Using signs as an excuse

I love hearing people blaming their .... moons or .... venus (insert whatever signs you like - examples only) for plain bad behaviour.

Did anyone stop and think maybe it's not their moon sign and maybe they really are just a douche?

Sometimes these signs and planets can be a crutch for issues that really should be dealt with.

Instead of being so accepting of the "over inflated ego" or the "over emotionally sensitive" planetary placements, perhaps they are a life lesson and should be looked at as such rather than an excuse for idiocy.

Just my 2.5

Firstly??_Gday

Secondly ??_.that may be the case??_??_but you try rocking an aquarius dominant chart with a scorpio moon as well as I do then get back to me??_

There are times when Ive blamed myself and hated the person that I was because other people didn't like me and I turned to astrology to learn more about myself??_.I respond strongly to aqua sun and scorpio moon and I've learnt to love to person I am a lot more even though in the beginning I never thought that would ever happen

what is your sun and moon and ascendant—_??_piscese and taurus seem pretty balanced

Suppose people don't really make a conscious effort at making a decision based on a placement, they are just being who they are. A lot of what I hear is more in retrospect and reflective after it's happened. Before learning about astrology I've always known I was a certain way and more or less after learning and a lot of reading it kinda makes you go "ahhh okay well that makes sense".

Other times it's more of a joke, "oh I'm such a fence sitter", "oh I have all the feels because... pisces" etc. Though I agree a douche is a douche, most of them generally get called out anyway.

I guess I just find it a bit funny seeing on some level we all have some sort of astro-bias, after all it's what we're here for apart from the banter and crazies.

It's funny because I grew up thinking/feeling, "What is wrong with me?". In the 5th grade I had this friend, me & her were buddies since the 1st grade but something happened on the 5th grade. I decided I didn't want to be friends with her anymore. In fact, I even started hating her. I ignored her at school, etc. I didn't know why I was doing this because she had done nothing wrong to me. A few wks passed & I started feeling normal again. I missed her. I wondered how I could have gone for so long without talking to my dear friend. We patched things up & became friends again.

This has been a pattern in my life concerning the people that are closest to me. I go through periods of extreme closeness, then suddenly I wouldn't care even if they were run over by a train. I couldn't understand this about myself. It bothered me for so long until I had my chart done a couple of years ago. Everything made sense! Through knowing my inner workings, I'm now much kinder when I need space from people. I no longer snatch it rudely the way I did with my friend in the 5th grade.

My point is, there is some truth in astrology. It shouldn't be made as a bail out for bad behaviour, though, just a tool for understanding self.

Btw, when I start to get that nauseating feeling when I'm around someone, I know it's time for a break. When I say "nauseating", I mean literally wanting to gag when I see them. My reactions are extreme lol. Being nauseated doesn't mean I hate them though, it just means "I can't stand you right now. Laters.". Next time I see them I'll be fine... if they leave me alone. The temporary hate happens when they nag me & not leaving me alone. It's tough but I've learned to live with it & be nice about it too.

Posted by Redbull
I definitely tend to think astrology influences people. As has been said I was a walking billboard for my chart before i knew any more than I was a Taurus. But lets say someone "provoked" me and I "saw red" and let rage take over uncontrollably. I would have to deal with the consequences. The police or court sure wouldnt care that i saw red or my fire Mars stepped in. So thats where being a regular mild mannered citizen comes in barring an extreme situation. Being an angry unpleasant prick isnt very fun.

Now that's just insane. Blaming your placements for committing crime? That would be a 1st. Every person in their right mind should have impulse control, doesn't even matter what kind of placements they have lol.

Posted by earthonfire
I love hearing people blaming their .... moons or .... venus (insert whatever signs you like - examples only) for plain bad behaviour.

Did anyone stop and think maybe it's not their moon sign and maybe they really are just a douche?

Sometimes these signs and planets can be a crutch for issues that really should be dealt with.

Instead of being so accepting of the "over inflated ego" or the "over emotionally sensitive" planetary placements, perhaps they are a life lesson and should be looked at as such rather than an excuse for idiocy.

Just my 2.5

I just love when people show up and assist in pouring reality into these forums.
Thanks..this is a keeper 🙂

Posted by Redbull
Nobody cares if somebody's moon is whatever or they have "a lot of fire or water" or whatnot. If your not somebody people want to deal with, they wont. Nobody cares what your placements are. They dont give extra leeway to be an asshole because of your placements. Youll just have to pay the price for how you act.

...and a double whammy.. keep them coming. I see the affect it's having!!

Posted by Scruffy
Amen! I couldn't agree more with this post.

That's four of us..

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Posted by Scruffy
Amen! I couldn't agree more with this post.

That's four of us..

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Make it 5

I haven't been reading about astrology for that long but what I've learned so far has actually helped me in dealing with people quite a bit. If I didn't understand a particular person's behavior before, after taking a peek at their chart I feel like I can better gauge where they're coming from. I can get a better sense of how to change the way I approach them so that a middle ground can be found.

Agreed. I've seen some people here excuse their craptastic behavior on a placement, and it's like omg that is not a get out of jail free card for acting like a freaking idiot.

That and you sound like an absolute moron for saying something like that. "Well I did this because of my moon, lol!" Oh stfu and go outside. :/

Posted by Redbull
Nobody cares if somebody's moon is whatever or they have "a lot of fire or water" or whatnot. If your not somebody people want to deal with, they wont. Nobody cares what your placements are. They dont give extra leeway to be an asshole because of your placements. Youll just have to pay the price for how you act.

Only people who are into astrology would get it anyway. The rest of the world would still think they're an ass.

Once we learn astrology, then it's up to us to understand those negative traits and work around them or work to improve those shortcomings.

Posted by TMV
I haven't been reading about astrology for that long but what I've learned so far has actually helped me in dealing with people quite a bit. If I didn't understand a particular person's behavior before, after taking a peek at their chart I feel like I can better gauge where they're coming from. I can get a better sense of how to change the way I approach them so that a middle ground can be found.

Yes, it makes a difference on your approach.

Well, your birth chart is supposed to be a blueprint of *you*. Those who blame their placements are blaming themselves ironically. But I guess it works even if it defies logic. I mean, it's much easier to say "my *insert whatevs here" is a stupid asshole/bitch" than "I'm a stupid asshole/bitch" and mean it. 🙂

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Posted by Jizzusizjizzin
Well, your birth chart is supposed to be a blueprint of *you*. Those who blame their placements are blaming themselves ironically. But I guess it works even if it defies logic. I mean, it's much easier to say "my *insert whatevs here" is a stupid asshole/bitch" than "I'm a stupid asshole/bitch" and mean it. 🙂

isn't that the same thing?

I know I can be impatient and I know I can be a bitch.

So, if I say my aries moon makes me impatient and my scorpio mars makes me a bitch...I'm pretty much owning up to the fact I'm an impatient bitch.

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Logically they are the same thing. But the mind doesn't work that way, so to it they may be different. Rationalizing away doesn't change the emotions those statements convey.

Posted by tiziani
It's disassociation that can lead to emotional immaturity.


"Tyler isn't at home right now. Tyler went away." - Fight Club

Gotta watch that again.

I'm all for protecting ourselves. But eventually we gotta give room to grow. Stagnation is never a good thing.

Posted by MissFisk
It's easier to deflect blame rather than take responsibility for yourself and actions.

But you could say that about social conditioning and genetics as well, couldn't you?

Regardless if you've been conditioned or born with certain inherited traits, astrological or genetic, you may be aware of why you act the way you do, but it doesnt mean you are motivated enough or feel there's a necessity to change your ways.

In a perfect world, you know....

Posted by tiziani
It's disassociation that can lead to emotional immaturity.


"Tyler isn't at home right now. Tyler went away." - Fight Club

Well, well, WELL! Is that you on your avi? If not, hook a sister up with that fine brother with the crazy Don King hair on your profile pic. LMAO. Just kidding. You're a cutie. Are you biracial? Your hair looks just like my son's. Hair rebel *French accent*

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Posted by Jizzusizjizzin
Well, your birth chart is supposed to be a blueprint of *you*. Those who blame their placements are blaming themselves ironically. But I guess it works even if it defies logic. I mean, it's much easier to say "my *insert whatevs here" is a stupid asshole/bitch" than "I'm a stupid asshole/bitch" and mean it. 🙂

isn't that the same thing?

I know I can be impatient and I know I can be a bitch.

So, if I say my aries moon makes me impatient and my scorpio mars makes me a bitch...I'm pretty much owning up to the fact I'm an impatient bitch.

Logically they are the same thing. But the mind doesn't work that way, so to it they may be different. Rationalizing away doesn't change the emotions those statements convey.

I can't grasp the point you are trying to make.

Admitting you have some negative traits within yourself allows for acceptance....acceptance perpetuates growth.

If you can't identify why you behave a certain way, how can you possibly fix it?

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The mind is not a logical machine. Even if it tries to make sense out of things, the feelings still linger deep within. Two statements may seem to mean the same thing, but deep inside we know they don't feel the same. That's why we choose to "believe" whatever hurts less and then we try to make sense out of that. To make it seem logical and true.

I probably sound like Captain Obvious, but I don't know how to make it more clear.

Hmm, that's fair. *nods*

Just to be clear, I'm completely lost at this point.

Hence my pitiful but meaningful response, lol.

Wow I've been away for a couple of days and came back to this wonderful discussion.

I'm a firm believer in astrology so that's the view I am coming from.

I've been a long time lurker of the boards and only recently made an account to start adding some input rather than going "I wish I could say...."

I'm no expert by any means and I agree that learning your chart and your placements gives you such a fantastic understanding of who you are and why you do or react as you do.

My "beef" is the ones who say things like "Well it's my .... moon that makes me do this so STFU".

Why certainly it may be your moon placement that causes you to do whatever it is that you do, however now you are aware of it and you know that it's not necessarily the most beneficial action/reaction/whatever maybe you should look at it as a "hmmm now I know WHY I do it, let's look at ways of working with it and making things better".

For the person (sorry I can't remember people's user names - you said Gday - yay) who challenged me to have an Aquarius dominant chart...well I am married to a Pisces who has a lot of Aries and Aquarius in his chart and one of my closest friends is a very outspoken Aquarian, my father is an Aquarian and my son is also.

My challenge is the Aries in my chart, alongside the Cancer Venus and Mars. I believe that is why my husnad and I were put together. He toughens me up and I soften his edges. My Aries used to cause me to speak a lot in anger and say terrible things. Once I discovered what it was that made me do that I was able to deal with it and work around it.

I am also double Taurus which makes me fat and ill tempered as well ha! My challenge is to not eat so much and not get cranky when I am deprived of chocolate!

Posted by MissFisk
It's easier to deflect blame rather than take responsibility for yourself and actions.

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Posted by earthonfire
I love hearing people blaming their .... moons or .... venus (insert whatever signs you like - examples only) for plain bad behaviour.

Did anyone stop and think maybe it's not their moon sign and maybe they really are just a douche?

Sometimes these signs and planets can be a crutch for issues that really should be dealt with.

Instead of being so accepting of the "over inflated ego" or the "over emotionally sensitive" planetary placements, perhaps they are a life lesson and should be looked at as such rather than an excuse for idiocy.

Just my 2.5

+100