranges, really.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.

making a bomb requires skill, something those dumbdumbs don't have
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even the dumbest person who follows instructions can make a bomb.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

it's not hard to stab many folks in seconds. and you can get many with a long sharp sword in seconds. depends on how fast and bloodthirsty one is. and what spots you hit.

That's true, and such attacks have happened. I remember hearing about some...in Japan, I think? But that narrows the number of people who would have the ability and nerve to pull it off. I'd say that a 1-minute automatic weapon shooting would be more deadly than a 1-minute knife attack 99 times out of a 100.

wrong. 100 times out of 100. simply because guns have power and range that knives don't have. it's apples and oranges, really.

I was imagining that one time Chuck Norris has the knife. 😉
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Chuck Norris has no chance. Bruce Lee is in heaven with him in his sights. pow pow.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

it's not hard to stab many folks in seconds. and you can get many with a long sharp sword in seconds. depends on how fast and bloodthirsty one is. and what spots you hit.

That's true, and such attacks have happened. I remember hearing about some...in Japan, I think? But that narrows the number of people who would have the ability and nerve to pull it off. I'd say that a 1-minute automatic weapon shooting would be more deadly than a 1-minute knife attack 99 times out of a 100.

wrong. 100 times out of 100. simply because guns have power and range that knives don't have. it's apples and oranges, really.

I was imagining that one time Chuck Norris has the knife. 😉
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tbh, I was too though lol
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.

making a bomb requires skill, something those dumbdumbs don't have

even the dumbest person who follows instructions can make a bomb.
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no they can't, I have seem people fail at those youtube videos of troomtroom, those are craft meant for kids, but the amount of people that can't use a hot glue gun is ridiculous, let alone the idea of them making bombs lmao

there are youtube videos on how to make food with a microwave for fucks sake.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

it's not hard to stab many folks in seconds. and you can get many with a long sharp sword in seconds. depends on how fast and bloodthirsty one is. and what spots you hit.

That's true, and such attacks have happened. I remember hearing about some...in Japan, I think? But that narrows the number of people who would have the ability and nerve to pull it off. I'd say that a 1-minute automatic weapon shooting would be more deadly than a 1-minute knife attack 99 times out of a 100.

wrong. 100 times out of 100. simply because guns have power and range that knives don't have. it's apples and oranges, really.

I was imagining that one time Chuck Norris has the knife. 😉

Chuck Norris has no chance. Bruce Lee is in heaven with him in his sights. pow pow.

Reminds me of one of the greatest titles in literature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Ranger_and_Tonto_Fistfight_in_Heaven


😆😆
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.

making a bomb requires skill, something those dumbdumbs don't have

even the dumbest person who follows instructions can make a bomb.

no they can't, I have seem people fail at those youtube videos of troomtroom, those are meant for kids, but the amount of people that can't use a hot glue gun is ridiculous, let alone the idea of them making bombs lmao

there are youtube videos on how to make food with a microwave for fucks sake.
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key words were if they follow instructions.
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you can ban guns all you'd like. they will just use knives. ban knives, they'll use hammers. ban hammers, they'll use rocks. etc. guns are not the problem. psychopaths are. a murderer will always find ways to murder.

True but a knife won’t kill 16 people in seconds

a bomb will. even more carnage and covers more ground.

making a bomb requires skill, something those dumbdumbs don't have

even the dumbest person who follows instructions can make a bomb.

no they can't, I have seem people fail at those youtube videos of troomtroom, those are meant for kids, but the amount of people that can't use a hot glue gun is ridiculous, let alone the idea of them making bombs lmao

there are youtube videos on how to make food with a microwave for fucks sake.
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lmao I doubt those are the ones trying to make bombs anyway lol. unless they stupidly put metal in the microwave
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Not all people are the same. Not everyone is brilliant and could find ways whatever may be the situation. Not everyone has money. Not everyone goes to the internet. Not everyone is minor. Not everyone is demented.

But everyone can easily access guns.

Everyone!!!

Even if you restrict gun sales in one state, people can go to the next state and buy guns

For example we have heavy taxes in WA for liquor

Every time I’m in duty free I buy liquor

Or when anybody goes to Portland Oregon they take liquor orders

I try very hard not to buy liquor in Washington state

It's not the same thing (it's not a legit comparison). If they ban guns in your state - and you "smuggle one from another state (cause you won't be allowed to just carry it around in your bag - like alcohol)" - you're committing a crime. If gun laws become serious in your state (like they are in countries like mine / which btw it's as big as an American state) - you'll go to jail if they catch you with a gun

yeah, cuz criminals care about commiting crimes >.>

explain how do los zetas get so many guns if mexico has such strong anti gun laws, Mmm I wonder if being near the border with the US has anything to do with it /s
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Does it?! You mean on paper (or theory)?! I mean, i find it really hard to use that in a sentence (Mexico has a strong anti gun law) - without giggling or... laughing out load (: quite literately).
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Guns are both good and bad, depending on who is holding it.


You put it like a true American. Not that different than... "Murder is both good and bad, depending on who you're killing." It's ok the kill even innocent women and children - to bomb them into million of pieces "just to send a message..." That would only be bad (outrageous even) - if the tables would turn (if you'd get a taste if your own medicine).

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/04/american-cult-bombing-and-endless-war

"From Syria to Yemen in the Middle East, Libya to Somalia in Africa, Afghanistan to Pakistan in South Asia, an American aerial curtain has descended across a huge swath of the planet. Its stated purpose: combatting terrorism. Its primary method: constant surveillance and bombing -- and yet more bombing. Its political benefit: minimizing the number of U.S. “boots on the ground” and so American casualties in the never-ending war on terror, as well as any public outcry about Washington’s many conflicts. Its economic benefit: plenty of high-profit business for weapons makers for whom the president can now declare a national security emergency whenever he likes and so sell their warplanes and munitions to preferred dictatorships in the Middle East (no congressional approval required). Its reality for various foreign peoples: a steady diet of “Made in USA” bombs and missiles bursting here, there, and everywhere.

Think of all this as a cult of bombing on a global scale. America’s wars are increasingly waged from the air, not on the ground, a reality that makes the prospect of ending them ever more daunting. The question is: What’s driving this process?

For many of America’s decision-makers, air power has clearly become something of an abstraction. After all, except for the 9/11 attacks by those four hijacked commercial airliners, Americans haven’t been the target of such strikes since World War II. On Washington’s battlefields across the Greater Middle East and northern Africa, air power is always almost literally a one-way affair. There are no enemy air forces or significant air defenses. The skies are the exclusive property of the U.S. Air Force (and allied air forces), which means that we’re no longer talking about “war” in the normal sense. No wonder Washington policymakers and military officials see it as our strong suit, our asymmetrical advantage, our way of settling scores with evildoers, real and imagined.

Bombs away!

In a bizarre fashion, you might even say that, in the twenty-first century, the bomb and missile count replaced the Vietnam-era body count as a metric of (false) progress. Using data supplied by the U.S. military, the Council on Foreign Relations estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,172 bombs in seven countries in 2016, the bulk of them in Iraq and Syria. Against Raqqa alone, ISIS’s “capital,” the U.S. and its allies dropped more than 20,000 bombs in 2017, reducing that provincial Syrian city to literal rubble. Combined with artillery fire, the bombing of Raqqa killed more than 1,600 civilians, according to Amnesty International."
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Not all people are the same. Not everyone is brilliant and could find ways whatever may be the situation. Not everyone has money. Not everyone goes to the internet. Not everyone is minor. Not everyone is demented.

But everyone can easily access guns.

Everyone!!!

Even if you restrict gun sales in one state, people can go to the next state and buy guns

For example we have heavy taxes in WA for liquor

Every time I’m in duty free I buy liquor

Or when anybody goes to Portland Oregon they take liquor orders

I try very hard not to buy liquor in Washington state

It's not the same thing (it's not a legit comparison). If they ban guns in your state - and you "smuggle one from another state (cause you won't be allowed to just carry it around in your bag - like alcohol)" - you're committing a crime. If gun laws become serious in your state (like they are in countries like mine / which btw it's as big as an American state) - you'll go to jail if they catch you with a gun

yeah, cuz criminals care about commiting crimes >.>

explain how do los zetas get so many guns if mexico has such strong anti gun laws, Mmm I wonder if being near the border with the US has anything to do with it /s

Does it?! You mean on paper (or theory)?! I mean, i find it really hard to use that in a sentence (Mexico has a strong anti gun law) - without giggling or... laughing out load (: quite literately).
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on paper, and supposedly on reality, there's one single gun store in the entire country, imagine that.

but what are the cops suppose to do? just detain a guy carrying a rifle?

but if you have never experience that weird sensation of something being really fucked up that you get when you realize the criminal got a rifle, sometimes an ak, while the law enforcement got a handgun, in many cases a 9mm, and just the though of asking that dude for help make you pity him, you wont understand how fucked the civilians life there is.

they have to call the military to deal with a drug cartel, a fucking dystopia.
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Tell me a good reason ak 47 should be owne by the lay person

Because pistols have shit range

if you need the range then a bolt action rifle will do 😛

Bolt action isn't a good weapon against multiple agressors
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calm down G.I super, if you want a semiautomatic to deal with multiple aggressors, then that means you're probably under heavy fire, and I doubt your billy badass fantasy can survive in that condition anyway.
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Tell me a good reason ak 47 should be owne by the lay person

Because pistols have shit range

if you need the range then a bolt action rifle will do 😛

Bolt action isn't a good weapon against multiple agressors

calm down G.I super, if you want a semiautomatic to deal with multiple aggressors, then that means you're probably under heavy fire, and I doubt your billy badass fantasy can survive in that condition anyway.
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U have no clue about weapons or what ur talking about

If I'm under heavy fire I'd prefer an automatic rather than semi automatic.
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Endless
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Posted by Impulsv

Tell me a good reason ak 47 should be owne by the lay person

Because pistols have shit range

if you need the range then a bolt action rifle will do 😛

Bolt action isn't a good weapon against multiple agressors

calm down G.I super, if you want a semiautomatic to deal with multiple aggressors, then that means you're probably under heavy fire, and I doubt your billy badass fantasy can survive in that condition anyway.

U have no clue about weapons or what ur talking about

If I'm under heavy fire I'd prefer an automatic rather than semi automatic.
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ofc not, I'm not a G.I super like yourself, for me using burst fire will only mean wasting bullets, but ofc you master chief will end ISIS, and save us from the apocalypses.
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Posted by 777
Posted by Endless
Posted by 777
Posted by Impulsv

Tell me a good reason ak 47 should be owne by the lay person

Because pistols have shit range

if you need the range then a bolt action rifle will do 😛

Bolt action isn't a good weapon against multiple agressors

calm down G.I super, if you want a semiautomatic to deal with multiple aggressors, then that means you're probably under heavy fire, and I doubt your billy badass fantasy can survive in that condition anyway.

U have no clue about weapons or what ur talking about

If I'm under heavy fire I'd prefer an automatic rather than semi automatic.

ofc not, I'm not a G.I super like yourself, for me using burst fire will only mean wasting bullets, but ofc you master chief will end ISIS, and save us from the apocalypses.
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Semi auto, burst fire, and auto are all different rates of fire. I dont understand ur point bcuz ur a fucking idiot
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Posted by Endless
Posted by 777
Posted by Impulsv

Tell me a good reason ak 47 should be owne by the lay person

Because pistols have shit range

if you need the range then a bolt action rifle will do 😛

Bolt action isn't a good weapon against multiple agressors

calm down G.I super, if you want a semiautomatic to deal with multiple aggressors, then that means you're probably under heavy fire, and I doubt your billy badass fantasy can survive in that condition anyway.

U have no clue about weapons or what ur talking about

If I'm under heavy fire I'd prefer an automatic rather than semi automatic.

ofc not, I'm not a G.I super like yourself, for me using burst fire will only mean wasting bullets, but ofc you master chief will end ISIS, and save us from the apocalypses.

Semi auto, burst fire, and auto are all different rates of fire. I dont understand ur point bcuz ur a fucking idiot
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if you can't understand it doesn't meant I am the idiot....
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Wow man see this shit right here is potentially one of the reasons why I opts out this site.

You just can't have a good intelligent conversation without someone name calling and wants to start acting like a child arguing with innocent users.

This place has gone toxic.

Smh

So you couldn’t focus on actual conversations happening in here but decided to focus on the drama, acting hella dramatic with your corn ass post

If this place is toxic

Fuking delete

Don’t try to police ppl especially not me

I’ll burn your ass

Mute is an option too

I have zero fuks for bytch asses on the internet

You're a joke and a racist. Just like our fucked up in the head president Donald Trump.

Now carry on about your business while I do the same.

I’m a racist cause I call white ppl out for their bs, of course that’s racism to racists.

Delete you crybaby ass
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You know, I'll delete (again) when the time call for it. Not when clowns tell me to.

Now, in the meantime whilst I'm still here you can go back to your friend the mute button and mute me.

I'm not the one who comes looking for a fight everytime I log on. My time is much too valuable to be wasting it all on here.
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Guns are both good and bad, depending on who is holding it.

You put it like a true American. Not that different than... "Murder is both good and bad, depending on who you're killing." It's ok the kill even innocent women and children - to bomb them into million of pieces "just to send a message..." That would only be bad (outrageous even) - if the tables would turn (if you'd get a taste if your own medicine).

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/04/american-cult-bombing-and-endless-war

"From Syria to Yemen in the Middle East, Libya to Somalia in Africa, Afghanistan to Pakistan in South Asia, an American aerial curtain has descended across a huge swath of the planet. Its stated purpose: combatting terrorism. Its primary method: constant surveillance and bombing -- and yet more bombing. Its political benefit: minimizing the number of U.S. “boots on the ground” and so American casualties in the never-ending war on terror, as well as any public outcry about Washington’s many conflicts. Its economic benefit: plenty of high-profit business for weapons makers for whom the president can now declare a national security emergency whenever he likes and so sell their warplanes and munitions to preferred dictatorships in the Middle East (no congressional approval required). Its reality for various foreign peoples: a steady diet of “Made in USA” bombs and missiles bursting here, there, and everywhere.

Think of all this as a cult of bombing on a global scale. America’s wars are increasingly waged from the air, not on the ground, a reality that makes the prospect of ending them ever more daunting. The question is: What’s driving this process?

For many of America’s decision-makers, air power has clearly become something of an abstraction. After all, except for the 9/11 attacks by those four hijacked commercial airliners, Americans haven’t been the target of such strikes since World War II. On Washington’s battlefields across the Greater Middle East and northern Africa, air power is always almost literally a one-way affair. There are no enemy air forces or significant air defenses. The skies are the exclusive property of the U.S. Air Force (and allied air forces), which means that we’re no longer talking about “war” in the normal sense. No wonder Washington policymakers and military officials see it as our strong suit, our asymmetrical advantage, our way of settling scores with evildoers, real and imagined.

Bombs away!

In a bizarre fashion, you might even say that, in the twenty-first century, the bomb and missile count replaced the Vietnam-era body count as a metric of (false) progress. Using data supplied by the U.S. military, the Council on Foreign Relations estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,172 bombs in seven countries in 2016, the bulk of them in Iraq and Syria. Against Raqqa alone, ISIS’s “capital,” the U.S. and its allies dropped more than 20,000 bombs in 2017, reducing that provincial Syrian city to literal rubble. Combined with artillery fire, the bombing of Raqqa killed more than 1,600 civilians, according to Amnesty International."

Horrible analogy
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Well... it's not that uncommon for unscrupulous people to justify any kind of malice - if that works in their favor (as the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"). At least for the time being (i keep hearing of people who changed their mind - after a family member end-up among the victims of a shooting).

How many innocent people died - for every civilian that used his weapon in self defense? 1000 to 1? 10.000 to 1? 100.000 to 1? 1.000.000 to 1? if you're to be honest... do you even care (or more like... fuck them)?! Even if millions die - as longs as you get to keep your precious toy - you seem to be more than ok with that (same goes for every weapon supporter). As mentioned in above parentheses... maybe if one day - you'll get a call from the police about your son being involved in a shooting (maybe just playing with a friend like they do it in the movies - after all "weapons are cool" ) - you might reconsider. Since then - this issue would hit close to home (unless they're affect directly - some people will never learn any better... or care).
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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown
Posted by DMV

My heart goes out to any and all affected by the recent events in the U.S.

Bull shit. "Everybodies" hearts went out to victims for like 20 years now.

The problem is the younger generation got manipulated by fake ideas (right, left, socialism, capitalism, cultural Marxism, religion, political parties, lbtg, banks, corporations, organizations pushing agendas, you name it).

Time to actually find the causes for all the aggression. Don't tell me it's sick people with guns. These sick people don't grow on trees. Antifa/Proud Prayer/Etc did not come from nowhere. Another Civil War is coming if we don't stop this madness. The shooting in the malls/schools that's just extreme incidents by maniacs that grew on that aggression.

People need to stop watching TV, politics, religion and start thinking for themselves. Soon there will be a revolution/contr revolution or both in USA.

If I could become the king of USA I would jail all politicians and make politics illegal.
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Best post that I have ever read on DXP!
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Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

I blame all this on our fucked up in the head president Donald Trump.

See, I told y'all geminis makes bad presidents.

I'm not sue Gem, the shoot outs have been happening a long time before Trump was President...
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Let’s keep it to ourselves...

Stupids are majority. Nowadays they are too stupid to go revolutionary...

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Posted by Black-Mamba

The number one statement from pro gun owners is if it was an open state you cane save lives

Well Texas is nra headquarters

What happened liars? Where are those “good guys with a gun” to protect the citizens? It’s an open carry state!

El Paso is a liberal city. It’s also Democratic in voting.

And?

Who do you think carries 99% of the guns? It sure as hell ain’t the liberals pal
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Yeah, That's true.

So what's the issue with Republicans then? Mental health issues or gun issues?
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Grumpycamper
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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown
Posted by DMV

My heart goes out to any and all affected by the recent events in the U.S.

Bull shit. "Everybodies" hearts went out to victims for like 20 years now.

The problem is the younger generation got manipulated by fake ideas (right, left, socialism, capitalism, cultural Marxism, religion, political parties, lbtg, banks, corporations, organizations pushing agendas, you name it).

Time to actually find the causes for all the aggression. Don't tell me it's sick people with guns. These sick people don't grow on trees. Antifa/Proud Prayer/Etc did not come from nowhere. Another Civil War is coming if we don't stop this madness. The shooting in the malls/schools that's just extreme incidents by maniacs that grew on that aggression.

People need to stop watching TV, politics, religion and start thinking for themselves. Soon there will be a revolution/contr revolution or both in USA.

If I could become the king of USA I would jail all politicians and make politics illegal.

This has nothing to do with guns. 0.
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Posted by Basorexia

How many more people need to die before gun control is reviewed in the USA..... ?

How is the purchase of an AK-47 justified?

It was horrible enough when they were coming for children in schools.... Now it will happen anywhere anytime... Wtf.

bill clinton ban expired and the arms companies don't want it renewed, but I think the worse shooting during the ban was columbine, and 13 people died in that, so yeah, the gun DO matter, and they were two shooters.

I kinda prefer it to happen anywhere but schools.... but I shouldn't accept that mentality, that's the new low point JFC.
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Posted by neves
Posted by ItsSupes2
Posted by neves
Posted by ItsSupes2

Guns are both good and bad, depending on who is holding it.

You put it like a true American. Not that different than... "Murder is both good and bad, depending on who you're killing." It's ok the kill even innocent women and children - to bomb them into million of pieces "just to send a message..." That would only be bad (outrageous even) - if the tables would turn (if you'd get a taste if your own medicine).

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/04/american-cult-bombing-and-endless-war

"From Syria to Yemen in the Middle East, Libya to Somalia in Africa, Afghanistan to Pakistan in South Asia, an American aerial curtain has descended across a huge swath of the planet. Its stated purpose: combatting terrorism. Its primary method: constant surveillance and bombing -- and yet more bombing. Its political benefit: minimizing the number of U.S. “boots on the ground” and so American casualties in the never-ending war on terror, as well as any public outcry about Washington’s many conflicts. Its economic benefit: plenty of high-profit business for weapons makers for whom the president can now declare a national security emergency whenever he likes and so sell their warplanes and munitions to preferred dictatorships in the Middle East (no congressional approval required). Its reality for various foreign peoples: a steady diet of “Made in USA” bombs and missiles bursting here, there, and everywhere.

Think of all this as a cult of bombing on a global scale. America’s wars are increasingly waged from the air, not on the ground, a reality that makes the prospect of ending them ever more daunting. The question is: What’s driving this process?

For many of America’s decision-makers, air power has clearly become something of an abstraction. After all, except for the 9/11 attacks by those four hijacked commercial airliners, Americans haven’t been the target of such strikes since World War II. On Washington’s battlefields across the Greater Middle East and northern Africa, air power is always almost literally a one-way affair. There are no enemy air forces or significant air defenses. The skies are the exclusive property of the U.S. Air Force (and allied air forces), which means that we’re no longer talking about “war” in the normal sense. No wonder Washington policymakers and military officials see it as our strong suit, our asymmetrical advantage, our way of settling scores with evildoers, real and imagined.

Bombs away!

In a bizarre fashion, you might even say that, in the twenty-first century, the bomb and missile count replaced the Vietnam-era body count as a metric of (false) progress. Using data supplied by the U.S. military, the Council on Foreign Relations estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,172 bombs in seven countries in 2016, the bulk of them in Iraq and Syria. Against Raqqa alone, ISIS’s “capital,” the U.S. and its allies dropped more than 20,000 bombs in 2017, reducing that provincial Syrian city to literal rubble. Combined with artillery fire, the bombing of Raqqa killed more than 1,600 civilians, according to Amnesty International."

Horrible analogy

Well... it's not that uncommon for unscrupulous people to justify any kind of malice - if that works in their favor (as the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"). At least for the time being (i keep hearing of people who changed their mind - after a family member end-up among the victims of a shooting).

How many innocent people died - for every civilian that used his weapon in self defense? 1000 to 1? 10.000 to 1? 100.000 to 1? 1.000.000 to 1? if you're to be honest... do you even care (or more like... fuck them)?! Even if millions die - as longs as you get to keep your precious toy - you seem to be more than ok with that (same goes for every weapon supporter). As mentioned in above parentheses... maybe if one day - you'll get a call from the police about your son being involved in a shooting (maybe just playing with a friend like they do it in the movies - after all "weapons are cool" ) - you might reconsider. Since then - this issue would hit close to home (unless they're affect directly - some people will never learn any better... or care).

Lol @ you.

I’ve had 3 really good friends die from gun related injuries. I saw countless people shot in Afghanistan.

Never once did I blame the gun.

I would however like to see arrests made having to do with anything ARMED get an automatic death penalty. That should make people think twice before pulling a trigger
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I believe there are more good people than bad people out there.

so why do the "good" people need to shoot so many "good" bullets to so few "bad" people? while this only makes it easy for the bad people to be able to shoot more to good people.

I don't blame the guns but I wont trust most civilians with one, why do they need more than 6 bullets anyway?
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Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

I blame all this on our fucked up in the head president Donald Trump.

See, I told y'all geminis makes bad presidents.

JFK got assassinated for being a good president. Shut the fuck up about astrology with this shit. It’s pointless.
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So I guess I need to reconsider wanting to be president someday because I might get assassinated for being a good president too huh..

And how come I can retaliate back and talk to all you sassy females on here without swearing?

Am I really getting to all y'all like that?
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Posted by firebunny

If only you can change your gun laws, this madness would finally cease...

As they say, when you give power to a person, they will have the easy proclivity to abuse it.

I think the main cause for all the shootings lies in your absurdly easy gun restrictions.


It would only get 100 times worse. We aren't talking about the rest of the world. This is America, home of the mentally unstable.

This is sad, but I'll publicly admit it. Guns are at the least the most humane way to execute innocent people. Take that away and these lunatics will just start making bombs, and methods of mass killing that are 100 times more disgusting then a gun. It's sad I have to admit that, but its true. Solving the issue isn't taking away guns. It's stopping the people before they go crazy.
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Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

I blame all this on our fucked up in the head president Donald Trump.

See, I told y'all geminis makes bad presidents.

JFK got assassinated for being a good president. Shut the fuck up about astrology with this shit. It’s pointless.

So I guess I need to reconsider wanting to be president someday because I might get assassinated for being a good president too huh..

And how come I can retaliate back and talk to all you sassy females on here without swearing?

Am I really getting to all y'all like that?
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Bro.. you admitted to beating your wife. You'll never be president
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Posted by _Dazed
Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter
Posted by LittleStar
Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

I blame all this on our fucked up in the head president Donald Trump.

See, I told y'all geminis makes bad presidents.

JFK got assassinated for being a good president. Shut the fuck up about astrology with this shit. It’s pointless.

So I guess I need to reconsider wanting to be president someday because I might get assassinated for being a good president too huh..

And how come I can retaliate back and talk to all you sassy females on here without swearing?

Am I really getting to all y'all like that?

Bro.. you admitted to beating your wife. You'll never be president
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Quit trying to talk to me. I ignores people like you. You never have anything relevant and good to say so please stop trying to get my attention you ugly attention Leo moon seeker.
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neves
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Posted by ItsSupes2
Posted by neves
Posted by ItsSupes2
Posted by neves
Posted by ItsSupes2

Guns are both good and bad, depending on who is holding it.

You put it like a true American. Not that different than... "Murder is both good and bad, depending on who you're killing." It's ok the kill even innocent women and children - to bomb them into million of pieces "just to send a message..." That would only be bad (outrageous even) - if the tables would turn (if you'd get a taste if your own medicine).

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/04/american-cult-bombing-and-endless-war

"From Syria to Yemen in the Middle East, Libya to Somalia in Africa, Afghanistan to Pakistan in South Asia, an American aerial curtain has descended across a huge swath of the planet. Its stated purpose: combatting terrorism. Its primary method: constant surveillance and bombing -- and yet more bombing. Its political benefit: minimizing the number of U.S. “boots on the ground” and so American casualties in the never-ending war on terror, as well as any public outcry about Washington’s many conflicts. Its economic benefit: plenty of high-profit business for weapons makers for whom the president can now declare a national security emergency whenever he likes and so sell their warplanes and munitions to preferred dictatorships in the Middle East (no congressional approval required). Its reality for various foreign peoples: a steady diet of “Made in USA” bombs and missiles bursting here, there, and everywhere.

Think of all this as a cult of bombing on a global scale. America’s wars are increasingly waged from the air, not on the ground, a reality that makes the prospect of ending them ever more daunting. The question is: What’s driving this process?

For many of America’s decision-makers, air power has clearly become something of an abstraction. After all, except for the 9/11 attacks by those four hijacked commercial airliners, Americans haven’t been the target of such strikes since World War II. On Washington’s battlefields across the Greater Middle East and northern Africa, air power is always almost literally a one-way affair. There are no enemy air forces or significant air defenses. The skies are the exclusive property of the U.S. Air Force (and allied air forces), which means that we’re no longer talking about “war” in the normal sense. No wonder Washington policymakers and military officials see it as our strong suit, our asymmetrical advantage, our way of settling scores with evildoers, real and imagined.

Bombs away!

In a bizarre fashion, you might even say that, in the twenty-first century, the bomb and missile count replaced the Vietnam-era body count as a metric of (false) progress. Using data supplied by the U.S. military, the Council on Foreign Relations estimated that the U.S. dropped at least 26,172 bombs in seven countries in 2016, the bulk of them in Iraq and Syria. Against Raqqa alone, ISIS’s “capital,” the U.S. and its allies dropped more than 20,000 bombs in 2017, reducing that provincial Syrian city to literal rubble. Combined with artillery fire, the bombing of Raqqa killed more than 1,600 civilians, according to Amnesty International."

Horrible analogy

Well... it's not that uncommon for unscrupulous people to justify any kind of malice - if that works in their favor (as the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"). At least for the time being (i keep hearing of people who changed their mind - after a family member end-up among the victims of a shooting).

How many innocent people died - for every civilian that used his weapon in self defense? 1000 to 1? 10.000 to 1? 100.000 to 1? 1.000.000 to 1? if you're to be honest... do you even care (or more like... fuck them)?! Even if millions die - as longs as you get to keep your precious toy - you seem to be more than ok with that (same goes for every weapon supporter). As mentioned in above parentheses... maybe if one day - you'll get a call from the police about your son being involved in a shooting (maybe just playing with a friend like they do it in the movies - after all "weapons are cool" ) - you might reconsider. Since then - this issue would hit close to home (unless they're affect directly - some people will never learn any better... or care).

Lol @ you.

I’ve had 3 really good friends die from gun related injuries. I saw countless people shot in Afghanistan.

Never once did I blame the gun.

I would however like to see arrests made having to do with anything ARMED get an automatic death penalty. That should make people think twice before pulling a trigger
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The only guy i know - whom went as a soldier in Afghanistan... came back with PTSD after witnessing those type of horrors... I guess murder is not for everyone (while for others is like a walk in the park). It is with what it is, after all... even psychopaths have a place in this world - as long as their functional members of a given society. Tho, to bad for Americans - that most of them love guns and are whiling to risk, accept and justify any amount of deaths - as long as they get to keep them.

I get that guns don't work on their own - but they're the easiest and most comfortable option to hurt others (even feeling "cool" about it - a common attitude among most of this shooters). And this guys would do it - even if there was a death penalty (since many of those - actually had that in mind... to kill themselves after committing the deed). Same goes for children "that play with guns (since they were just playing pretend - it's not like they intended to shot their best friend)".