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terminal cases should be able to enjoy all the morphine they want or need until that or the disease takes them.
I don't think assisted suicide should be an option for healthy people.
I would agree with you, except that morphine isn't the greatest idea if the patient's vital organs are already in a state of compromise. That'd do a number on a sick person's liver. Which, to be fair, presumably isn't among top concerns if they've already got 1 foot in the grave 😢
and I hope nobody believes assisted suicide should be made medically/legally available to anyone & everyone who felt they wanted to die.
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Maybe I wasn't clear...
I wasn't talking about an asymptomatic person with a
a prognosis of more than a year.
If someone is in need of palliative care
(i.e. on their deathbed), then as you said.
the effects on their liver would be irrelevant
because death is imminent.
If there is an allergy or renal failure, any number
of alternatives to more or less anesthetize them
are available... point being, they get whatever it takes
to keep them comfortable.
And regularly... not "as needed."
Sorry for any confusion.
In my belief system, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves for any reason.
Why do they have to be terminally ill?
Maybe they don't like life, maybe they just don't desire to be around any longer ... it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they please.
I would kill myself. I have no fear of death.
In my belief system, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves for any reason.
Why do they have to be terminally ill?
Maybe they don't like life, maybe they just don't desire to be around any longer ... it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they please.
I would kill myself. I have no fear of death.
They shouldn't be allowed to because..... "The sun will come out tomorrow............"
Feelings of despair today, may be feelings of joy tomorrow.
Many that have attempted suicide (some multiple times), are thriving, happy, and thankful that they were unsuccessful in their attempts.
In other words -- feelings. They change. Often.
Hang on. We are all going to die. Sooner or later. Is suffering involved in most cases? Probably. Should we sign up to kill ourselves SOONER to minimize suffering?
I don't know...
Posted by xy
Living isn't more important than death.
no it isn't --but it is a journey
Posted by xy
Living isn't more important than death.
Not really sure what you are insinuating.
One cannot exist without the other.
Posted by xy
Living isn't more important than death.Not really sure what you are insinuating.
One cannot exist without the other.
Living and death is part of life.
Feelings can change, sometimes it doesn't.
If someone wishes to die, why not grant it?
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First off -- it's not my wish to grant.
If you want to kill yourself, no one needs advanced notice, and you cannot be stopped.
If you come to someone looking for validation, assistance, or permission, then I don't really think you want to commit suicide.
You desperately want someone to dissuade you from doing so.
I agree.
Also, it's possible that there aren't any new souls, and so the physical life has been experienced 1,000's of times over and again ..... which renders life on the physical plane insignificant in comparison to whole.
People take the existence life way too seriously ... just because our feelings are attached to emotions doesn't make us any more important than a miniscule ant.
It is xy that I'm agreeing with.
In my belief system, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves for any reason.
Why do they have to be terminally ill?
Maybe they don't like life, maybe they just don't desire to be around any longer ... it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they please.
I would kill myself. I have no fear of death.
They shouldn't be allowed to because..... "The sun will come out tomorrow............"
Feelings of despair today, may be feelings of joy tomorrow.
Captenn think about this scenario.
You are in Syria, your best friend gets hit by a mortar shell up his ass.
He is cut in half, all disemboweled with intestines all burnt and exposed...pretty much has no chance in hell to survive.
You see his extreme pain and distress...he looks at you and begs you to shoot him..."kill meeeeeeee," he whimpers.
Instead you turn around and reply with
"Fight through it mate, you never know the sun will come out tomorrow."
Pat him on the head, walk away feeling powerful.
Yup, good logica Cap...you are now supporting torture.
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The scenario you are painting is quite a bit different from what is being discussed here.
Thanks for playing along, though.
Posted by aquapiscescusp
Hang on. We are all going to die. Sooner or later. Is suffering involved in most cases? Probably.Should we sign up to kill ourselves SOONER to minimize suffering?
...
Someone's catching on.
+1
Posted by Slicks
At the very least a person should be allowed the dignityto end a life that has become insufferable.
Allowed the dignity... how does that translate to you?
Are you saying that they should be able to go to the doc and
get a prescription that will kill them?
That doctors should legally be able to do so for patients, on demand?
Just looking for clarification.
Posted by Slicks
At the very least a person should be allowed the dignityto end a life that has become insufferable.
Allowed the dignity... how does that translate to you?
Are you saying that they should be able to go to the doc and
get a prescription that will kill them?
That doctors should legally be able to do so for patients, on demand?
Just looking for clarification.
Euthanizing the terminally ill.
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Insufferable = terminally ill, then; not unhappy, but healthy.
Fair enough.
Thanks
Yes. And Yes.
I really like this idea (no pain):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
"The Euthanasia Coaster would kill its passengers through prolonged cerebral hypoxia, or insufficient supply of oxygen to the brain.[1] The ride's seven inversions would inflict 10 g on its passengers for 60 seconds — causing g-force related symptoms starting with gray out through tunnel vision to black out and eventually g-LOC (g-force induced loss of consciousness).[3] Depending on the tolerance of an individual passenger to g-forces, the first or second inversion would cause cerebral anoxia, rendering the passengers brain dead.[citation needed] Subsequent inversions would serve as insurance against unintentional survival of particularly robust passengers.[3]"
In my belief system, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves for any reason.
Why do they have to be terminally ill?
Maybe they don't like life, maybe they just don't desire to be around any longer ... it's their life, they should be able to do with it as they please.
I would kill myself. I have no fear of death.
They shouldn't be allowed to because..... "The sun will come out tomorrow............"
Feelings of despair today, may be feelings of joy tomorrow.
Captenn think about this scenario.
You are in Syria, your best friend gets hit by a mortar shell up his ass.
He is cut in half, all disemboweled with intestines all burnt and exposed...pretty much has no chance in hell to survive.
You see his extreme pain and distress...he looks at you and begs you to shoot him..."kill meeeeeeee," he whimpers.
Instead you turn around and reply with
"Fight through it mate, you never know the sun will come out tomorrow."
Pat him on the head, walk away feeling powerful.
Yup, good logica Cap...you are now supporting torture.
The scenario you are painting is quite a bit different from what is being discussed here.
Thanks for playing along, though.
The painted scenario is very in tune with what is being discussed here...
"Assisted Suicide"
Anyone who has witnessed relatives suffering through terminal cancer would agree with assisted suicide law.
It is a HORRIFYING thing to see and HORRIBLE way to die.
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I've seen terminal cancer suffering, and I disagree with assisted suicide laws. So no, not "anyone" would agree.
Posted by KVZZMIR11
Yea...I guess
Being a Capricorn you know that sick people pay more than dead people.
Just saying though.
If you were a Cap, like me, you'd know that the exact opposite is true.
Dead people pay way better.
Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
if people started having the choice to off themselves for some of the expensive diseases of today.....I bet you we would start seeing some cures real quick.
Interesting angle.
You are probably correct.
Dude, we put our dogs down for these reason, yet we can't give people that individual choice?
Why? Thank makes no sense to me.
Posted by Astrobyn
Dude, we put our dogs down for these reason, yet we can't give people that individual choice?Why? Thank makes no sense to me.
If it was an individual choice, it wouldn't be "assisted".
Individual choice in suicide:
1. Insert gun into mouth.
2. Pull trigger.
All done.
Posted by KVZZMIR11
Yea...I guess
Being a Capricorn you know that sick people pay more than dead people.
Just saying though.
No, sick people COST more.
Something I've been talking about since page 4,
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/would-you-kill-yourself-5161264/?p=4
jeezlouise
😐
Posted by Astrobyn
Dude, we put our dogs down for these reason, yet we can't give people that individual choice?Why? Thank makes no sense to me.
If it was an individual choice, it wouldn't be "assisted".
Individual choice in suicide:
1. Insert gun into mouth.
2. Pull trigger.
All done.
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OMG how retarded is your argument? By this logic... then you can also hold the person who sold the gun and the bullets responsible for this persons death.
And not to mention this is about death with dignity, not I accidentally only shot out half of my brain and survived.
But you don't even address the point here. Why is ok to put down Fido? WHY?
Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
if people started having the choice to off themselves for some of the expensive diseases of today.....I bet you we would start seeing some cures real quick.
That was a very thought provoking post right there^^
It opens a whole new can of worms...
Posted by CapTenn
I've seen terminal cancer suffering, and I disagree with assisted suicide laws. So no, not "anyone" would agree.
I've seen this too..
Nobody here can honestly say they wouldn't want to end their lives until they walk in the shoes of physical suffering, unbearable suffering and decaying. Regardless..those who have their minds made up to kill themselves, will end their lives. We've seen this with perfectly physically healthy people. Depression cannot be compared to physical suffering. Yet look at all the sympathy we saw here when Robin Williams did himself in.
Death as Life is a choice.
AN INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.
...however when your number is up unexpectedly, choice doesn't come into play.😉
Posted by Astrobyn
Dude, we put our dogs down for these reason, yet we can't give people that individual choice?Why? Thank makes no sense to me.
If it was an individual choice, it wouldn't be "assisted".
Individual choice in suicide:
1. Insert gun into mouth.
2. Pull trigger.
All done.
OMG how retarded is your argument? By this logic... then you can also hold the person who sold the gun and the bullets responsible for this persons death.
And not to mention this is about death with dignity, not I accidentally only shot out half of my brain and survived.
But you don't even address the point here. Why is ok to put down Fido? WHY?
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Wrong. Unless, the person committing suicide tells the gun dealer, "Hey, I'm going to blow my brains out with this gun." In which case, no sale would be made to the suicidal person. Poor example.
As for part 2 -- Don't miss. If you want to die, there are many, many ways of making it happen without asking someone else to "help".
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.
Wrong. Unless, the person committing suicide tells the gun dealer, "Hey, I'm going to blow my brains out with this gun." In which case, no sale would be made to the suicidal person. Poor example.
As for part 2 -- Don't miss. If you want to die, there are many, many ways of making it happen without asking someone else to "help".
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.
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# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.
OMG side step much?
Why do we call it humane to do it to our pets? and not extend that same logic and courtesy to humans?
WHY? If you can't answer the question, if you don't have an answer... then just say so.
Posted by CapTenn
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.Wow, did someone just rated humans above dogs? Like we're some kind of special species? Are we really better than other animals just because our brain is more evolved? Isn't every life worth just as much as the next? And honestly I know a lot more humans I'd prefer to die than dogs, starting with you actually.
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You would prefer for me to die than a dog, because you disagreed with something I typed on this waste of time message board?
Seek counseling, weirdo.
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.
OMG side step much?
Why do we call it humane to do it to our pets? and not extend that same logic and courtesy to humans?
WHY? If you can't answer the question, if you don't have an answer... then just say so.
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Google it.
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.
OMG side step much?
Why do we call it humane to do it to our pets? and not extend that same logic and courtesy to humans?
WHY? If you can't answer the question, if you don't have an answer... then just say so.
Google it.
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No! If you can't answer a simple question to support your opinion on this issue, then I will continue to assume it has little value.
Posted by CapTenn
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.Wow, did someone just rated humans above dogs? Like we're some kind of special species? Are we really better than other animals just because our brain is more evolved? Isn't every life worth just as much as the next? And honestly I know a lot more humans I'd prefer to die than dogs, starting with you actually.
You would prefer for me to die than a dog, because you disagreed with something I typed on this waste of time message board?
Seek counseling, weirdo.
Yes I do. You know why? Because you think you're something special and you value your life over some otheranimal, you conceited selfish pig. I never heard a dog say I'd prefer for the human to die instead of me. No, thanks to their ignorance (and thus disregard to their own life) they're actually the ones saving lives.
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Interesting.
What exactly have you heard a dog say?
God told me to have dominion over the animals that he created for my benefit.
Glad we've finally found common ground.
Posted by CapTenn
God told me to have dominion over the animals that he created for my benefit.Glad we've finally found common ground.
That's crazy talk.
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Like equating pro-life with eating the ribs of a swine?
Posted by CapTenn
# 3 - Are you really comparing humans to dogs? This is not even worthy of a response. If you don't already know the difference, nothing I can type here will clarify things for you.Wow, did someone just rated humans above dogs? Like we're some kind of special species? Are we really better than other animals just because our brain is more evolved? Isn't every life worth just as much as the next? And honestly I know a lot more humans I'd prefer to die than dogs, starting with you actually.
You would prefer for me to die than a dog, because you disagreed with something I typed on this waste of time message board?
Seek counseling, weirdo.
Yes I do. You know why? Because you think you're something special and you value your life over some otheranimal, you conceited selfish pig. I never heard a dog say I'd prefer for the human to die instead of me.
No, thanks to their ignorance (and thus disregard to their own life) they're actually
the ones saving lives.
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^^ Sanctimonious drivel.
A dog and your child are both in imminent danger--
that would be quite the quandary for you, wouldn't it?
But it really shouldn't be.
Posted by CapTenn
God told me to have dominion over the animals that he created for my benefit.Glad we've finally found common ground.
That's crazy talk.
Like equating pro-life with eating the ribs of a swine?
If you believe in reincarnation that "swine" could have been a deceased family member from your past life.
Just saying...
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I don't.
Jesus you people have taken this whole pet reference completely out of context.
I don't even know what to say, besides your fucking retarded.
Posted by CapTenn
God told me to have dominion over the animals that he created for my benefit.Glad we've finally found common ground.
Yeah, god also specifically condemned Astrology. So by this logic you shouldn't even be here to have this conversation.
that's nice, but it undermines my point.
Posted by aquapiscescusp
Hang on. We are all going to die. Sooner or later. Is suffering involved in most cases? Probably.Should we sign up to kill ourselves SOONER to minimize suffering?
...
Someone's catching on.
+1
Let us be honest, you guys don't even know terminal cancer is.
You are clueless.
With terminal "brain" cancer dying naturally means INTENSE suffering everyday with pain becoming increasingly worst and daily episodes of crippling migraines/seizures until finally death.
It will anything but learning experience laying on grass by the baseball field on warm summer afternoon listening to the birds waiting to die.
You will be on your knees vomitting blood, pissing yourself without any energy left to ask for another glass of water.
Get a clue...
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SHUT UP ALREADY 😄 nobody cares what you are trying to prove, just saying
Posted by KVZZMIR11
I agree...Most people on this forum are fucking idiots.
If they could get their heads out of their cats' ass maybe they can see things clearer.
and you are the leaderrrrrr
LOL^
Posted by Astrobyn
Jesus you people have taken this whole pet reference completely out of context.I don't even know what to say, besides your fucking retarded.
It's just fun to play with someone like him. 😉
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lol it's hilarious if you two are the same people fighting eachother. talk about fighting with yourself. 😆
Posted by Astrobyn
Jesus you people have taken this whole pet reference completely out of context.I don't even know what to say, besides your fucking retarded.
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Congratulations, that's the best point you've made yet. Now fuck off, Cap.
Posted by aquapiscescusp
Hang on. We are all going to die. Sooner or later. Is suffering involved in most cases? Probably.Should we sign up to kill ourselves SOONER to minimize suffering?
...
Someone's catching on.
+1
Let us be honest, you guys don't even know terminal cancer is.
You are clueless.
With terminal "brain" cancer dying naturally means INTENSE suffering everyday with pain becoming increasingly worst and daily episodes of crippling migraines/seizures until finally death.
It will anything but learning experience laying on grass by the baseball field on warm summer afternoon listening to the birds waiting to die.
You will be on your knees vomitting blood, pissing yourself without any energy left to ask for another glass of water.
Get a clue...
How disappointing.
This is the third time now, in the same thread, that you've rattled on with this nonsense.
You obviously have no idea what I've said on euthanasia (or anything else, for that matter)
because apparently, you haven't bothered to read it.
Regarding euthanasia, I said this:
Posted by Montgomery
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If they ask for assistance, then I think it should be considered only in terminal cases.Regardless terminal cases should be able to enjoy all the morphine they want or
need until that or the disease takes them.
I don't think assisted suicide should be an option for healthy people.
So what was your your point, Monte?
Glad you asked, KVZZMIR11.
Posted by Montgomery
She is a poster-child for a political/social agenda....
The weak, ill and dying are a 'burden' on society, financially-- and you can't just kill them.But if they kill themselves, well...
This is about greed-- that of the insurance giants, and of course-- the government.
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Disagree?
Fine.
But now you know what my stance is.
Posted by starlover
Save your wisdom MontyThat guy admits to hating being sober
*Intoxicated ramblings*
Where is the wisdom in saying that a cancer patient is a poster child for social agenda?
It is idiotic....
I don't recall seeing that she held a big meeting with Barack Obama at the Wrigley Field and saying,
" Hey, I am opting for suicide so you could stage another terror attack...and I need attention, cool?"
Society is interested is interested in stories like these because they are touching, powerful, and people find them as a trigger for their lives as they reassess THEIR family lives.
Thought of losing a 29 y/o to "brain" cancer is sad tbh at least for a normal human being...
lol
No shit-- it's an excellent platform for pulling heartstrings (manipulation).
Thank you for spelling it out for everyone.
Idk what the fuck the rest of that is-- terror attacks aren't exactly 'social' issues.
:/
Posted by KVZZMIR11
@Montgomery.You are making the same "hospice" argument which has proven to do nothing with Euthanasia or Assisted Suicide.
Instead doctors pump patient full of morphine and leave them hanging until further notice.
It takes MONTHS before person dies under palliative services.
Plus it is proven to be counterproductive as even large dosages of opiates are not enough to fight the pain instead they create MORE agitation.
Lol.
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That euthanasia should be considered in terminal cases isn't a 'hospice argument.'
You disregarded that part, as well as my point.
Again.
1. Here in Belgium we don't have the same healthcare system as in the USA. Insurances don't matter all that much. Still we have a law for adults and for children... If anything for that matter they'd have you live longer, so they can charge more. The money's there. No problem. We have a system for that. Where's the fucking greed in that?
2. When they tried to pass the law for the children there was a lot of opposition from the Christian Democrats. They were in the government.So please explain to me why in a country where insurance doesn't matter all that much and half the government disagrees on something they pass a law out of greed by insurance companies and the government.
Please step out of you narrow little world and look at the rest of the world, see what they're doing and why. This has nothing to do with greed but with basic human rights and dignity.
This happened in the U.S., genius.
The only reason Belgium was mentioned was because of the law's abuse.
Further
I never said I was against assisted suicide for the terminally ill--
I said the opposite, and it's been reposted on this very page (since you missed it
the first ten times).
I used the excerpt from the article on the exploitation of Maynard to highlight
my point-- which, again, was the exploitation of Maynard.
NOT Belgium.
Posted by TokerX
"Seriously, people aren't being euthanised because they have a depression or have
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And you're basing this on.... ?
for the question. Yes, of course, i'm all for it. It's painful, but it's their free will.
I bet her parents were extremely sad, but they gave her the free will to choose what she wanted. that's true love and being selfless.
Posted by KVZZMIR11
Where is the wisdom in saying that a cancer patient is a poster child for social agenda?It is idiotic....
I don't recall seeing that she held a big meeting with Barack Obama at the Wrigley Field and saying,
" Hey, I am opting for suicide so you could stage another terror attack...and I need attention, cool?"
Society is interested is interested in stories like these because they are touching, powerful, and people find them as a trigger for their lives as they reassess THEIR family lives.
Thought of losing a 29 y/o to "brain" cancer is sad tbh at least for a normal human being...
lol
No shit-- it's an excellent platform for pulling heartstrings (manipulation).
Thank you for spelling it out for everyone.
Idk what the fuck the rest of that is-- terror attacks aren't exactly 'social' issues.
:/
Posted by KVZZMIR11
@Montgomery.You are making the same "hospice" argument which has proven to do nothing with Euthanasia or Assisted Suicide.
Instead doctors pump patient full of morphine and leave them hanging until further notice.
It takes MONTHS before person dies under palliative services.
Plus it is proven to be counterproductive as even large dosages of opiates are not enough to fight the pain instead they create MORE agitation.
Lol.
That euthanasia should be considered in terminal cases isn't a 'hospice argument.'
You disregarded that part, as well as my point.
Again.
You said "terminal cases should enjoy all the morphine they want."
Was that not you typing, was it your cat?
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I also said euthanasia should be considered for terminal cases.
Are you incapable of addressing my entire statement?
The whole thought?
Or are you going to rely on cherry picking-- which btw is for sissies
and apparently... men with an Aries Moon.
Heartbreaking 😢
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But what you're calling Reality (what does or does not transpire after death)
cannot be proven... there is no way to know, definitively.
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