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Men, men have killed the most.
Posted by hydorah
1-religion
2-capitalism/greedcommunism is not even in the top 5
An estimated 80 million innocent people were murdered during Mao's reign alone.
Pol Pot told his underlings to burn the educated and Christian types alive after they were forced to dig their own mass graves. He did this to conserve his ammunition for the escapees at the gulags, as well as other devious reasons. Some 2 million people estimated murdered in Cambodia alone. Ever hear of The Killing Fields?
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True.
That's something people don't realize about Communism--
"Throughout Cambodia, deadly purges were conducted to eliminate remnants of the "old society" -
the educated, the wealthy, Buddhist monks, police, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and former government officials.
Ex-soldiers were killed along with their wives and children.
Anyone suspected of disloyalty to Pol Pot, including eventually many Khmer Rouge leaders, was shot or bludgeoned with an ax.
"What is rotten must be removed," a Khmer Rouge slogan proclaimed.
In the villages, unsupervised gatherings of more than two persons were forbidden.
Young people were taken from their parents and placed in communals.
They were later married in collective ceremonies involving hundreds of often-unwilling couples."
LINK.
-- they kill the intellectuals, first.
It wasn't just Pol Pot, either-- it's SOP.
So much for a "utopian society"
One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic
Posted by james tate
Yeah, you're an intellectually honest person to speak with.NO ONE ON DXP IS AN INTELLECTUALLY HONEST PERSON
WE ARE JUST ONE STEP ABOVE THE NEANDERTHALS I EVEN HAVE 5 % OF THERE GENES
THATS NOT A FAIR STATEMENT DUDE MANY OF US ARE AVID READERS OF ALL KINDS OF MATERIAL FROM SCIENCE TO HISTORY SO PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATE OF THAT NEXT TIME YOU MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT
Posted by starlover
ReligionThe Catholic Church
Killed thousands of people's spirit over the years
+1
Possibly hundreds of thousands.
Posted by starlover
ReligionThe Catholic Church
Killed thousands of people's spirit over the years
Uh, yeah.
Stalin and Mao were real pussycats compared to the mass graves that the Catholics put hundreds of millions of innocent people into.
Oh, wait. The Catholic Church never killed hundreds of millions of innocent people.
Again, the intellectual dishonesty around here...
Oh, and Starlover....
Keep in mind that it was the Catholic Church, particularly under the leadership of Pope John Paul II, that gave Divine inspiration and hope to millions of Eastern European people as they struggled to free themselves from Soviet style Communism throughout the final phase of the Cold War.
This was especially true of the people yearning for freedom in my native Poland, you jackass.
Also keep in mind that the man who tried to murder Pope John Paul was a Turk with direct ties to the Communists via the KGB.
...And you want to demonize the Church instead of the Communists?
Posted by starlover
...they buggered plenty of young boys that went onto commit suicidecome to ireland and see for yourself..
and get a gf will you to calm yourself down man
and try and be a little more respectful of people and their opinions, banter and argument are healthy, name calling is puerile and uncouth
thank you sir
Nothing and no one is perfect, but to overlook what Mao and Stalin did is pretty lame.
I do not believe in, nor do I support, the molestation of ANYONE. It is terrible about what you mentioned, and it is horrific.
However, I wouldn't completely trash the Church altogether because it stood as a beacon of hope for millions while the Communists were killing and imprisoning people for the slightest things.
Posted by MellyMel909
AGAIN!! Aren't you a teacher? Do you call your students "fucking morons" or accuse them of swallowing "idiot pills" when they ask questions in class? Or if they dare to have an opposing viewpoint?Either cite some credible sources to enhance the debate, or recognize that the soapbox you're standing on *might* not be the only one in the room.
Hey Mel,
I have a better idea.
Here is your assignment.
Get online, and do a search on the following topics:
Pol Pot
Khmer Rouge
Josef Stalin
Gulags, and death counts in gulags
North Korea
Che
Fidel Castro
Mao
Great Leap Forward
Start publishing the information you read here, and tell us again why Communists don't have the highest body count and human suffering toll in recorded history.
Publish or perish.
Posted by starlover
...my son pointed out a teacher to me last night that none of the kids listen to or can stand. i asked why and my lad told me *he swears at the kids and loses control, he is just a big baby*when the teacher walked past me i saw exactly what he meant,,full of anger
not good
There are more bad teachers than good. Just because they are teachers, it doesn't mean anything. When I think back to my dealings with them, only a couple stand out.
Posted by starlover
...well i am glad you show some empathy and i see where you are coming from. one would have to live in the environment of that particular country to understand the horrors though. i work with people that have been crushed by the catholic church 😢. there is nothing good about the church now that people have dared to take the blinkers off and speak outit is built purely on greed, power and corruption, as we all know
I understand, and I am no fan of unjustifiable harm to others.
While I wouldn't necessarily say that the Church is entirely evil based on the behavior of the bad Prists, I would say it's understandable why some folks would prefer to stay out of it.
And I am sorry for calling you a jackass.
😢
Oh, and Mel...
Let's read your research on the forced famines in North Korea under Kim Jong Il's regime.
Posted by starlover
...well i am glad you show some empathy and i see where you are coming from. one would have to live in the environment of that particular country to understand the horrors though. i work with people that have been crushed by the catholic church 😢. there is nothing good about the church now that people have dared to take the blinkers off and speak outit is built purely on greed, power and corruption, as we all know
I understand, and I am no fan of unjustifiable harm to others.
While I wouldn't necessarily say that the Church is entirely evil based on the behavior of the bad Prists, I would say it's understandable why some folks would prefer to stay out of it.
And I am sorry for calling you a jackass.
😢
Stay out indeed SF. I have hundreds of accounts that have brought me to tears
I accept your apology...no more name calling now..okay? 😄
Sending pink light to you 😄
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Okay, thank you.
Just for you, I will try to be less confrontational.
Posted by starlover
...my son pointed out a teacher to me last night that none of the kids listen to or can stand. i asked why and my lad told me *he swears at the kids and loses control, he is just a big baby*when the teacher walked past me i saw exactly what he meant,,full of anger
not good
There are more bad teachers than good. Just because they are teachers, it doesn't mean anything. When I think back to my dealings with them, only a couple stand out.
hi aqua 🙂
Luckily at my lad's school the majority are good...there is just one or two that he has that are clueless.. i guess he is lucky
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Hey Star 🙂
I am glad to hear the majority are good. There are some horror stories out there... I just don't understand how "those" stay in the system.
Posted by starlover
...well i am glad you show some empathy and i see where you are coming from. one would have to live in the environment of that particular country to understand the horrors though. i work with people that have been crushed by the catholic church 😢. there is nothing good about the church now that people have dared to take the blinkers off and speak outit is built purely on greed, power and corruption, as we all know
I understand, and I am no fan of unjustifiable harm to others.
While I wouldn't necessarily say that the Church is entirely evil based on the behavior of the bad Prists, I would say it's understandable why some folks would prefer to stay out of it.
And I am sorry for calling you a jackass.
😢
Stay out indeed SF. I have hundreds of accounts that have brought me to tears
I accept your apology...no more name calling now..okay? 😄
Sending pink light to you 😄
Okay, thank you.
Just for you, I will try to be less confrontational.
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Well isn't this different. There is hope.
good on you Star ~
MEM, MEN HAVE KILLED THE MOST
SAYS AQUA
WHAT SHE DID NOT TELL
WE KILL FOR WOMEN LIKE HER
Posted by starlover
...he is reformed now Scorched...so you can save your breath 😄he's apologized to me too a couple of times. it lasts until the next time we disagree with each other.
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Well, I am not a mean guy by default, you know.
And I did mean it when I said I was sorry to you those times.
🙂
capitalism slaughters are generally not as widely mediatized as communism ones, I bet most people never heard of this
so someone was kind enough to compile a list of capitalist deaths
United States Imperialism:
Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction) 1,836
NATO Intervention in Libya 2011 15,000
Tamils killed by US backed Sri Lankan Gov. 30,000
US Revolutionary War 35,700 (If Russa removes a Monarch its bad right?)
Spanish-American War 100,000
US Made Famine in Bangladesh 1974 100,000
NATO Intervention in Libya 100,000
Guatemala 300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
Iraq (US Selling Poison Gas to Saddam) 400,000
Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply in 1991 500,000
Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
US Civil War 700,000
US Concentration Camps of Germans 1,000,000
US imposed sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
Afghanistan (War on Terrorism) 1,200,000
US Backed Dictator General Suharto 1,200,000 (Anti-commmunist dictator)
Iraq (War on Terrorism) 1,300,000
1898 American War vs Philippine 3,000,000
US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
Vietnam War* (including Cambodia & Laos) 10,000,000
Korean War* 10,000,000
Native American Genocide 114,000,000
African Slave Trade 150,000,000
* both wars caused by the us
Japanese Imperialism:
Japanese Occupation of East Timor 70,000
Japanese Bombing of China 71,105
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000
British Imperialism:
Second Boer War 75,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
The Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 20,000,000
Famine in Held British India 30,000,000
Misc. Capitalist nations:
Massacre of the Paris Commune 20,000
Dutch East Indies 25,000
Somali Child Famine Deaths 29,000
228 Massacre 30,000
French Madagascar 80,000
Indonesian Anti-Communist Purges 1965-1966 100,000,000
Philippine Insurrection 220,000
Franco Regime 300,000
Benito Mussolini regime 300,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Spanish Civil War 400,000
Mussolini??s Ethiopia 700,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 1947-2002 826,626
Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
Rawandan Genocide 1,000,000
Belgian Congo Colonization 10,000,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
First Indochina 1946-1954 1,750,000
Khmer Rouge (not communist) 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Chiang Kai Shek regime (China) 7,000,000
Congo 1886-1908 8,000,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
Post-Soviet Capitalism in Russia 1,500,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War One 60,000,000
General Disasters by Capitalism:
Hamburg Cholera Outbreak 1892 10,000
Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
Industrial Revolution Kids & Adults USA 100,000
Chetnik Collaboration & Genocide 100,000
Herero and Namaqua Genocide 110,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Albanian Genocide 270,000
Fascist Independent State of Croatia 900,000
Armenian Genocide 1,500,000
Famine of 1932-33 (Kulak policy and weather) 7,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
Children Killed by Preventable Diseases Since 9/11 208,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger 2001-2008 9/11 235,000,000
Children Died from Hunger 2009 5,256,000
Children Died from Hunger 2010 6,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 — 1990 120,000,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 — 2011) 306,000,000
1,635,271,26 Killed by capitalism
House,
There are some serious, serious flaws in your logic.
The Civil War was waged mostly due to the issue of slavery. Southerners wanted to keep slavery legal, Northerners did not. Thus you had the firing on Fort Sumter, and the rest was open warfare mostly surrounding this polarizing difference of opinion. When the war ended, slavery was over in the USA.
That shit you posted about 1 million Germans dying in US Concentration Camps is pretty fucking lame, dude. You might want to post some legitimate and certifiable data proving that the USA killed 1 million Germans in prison camps.
The Korean War started in 1950 after the unprovoked invasion from North Korea onto the South.
South Korea sent out a distress call to everyone for help, and the USA, France, England and countless others responded with military force which ultimately drove the Communists out of the country.
Vietnam was another unprovoked proxy war waged by China and the Russians to bolster communism in SE Asia. They propped up Ho Chi Minh, and gave him all the military resources under the sun to attack and enslave the South Vietnamese people. They did the same thing with Pol Pot as he waged a genocide against the educated and Christian masses in Cambodia all for the sake of advancing Communism.
The 1991 Gulf War was a response to Saddam Hussein's unprovoked attack on the Kuwaiti people. Saddam attacked them because he was bankrupt after his war with Iran.
Bill Clinton made most of the decisions (without Congressional approval) regarding intervention in the former Yugoslavia, especially with the decisions to bomb civilian areas in Belgrade. It was a public relations disaster because he did more harm than good.
Likewise, another democrat named 0bama made the decision to bomb Libya without Congressional approval.
There are a lot of gaping holes in those numbers and data you posted.
CC, stop eating crazy pills.
They are hazardous to your health, and make you look pretty stupid.
I like how the data insinuate horseshit being Capitalism.
Mussolini??s Ethiopia 700,000
Mussolini was about as Capitalist as Saddam was. Mussolini was FASCIST, not a Capitalist.
There is a ton of other shit that is totally wrong about your assertions and subsequent numbers that accompany them.
its amazing how this person put cigarette deaths on here but nothing about alcohol or car accident related deaths
Dude, why did you blame the Armenian Genocide on capitalism when that was really an genocide perpetuated by Muslims over the sake of religious and ethnic cleansing?
Seriously, that data you posted is a steaming pile of shit.
this thing is faraway from data
Posted by HouseCleaning
Khmer Rouge (not communist) 2,035,000Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
Armenian Genocide 1,500,000
This is not a legitimate list of "deaths due to Capitalism"
The Armenian genocide was a religious pogrom, HC.
The Holocaust was not due to Capitalism, and the Khmer Rouge *was* communist.
Not sure where you got this info, but it isn't even remotely reliable.
this thing is far away from being called data and i said they were kind enough to compile a list but i never said it was accurate. its something made up by communist supporters from their basements freely voicing their concerns over the capitalist deaths and i hope those fucking cock knocking mao zedong dick slobbering stalinist roaches who support this "info" find my comment along with it in a google search some day in the future along with saying they should eat shit soon one day.
its amazing in capitalist america you can still join the communist party, they're 2000 members strong. im not sure what party options you can join in china though.
Posted by HouseCleaning
this thing is far away from being called data and i said they were kind enough to compile a list but i never said it was accurate. its something made up by communist supporters from their basements freely voicing their concerns over the capitalist deaths and i hope those fucking cock knocking mao zedong dick slobbering stalinist roaches who support this "info" find my comment along with it in a google search some day in the future along with saying they should eat shit soon one day.its amazing in capitalist america you can still join the communist party, they're 2000 members strong. im not sure what party options you can join in china though.
Wish you'd said so beforehand.
And yeah, it is amazing-- McCarthy was RIGHT-- they are out in the open now, but "McCarthyism" is still used as a pejorative.
Some folks still believe that Communism simply hasn't been done right, yet-- I just smh.
😉
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Yeah, you're an intellectually honest person to speak with.
NO ONE ON DXP IS AN INTELLECTUALLY HONEST PERSON
WE ARE JUST ONE STEP ABOVE THE NEANDERTHALS I EVEN HAVE 5 % OF THERE GENES