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I agree. The Scorpio has nothing to do with this storey. The Pisces is just another teacher of Lotus.
Also, both "he came clean" (under pressure from Lotus) and "she told his gf" are not mutually exclusive. He probably didn't come clean enough, so Lotus had to finish what he started, by talking herself to the other woman. Her reaction (especially the fact that she left him after talking to Lotus), strongly suggests she did not know.
Also, both "he came clean" (under pressure from Lotus) and "she told his gf" are not mutually exclusive. He probably didn't come clean enough, so Lotus had to finish what he started, by talking herself to the other woman. Her reaction (especially the fact that she left him after talking to Lotus), strongly suggests she did not know.
Why are you so eager to defend her and rationalize her mistakes when there is proof? In no language does 'he told her' mean 'I told her'. Also, ONCE AGAIN, if you just look at my post, please just look at it, she literally says that the gf knew about them. Im sorry, but you're wrong. She lied. If you really want me to, I'll even repost my screenshots so that they're right in front of you to read.
Also, I thought the Pisces was her boss, not teacher? I'll double check on that
Also, I thought the Pisces was her boss, not teacher? I'll double check on that
I checked briefly. One mention of him being a coworker. Didn't see anything about teacher or boss but I didn't check thoroughly. I will if it becomes nevessary
Her PMs to me were about her academic life. She couldn't have lied to me about it, because academia is what I know best. She is a student. She used Boss, the correct term here is academic supervisor, practically a teacher. She probably used the terms most of the dxpnet are familiar with, to keep things simple.
Lotus could not have known for sure what the gf knew before she spoke to her. Lotus could have assumed she knew, but the later facts proved otherwise. Why is that relevant anyway? Obviously, Lotus could have told her earlier. She was probably afraid of her "boss" to do so, that is why she waited until she graduated.
Lotus could not have known for sure what the gf knew before she spoke to her. Lotus could have assumed she knew, but the later facts proved otherwise. Why is that relevant anyway? Obviously, Lotus could have told her earlier. She was probably afraid of her "boss" to do so, that is why she waited until she graduated.
So because you know she went to school she's telling the truth? Her academic life has nothing to do with her lying about her romantic life, correct? You have no way to know if she's lying or not about that part of it. You can only 'trust'.
....except that she said the girlfriend knew. And that the gf was even upset that the two of them were hanging out in a separate post...which also make things not add up. Once again, you can read my screenshot post about that. And it's relevant because it doesn't match up with what she is saying now...meaning she lied.
And the most obvious lie is the one that occurs in this thread and her other recent thread.
Honestly, why would you back this person up? If you choose to believe her, this guy has lied to her hardcore, often has shown little interest in her, has cheated on his gf, etc and lotus still chose to stay with him. This girl has no sense of self worth. Not only that but on multiple occasions does she say she has called him stupid, idiot, jerk, etc for trivial issues.
And you are still unable to provide me with any facts that she isn't lying....yet I've given you proof that she is... So logically, what is the answer here? Is she lying or not? Evidence claims..yes.
....except that she said the girlfriend knew. And that the gf was even upset that the two of them were hanging out in a separate post...which also make things not add up. Once again, you can read my screenshot post about that. And it's relevant because it doesn't match up with what she is saying now...meaning she lied.
And the most obvious lie is the one that occurs in this thread and her other recent thread.
Honestly, why would you back this person up? If you choose to believe her, this guy has lied to her hardcore, often has shown little interest in her, has cheated on his gf, etc and lotus still chose to stay with him. This girl has no sense of self worth. Not only that but on multiple occasions does she say she has called him stupid, idiot, jerk, etc for trivial issues.
And you are still unable to provide me with any facts that she isn't lying....yet I've given you proof that she is... So logically, what is the answer here? Is she lying or not? Evidence claims..yes.
Has lotus recently graduated? She's 30 years old and to my knowledge has made no mention of this on the boards. Has she told you this in pm? I'm just asking to ask, really. I can't quite remember but I am not even sure if she was in school back when the scorp was in the picture. She mentioned that though so I'll look later
Well, a person is always innocent until proven otherwise. You haven't proved that she was lying. They all knew each other professionally. The fact that the ex was jealous of Lotus does not prove she knew that his on-of bf was screwing her. These are assumptions, not facts.
It is also naive to assume that the "love life" and the "academic life" do not affected each other. There is a conflict of interest between those two and it could screw up Lotuses future. The Pisces probably told Lotus that he could lose his job and his reputation, as a mean to keep their relationship a secret. In fact, the opposite is true. He could lose all these, because he didn't follow the Uni procedure which says he should have declared their personal relationship to his superiors, so that Lotus could get a different supervisor.
That's nothing unusual to get a doctorate in your thirties. Till then, you are nothing else but a student living on a stipend.
I "back up" Lotus in the same way I would back any other person who is under attack for reasons that have to do with feelings and assumptions, rather than facts.
It is also naive to assume that the "love life" and the "academic life" do not affected each other. There is a conflict of interest between those two and it could screw up Lotuses future. The Pisces probably told Lotus that he could lose his job and his reputation, as a mean to keep their relationship a secret. In fact, the opposite is true. He could lose all these, because he didn't follow the Uni procedure which says he should have declared their personal relationship to his superiors, so that Lotus could get a different supervisor.
That's nothing unusual to get a doctorate in your thirties. Till then, you are nothing else but a student living on a stipend.
I "back up" Lotus in the same way I would back any other person who is under attack for reasons that have to do with feelings and assumptions, rather than facts.
Who knows how many men she is the piece on the side to ..... and who knows how many women he has on the side.
She must be riddled with genital warts.
The sad part here Undine, is that you've been shown how much of an idiot you are by not being able to put the pieces together, eventhough these pieces have been clearly laid out in front of you.
You keep arguing a point that is irrelevant, while refusing to acknowledging what is relevant.
:::: shakes head ::::
Yes because evidence of lying is not proof. You will only see what you want to see and even if I show you the inconsistencies you refuse to see them. I'm not sure how illogical you plan to be just to preserve some girl's innocence. She could have very well came and argued any of these points but she hasn't even herself. Instead she has been posting on the Gemini forum, most likely asking whether or not the gf will take back the bf after he's cheated. I'm willing to go over all of my evidence again and again, but it doesn't matter. As long as everyone else can think logically on the topic then they can see she's a troll. I'm sorry that you're unable to understand my simple logic but I know when I'm talking to a brick wall and this is definitely one of those times
Btw, if you guys didn't know, apparently
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
Are the same thing, or can exist together, according to undine. Yes - he can come clean about their relationship and then magically time reverses and then she tells the gf everything first, just for kicks, Oh man, time is pretty funny isn't it? I didn't know it could do such cool things.
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
Are the same thing, or can exist together, according to undine. Yes - he can come clean about their relationship and then magically time reverses and then she tells the gf everything first, just for kicks, Oh man, time is pretty funny isn't it? I didn't know it could do such cool things.
Posted by Scenic
Btw, if you guys didn't know, apparently
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
Are the same thing, or can exist together, according to undine. Yes - he can come clean about their relationship and then magically time reverses and then she tells the gf everything first, just for kicks, Oh man, time is pretty funny isn't it? I didn't know it could do such cool things.
First? There is no mention of "first". The order they talked to the ex is purely speculative and irrelevant. They both talked to the ex, that is what Lotus says in this thread. The Pisces probably told her some lies to escape easily. He was the cheater, after all. Then Lotus told her everything.
Is this why Lotus is being bullied on her own thread? Because someone couldn't work out a sequence of events? Why didn't you ask Lotus for clarification BEFORE starting bullying her?
Posted by P-Angel
The sad part here Undine, is that you've been shown how much of an idiot you are by not being able to put the pieces together, eventhough these pieces have been clearly laid out in front of you.
You keep arguing a point that is irrelevant, while refusing to acknowledging what is relevant.
:::: shakes head ::::
The sad part here P-Angel, is that you've been shown how much of an idiot you are by not being able to put the pieces together, eventhough these pieces have been clearly laid out in front of you.
Below is the sequence of the events in her story, from the threads she wrote.
1. Lotus becomes infatuated with her teacher.
2. The opportunity arises when he becomes single. They enter a sexual relationship.
3. The relationship is kept secret, most likely because he tells her the secrecy is in the interest of their teacher-student relationship.
4. Two months into the relationship, an ex comes back into his life, unaware of his relationship with Lotus.
5. The relationship continues as a triangle for several months, until Lotus graduates.
6. Lotus asks her now ex-teacher to make their relationship known to the other women in the triangle.
7. The two women involved talk to each other in a civilised manner.
8. The triangle breaks down.
You keep arguing a point that is irrelevant, while refusing to acknowledging what is relevant.
:::: shakes head ::::
Undine
There is a separate thread in the Moon forum
I'm sure Scenic has told you this, but if you missed it--
Pisces moon angry... .
The stories *are* a bit conflicting.
There is a separate thread in the Moon forum
I'm sure Scenic has told you this, but if you missed it--
Pisces moon angry... .
The stories *are* a bit conflicting.
Wow, you keep addressing something different ...
I first, I just thought you were being stubborn ... I realize until this moment that everything that's being said is literally flying right over your head.
You're not pretending ... wow
*didn't
I didn't realize until this moment that everything that's being said is literally flying right over your head.
OMG, so if you are incapable of rationalizing, and men are making you fuck them AND you seriously, literally don't know any better ... then perhaps, I'm talking the wrong approach with you.
Where is your guardian?
Do they know that men are making you give them blow jobs without your consent ... you should go tell them this instant.
It's not about leaving him, she already did.
It's about a guest on the Pisces forum being bullied.
It's about a guest on the Pisces forum being bullied.
OMG, Undine is just making shit up now. Don't back a Pisces into a corner! They will invent anything to try and come out looking clean. Even confusing the story more.. or trying to make it seem like she is the one confused.
Lotus pursued her BOSS at work knowing he had a gf
The Pisces is NOT her teacher. (The teacher was a Scorpio and a completely separate situation.)
Lotus wanted to be the main girl and not the side piece... so she thought she would manipulate the situation.
When the Pisces wouldn't tell his gf the truth, Lotus took matters into her own hands and went to the Pisces gf.. a Gemini
Now she is on the Gemini board hoping her plan has worked. That the Gemini will dump him and the Pisces will be hers
I have a bestie who is a double Pisces... LOL!
Lotus pursued her BOSS at work knowing he had a gf
The Pisces is NOT her teacher. (The teacher was a Scorpio and a completely separate situation.)
Lotus wanted to be the main girl and not the side piece... so she thought she would manipulate the situation.
When the Pisces wouldn't tell his gf the truth, Lotus took matters into her own hands and went to the Pisces gf.. a Gemini
Now she is on the Gemini board hoping her plan has worked. That the Gemini will dump him and the Pisces will be hers
I have a bestie who is a double Pisces... LOL!
You are wrong. You cannot, for whatever reason, remove yourself emotionally from this situation. At all.
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
You think both of these happened? No, she talks about them as meaning they were both singular events for the first time. Who comes clean twice to someone, not to mention with the second time being from someone who's more outside of the situation? No one. You base all this on that fact that he lied to her. Where has she said that? She hasn't even come said that herself. Not only that, if he lied about telling her....then how could the gf have known and sent her an email plus asked her out to lunch? The man was not lying. So why are there inconsistencies? You still haven't given me a good reason. He didn't lie to her and everyone knows they didn't BOTH happen unless you have damaged mental processing.
But I'm wrong because I'm a 'bully' and talking from emotions....which is really grand since the latter part is totally what you're doing. Maybe you're projecting? And I would not have called her out like this if there weren't any inconsistencies. I'm not the only one who thinks so, go back a page
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
You think both of these happened? No, she talks about them as meaning they were both singular events for the first time. Who comes clean twice to someone, not to mention with the second time being from someone who's more outside of the situation? No one. You base all this on that fact that he lied to her. Where has she said that? She hasn't even come said that herself. Not only that, if he lied about telling her....then how could the gf have known and sent her an email plus asked her out to lunch? The man was not lying. So why are there inconsistencies? You still haven't given me a good reason. He didn't lie to her and everyone knows they didn't BOTH happen unless you have damaged mental processing.
But I'm wrong because I'm a 'bully' and talking from emotions....which is really grand since the latter part is totally what you're doing. Maybe you're projecting? And I would not have called her out like this if there weren't any inconsistencies. I'm not the only one who thinks so, go back a page
Yeah seriously she jumped on that Gemini board fast. She's not done with him....especially not when she's basically asking if the gf will come back into his life. So what happens of she goes back to this guy? Is he still a liar and the bad guy? Or maybe....that's just how she gets you to view it. I can't wait to see this play out
Posted by shellshocker
OMG, Undine is just making shit up now. Don't back a Pisces into a corner! They will invent anything to try and come out looking clean. Even confusing the story more.. or trying to make it seem like she is the one confused.
Lotus pursued her BOSS at work knowing he had a gf
The Pisces is NOT her teacher. (The teacher was a Scorpio and a completely separate situation.)
Lotus wanted to be the main girl and not the side piece... so she thought she would manipulate the situation.
When the Pisces wouldn't tell his gf the truth, Lotus took matters into her own hands and went to the Pisces gf.. a Gemini
Now she is on the Gemini board hoping her plan has worked. That the Gemini will dump him and the Pisces will be hers
I have a bestie who is a double Pisces... LOL!
I'm not in a corner, Shocky. Just happen to know the story better than you, because of an extensive PM exchange. Don't bother to rewrite it for me!
Posted by UndinePosted by shellshocker
OMG, Undine is just making shit up now. Don't back a Pisces into a corner! They will invent anything to try and come out looking clean. Even confusing the story more.. or trying to make it seem like she is the one confused.
Lotus pursued her BOSS at work knowing he had a gf
The Pisces is NOT her teacher. (The teacher was a Scorpio and a completely separate situation.)
Lotus wanted to be the main girl and not the side piece... so she thought she would manipulate the situation.
When the Pisces wouldn't tell his gf the truth, Lotus took matters into her own hands and went to the Pisces gf.. a Gemini
Now she is on the Gemini board hoping her plan has worked. That the Gemini will dump him and the Pisces will be hers
I have a bestie who is a double Pisces... LOL!
I'm not in a corner, Shocky. Just happen to know the story better than you, because of an extensive PM exchange. Don't bother to rewrite it for me!click to expand
you're full of shit
I also remember you posting in one of her threads...
"You still couldn't get him to love you. No more about him, please..."
Were you giving her *tips* during those extensive PM exchanges?
Sorry, don't want to "misquote you"...
Posted by Undine
He didn't fall in love with you, even after such a long time. He would have treated you like his queen if he did.
Yeah, no more threads about him, please. Goodbye, my "astro twin".
Can you post screenshots of a few of these messages with everything blocked out but her screen name and the date of the message?
version is true, Lotus is lying... and saying that this Prof is her Boss... who she pursued
Posted by lotus
Well, this is the first time I've actually given up on him and am not pursuing (I was the pursuer until recently). So it seems that the tables have shifted and he doesn't know what to do.
Plus, I am dating other men.
Posted by lotusPosted by WaterCup
Bizzare indeed. What exactly was the reason behind the "come clean"?
Were they not together when you two started your affair?
Your situation is a bit confusing.
Yes, they were not together but got back together after a few months of us starting things. It's a bizzare situation because he was my boss until recently, so things needed to be kept secret. Since he is no longer my boss and she had suspected a few months ago
Posted by lotusPosted by starlover
Why are you bedding a man that already has a lover ~ dont you have any self respect?
They've been on/off for a few years. When I got involved with him, he was not with her (I know because I work with her and she told me). The he went back to her and I left him a couple of months later.click to expand
Is the gf/Gemini a student as well? who Lotus "works" with?
And why are you revealing all of the lies Lotus told, if she told you in confidence? Is this how you??re getting out of your corner? Brilliant!
day....
Lotus sure likes to pursue her teachers... this one is about the Scorpio Prof, from 2008.
Posted by lotus
Yes, I love the prof......this is why I keep insisting on this thing getting off the ground (ooops, Freudian slip🙂)
Posted by lotus
And yes, I agree that men with power are intoxicating. And this guy is tops in his field and veery well known.....and never married.click to expand
So who is the manipulator in these situations? Poor little Lotus needs protection from bullies... while she herself is a predator
oh, the irony
Posted by Scenic
You are wrong. You cannot, for whatever reason, remove yourself emotionally from this situation. At all.
"I asked my on/off Pisces lover to come clean to his on/off girlfriend about our affair of ten months. After lots of probing, he did"
And
"I asked him to come clean to his on/off gf about us and he kept putting it off. I had enough and told her everything. "
You think both of these happened? No, she talks about them as meaning they were both singular events for the first time. Who comes clean twice to someone, not to mention with the second time being from someone who's more outside of the situation? No one. You base all this on that fact that he lied to her. Where has she said that? She hasn't even come said that herself. Not only that, if he lied about telling her....then how could the gf have known and sent her an email plus asked her out to lunch? The man was not lying. So why are there inconsistencies? You still haven't given me a good reason. He didn't lie to her and everyone knows they didn't BOTH happen unless you have damaged mental processing.
Ok. If you think that too much self-generated negative emotion is clouding your judgment, here is a similar situation, which may (or may not) help you understand where you??ve gone wrong:
Joe: I jumped the fence!
Bully: You??re lying.
Joe. I'm not. What made you say that?
Bully: Yesterday, you said that Paul is going to jump the fence, followed by yourself.
Joe: So why do you say I am lying now?
Bully: Because you now imply you jumped the fence FIRST!
Joe: I did not say I was first.
Bully: You should have said Paul jumped it first!
Joe: I wasn't there to see him. He may or may not have jumped.
Bully: I'm sure he did.
Joe: He could have climbed the fence without jumping it.
Bully: And you want me to believe that?!
Joe: No, I just came here to share my own experience. Why do you say I'm a liar?
Bully: You are a liar, because I say so.
Posted by shellshocker
Sorry, don't want to "misquote you"...
Posted by Undine
He didn't fall in love with you, even after such a long time. He would have treated you like his queen if he did.
Yeah, no more threads about him, please. Goodbye, my "astro twin".
click to expand
This is actually a very good example of how to let someone know that they are wasting their time, WITHOUT BULLYING them!
Posted by Nemesis
pisces think tank?! whowouldhaveknown LOL.
Tthat's what the —stupidity thread?? is for!
So you're still saying that he can come clean to his gf then later she can come clean to the gf and it will end with the gf reacting like it's the first time she's been told. You're STILL wrong. Even other people have mentioned they don't add up.
Also, I asked for screenshots of messages with her name and the date
Also, I asked for screenshots of messages with her name and the date
And why am I always a bully for telling people they're wrong and calling them out on their lies? Jeez, before this thread you liked me even though you've seen me do this before yet now that it's with someone you know it's suddenly a big deal and me being a 'bully'. Flaky much?
Maybe to help you understand that no one agrees with you, why don't we look at who others have agreed with? Since the details of her lying came out how many people agree she's lying? Besides me, 4. How many have agreed that she's not? Besides you, zero. So as of now, your view is only a deluded belief in your mind. It's not reality. No one else sees it that way. They also think she's lying. Yet I'm still, even with evidence and others who agree, the one who is weong
Posted by Scenic
And why am I always a bully for telling people they're wrong and calling them out on their lies? Jeez, before this thread you liked me even though you've seen me do this before yet now that it's with someone you know it's suddenly a big deal and me being a 'bully'. Flaky much?
I wouldn't have bother trying to explain you these, if I didn't like you.
*have bothered*
I remembered what you were talking about.........Double Pisces= double mischief 🙂.
I still do like you, Scenic.
After all, you are the only person I know (well...know a bit) with whom I have a Sun-Moon double whammy.
I still do like you, Scenic.
After all, you are the only person I know (well...know a bit) with whom I have a Sun-Moon double whammy.
Posted by tizianiPosted by caliber
Ahh I gotcha now. lol
Others just seemed to like being part of The Prestige while it lasted.click to expand
MUahahaha!
I've fallen victim to the Pisces indecisive charm before. He got me with making me feel incredibly special and a "saviour" figure. I'm so glad I wised up. But i've seen The Prestige effect. Never saw someone wield so much power being "weak" and "passive."
Well, you sure don't like p-angel yet you tried to explain things to her, too, so I'm inclined to disagree with you, there.
I'll ignore the fact that some of my questions weren't answered because this topic has had it's fill but as long as lotus keeps posting topics that have holes in them and that are also common sense questions, we will continue to be at ends with each other. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
I'll ignore the fact that some of my questions weren't answered because this topic has had it's fill but as long as lotus keeps posting topics that have holes in them and that are also common sense questions, we will continue to be at ends with each other. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
When first we practise to deceive!
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