Would you kill yourself?

people should be able to do whatever they want.......Should people have a right to say what others are allowed to do with their bodies?

I don't think so... only because where do you draw the line on who should and who shouldn't?

Just like this awful case of Gigi Jordan who killed her son believing she was helping him.

suffering is vast

In the animal kingdom, mothers kill their unhealthy offspring .... the only difference with us and them is that our feelings are attached to emotions.

What if you were the immediate next of kin to someone who had an advanced directive, and then fell into a coma .... would you pull the plug?

Posted by P-AngelDo you think people should be allowed to kill themselves?

To kill themselves, absolutely yes. It's that person's life to do with as they wish. I could never walk in another's shoes so who am I to presume what they should deal with or decide what they should do? Since I have no desire to control other people I have no interest in making such decisions.

To kill others in the supposed name of kindness... that gets a lot more tricky.

Posted by xy

.... the conscious part of life where you're stuck and limited in a body that you ended up with.

Is existing living?

I think they should be allowed. Their life is their own.

I know a lot of people talk about God and relationships and "belonging" to each other but the truth is, nobody belongs to anybody. God even gives us free will to do what we choose with our lives. So if someone wants to take theirs, terminally ill or not, they should be allowed to. It may seem like there's no compassion, but it is actually about respect. Ironically, it is man that often takes life without so much as a word from the one(s) who lose it. Be it religion, justice, crime(those factors are often linked) we decide for others whether they live or die without even knowing the full truth and ramifications of those actions.

Its man's age old argument of trying to find moral justifucation for selfishness...and the control of another.

I'd have to experience it myself. It depends of too many things.

On the second question, it depends of what you mean by "people". To be able to take such a decision, they should be in their right state of mind and be mature enough to understand the consequences of carrying out such an action. If they are then I'd say yes, why not?

Freedom often comes at the cost of safety and viceversa.

I think existence is a gift. There is much to learn through all of it. The good and the bad. You mentioned the animal kingdom... I don't think they do much LIVING but rather EXIST.

frankly, it's a tough debate...

Posted by tiziani
I believe I would choose life in all cases.

I'm like this too, I would fight till the end to be around... but I'm a sick optimistic some would say 🙂

Posted by P-Angel
Do you think people should be allowed to kill themselves?

I'd be happy if there were an Office where I could go to and ask for a kill. I've seen it in a scifi movie long a ago. I'm afraid I still have to wait for that office.

No. It just ain't right

Every life is unbelievably unlikely, the chances of existence are most infinitely small. If you want to end it because you're afraid of pain then go ahead if pain, fear and suffering is the only thing you want to fill your head with on your last days on earth then go ahead but honestly people need to understand that even though you're suffering you are still alive to throw it away because of pain is just ridiculous......there are people who live with chronic pain for years on end and they don't kill themselves, my aunty was trampled by her horse and broke her spine and she is always on pain, mind you shes doped up on morphine all the time and is riddled with cancer but she still has balls of steel and is living her life.

I wonder if this woman who died so young used cannabis oil as a last resort and if it worked or not...

Completely circumstantial.

I tend to agree with beautifulsoul74 ... a person's life is their own to choose what they want to do with it.

Posted by P-Angel

I think if they are going to die a painful slow death, why not have a choice to go on your own terms. I can't imagine being in her shoes but it would be so hard to say good bye to my children and family. I hurt just thinking of how hard that decision must have been for her to make. That the pain in which she didn't want to bear vs seeing them again.

Brittany Lauren Maynard

November 19, 1984 — November 1, 2014


Sun - Scorpio
Moon - Libra
Mercury - Sagittarius
Venus - Capricorn
Mars - Aquarius

yes, if i ever become terminally ill or end up a vegetable or paralyzed from the neck to feet. i'd want the plug pulled. that's not living anymore. i dont want to be a burden and just let my husband incur medical bills to keep me 'alive'.

euthanasia should be legalized. dr. kevorkian did a lot of good helping people in pain but he didnt help the mentally ill though. just those that lived in pain and suffer on a daily basis. RIP!

If I was losing my mental faculties like this woman??_ I most certainly seriously be considering this option. And if I lived in a state that would grant me that right, and I had to ask my whole family to move with me while I was dying??_ I would fucking tell people about it too.

And if putting myself and my story out there, made a difference in someone else's rights, made it better for others after me, and gave my last months on earth some other purpose. I??d be pretty fucking happy about that.

You got to think, everyone in this situation isn't going to have the means to move to a state that has this option.

What are you going to do? if you ask someone to help you die, or get you medication. then your putting them at risk for being prosecuted. Most forms of suicide aren't fucking pleasant. What are you going to do? Take a bunch of pills, what is it going to do to you? What are your last few hours going to be like? Go out into the garage and turn your car on?

The point is to DIE WITH DIGNITY!

Because if its against the law, it turns into some kind of secret to hide, something to be ashamed of. And I don't think it should be. That's not how I want to die, and I don't think other people should have to either. Given the opportunity I'd want to celebrate my death as I choose.

I don't think the government or any other person, should not own this decision for someone else.

Also if its not clear, I think twinks comments are retarded. But that's just how i feel about that.

Posted by P-Angel


Do you think people should be allowed to kill themselves?

They are... it isn't like they can be stopped unless they say something

or ask for assistance.

If the say something, it's likely a cry for help.

If they ask for assistance, then I think it should be considered only in terminal cases.

Regardless terminal cases should be able to enjoy all the morphine they want or

need until that or the disease takes them.

I don't think assisted suicide should be an option for healthy people.

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Posted by tiziani
I believe I would choose life in all cases.

I'm like this too, I would fight till the end to be around... but I'm a sick optimistic some would say 🙂

yeah, y'all, let us fight against forced prostitution on the last days of our lives.

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Forced prostitution? Lol didn't mean to touch a nerve there...

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Posted by tiziani
I believe I would choose life in all cases.

I'm like this too, I would fight till the end to be around... but I'm a sick optimistic some would say 🙂

yeah, y'all, let us fight against forced prostitution on the last days of our lives.

Forced prostitution? Lol didn't mean to touch a nerve there...

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hmmmm... not a bad thing. It just inspired me. If I'm to die anyway let me help free some slaves of crime. Victims of forced prostitute try often to free themselves. Unfortunately without success.

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
people should be able to do whatever they want.......Should people have a right to say what others are allowed to do with their bodies?

Excellent...

Add —thoughts?? to that formula and we may be agreed on something called personal FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

Posted by peritwinkle
There are many ways and means of killing yourself.

I don't see why she is turning this isn't a publicity thing.

If she really wanted to die, she could do it herself and not drag anyone else into the matter.

Posted by peritwinkle
It feels more to me that it's an existential crisis thing. Oh I'm going to die, but this way I will be known and be on national television and will be remembered.

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+1

It's both, I think... and actually much, much worse.

Soo glad someone mentioned this.


She is a poster-child for a political/social agenda.

I read an article she wrote and the wording sounded so ... choreographed. :/


"I could develop morphine-resistant pain..."


But then, she may not-- we aren't told about the odds.

Bottom line: I don't think this is really about free-choice.


This is what Dr. Ira Byock had to say about Maynard (she addressed his comments),

as well as the reality of legalized assisted suicide:


"You know, Oregon??s law was modeled after Holland and Belgium. And in Holland and

Belgium these days, people are being euthanized, by their own volition, for things

like depression or ringing of the ears, not just pain.


You know, Compassion & Choices actually sold to the public the legalization of physician-

assisted suicide because of unremitting pain. But... [w]hat's happening

now is that over 85 percent of people who use Oregon??s law and end their life do so because

of existential or emotional suffering, feeling of being a burden to their families, feeling

the loss of the ability to enjoy life, feeling the loss of meaning.


Well, once those become criteria, there are a lot of problems and human suffering that then

becomes open to assisted suicide and euthanasia. It's an undeniable fact that the slippery

slope exists.... "


....

It does and it's convenient.

The weak, ill and dying are a 'burden' on society, financially-- and you can't just kill them.

But if they kill themselves, well...


This is about greed-- that of the insurance giants, and of course-- the government.

Posted by fishinamaize
... no one actually has a "right" to be alive...

How do you figure that?

😕

Ok well from what I saw and read, her biggest issues weren't about pain. It was about losing her mental capacity. THIS IS A BRAIN TUMOR!

Eating all the parts of who you are until your finally dead!

If I have two weeks to live, and I have to spend that time being a shell in my own body aware enough to know that not only have I lost control of my body, but aware that I'm progressively losing the ability of cognitive thought. Give me the fucking right to make that decision for myself.

I just think its hilarious that people will judge this women, when you really have no idea what its like to be on that level.

This isn't "oh my boyfriend broke up with me boohoo i'm going share my pain with the world and get some attention for it."

THIS IS THE END OF LIFE!

And what if this was your sister, what are you going to say??_

—Oh Britney, you know you??re just doing this to give your life meaning before you??re dead. And your only thinking about yourself, because after all this is over??_ we??re the ones that have to keep on living! And now it's going to be in the shadow of my famous dead sister!??

Just know that shes burning in hell right now for committing the ultimate sinful act..the devil is probably fukking her tumor filled brains out as we speak

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Posted by Montgomery

Posted by fishinamaize... no one actually has a "right" to be alive...

How do you figure that? 😕

... humans are not the masters of life. It makes no sense to force it upon someone who doesn't want it.

Come to think of it, the only true right we have as mortal beings is the right to DEATH ...

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I agree. (it's obvious too)

Another issue is: would they make use of their right to DEATH when some people who love them care to say they need more together time? Maybe reciprocal friendliness have a better chance to postpone suicide trials. Rather than logical or religious basis.

Posted by Astrobyn
Ok well from what I saw and read, her biggest issues weren't about pain. It was about losing her mental capacity. THIS IS A BRAIN TUMOR!
...

If you're addressing me-- and it appears you are-- then I'm confused.

That wasn't my point-- obviously.

Posted by Montgomery
She is a poster-child for a political/social agenda.

Bottom line: I don't think this is really about free-choice.

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More:

Dr. Ira Byock (palliative care expert), of the Providence Institute for Human Caring,

asserted earlier that Maynard is —being exploited?? by a nonprofit advocating for death-

with-dignity laws.

—One of the things I disagree with is that Brittany Maynard has just said again that

she thinks it's her personal choice. But you know, physician-assisted suicide is not

a personal act, it's a social act. Physicians aren't personal. We are trained by society

??_ So when a physician writes a lethal prescription, it's a social act.??



..........



'Compassion & Care' is heavily funded by stupid George Soros.

There *is* a bigger motive here than mere "death with dignity."



Jeez... have a google.

One again, leave it to someone to bring right wing politics and conspiracies into this situation. Just because its on google, doesn't make it factual.

For you all to be so much for freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility, you guys sure like exerting control over others lives, and then use the very thing you claim is the "problem" to do it...government...and then make up "facts" that don't stand up to impartial scrutiny to support your case.

Everyone here seems to understand that politics has nothing to do with it. Her decision is really no different than if she made arrangements if she were dying in a hospital to have the plug pulled. Nobody says shit about politics then and understand what's happening. But since she decided to do it before it gets to that point,still at her own valution, it's some conspiracy??

Please spare us the fear mongering.

Posted by fishinamaize


Humans made up the concept of rights.

Exactly. To live, to die are basic things of Life, natural world. Not human rights! Saying one has right on his own life or his own death would mean - he has a just claim on it. That is ridiculous! And who is the judge of that? What kind of moral and ethical background will shape the opinion that will serve as a rule to dictate other person's "right" to live or die?

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
I don't think so... only because where do you draw the line on who should and who shouldn't?

Just like this awful case of Gigi Jordan who killed her son believing she was helping him.

That's murder.. not suicide though.

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Well, it is her son and according to her she could put him out of his misery. I don't know if you are familiar with the case but it was a compassionate killing or a double suicide (her part was obviously botched. They had discussed it for quite a while.

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Posted by Montgomery

Posted by fishinamaize
... no one actually has a "right" to be alive...

How do you figure that?

😕

Humans made up the concept of rights. We claim certain privileges but those only apply in the context of other people, and only the people who give a fuck. It's not like we can tell nature itself we have the right to life and expect nature to respect that.

It's a nice thought that you have a right to life, but tell that to all the people who are already dead. You can't give them back their lives, so we clearly are not masters of life who are entitled to it. It's not as if any of us earned life through our actions, we just received it by chance over x^x other sperm-folk who could have had it and as soon as we die, we're replaced by someone else being born. Not 1 living creature actually deserves life, we all were just happened upon it by chance.

My point is, humans are not the masters of life. It makes no sense to force it upon someone who doesn't want it.

Come to think of it, the only true right we have as mortal beings is the right to DEATH because that's the only thing we inherit as lifeforms. Someone who desires to meet death on their own terms, who chooses to face oblivion of their own accord instead of when life (and death) dictates it... taking it away from them seems like a sort of cruel joke. Almost a sin.

Almost

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Yes, I think along these lines.

Posted by FVME
Compassionate killing is not suicide though.

ok expert

she wanted to commit suicide but didn't want to leave her kid behind... see, choices -- that's what happens when you give people choices

Posted by FVME
I'm not claiming to be an expert but suicide is taking yourself out.

Don't get all huffy because I have a different view.

I'm not getting huffy, you're the one who keeps bringing my view up 🙂

Her case is special. She's dying and it won't be a painless death.
I respect her choice.
Not sure what I would do honestly.

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
I don't think so... only because where do you draw the line on who should and who shouldn't?

Just like this awful case of Gigi Jordan who killed her son believing she was helping him.

That's murder.. not suicide though.

Well, it is her son and according to her she could put him out of his misery. I don't know if you are familiar with the case but it was a compassionate killing or a double suicide (her part was obviously botched. They had discussed it for quite a while.

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where is the snide remark to your original comment to my view? lol

whateverrr

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
I think existence is a gift. There is much to learn through all of it. The good and the bad. You mentioned the animal kingdom... I don't think they do much LIVING but rather EXIST.

When Dxpers try to be hardcore survivors but come across as dumbasses.

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LOL I love you too.

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Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by FVME
Compassionate killing is not suicide though.

ok expert

Found it for you.

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nice job 😉

If I ever find myself in a situation like that Maynard woman, I hope I can remember her vids and perhaps borrow the courage to off myself as well.

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Posted by P-Angel

R.I.P.

Marketing Director at my cousin's job died violently from cancer in front of her family and friends.

Her mother is still fucked up about it to this day.

Killing yourself is the only option under such circumstances.

Life isn't like a video game.

If you have been diagnosed to die, chances are you WILL die.

Holding on inflicts more damage.

Make Peace and Let it Go.

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LOL Moses has spoken.

when dxpers think they're god ^

Posted by beautifulsoul74
One again, leave it to someone to bring right wing politics and conspiracies into this situation. Just because its on google, doesn't make it factual.

lol

Just because it's on google doesn't make it false, either.

Google is a search engine; literally everything is searchable.

Posted by beautifulsoul74
For you all to be so much for freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility, you guys sure like exerting control over others lives, and then use the very thing you claim is the "problem" to do it...government...and then make up "facts" that don't stand up to impartial scrutiny to support your case.

Everyone here seems to understand that politics has nothing to do with it.

Her decision is really no different than if she made arrangements if she were dying in a hospital to have the plug pulled. Nobody says shit about politics then and understand what's happening. But since she decided to do it before it gets to that point,still at her own valution, it's some conspiracy??

Please spare us the fear mongering.

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Interesting... I said that euthanasia should be considered only in terminal cases

(unremitting pain being a factor).

What part of that do you have a problem with?


My point was, and has consistently been, the gross exploitation of this

young woman.

I think it's terribly naive of you to think exploitation is impossible, here,

just because you agree with her stance-- that is, assisted suicide on demand.


Also

Please show this made up "fact" or "facts" that I have supposedly posted.

Your comments are so general that I have no way of knowing what, exactly,

what you're talking about.