Why are you bothered by existence of.. (Page 2)

Posted by Dianna

I could care less what someone does in the bedroom.

What bothers me is the constant changing of terminology. I was reading an article the other day and it used 10 different pronouns and terms for gay, straight, bi. I had to use the urban dictionary just to decipher wtf I was reading.

Eh I just “them” everybody in my area until they correct me. It’s the safest, neutral bet.

Posted by Earthy

Posted by Ram416

Posted by Earthy

I'm not bothered but just maybe confused sometimes

Like do trans feel like the opposite sex inside or do they just "choose" a gender

Does being trans and liking ur original sex make u gay ( like a boy turned girl liking boys)

I have so many questions for trans people

They feel like and identify with the opposite. sex .

Sexuality wise, if you're confused, just remember that sexuality =/= gender. A trans person can identify with any of the sexualities, not necessarily those assigned by cisgender society.

Mind blown again but also the second half caused more confusion

Sorry but this has always been a interest so I can't stop but

Isn't gender a relative marker of sexuality?

As in - "purpose of being born female is to reproduce with males"

As in "purpose of reproductive organs"

As in " preset to me enjoying meat😁

Praying no one get mad at me.

Um what I'm trying to say is if gender isn't = to sexuality wats the purpose of gender?

Yes that's a better way to say it😁

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Have you heard of reproduction :-)? We have different genders, because the sperm and egg have to have slightly different roles. The "gender" itself is a side-effect of the success brought by those different roles! See below.

Sexual reproduction (or mating of two organisms) is essential for survival of any species. It means genetically different offspring, some who may get the "best" from both parents and goes on to survive and multiply, when many other perish. Without sexual reproduction, life on Earth would have been unable to diversify and survive the constant change.

Imagine a world in which there was only one gender. Let's call it "pemale". Two pemales will still need to "mate" with each other, for the sake of the species, as explained above. To do this, they will need at least one egg from a pemale to get in touch with one egg from the other pemale. This means that eggs need to be brought at the surface of the body, and meet each other. Let's say, the eggs come floating towards the end of a special limb. The pemales join those limbs together, so that the eggs find each other. Eggs join to create an embryo. Hooray!

But...what a minute....if two eggs could fertilize each other, wouldn't they most likely "mate" with their own inside the limb, in a sort of "incest orgy"? How would they avoid "incest", while waiting for the eggs of a different pemale? Well, they wouldn't be able to!

So the Nature (aka evolution) solved this issues. Pemales didn't survive "inbreeding". What survived and conquered the earth, were mutant pemales that begun producing different gamets (let's call them eggs and spems). Specialized (aka different) gamets don't come on their own (they are a side effect of genetic mutations affecting the whole body)....the pemales with eggs will look different from pemales with sperm. Voila....two sexes!!

This story didn't happen in humans. It happened billions of years ago. Sexual mating was so successful, that it was practically "inherited" by the vast majority of species that lived ever since.

From the sole point of view of breeding, same sex attraction looks like an aberration. However, gay people are still very much able to breed, if they want to...they are not a "threat" to the survival of our species. Let them enjoy sex with whom they fancy, and breed (or not) with whom they can! Not any of my business. Or yours!

Many people are bothered by anything which looks unfamiliar to them.

The only way to solve this human "defect", is to make everything look familiar! Expose them to what they fear! Drag them out of their ignorance!

That's an easy answer. Ironically, it's not that different than your reason for making this topic: it threatens what they stand for (goes against their beliefs).

Posted by Elissar18

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by Elissar18

This applies to most of the list but I'm using vegans as an example. They don't just eat their salad and shut up about it. They tell you they're vegan and that you should make them special food (cater to them) or that you shouldn't eat meat (change for them). They can't they just have their own preferences quietly and leave everyone to their own. They're screaming "equal rights", "not fair", "I'm a victim" and demonizing everyone else instead of just eating their salad without making demands or forcing expectations of special treatment on others.

Honestly most of the people on that list cannot be compared to vegans. A lot of the types of people in that list have not historically had equal rights and fair treatment. There are places in the world where being gay or trans is a prison sentence, or even a death sentence. Even in more socially progressive countries there are still inequalities, hate crimes, violence, abuse, and high suicide rates. That is why there still needs to be a voice, a fight, an advocacy. Cause sometimes silence is as deadly as physical harm.

I understand in some countries it's much more serious but in western countries, people are complaining about dumb stuff like salad instead of just going about their own life. They don't just live their own way and keep to themselves. They try to push their own agenda on others. Heterosexuals do it to gay people and gay people do it to heterosexuals. They want their way to be accepted by the other instead of just being whoever they are and not caring what anyone else thinks. They try to rally up support and be pro or against something in masses and want the opposite side to change or adapt to them and be heard by them, instead of just worrying about their own life and letting others feel however they want about it. Anyway, that's what bothers me about it. That people make issues out of shit that's no ones business by making it everyone's business.

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You can have your opinions but I disagree. I'm not talking about salad. Even in Western countries, we'll use the US as an example, people of color, lgbtq, people are suffering real Injustices. I'm not sure what you mean by homosexuals pushing their agenda (gotta say that terminology does not sound very tolerant) the only agenda is wanting equal rights and acceptance of their sexuality. And yes we want that acceptance, and the only thing we want to change is intolerance. Why is that so hard to ask of another? Cause it shouldn't be. We live in a time period where people like this exist in a very vocal, and at times dangerous, minority. This man is a lawmaker.



And I'm sorry but the whole everybody should mind their own business and worry about themselves is not only lacking compassion but enabling to the people out their who take advantage of and hurt minority groups.

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Posted by Elissar18

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by Elissar18

This applies to most of the list but I'm using vegans as an example. They don't just eat their salad and shut up about it. They tell you they're vegan and that you should make them special food (cater to them) or that you shouldn't eat meat (change for them). They can't they just have their own preferences quietly and leave everyone to their own. They're screaming "equal rights", "not fair", "I'm a victim" and demonizing everyone else instead of just eating their salad without making demands or forcing expectations of special treatment on others.

Honestly most of the people on that list cannot be compared to vegans. A lot of the types of people in that list have not historically had equal rights and fair treatment. There are places in the world where being gay or trans is a prison sentence, or even a death sentence. Even in more socially progressive countries there are still inequalities, hate crimes, violence, abuse, and high suicide rates. That is why there still needs to be a voice, a fight, an advocacy. Cause sometimes silence is as deadly as physical harm.

I understand in some countries it's much more serious but in western countries, people are complaining about dumb stuff like salad instead of just going about their own life. They don't just live their own way and keep to themselves. They try to push their own agenda on others. Heterosexuals do it to gay people and gay people do it to heterosexuals. They want their way to be accepted by the other instead of just being whoever they are and not caring what anyone else thinks. They try to rally up support and be pro or against something in masses and want the opposite side to change or adapt to them and be heard by them, instead of just worrying about their own life and letting others feel however they want about it. Anyway, that's what bothers me about it. That people make issues out of shit that's no ones business by making it everyone's business.

You can have your opinions but I disagree. I'm not talking about salad. Even in Western countries, we'll use the US as an example, people of color, lgbtq, people are suffering real Injustices. I'm not sure what you mean by homosexuals pushing their agenda (gotta say that terminology does not sound very tolerant) the only agenda is wanting equal rights and acceptance of their sexuality. And yes we want that acceptance, and the only thing we want to change is intolerance. Why is that so hard to ask of another? Cause it shouldn't be. We live in a time period where people like this exist in a very vocal, and at times dangerous, minority. This man is a lawmaker.

And I'm sorry but the whole everybody should mind their own business and worry about themselves is not only lacking compassion but enabling to the people out their who take advantage of and hurt minority groups.

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So to clarify. .do you believe, per the bolded above, that those who wish to be left alone should be compelled against their will to agree with whatever cause du jour you support?

That is a simple yes/no question.

Posted by Earthy

Also bi people

Is it like ur attracted to both sexual organs

Or are u sexual organs not a thing.

Or is it basically you fall for a person then become attracted to whatever organ they have.

I get loving a person but sexual attraction is different

As others have said..

Bisexuality is a spectrum.

For me personally.. Sex in itself is not all that important to me. I can take it or leave it. However, I do enjoy having sex with both women, and men.

As far as love goes, I've never really seen myself loving a man romantically. I generally only date women. I would date a couple though if the opportunity presented itself.

Posted by TheRabbit

Idgaf unless you also smell like patchouli.

I happen to like the smell of patchouli.

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Posted by Ram416

Posted by Aliensusedourbogroll

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

What’s so wrong with recognising other sexualities other than heterosexuality? The only thing that’s being pushed is heterosexuality. It’s shoved down our throat 24/7. For any example of non heterosexuality in our society I can give you 100 examples of heterosexuality.

Tbf I have encountered gay people who force sexuality on trans,bi and straight people. Not as common as heteros who do the same thing, but IMO it's a lot worse when it's being imposed by someone from your own community.

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Thankfully I don't get this too much as a bi man but I've seen some lesbian acquaintances become upset with their bisexual partners.

"You're either gay or you're not."

I think a lot of that stems from insecurities in general.

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by TheRabbit

Idgaf unless you also smell like patchouli.

I happen to like the smell of patchouli.

I don't.

Bad memories...

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I came.

So good memories

Posted by Elissar18

This applies to most of the list but I'm using vegans as an example. They don't just eat their salad and shut up about it. They tell you they're vegan and that you should make them special food (cater to them) or that you shouldn't eat meat (change for them). They can't they just have their own preferences quietly and leave everyone to their own. They're screaming "equal rights", "not fair", "I'm a victim" and demonizing everyone else instead of just eating their salad without making demands or forcing expectations of special treatment on others.

Not even close and a very bad example.

Vegans aren't discriminated against in regards to jobs, housing, marriage, etc.

Vegans aren't victims of hate crimes.

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Posted by Elissar18

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by Elissar18

This applies to most of the list but I'm using vegans as an example. They don't just eat their salad and shut up about it. They tell you they're vegan and that you should make them special food (cater to them) or that you shouldn't eat meat (change for them). They can't they just have their own preferences quietly and leave everyone to their own. They're screaming "equal rights", "not fair", "I'm a victim" and demonizing everyone else instead of just eating their salad without making demands or forcing expectations of special treatment on others.

Honestly most of the people on that list cannot be compared to vegans. A lot of the types of people in that list have not historically had equal rights and fair treatment. There are places in the world where being gay or trans is a prison sentence, or even a death sentence. Even in more socially progressive countries there are still inequalities, hate crimes, violence, abuse, and high suicide rates. That is why there still needs to be a voice, a fight, an advocacy. Cause sometimes silence is as deadly as physical harm.

I understand in some countries it's much more serious but in western countries, people are complaining about dumb stuff like salad instead of just going about their own life. They don't just live their own way and keep to themselves. They try to push their own agenda on others. Heterosexuals do it to gay people and gay people do it to heterosexuals. They want their way to be accepted by the other instead of just being whoever they are and not caring what anyone else thinks. They try to rally up support and be pro or against something in masses and want the opposite side to change or adapt to them and be heard by them, instead of just worrying about their own life and letting others feel however they want about it. Anyway, that's what bothers me about it. That people make issues out of shit that's no ones business by making it everyone's business.

Yeah I hate it when kids get uppity about being forced to go gay conversion therapy. Sooooo lame right. Or when trans people whinge about being forced to use public toilets they’re not comfortable with. Who cares if there’s a chance of being assaulted?! Not you obviously.

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Preach

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Which rights do they not have?

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Initially "gay marriage" which Conservatives fought tooth and nail against.

But now it's a fight to add gender identity and sexuality to the protected classes so that people aren't discriminated against when wanting to be served, housed, employed, etc.

FWIW.. I would like to see political beliefs added also. You shouldn't be denied service simply because you're wearing a MAGA hat or wearing a BLM shirt.

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Which rights do they not have?

Initially "gay marriage" which Conservatives fought tooth and nail against.

But now it's a fight to add gender identity and sexuality to the protected classes so that people aren't discriminated against when wanting to be served, housed, employed, etc.

FWIW.. I would like to see political beliefs added also. You shouldn't be denied service simply because you're wearing a MAGA hat or wearing a BLM shirt.

There are already laws regarding anti-discrimination based on sex.

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sex =/= gender

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Which rights do they not have?

Initially "gay marriage" which Conservatives fought tooth and nail against.

But now it's a fight to add gender identity and sexuality to the protected classes so that people aren't discriminated against when wanting to be served, housed, employed, etc.

FWIW.. I would like to see political beliefs added also. You shouldn't be denied service simply because you're wearing a MAGA hat or wearing a BLM shirt.

There are already laws regarding anti-discrimination based on sex.

sex =/= gender

According to the law it does. According to you it does not.

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The law does not distinguish between the two.

Are you opposed to that being added in there? Why or why not?

Posted by tiziani

whole thing sounds like an American thing tbf.

Mainly.

You don't see too many people protesting the improper use of arbitrarily created gender pronouns in say, Venezuela or Zimbabwe. They have bigger problems to worry about (like how to keep from starving).

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Which rights do they not have?

Initially "gay marriage" which Conservatives fought tooth and nail against.

But now it's a fight to add gender identity and sexuality to the protected classes so that people aren't discriminated against when wanting to be served, housed, employed, etc.

FWIW.. I would like to see political beliefs added also. You shouldn't be denied service simply because you're wearing a MAGA hat or wearing a BLM shirt.

There are already laws regarding anti-discrimination based on sex.

sex =/= gender

According to the law it does. According to you it does not.

The law does not distinguish between the two.

Are you opposed to that being added in there? Why or why not?

It does and the law makes EVERY sex or gender EQUAL. It’s already being addressed in the law. Every single person on this planet is either male or female.

People can identify with whichever sex they choose to. That does need not need to be addressed in the law.

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Up to 2015, the following states introduced policies to protect employees from discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation in both the public and private sector:

California

Colorado

Connecticut

Delaware

Hawaii

Illinois

Iowa

Maine

Maryland

Massachusetts

Minnesota

Nevada

New Jersey

New Mexico

Oregon

Rhode Island

Utah

Vermont

Washington and the District of Columbia

The following states have legislation to protect private sector employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation, but have no law concerning discrimination based on gender identity:

New Hampshire

New York

Wisconsin

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

I don't believe it has anything to do with appearing "normal".

It's all about equal rights.

Which rights do they not have?

Initially "gay marriage" which Conservatives fought tooth and nail against.

But now it's a fight to add gender identity and sexuality to the protected classes so that people aren't discriminated against when wanting to be served, housed, employed, etc.

FWIW.. I would like to see political beliefs added also. You shouldn't be denied service simply because you're wearing a MAGA hat or wearing a BLM shirt.

There are already laws regarding anti-discrimination based on sex.

sex =/= gender

According to the law it does. According to you it does not.

The law does not distinguish between the two.

Are you opposed to that being added in there? Why or why not?

It does and the law makes EVERY sex or gender EQUAL. It’s already being addressed in the law. Every single person on this planet is either male or female.

People can identify with whichever sex they choose to. That does need not need to be addressed in the law.

Up to 2015, the following states introduced policies to protect employees from discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation in both the public and private sector:

California

Colorado

Connecticut

Delaware

Hawaii

Illinois

Iowa

Maine

Maryland

Massachusetts

Minnesota

Nevada

New Jersey

New Mexico

Oregon

Rhode Island

Utah

Vermont

Washington and the District of Columbia

The following states have legislation to protect private sector employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation, but have no law concerning discrimination based on gender identity:

New Hampshire

New York

Wisconsin

I’ll be more specific.

I have no problem with them putting into law on the basis of gender identity or politics to not be discriminated against. I just do not think it is needed as I believe it is overkill

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Fair enough

Posted by neves

That's an easy answer. Ironically, it's not that different than your reason for making this topic: it threatens what they stand for (goes against their beliefs).

My reason to making this topic is pure troll/provoking people to talk about this stuff in a self-made setting, which is like 100% of everything I post on this forsaken place anyways.

It’s an excellent Gemini moon lab lol

Personally I'm not. I don't care. I mind my business. I don't have opinions on how anyone chooses to live. Like, you gotta do you, hey.

I'm not God, so I don't judge. We all will be judged so I try to humble myself and focus on improving. I'm not in anyone else's business.

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Posted by Ram416

Posted by Aliensusedourbogroll

Posted by ItsSupes2

People worry about others business too damn much. Also, people are so concerned about being considered “normal”.

Why is this huge push for forcing others to recognize others sexuality?

People want others to stay in their lanes while at the same time putting their business on the streets.

What’s so wrong with recognising other sexualities other than heterosexuality? The only thing that’s being pushed is heterosexuality. It’s shoved down our throat 24/7. For any example of non heterosexuality in our society I can give you 100 examples of heterosexuality.

Tbf I have encountered gay people who force sexuality on trans,bi and straight people. Not as common as heteros who do the same thing, but IMO it's a lot worse when it's being imposed by someone from your own community.

Thankfully I don't get this too much as a bi man but I've seen some lesbian acquaintances become upset with their bisexual partners.

"You're either gay or you're not."

I think a lot of that stems from insecurities in general.

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Yes. Personally I think it happens more often to bisexual women in the lesbian community than with bi men in the gay community.

Most biphobic gay men steer clear of bi men, but some lesbians will try to date bi women to change them.

As for transpeople here, the worst that's happened was them not being allowed to set up a booth during a Pride event.

Posted by Notmyrealname

Hmm... as far as the trans issue, and people not just ‘picking a gender’ it is more complicated than that. Not the least because gender is a social construct, but also because sex itself is becoming more complicated.

In general, more information = more complicated.

And we’ve never had more information available to us than now!

We’ve known about intersex cases forever but this has largely revolved around hermaphrodites, or people with easily identifiable ambiguous sexual organs... what is becoming more and more clear as science progresses is the possibility of hormonal and genetic factors that don’t follow the development of the rest of the body. As an example in androgen insensitivity syndrome, a person with male chromosomes could appear entirely female because their body is unable to recognise/use testosterone... (I’m remembering a case where two sisters tried to argue in Islamic court that they should be recognised as men because of their XY chromosomes so that their inheritance could be passed to them as per law, don’t know what the outcome was but interesting anyways!)

Even up until this year scientists are discovering new genetic or other factors that influence development of sex, and I think as a general rule, because there is still so much to be understood, a smart thing to do would be to hold off on judgmental attitudes on trans people or other people with gender dysphoric symptoms because it does seem at least possible if not likely, that a biological component could be involved.

That isn’t to say that we shouldn’t all be less judgmental anyways even if there isn’t of course! We’ve really twisted the ideas of ‘male’ and ‘female’ behaviour up into unrecognisable charictures as far as nature or biology is concerned. Best outcome I reckon would be to ease back on the hysterical over-polarising of the genders so that people can be comfortable acting whatever way they like in whatever body they have.

I was wondering when someone would mention intersex people. They're still very much treated as invisible, like lesbians used to be treated in the first half of 20th century.

Thank you.

Posted by RamOfPeace

Of queers

Of trans people

Of genderfluid people

Of non-monogamists

Of anyone who’s not Christian or religious

Of immigrants

Of people of color

Of performers

Of crossdressers and drag queens

Of sex workers

Of kinksters

Of other minorities and alt culture members

Of anyone who doesn’t act, look, dress, and live like your standard muggle population

We’ve been here for centuries, survived countless acts of violence fueled by phobia, and we’re going to remain here for centuries to come. Get over yourselves.

bothered is a weird word to use here, I do have some opinions about some of those topics that some people don't agree with.

also saying that phobias are the reasoning behind targeted violence is dumb, is hatred mixed with stupidity

people who have arachnophobia don't go around trying to kill as many spider as they can, it would be fun though, as many phobias are cured with exposure therapy lmao, I can imagine that....