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Posted by TokerX
.... why are people sad when someone dies? Because THEY will miss that person. Why do they want to extend that person's suffering? So that THEY can extend the time THEY have with that person and THEY don't have to miss that person yet.
Sadly, I believe that that ^^ is the basis of most people's argument on this topic.
It is all about the self, and not about the person suffering.
Posted by P-Angel
Do you think people should be allowed to kill themselves?
1. Would they make use of their right to DEATH even if some people who love them care to say they need more together time?
2. What about those who get compelled to do this? Or manipulated? Or lied to?
3. What about victim characters (12th house losers) who kill themselves to save family's money? With the outcome that family is angry at them?
4. Insurance issues?
Posted by P-AngelPosted by TokerX
.... why are people sad when someone dies? Because THEY will miss that person. Why do they want to extend that person's suffering? So that THEY can extend the time THEY have with that person and THEY don't have to miss that person yet.
Sadly, I believe that that ^^ is the basis of most people's argument on this topic.
It is all about the self, and not about the person suffering.click to expand
+1
Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by P-Angel
Do you think people should be allowed to kill themselves?
1. Would they make use of their right to DEATH even if some people who love them care to say they need more together time?
2. What about those who get compelled to do this? Or manipulated? Or lied to?
3. What about victim characters (12th house losers) who kill themselves to save family's money? With the outcome that family is angry at them?
4. Insurance issues?click to expand
There will always be a small percentage of people who use and abuse a system. And there will always be cases that deviate from the norm, a small amount of people are killed because of seatbelts, but does that make seatbelts bad? No!
Posted by tiziani
I think there are a fair amount of paraplegics and quadraplegics that would tell you about the evils of seatbelts. Especially those who came out worse off in the same crash as a fellow passenger who wasn't wearing one and walked away scot free.
Trust me I had to sit through these talks with the Paralympics team in 2012, they had valid points.
Yes but 99.9% of the time, they would have been better off.
Say the odds were even 1 in 1000, would you take those odds?
*grumbles* goddamnpeopleunderminingallmypointsidon'tevenknowwhyipostdamnuniverseisagainstmefuckyousaturn!
Posted by tizianiPosted by AstrobynPosted by tiziani
I think there are a fair amount of paraplegics and quadraplegics that would tell you about the evils of seatbelts. Especially those who came out worse off in the same crash as a fellow passenger who wasn't wearing one and walked away scot free.
Trust me I had to sit through these talks with the Paralympics team in 2012, they had valid points.
Yes but 99.9% of the time, they would have been better off.
Say the odds were even 1 in 1000, would you take those odds?
*grumbles* goddamnpeopleunderminingallmypointsidon'tevenknowwhyipostdamnuniverseisagainstmefuckyousaturn!
The odds are not anywhere near as long as 1 in 1000 though. Seatbelts are evil.click to expand
If a doctor can hand out pain killer prescriptions to addicts like candy which has killed millions, what's the difference if he/she euthanizes someone truly suffering?
Is quicker bad and real suffering good?
Is quicker bad and real suffering good?
Posted by airyvirgo
No, I get frightened and frustrated with this disease I have, but I choose to run the course till the end.I have watched several documentaries on dying with dignity and I sympathize with the people who make that choice. I think I would suffer more during the time it takes for the drug to kill me than I would in a lifetime with my illness.
What disease?
The user who posted this message has hidden it.
Why did you hide?
I loved what you said!
Guts... and a good attitude-- you have them both. 🙂
Posted by airyvirgo
@aquapiscescusp I have multiple sclerosis. It has been very debilitating for me as mine is aggressive.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Life sucks...
You seem to gave a great attitude though. 🙂
Posted by Koniucha
I work for an airline. I feel like killing myself often.
because of your work?
if not, why?
Posted by airyvirgo
Lol, I was hiding an error and I thought I sounded a little cheesy, but I unhid it. Thanks 🙂 just trying to stay positive. I watched my mother die from pancreatic cancer and she stayed positive till the end and I know she was in a lot of pain.I try to take strength from her and apply it to my situation.
We just buried a friend who died of pancreatic cancer recently. (pretty young too)
That's all you can do, be strong and enjoy being in the moment as much as you can🙂
Posted by aquapiscescusp
.... be strong and enjoy being in the moment as much as you can
How absurd.
A person suffering (which is what this thread is about) doesn't enjoy the moments.
It's not about dying .... it's not that you die.
It's HOW your quality of life is while dying.
People say stupid shit like .... you gotta die sometime, everyone dies
Those same people sing a different tune when it's them grasping for air and begging someone to help them.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by aquapiscescusp
.... be strong and enjoy being in the moment as much as you can
How absurd.
A person suffering (which is what this thread is about) doesn't enjoy the moments.
It's not about dying .... it's not that you die.
It's HOW your quality of life is while dying.
People say stupid shit like .... you gotta die sometime, everyone dies
Those same people sing a different tune when it's them grasping for air and begging someone to help them.click to expand
I have read many posts about this topic, I don't understand why people wouldn't want to let a person suffering go without suffering anymore, when their quality of life is none. Like animals we euthanize them, we put them out of their misery. I just had to watch my parents dog dying from an extremely aggressive cancer that took his life in a week and half. They had to put him to sleep, he was suffering so much, to see an animal truly cry. It was so disturbing, how is seeing a human suffering any different?
If they have zero quality of life left, please, honor their wishes. People say they would fight and fight but there is no difference in hospice, they are just focusing on taking the pain away. Which isn't always the case either. It's up to that person, no one else. I pray I have never to be in that situation or have to watch someone else suffer like that.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by aquapiscescusp
.... be strong and enjoy being in the moment as much as you can
How absurd.
A person suffering (which is what this thread is about) doesn't enjoy the moments.
It's not about dying .... it's not that you die.
It's HOW your quality of life is while dying.
People say stupid shit like .... you gotta die sometime, everyone dies
Those same people sing a different tune when it's them grasping for air and begging someone to help them.click to expand
Uhm I wasn't talking to you fool...Go shit on someone else 😄
If you took your head out of your ass the person I was responding to wants to live even with a horrible disease.
Ciao
But I do love how you carefully took that out of context to TRY to make yourself look somewhat superior lol
Posted by beautifulsoul74
Posted by Montgomery
Interesting... I said that euthanasia should be considered only in terminal cases
(unremitting pain being a factor).
What part of that do you have a problem with?
My point was, and has consistently been, the gross exploitation of this
young woman.
I think it's terribly naive of you to think exploitation is impossible, here,
just because you agree with her stance-- that is, assisted suicide on demand.
Also
Please show this made up "fact" or "facts" that I have supposedly posted.
Your comments are so general that I have no way of knowing what, exactly,
what you're talking about.
@Montgomery: I don't need to go back and read it Love.
Didn't expect you to-- you don't have a leg to stand on.
Otherwise, you would have quoted me (I took the liberty of including it).
Posted by beautifulsoul74
Your comments on George Soros etc reveal what your true motive is... to discredit the argument(or any discussion on the thread topic) because of some conspiracy theory that she was somehow coerced into taking her own life because of an agenda.
If the topic where specifically about coercion in these situations, then you'd have a point. But what the topic is about is one taking their lives...specifically for terminal illness, and the morality that surrounds it.click to expand
Which I've posted on, at length (e.g. slippery slope).
But you want to pretend I'm "off topic" so you don't have to address your own nonsense.
Shocking. 😐
Posted by xy
"Hospice
Most programs concentrate on comfort rather than aggressive disease abatement. By electing to forego extensive life-prolonging treatment, hospice patients can concentrate on getting the most out of the time they have left, without some of the negative side-effects that life prolonging treatments can have. Most hospice patients can achieve a level of comfort that allows them to concentrate on the emotional and practical issues of dying."
I'd love to be in this type of work, someday.
Glad you posted this.
I think a lot of people just don't know what it is.
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