Posted by SkyeA Muslim Feminist ?Posted by MoonbutterFalse info. There are tons of her work/videos online.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
Linda Sarsour Gets Real On Being A Muslim Feminist
http://www.refinery29.com/linda-sarsour-muslim-feminist
She's a racial justice and civil rights activist.
Linda Sarsour is the Executive Director of the Arab American Association of New York
and co-founder of the first Muslim online organizing platform, MPOWER Change.
She has received numerous awards and honors including “Champion of Change”
by the White House, YWCA USA’s Women of Distinction Award for Advocacy
and Civic Engagement...
http://www.arabamericanny.org/lindasarsour/
The women behind the Women's March on Washington
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2017/01/18/the-women-behind-the-womens-march-on-washington.cnnmoney/
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Posted by SeraphlightI don't have anything against them as an individual it's the community that I have issue with. I guess it was just upsetting I dated a Muslim and he was great and then his older brother got in his head and he changed...?
Moon butter most muslims are lovely normal people. Chill.
Posted by MoonbutterAnyone who claims to know a culture or a religion that they haven't lived in, and try to validate their generalizations because they claim to know a few people - aren't worth trusting. NO WHERE in your OP did you try to appear balanced or as though your words don't apply to everyone. You are as close minded as the people you claim to know.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
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Posted by MoonbutterAnd my comparison is as dumb as yours. It is how many of us feel about your posts in this thread.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
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Posted by MoonbutterNow the truth comes out. This is not unlike the threads a poster creates bashing a particular sign because their ego and their heart was broken. If you've ever read a negative post about a sign generalizing about everyone who has that sign and though how misplaced and nonsensical their hatred is - that's a very good refecltion on your thread right now.Posted by SeraphlightI don't have anything against them as an individual it's the community that I have issue with. I guess it was just upsetting I dated a Muslim and he was great and then his older brother got in his head and he changed...?
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by DickButtPosted by MoonbutterAs a muslim you don't have to look a certain way, in fact christian women are also suggested to wear a head veil.Posted by DickButtBecause Muslims have to look a certain way or behave a certain way to be Muslim. Christian's don't... unless you are God you won't know who is an actual Christian. If you don't get this it's because you don't understand Christianity and I implore you all to research what makes someone a Christian.Posted by MoonbutterAnd being muslim is about living and let living. Having the consciousness of Allah in your heart and mind, and living with the most gratuitous manners and code of conduct. And then there are some who infuse faith with hate. So what's the difference between a christian with hate and a muslim with hate? Nothing.Posted by DickButtThe difference is being a Christian is about asking Jesus into your heart. Now unfortunately there are probably more Christian's in the head then the heart. "The path to the kingdom is narrow"Posted by MoonbutterOh so when a white christian male who sympathizes with the al right and loves what donald trump is doing kills a bunch of muslims it's "who says he was TRULY christian" But when a couple goes on a shooting spree and they happen to be muslim ALL muslims are like this. Thank you for the double standard.Posted by cheekyfaerieWho says they were truly Christian? And how would you know whether they were or not?Posted by MoonbutterTell that to the mosques and Jewish temples being burned down and bomb threats called on. Or the mosque in Quebec that just lost members to a gunman.Posted by GetMistedChristianity doesn't follow barbaric rituals anymorePosted by HarleyTwinFlameHow is that different from Christianity?
Diva are you for Sharia Law?
Seems like you're defending it.
It's nothing against muslims, it's the outdated sexist teachings that need to go away forever. It doesn't help when someone publicly trys to spread it here.
If people think white Christians can't/don't radicalize, I don't know how to have a conversation with them.
1 Corinthians 11:3-16But I want you to understand that dthe head of every man is Christ, ethe head of a wife1 is her husband,* and fthe head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5 but every wife2 who prays or gprophesies hwith her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same ias if her head were shaven. 6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since jhe is the image and glory of God, but kwoman is the glory of man. 8 For lman was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for woman, but mwoman for man. 10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.3 11 Nevertheless, nin the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And oall things are from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 pIf anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do qthe churches of God.You have one encounter with a muslim man and you feel like you have us figured out. We come in all shapes and sizes. Not all of us have beards, not all of us have our heads and bodies covered. You couldn't pull a muslim out of a christian line i can guarantee you that.
I'm pretty sure you're an american born white boy. So you don't count. Youve effectively been "corrupted" as far as the extremists are concerned, and they would kill you for your attitude.
You still have never explicitly answered: Do you support Sharia Law?
Don't beat around the bush or avoid answering this question. Doing so just makes it painfully obvious that you do and that what you're really trying to do is convince us that Sharia Law is "good mkay".
It isn't. It is absolutely horrible and wrong and will never thrive in the west and won't thrive in the east forever either.
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by HarleyTwinFlame
I'm not against Muslims, but I'm sure theres people who are privileged enough to live outside of the middle east and be a more modern relaxed Muslim, that see how outdated the religion is and how women are reduced to almost nothing..
Why can't they move forward!!! They didn't all used to be this way
Wrong. It is more like how the vast majority of Christians think Homosexuality is still a sin but try to say they love gay people.
Moderate Muslims still support the idea of Sharia Law. They just won't actively go out of their way to make it a thing in the same way those Christians won't actively ban the gays.
It is all just blanket PC bullshit to cover for the fact that they support evil bullshit.
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Posted by LillyPetalYou assume I haven't lived in that Culture/ environment but you are wrong... I lived with my Muslim boyfriend, wore the hijab a few times and attended Mosque. Plus, we would have long discussions on Islam and then years later he did exactly the opposite what he preached to me prior. So maybe I saw the ugliness but I've also seen the beauty.Posted by MoonbutterAnyone who claims to know a culture or a religion that they haven't lived in, and try to validate their generalizations because they claim to know a few people - aren't worth trusting. NO WHERE in your OP did you try to appear balanced or as though your words don't apply to everyone. You are as close minded as the people you claim to know.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
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Posted by MoonbutterWhere I disagree with you in that you purposefully CHOSE to generalize and shed an ugly light on a major part of the world population due to your experience with your boyfriend. Had you had some balance in your OP and prefaced it with some thoughtful thinking, your opinion would perhaps be more valid. But the fact that you KNOW that there is beauty (as there is in almost all cultures and religions) but you deliberately kept it to yourself in an attempt to warp people's perception...you are not as open-minded as you think.Posted by LillyPetalYou assume I haven't lived in that Culture/ environment but you are wrong... I lived with my Muslim boyfriend, wore the hijab a few times and attended Mosque. Plus, we would have long discussions on Islam and then years later he did exactly the opposite what he preached to me prior. So maybe I saw the ugliness but I've also seen the beauty.Posted by MoonbutterAnyone who claims to know a culture or a religion that they haven't lived in, and try to validate their generalizations because they claim to know a few people - aren't worth trusting. NO WHERE in your OP did you try to appear balanced or as though your words don't apply to everyone. You are as close minded as the people you claim to know.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
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Posted by LillyPetalAgain you assume it was just one experience but you are again wrong. I experienced more then I care to share.Posted by MoonbutterWhere I disagree with you in that you purposefully CHOSE to generalize and shed an ugly light on a major part of the world population due to your experience with your boyfriend. Had you had some balance in your OP and prefaced it with some thoughtful thinking, your opinion would perhaps be more valid. But the fact that you KNOW that there is beauty (as there is in almost all cultures and religions) but you deliberately kept it to yourself in an attempt to warp people's perception...you are not as open-minded as you think.Posted by LillyPetalYou assume I haven't lived in that Culture/ environment but you are wrong... I lived with my Muslim boyfriend, wore the hijab a few times and attended Mosque. Plus, we would have long discussions on Islam and then years later he did exactly the opposite what he preached to me prior. So maybe I saw the ugliness but I've also seen the beauty.Posted by MoonbutterAnyone who claims to know a culture or a religion that they haven't lived in, and try to validate their generalizations because they claim to know a few people - aren't worth trusting. NO WHERE in your OP did you try to appear balanced or as though your words don't apply to everyone. You are as close minded as the people you claim to know.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
I am not of the belief that if people don't do things my way, it wrong. Or that people have to give up aspects of themselves to make me feel comfortable. If my neighbor hangs chimes to ward off evil, I am not going to tell them not to do it, and I certainly won't get in a relationship with someone of that culture only to try and change them or judge their country.
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Posted by MoonbutterYou made the wrong decision to get involved with someone so different from yourself. You couldn't handle him because you judged him and his people, and he couldn't handle you because he tried to change you. It was a case of two incompatible people gettin together. You both weren't right for each other, it seems. That's it. Trying to demonize an entire culture and religion due to your experience (whether it was with one man or twenty) is just senseless. I know PLENTY of women who are happily married and have a beautiful life. Yours didn't turn out that way because it wasn't meant to be. Your time will come. Meanwhile, it's not right to spread negativity about others ESPECIALLY when our media does the job well on its own. The flames of ignorance and intolerance are already fed. It doesn't do to fan them further.Posted by LillyPetalAgain you assume it was just one experience but you are again wrong. I experienced more then I care to share.Posted by MoonbutterWhere I disagree with you in that you purposefully CHOSE to generalize and shed an ugly light on a major part of the world population due to your experience with your boyfriend. Had you had some balance in your OP and prefaced it with some thoughtful thinking, your opinion would perhaps be more valid. But the fact that you KNOW that there is beauty (as there is in almost all cultures and religions) but you deliberately kept it to yourself in an attempt to warp people's perception...you are not as open-minded as you think.Posted by LillyPetalYou assume I haven't lived in that Culture/ environment but you are wrong... I lived with my Muslim boyfriend, wore the hijab a few times and attended Mosque. Plus, we would have long discussions on Islam and then years later he did exactly the opposite what he preached to me prior. So maybe I saw the ugliness but I've also seen the beauty.Posted by MoonbutterAnyone who claims to know a culture or a religion that they haven't lived in, and try to validate their generalizations because they claim to know a few people - aren't worth trusting. NO WHERE in your OP did you try to appear balanced or as though your words don't apply to everyone. You are as close minded as the people you claim to know.Posted by LillyPetalThat's a stupid comparison. Anyways, I have friends who are Muslims and they are awesome and then I know other Muslims that are more... extreme I suppose or another sect perhaps but unfortunately I have come across more Muslims that are closed off then ones that are integrated with society. Perhaps D.C. Has runined me when it comes to that so I'm more harsh then others?Posted by MoonbutterAnd I know a woman with brown hair and eye glasses, so I guess that makes me an expert on who you are. ? Your experience with one person gives you close to zero credibility. I LIVED in the society.Posted by LillyPetalMy ex was a Sunni Muslim who tried to convert me I know plenty thank u very muchPosted by MoonbutterIt sounds like to me that you know NOTHING about sharia law. And bring by the number of likes you got, others do not either.
So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
I marched against WAR, environmental degradation, corporate greed, animal exploitation... and NO ONE will convince me that it was for nothing. #WeThePeopleWillNotBeSilenced
I am not of the belief that if people don't do things my way, it wrong. Or that people have to give up aspects of themselves to make me feel comfortable. If my neighbor hangs chimes to ward off evil, I am not going to tell them not to do it, and I certainly won't get in a relationship with someone of that culture only to try and change them or judge their country.
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Posted by IxionHow do you mean this message was taken out of context?
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Secondly, You and others speak of Sarsour about messages that were frankly taken out of context (I checked): Here you go please do avail yourself of fact checking: http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidThey are?Posted by HarleyTwinFlamePosted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by HarleyTwinFlame
I'm not against Muslims, but I'm sure theres people who are privileged enough to live outside of the middle east and be a more modern relaxed Muslim, that see how outdated the religion is and how women are reduced to almost nothing..
Why can't they move forward!!! They didn't all used to be this way
Wrong. It is more like how the vast majority of Christians think Homosexuality is still a sin but try to say they love gay people.
Moderate Muslims still support the idea of Sharia Law. They just won't actively go out of their way to make it a thing in the same way those Christians won't actively ban the gays.
It is all just blanket PC bullshit to cover for the fact that they support evil bullshit.
I guess
If there is exceptions statistically speaking they are a very small minority within a minority, and they aren't the problem.
Fact is Dickbutt is a case in point example of how most Muslims are. Apologetic but ultimately they embrace Sharia Law and cover up the poison.
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Posted by TerramineLightvoidAh atrocities - you're talking about the Wahabbi muslims yes?Posted by Ram416Posted by TerramineLightvoidThey are?Posted by HarleyTwinFlamePosted by TerramineLightvoidPosted by HarleyTwinFlame
I'm not against Muslims, but I'm sure theres people who are privileged enough to live outside of the middle east and be a more modern relaxed Muslim, that see how outdated the religion is and how women are reduced to almost nothing..
Why can't they move forward!!! They didn't all used to be this way
Wrong. It is more like how the vast majority of Christians think Homosexuality is still a sin but try to say they love gay people.
Moderate Muslims still support the idea of Sharia Law. They just won't actively go out of their way to make it a thing in the same way those Christians won't actively ban the gays.
It is all just blanket PC bullshit to cover for the fact that they support evil bullshit.
I guess
If there is exceptions statistically speaking they are a very small minority within a minority, and they aren't the problem.
Fact is Dickbutt is a case in point example of how most Muslims are. Apologetic but ultimately they embrace Sharia Law and cover up the poison.
I grew up around a lot of Sunni muslims, some of my best friends are Sunni muslims. Not once have they tried to convert me in any way, shape or form. I was even in a relationship with a Sunni Muslim for 3 years - yes, the same person who wanted to sit with me in church once when we were visiting a quaint little church in Malaysia. The same person who dissuaded me from the very idea of converting to Islam when I started thinking about it.
Are these the same Muslims you speak of, that you claim DickButt represents?
But why? Why did they suggest that? To me that suggest a mentality that because you're an outsider, you can't be converted to begin with. That it isn't meant for you. What other reason would they have for NOT wanting to convert you? I am radically different and much more fluid and open minded than most Christians. But even I think people should ultimately convert.
Because if you think you have the ultimate truth of the universe. But not only that, that there is a creator of the universe that wants you to praise and worship him. Of course you think everybody HAS to worship him. It comes with the dogma by nature.
Besides. You haven't said they don't support Sharia. Did you ask them? Cause again it doesn't matter if they are more lax about it. The same exact law is used to perpetuate and justify atrocities all the time.
Many victims have come up to speak about it. It isn't like they modify the law itself. They merely interpret it differently. The fact that it can be interpreted to justify and legally sanction murder and rape of innocents. Means it is a whack ass law.
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Posted by IxionWhy so serious, eh?Posted by FeelingGeminiI mean I think you should probably have your ass beat too but I do say that in love.Posted by IxionHow do you mean this message was taken out of context?
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Secondly, You and others speak of Sarsour about messages that were frankly taken out of context (I checked): Here you go please do avail yourself of fact checking: http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/
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"Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women."
Is that the language of peace and compassion elaborated in your post?
I might be wrong, enlighten me.
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Posted by IxionI was sincerely interested in asking you what did you mean by saying that Linda's comments were taken out of context. I gave you an example of one of her comments, so just wanted to see if you could explain wider context that would justify the use of such a hostile vocabulary.Posted by FeelingGeminiI have been a community organizer and activist and dealing with the general public long enough to know the difference between sincere inquiry and self-interested hot air. Read the article take a look at her record on human rights advocacy...you really needn't ask at all less you are purposefully being obtuse.Posted by IxionWhy so serious, eh?Posted by FeelingGeminiI mean I think you should probably have your ass beat too but I do say that in love.Posted by IxionHow do you mean this message was taken out of context?
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Secondly, You and others speak of Sarsour about messages that were frankly taken out of context (I checked): Here you go please do avail yourself of fact checking: http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/
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"Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women."
Is that the language of peace and compassion elaborated in your post?
I might be wrong, enlighten me.
I expected answer along the similar lines. Linda would take the body parts out, you would have more fun with them.
It's all out of love.
Well, I thought you'd enlighten me, since you're good on elaborating things. You gave an effort above, why am I not worthy of something more than a joky one liner?
But, gah, I shouldn't ask the obvious. I should just close my eyes, shut my ears and go lalalalala.
And in that state of mind, support Linda.
Yea.
America, .... yeah 🙂
I could take your answer as an insult, but I'm Gemini so I'm chill.
I just don't buy into anything fake.
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Posted by IxionIndividual dust up? So, I should pay attention to the awards she received and not worry at how she behaves as a human?Posted by FeelingGeminiMy hostility comes from the fact that you quoted the article which gave the full context though of her thoughts on sharia law and yet you are talking about her individual dust up with another person in the movement who has used incendiary language to attempt to slander her current efforts...Posted by IxionI was sincerely interested in asking you what did you mean by saying that Linda's comments were taken out of context. I gave you an example of one of her comments, so just wanted to see if you could explaine wider context that would justify the use of such a hostile vocabulary.Posted by FeelingGeminiI have been a community organizer and activist and dealing with the general public long enough to know the difference between sincere inquiry and self-interested hot air. Read the article take a look at her record on human rights advocacy...you really needn't ask at all less you are purposefully being obtuse.Posted by IxionWhy so serious, eh?Posted by FeelingGeminiI mean I think you should probably have your ass beat too but I do say that in love.Posted by IxionHow do you mean this message was taken out of context?
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Secondly, You and others speak of Sarsour about messages that were frankly taken out of context (I checked): Here you go please do avail yourself of fact checking: http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/
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"Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women."
Is that the language of peace and compassion elaborated in your post?
I might be wrong, enlighten me.
I expected answer along the similar lines. Linda would take the body parts out, you would have more fun with them.
It's all out of love.
Well, I thought you'd enlighten me, since you're good on elaborating things. You gave an effort above, why am I not worthy of something more than a joky one liner?
But, gah, I shouldn't ask the obvious. I should just close my eyes, shut my ears and go lalalalala.
And in that state of mind, support Linda.
Yea.
America, .... yeah 🙂
I could take your answer as an insult, but I'm Gemini so I'm chill.
I just don't buy into anything fake.
I was asking a genuine question.
If you can do that...without doing any due diligence I got nothing for ya. I facilitate insight, I don't give it to you for free unless I am feeling damnably generous.click to expand
Posted by IxionI've been following this thread from the beginning. I'm sorry you got the impression that I didn't. There were many things said, there were lectures on Christianity, Islam, different experiences, and I don't agree that it was only bashing of Muslims by non Muslims; they were quite a few people saying great things about Muslim friends, etc. I like good relations between people. I'm not for hostility of any kind.Posted by FeelingGeminiPosted by IxionIndividual dust up? So, I should pay attention to the awards she received and not worry at how she behaves as a human?Posted by FeelingGeminiMy hostility comes from the fact that you quoted the article which gave the full context though of her thoughts on sharia law and yet you are talking about her individual dust up with another person in the movement who has used incendiary language to attempt to slander her current efforts...Posted by IxionI was sincerely interested in asking you what did you mean by saying that Linda's comments were taken out of context. I gave you an example of one of her comments, so just wanted to see if you could explaine wider context that would justify the use of such a hostile vocabulary.Posted by FeelingGeminiI have been a community organizer and activist and dealing with the general public long enough to know the difference between sincere inquiry and self-interested hot air. Read the article take a look at her record on human rights advocacy...you really needn't ask at all less you are purposefully being obtuse.Posted by IxionWhy so serious, eh?Posted by FeelingGeminiI mean I think you should probably have your ass beat too but I do say that in love.Posted by IxionHow do you mean this message was taken out of context?
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Secondly, You and others speak of Sarsour about messages that were frankly taken out of context (I checked): Here you go please do avail yourself of fact checking: http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/
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"Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women."
Is that the language of peace and compassion elaborated in your post?
I might be wrong, enlighten me.
I expected answer along the similar lines. Linda would take the body parts out, you would have more fun with them.
It's all out of love.
Well, I thought you'd enlighten me, since you're good on elaborating things. You gave an effort above, why am I not worthy of something more than a joky one liner?
But, gah, I shouldn't ask the obvious. I should just close my eyes, shut my ears and go lalalalala.
And in that state of mind, support Linda.
Yea.
America, .... yeah 🙂
I could take your answer as an insult, but I'm Gemini so I'm chill.
I just don't buy into anything fake.
I was asking a genuine question.
If you can do that...without doing any due diligence I got nothing for ya. I facilitate insight, I don't give it to you for free unless I am feeling damnably generous.
There are people who received Nobel Prize and are doing harm to the world. I'm not impressed by titles.
I just listen to her and see what she's saying.
The most heated debate in the world can't bring the words she used out of a good person. You can tell me to study her achievements, but it doesn't take off the fact she's hostile.
OHHH So then I guess I should be thoroughly cowed and moved that you don't like her because she threw insults back in a personal dispute made public? Started because another woman who lived under one of the harshest regimes on the planet had a traumatic experience—
And yet the concern of the OP was about Sharia Law...which Sarsour was not advocating the widespread institution of, ever. She gave a retort and that retort was totally taken out of context. The exchange and commentary from Sarsour are above.
I am not concerned if you like her...but insinuation that what Sarsour stands for is the creation of a repressive regime is patently false.
It is a lie that she somehow supports some ideology that is meant to "snatch away your freedoms" or some other conservative fear-mongering tripe of the sort.
The focus was on the woman's march and her involvement in it.. and also over the some 30 pages worth of muslim bashing by non-muslims that you could have actually gone through if you were so concerned.
But you're not...so why bother? If you must speak on an issue giving a voice of dissent you best have better reasons for your beliefs than she said something mean to someone once.
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@FeelingGemini
1) "Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women,” Sarsour wrote on Twitter in 2011, in a tweet that’s now been deleted, long before she rose to prominence."
I'm not surprised these are the words of the woman who was awarded so many honourable titles. The world we live is in a strange and dangerous state.
I understand anger, I understand fighting against something, but I don't understand this kind of rudeness and nastiness.
A person who can go this low, use this kind of vocabulary on a social media (and in general) can't be good.
Let alone an advocate of women's rights."
2)"In my opinion, a person doesn't need to know anything about the matter, to understand that a person who uses this kind of language, can't be good.
I'm sure that a kid, if he/she read this, or saw her face while saying this, would say - I don't like this lady. Kids are pure, remember. They sense things much better than us adults."
1)You condemn her because of a rude comment she made in 2011 and therefore you think it
automatically nullifies all of her hard work and that she 'can't be good.'
Do you apply this belief to all role models; like parents, teachers etc. or SO and friends?
She received her awards and the "Champion of Change" by the White House because of her
racial justice and human rights activism. http://www.arabamericanny.org/lindasarsour/
Linda Sarsour @lsarsour Feb 4
Don't judge me by tweets taken out of context or something stupid I said 6 years ago,
judge me by my CLEAR civil & human rights track record
338 replies 313 retweets 2,369 likes
Like 2.4K
https://twitter.com/lsarsour
2)Kids can read terrible things anywhere. They also see other ppl's facial
expressions and hear terrible words from their parents, friends, t.v etc every day.
So that must mean they too 'can't be good.' lol
Posted by SkyePosted by FeelingGemini1)You don't have to be impressed by her awards. *shrug*Posted by Skye
@FeelingGemini
1) "Brigitte Gabriel = Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking 4 an a $ $ whippin’. I wish I could take their vaginas away- they don’t deserve to be women,” Sarsour wrote on Twitter in 2011, in a tweet that’s now been deleted, long before she rose to prominence."
I'm not surprised these are the words of the woman who was awarded so many honourable titles. The world we live is in a strange and dangerous state.
I understand anger, I understand fighting against something, but I don't understand this kind of rudeness and nastiness.
A person who can go this low, use this kind of vocabulary on a social media (and in general) can't be good.
Let alone an advocate of women's rights."
2)"In my opinion, a person doesn't need to know anything about the matter, to understand that a person who uses this kind of language, can't be good.
I'm sure that a kid, if he/she read this, or saw her face while saying this, would say - I don't like this lady. Kids are pure, remember. They sense things much better than us adults."
1)You condemn her because of a rude comment she made in 2011 and therefore you think it
automatically nullifies all of her hard work and that she 'can't be good.'
Do you apply this belief to all role models; like parents, teachers etc. or SO and friends?
She received her awards and the "Champion of Change" by the White House because of her
racial justice and human rights activism. http://www.arabamericanny.org/lindasarsour/
Linda Sarsour @lsarsour Feb 4
Don't judge me by tweets taken out of context or something stupid I said 6 years ago,
judge me by my CLEAR civil & human rights track record
338 replies 313 retweets 2,369 likes
Like 2.4K
https://twitter.com/lsarsour
2)Kids can read terrible things anywhere. They also see other ppl's facial
expressions and hear terrible words from their parents, friends, t.v etc every day.
So that must mean they too 'can't be good.' lol
1. As I said before, I'm not impressed by titles. Obama was awarded Nobel Prize for Peace shortly after becoming president. What for? What did he do on a such s big scale to be awarded the honourable prize?
Interesting timing and interesting evaluation of the contribution to the world of the honourable committee that decided on that.
There's a list of controversial awards given throughout the history that the recepients did not really deserve, so a person awarding other for an achievement is not really a proof that the person is virtuous.
Politics is politics, it's much louder and powerful than the truth.
So, receiving a prize from Obama is not really what sets in stone she is to be trusted and honoured, sorry. It's maybe for people who don't like to think and take things at face value. I had to go a bit further, and you usually find some dark things if you dig.
2. Yes, teachers and parents yell at the children and the children don't like them for that.
But you will rarely hear parents or teachers using that kind of language. Some of them do, but those should be taken care of by some institutions, cause it's dangerous and simply not normal.
The language she used would make even the most abused children pause for a moment, with their eyes wide open, staring at her in bewilderment. Their face would tell a thousand words.
She's an advocate of women's rights. She's an adult, who said some terrible things to her equal by age (an adult) because she didn't agree with her. She just couldn't use the vocabulary she did, if she was a decent person.
I understand you might not understand the importance of what and how something comes out of our mouth. It is as much important as the trigger that sets off that need in ourselves. If we take the criticism on what we stand for with a loaded gun coming out of our mouth, something is not right with us. It tells a lot about us. That's our core that our everyday mask hides so well.
Linda didn't like what the other woman said, ok. That doesn't justify someone who is seen as a representative of some noble idea and cause to spew venom on the person whose opinion she didn't like. I watched some videos with both of them, and anyone sensible would see the difference between moderate, clever, composed and nice Ayaan Hirsi Ali and pushy, not beding a bit, rigid Linda.
I will say it again, with the position comes the responsibility.
Linda is not your average Jane, she, as a representative of some universal justice for women should know better.
But you can't control what you have inside, it comes out in the most awkward moments.
It's much less dangerous for individuals like her to speak in front of the people, with one microphone, having thousands in front of you who listen to you. And in the interwievs, where she's asked to elaborate on her goals and achievements, with a very little proper debating thrown in.
The slippery ground comes when they get opposed and debate with people who are of different opinion. That's when the bullets start to shoot and their noble and praiseworthy causes that they fight for, fall under the weight of a big and fragile ego that can't stand being opposed by anyone.
I'm sorry for seeing right through her. Her vocabulary, her semantics, her attitude is absolutely perfect for someone who wants to raise in politics (read power, money) and impose their law. There isn't a little piece of genuine concern for women's right and the betterment of their position in society.
I get reminded of Hitler and his hiding behind the socialism and social politics (betterment of people's conditions, nation in general) while preparing his country for a great war.
I might have gone too far now, I don't think Linda is preparing for war, but I think I'm on the right track when similar thinking and behaviour is concerned.
I'm saddened that women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali are pushed aside by aggresive women who just want to impose their law on others, under the mask of some universal benefactor.
But it's the way today's world functions, unfortunately.
America, .... yeah 🙂
Again, like she said:
Linda Sarsour @lsarsour Feb 4
Don't judge me by tweets taken out of context or something stupid I said 6 years ago,
judge me by my CLEAR civil & human rights track record
338 replies 313 retweets 2,369 likes
She's trusted and honored by thousands because they believe in her.
Look at her fb, twitter and all her supporters who came to her defense.
Orgs, Leaders Show Support for Women’s March Co-Organizer With #IMarchWithLinda
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/orgs-leaders-show-support-women-s-march-co-organizer-imarchwithlinda-n712286
Women’s March Co-Chair Linda Sarsour Vilified, the Internet Responds: #IMarchWithLinda
http://chicagomonitor.com/2017/01/womens-march-linda-sarsour-imarchwithlinda/
2)"But you will rarely hear parents or teachers using that kind of language."
You know every parent and teacher in the world? lol
3)"The language she used would make even the most abused children pause for a moment, with their eyes wide open, staring at her in bewilderment. Their face would tell a thousand words."
How dramatic. You need to write fairy tales.
4)"She's an advocate of women's rights. She's an adult, who said some terrible things to her equal by age (an adult) because she didn't agree with her. She just couldn't use the vocabulary she did, if she was a decent person."
You've never said anything terrible as an adult? So ppl who make mistakes
as ALL humans do and admit they were wrong, are not decent? lol
5)"I'm sorry for seeing right through her. Her vocabulary, her semantics, her attitude is absolutely perfect for someone who wants to raise in politics (read power, money) and impose their law.
You think she's imposing her law? Please explain.
6)"There isn't a little piece of genuine concern for women's right and the betterment of their position in society."
False. Her track record.
7)"I'm saddened that women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali are pushed aside by aggresive women who just want to impose their law on others, under the mask of some universal benefactor."
She's aggressive because that's her personality. What law is she imposing on others?
LOL at you equating a Palestinian to Hitler! Oh the irony.
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Posted by aquanibYour logic is noted.
Just chiming in .... i notice WBC and Wahhabism mentioned in comparative terms.
WBC = fringe loonies with no power
Wahhabism = official policy of KSA and as such has the financial backing of roughly 20% of world oil trade. Backed silently by Uncle Sam looking away...
Plz stop comparing apples and oranges.
Posted by SkyePosted by FeelingGeminiOf course you can have an opinion and so can I. We can agree to disagree.
@Skye
You see, this is where you're wrong. I don't hate her. I just don't think she's a good person.
I can't hate her for that. I just think she can't be a leader of such a noble cause if the words she used (can't repeat anymore), can come out of her mouth.
That's what I think, I can have an opinion, can't I?
I saw a thread, gave my opinion on her, that's all. I'm sorry you can't accept it(and think that I hate her). I see in her a different person from what you see.
People don't pay attention to psychological profiles of their leaders, don't study them from another perspective, just follow the mass. That's a shame. I'm sure we can all do better.
I'm also sorry I didn't get a reply to her tweets about Sharias Law and her subtle hints that America would enjoy the very law if only people knew how good it was. If you care to comment, I'd appreciate hearing if you think she didn't mean anything by it.
I don't trust rigid, aggressive, impolite and disrespectful people. I think they can't be honest leaders of a noble cause.
That's why I think Linda Sarsour is not a suitable person for the role. She just can't represent a decent person, cause she's not one.
Aggression is not the way to succeed, never. I am quite content with my achievements, and I never used agression (verbal or other) to come where I am now. I'm proud of that.
(just some links from a different perspective..
https://mobile.twitter.com/LaloDagach/status/824788955619028993
https://mobile.twitter.com/lalodagach/status/826989429554368512
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/womensmarch-co-chair-linda-sarsours-twitter-attack-on-victim-of-female-genital-mutilation
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Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187She's Muslim and she's exercising her rights under the First Amendment.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Which makes you still ignorant. Go figurePosted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Skye
#IMarchWithLinda
What a toolbag.
You're ignorant.
and you're a toolbag. Go figure
ignorant for seeing that this woman supports Sharia law and the evidence is there? Yeah I'm pretty ignorant for knowing the truth
I understand you don't like it, but I bet you knew nothing factual about her other
than her 'religion'.
You must think all her supporters are toolbags then.
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Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187She's not a hypocrite and her supporters are not ignorant nor are they misguided toolbags.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187She's Muslim and she's exercising her rights under the First Amendment.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Which makes you still ignorant. Go figurePosted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Skye
#IMarchWithLinda
What a toolbag.
You're ignorant.
and you're a toolbag. Go figure
ignorant for seeing that this woman supports Sharia law and the evidence is there? Yeah I'm pretty ignorant for knowing the truth
I understand you don't like it, but I bet you knew nothing factual about her other
than her 'religion'.
You must think all her supporters are toolbags then.
well by their association of ignorance and not seeing that she has supported Sharia law. Then yeah sure, very misguided toolbags. Whom don't see she's a hypocrite
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
March catapults Muslim American into national spotlight and social-media crosshairs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.0f2c36c5d654
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Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Her truths and beliefs are her own and she will continue with her activism.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187She's not a hypocrite and her supporters are not ignorant nor are they misguided toolbags.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187She's Muslim and she's exercising her rights under the First Amendment.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Which makes you still ignorant. Go figurePosted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Skye
#IMarchWithLinda
What a toolbag.
You're ignorant.
and you're a toolbag. Go figure
ignorant for seeing that this woman supports Sharia law and the evidence is there? Yeah I'm pretty ignorant for knowing the truth
I understand you don't like it, but I bet you knew nothing factual about her other
than her 'religion'.
You must think all her supporters are toolbags then.
well by their association of ignorance and not seeing that she has supported Sharia law. Then yeah sure, very misguided toolbags. Whom don't see she's a hypocrite
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
March catapults Muslim American into national spotlight and social-media crosshairs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.0f2c36c5d654
it's very difficult to call yourself a feminist and support Sharia law. A law that's pretty much against everything she's fighting for. It's oxymoronic. It's like a Nazi advocating for the rights of Jews. It just doesn't make any sense and will likely do more to hurt her cause.
Despite a barrage of hateful messages and violent threats targeting her on social media since, Sarsour has continued a punishing schedule of activism as she has sought to bring her heightened profile, and a new sense of what is possible, to a range of resistance movements that are developing in the first weeks of President Trump’s administration.
Within 24 hours of returning to New York after the Women’s March, Sarsour was meeting with organizers for the People’s Climate Movement march, scheduled for April, she said.
And since Trump issued an executive order halting travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries, Sarsour’s activism has been highly visible: She joined protesters at the Los Angeles airport days after the ban was announced, marched with Yemeni businessmen across New York last week and emceed a major rally in Manhattan’s Battery Park to oppose the ban.
She also became the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit brought by the Council on American-Islamic Relations against the Trump administration. The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Alexandria on Jan. 30, is one of dozens challenging the ban. A federal judge in Seattle imposed a temporary stay on the ban Friday that was still in effect Tuesday, when a hearing was scheduled to take place before a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.
The CAIR suit, Sarsour v. Trump , says that the president’s executive order is “overtly” discriminatory and “officially broadcasts a message that the federal government disfavors the religion of Islam.”
Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR, said it took courage for Sarsour to become the face of a high-profile lawsuit challenging the Trump administration.
“We are living in a new era of civil rights advocacy,” he said. “It takes leaders on the front lines who are willing to be there, to take the pressure, to take the hate along with the spotlight, to make a difference.”
“My response to the right-wing trolls and the media outlets: I am not going to be silenced,” Sarsour, the daughter of Palestinian immigrants, said in a phone interview. “I am going to continue this work I have done for 16 years.”
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
Growing up in New York
She started volunteering as an English translator helping Arabic-speaking families get legal services.
She continued down the career path of connecting immigrant and refugee families with services — and speaking up for their rights. At 25, she became the executive director of the Arab American Association of New York, where she still works.
She has focused advocacy on civil rights abuses and criminal justice issues, calling for an end to unwarranted surveillance of Muslims in New York and the police policy of stop-and-frisk, which enabled police to search people for vague reasons.
She was also part of a coalition that succeeded in getting two Muslim holidays added to the New York City public school calendar.
Some Muslims have criticized Sarsour as a self-promoter. But the activist brushes aside such remarks, saying she has been proud to represent a “community who has been silenced and unheard living in a post-9/11 America.”
The Obama administration honored her with a “Champions of Change” award, and she has gained much of her publicity as an activist who also works on issues affecting other groups.
In recent years, she has become active in the Black Lives Matter movement, highlighting similarities in the treatment of Muslim and black Americans by law enforcement.
She helped organize a Muslim response to the 2014 killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, in Ferguson, Mo., by a white police officer.
Last year, she co-chaired a 250-mile march from New York to Washington to call attention to racial profiling and police brutality. She also was involved with Sen. Bernie Sanders’s campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.
As her work has brought her farther outside the boroughs of New York, she has thought about setting her sights on more national work, including a possible bid for Congress.
In the short term, she wants to write a book and continue organizing, registering voters and helping people become more involved in government. “I want to help prove to fellow Americans that democracy works when we participate,” she said.
Her main focus now is “to be an opposition to Trump for the next four years,” she said. “That will keep me very busy.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.1b782a9cc30f
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Posted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187 "it's also her fault if her beliefs dissuade any support."
It would be religious bigotry and that is why she's a racial justice and civil rights activist.
An #IMarchwithLinda campaign started on social media, and support came from organizations such as Human Rights Watch, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as celebrities such as Susan Sarandon and Mark Ruffalo.
Sarsour said she has also received an outpouring of support from the Muslim community, including one group that raised $ 3,900 through an online crowdfunding platform so she could take a vacation, something she said she has not done since 2010. She may take one now, she said, and invite some other organizers who work long hours and can’t afford a trip.
Many express gratitude for her leadership during a time when anti-Muslim sentiment has been surging. Asifa Quraishi-Landes, a professor at University of Wisconsin Law School who studies Islamic law and has followed Sarsour’s career, said she was proud to see a Muslim woman at the helm of a movement representing a wide swath of American society.
Sarsour defies stereotypes of Muslim women as oppressed, she said.
“She’s strong, articulate, a mom — everything that every other woman was at that march,” Quraishi-Landes said.
Growing up in New York
Sarsour, 36, grew up in Brooklyn the oldest of seven children. Her Palestinian parents immigrated to the United States in the 1970s. Her father owned a corner store.
Sarsour went to a predominantly African American high school, an experience that informed her political agenda later on, she said. At 17, she entered an arranged marriage.
When the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred, she was a young mother enrolled at Kingsborough Community College, with plans to become a high school English teacher.
The impact of the subsequent investigations and counterterrorism efforts were swift and profound in the Muslim neighborhood where she grew up.
“I saw coffee shops being raided and different men being taken by law enforcement,” she said.
More here... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.ba304f8c483f
Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Her supporters don't think or believe that she's a "hypocrite or oxymoronic."Posted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187 "it's also her fault if her beliefs dissuade any support."
It would be religious bigotry and that is why she's a racial justice and civil rights activist.
An #IMarchwithLinda campaign started on social media, and support came from organizations such as Human Rights Watch, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as celebrities such as Susan Sarandon and Mark Ruffalo.
Sarsour said she has also received an outpouring of support from the Muslim community, including one group that raised $ 3,900 through an online crowdfunding platform so she could take a vacation, something she said she has not done since 2010. She may take one now, she said, and invite some other organizers who work long hours and can’t afford a trip.
Many express gratitude for her leadership during a time when anti-Muslim sentiment has been surging. Asifa Quraishi-Landes, a professor at University of Wisconsin Law School who studies Islamic law and has followed Sarsour’s career, said she was proud to see a Muslim woman at the helm of a movement representing a wide swath of American society.
Sarsour defies stereotypes of Muslim women as oppressed, she said.
“She’s strong, articulate, a mom — everything that every other woman was at that march,” Quraishi-Landes said.
Growing up in New York
Sarsour, 36, grew up in Brooklyn the oldest of seven children. Her Palestinian parents immigrated to the United States in the 1970s. Her father owned a corner store.
Sarsour went to a predominantly African American high school, an experience that informed her political agenda later on, she said. At 17, she entered an arranged marriage.
When the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred, she was a young mother enrolled at Kingsborough Community College, with plans to become a high school English teacher.
The impact of the subsequent investigations and counterterrorism efforts were swift and profound in the Muslim neighborhood where she grew up.
“I saw coffee shops being raided and different men being taken by law enforcement,” she said.
More here... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.ba304f8c483f
Bigotry because her beliefs dissuade support? And people see her as a oxymoronic and as a hypocrite because of her support for sharia law? Pffft please, nobody's falling for that victim crap. Especially when she just exposed herself.
Her truths and beliefs are her own.
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
March catapults Muslim American into national spotlight and social-media crosshairs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.0f2c36c5d654
Then you must know over 1.5 billion Muslims truth.
Reza Aslan is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, producer, and scholar of religions.
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Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187It is my understanding that all Muslims believe in the teachings of the Quran and hadith which is the definition of Sharia.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Her supporters don't think or believe that she's a "hypocrite or oxymoronic."Posted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187 "it's also her fault if her beliefs dissuade any support."
It would be religious bigotry and that is why she's a racial justice and civil rights activist.
An #IMarchwithLinda campaign started on social media, and support came from organizations such as Human Rights Watch, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as celebrities such as Susan Sarandon and Mark Ruffalo.
Sarsour said she has also received an outpouring of support from the Muslim community, including one group that raised $ 3,900 through an online crowdfunding platform so she could take a vacation, something she said she has not done since 2010. She may take one now, she said, and invite some other organizers who work long hours and can’t afford a trip.
Many express gratitude for her leadership during a time when anti-Muslim sentiment has been surging. Asifa Quraishi-Landes, a professor at University of Wisconsin Law School who studies Islamic law and has followed Sarsour’s career, said she was proud to see a Muslim woman at the helm of a movement representing a wide swath of American society.
Sarsour defies stereotypes of Muslim women as oppressed, she said.
“She’s strong, articulate, a mom — everything that every other woman was at that march,” Quraishi-Landes said.
Growing up in New York
Sarsour, 36, grew up in Brooklyn the oldest of seven children. Her Palestinian parents immigrated to the United States in the 1970s. Her father owned a corner store.
Sarsour went to a predominantly African American high school, an experience that informed her political agenda later on, she said. At 17, she entered an arranged marriage.
When the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred, she was a young mother enrolled at Kingsborough Community College, with plans to become a high school English teacher.
The impact of the subsequent investigations and counterterrorism efforts were swift and profound in the Muslim neighborhood where she grew up.
“I saw coffee shops being raided and different men being taken by law enforcement,” she said.
More here... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.ba304f8c483f
Bigotry because her beliefs dissuade support? And people see her as a oxymoronic and as a hypocrite because of her support for sharia law? Pffft please, nobody's falling for that victim crap. Especially when she just exposed herself.
Her truths and beliefs are her own.
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
March catapults Muslim American into national spotlight and social-media crosshairs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.0f2c36c5d654
Then you must know over 1.5 billion Muslims truth.
Reza Aslan is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, producer, and scholar of religions.
There could be 1.5 billion muslims who don't support sharia law. I know nothing of what they know. What I know is- You don't say you're a feminist and support sharia law in the same sentence. Especially when the law itself involves putting women down for the causes they would fight for like this. Had this been a country run by sharia law, she'd be dead or in a prison cell by now. And let's not forget, she supports it. Her truths and beliefs maybe her own, but there's a price to pay for it when you throw them out there on social media. If she says she doesn't believe sharia law should supplant american law, then what's the point of believing in sharia law to begin with? No one's criminalizing her beliefs, I'm pointing out it's oxymoronic to be a feminist and sharia law supporter in the same sentence.
Turkey : They have had more female heads of state than we have in the US.
Indonesia: Women are 100% equal to men.
10 Totally Badass Female Muslim Politicians You Should Know
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/female-muslim-politicians_n_7621754.html
"Do you know that Muslims have elected 7 women as their heads of state in those Muslim majority countries."
List of the first female heads of government and state in Muslim-majority countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_female_heads_of_government_and_state_in_Muslim-majority_countries
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Posted by Chance_11_You are very true. I think a pluralistic secular democracy with a free market economy only works well in the long term. Hong Kong is a very good example. Right now in US democratic values are limited to a very less. Socialism for the rich capitalism for the poor.Posted by geminidude
Thanks to the founding fathers of democracy, we come up with a new and better idea than all religions to respect and to live peacefully with everyone without considering their religion, caste, color or ethnicity. Democracy is the one who banned slavery not Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Islam. Democracy is tolerant and promotes freedom of speech and expression and I think all religious sects should tolerate democratic values and should integrate with the society we live in.
Ideally, you're right..but people get too caught up in what they call it rather than how it functions and what the structure looks like. 'Democracy' and 'Freedom' are just meaningless buzzwords used to brainwash if they aren't honored in practice.
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Posted by Skye
It is my understanding that all Muslims believe in the teachings of the Quran and hadith which is the definition of Sharia.
"If she says she doesn't believe sharia law should supplant american law, then what's the point of believing in sharia law to begin with?"
American Muslims overwhelmingly support the U.S. Constitution and do not seek to replace it with Sharia or Islamic law.
The vast majority of American Muslims understand Sharia as a personal, religious obligation governing the practice of their
faith, not as something American governments should enforce.
More info here
http://www.tolerance.org/publication/sharia
Posted by SkyeI think I mentioned above that all the countries that you stated, except Pakistan, don't follow Sharia Law.Posted by Sn1p3r187In Pakistan sharia applies in full, covering personal status issues as well as criminal proceedings.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187It is my understanding that all Muslims believe in the teachings of the Quran and hadith which is the definition of Sharia.Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Her supporters don't think or believe that she's a "hypocrite or oxymoronic."Posted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187 "it's also her fault if her beliefs dissuade any support."
It would be religious bigotry and that is why she's a racial justice and civil rights activist.
An #IMarchwithLinda campaign started on social media, and support came from organizations such as Human Rights Watch, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as celebrities such as Susan Sarandon and Mark Ruffalo.
Sarsour said she has also received an outpouring of support from the Muslim community, including one group that raised $ 3,900 through an online crowdfunding platform so she could take a vacation, something she said she has not done since 2010. She may take one now, she said, and invite some other organizers who work long hours and can’t afford a trip.
Many express gratitude for her leadership during a time when anti-Muslim sentiment has been surging. Asifa Quraishi-Landes, a professor at University of Wisconsin Law School who studies Islamic law and has followed Sarsour’s career, said she was proud to see a Muslim woman at the helm of a movement representing a wide swath of American society.
Sarsour defies stereotypes of Muslim women as oppressed, she said.
“She’s strong, articulate, a mom — everything that every other woman was at that march,” Quraishi-Landes said.
Growing up in New York
Sarsour, 36, grew up in Brooklyn the oldest of seven children. Her Palestinian parents immigrated to the United States in the 1970s. Her father owned a corner store.
Sarsour went to a predominantly African American high school, an experience that informed her political agenda later on, she said. At 17, she entered an arranged marriage.
When the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred, she was a young mother enrolled at Kingsborough Community College, with plans to become a high school English teacher.
The impact of the subsequent investigations and counterterrorism efforts were swift and profound in the Muslim neighborhood where she grew up.
“I saw coffee shops being raided and different men being taken by law enforcement,” she said.
More here... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.ba304f8c483f
Bigotry because her beliefs dissuade support? And people see her as a oxymoronic and as a hypocrite because of her support for sharia law? Pffft please, nobody's falling for that victim crap. Especially when she just exposed herself.
Her truths and beliefs are her own.
Many of her accusers say she is an advocate of sharia, or Islamic law.
“That sounds scary to people,” she said. But she said she does not think sharia law should supplant American laws, as some suggest.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
She said efforts to make these private worship rules seem more insidious are attempts to “criminalize” Muslims for following the tenets of their faith.
“There are Muslims and regimes that oppress women, but I believe that my religion is an empowering religion,” Sarsour said. “I wear hijab by choice.”
March catapults Muslim American into national spotlight and social-media crosshairs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.0f2c36c5d654
Then you must know over 1.5 billion Muslims truth.
Reza Aslan is an internationally renowned writer, commentator, professor, producer, and scholar of religions.
There could be 1.5 billion muslims who don't support sharia law. I know nothing of what they know. What I know is- You don't say you're a feminist and support sharia law in the same sentence. Especially when the law itself involves putting women down for the causes they would fight for like this. Had this been a country run by sharia law, she'd be dead or in a prison cell by now. And let's not forget, she supports it. Her truths and beliefs maybe her own, but there's a price to pay for it when you throw them out there on social media. If she says she doesn't believe sharia law should supplant american law, then what's the point of believing in sharia law to begin with? No one's criminalizing her beliefs, I'm pointing out it's oxymoronic to be a feminist and sharia law supporter in the same sentence.
Turkey : They have had more female heads of state than we have in the US.
Indonesia: Women are 100% equal to men.
10 Totally Badass Female Muslim Politicians You Should Know
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/female-muslim-politicians_n_7621754.html
"Do you know that Muslims have elected 7 women as their heads of state in those Muslim majority countries."
List of the first female heads of government and state in Muslim-majority countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_female_heads_of_government_and_state_in_Muslim-majority_countries
All those countries you listed that have women in parliament or positions of power. Those countries don't impose sharia law. One province in Indonesia does, but that's not enough for just one country. None of the countries support sharia law. Mali is a different case a rebel group took over in North Mali and imposed it. They were able to get into positions of power because sharia law wasn't enforced. *sigh* this is the textbook definition of a toolbag.
In Bangladesh and Mauritius sharia applies in personal status issues (such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, and child custody).
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Posted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187:
"ignorant for seeing that this woman supports Sharia law and the evidence is there? Yeah I'm pretty ignorant for knowing the truth"
You calling me a toolbag because I support Linda (as I would any individual) in her racial and civil activism is because you're a bigot and that's the truth. She has the right to practice her religion just like everyone else in the U.S. Yeah, you're still ignorant.
Posted by Skye
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Another bigot.
Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187Posted by Skye
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Another bigot.
Oh she's a bigot because she doesn't agree with you? Or pointed out the fact of the matter that she was killed? Is bigot the only ammunition you have for a comeback?
I called her a bigot based on all her posts in this thread re Linda.
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Posted by Skye
"The general definition of Sharia as understood by most American Muslims is as follows:
Sharia represents how practicing Muslims can best lead their daily lives in accordance with God’s divine guidance. It may be generally defined as the Islamic law revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad. That divine law was then interpreted by Muslim scholars over the centuries. Among the primary aims of the Sharia are the achievement of justice, fairness and mercy.
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22. Is Sharia compatible with American law and values?
Many aspects of Sharia or Islamic law are consistent with modern legal rules found in American law. For example, both legal systems allow rights to personal property, mutual consent to contracts, the presumption of innocence in criminal proceedings, and the right of women to initiate divorce proceedings.
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Posted by SkyeYou're welcome 🙂
I don't recall you asking me any questions.
"But...if you ever decide to question yourself, maybe a little introspection on personal behaviour wouldn't hurt.."
You need to take your own advice.
You've exposed yourself throughout this thread and even with your last comment.
I see you.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment! You made my day 🙂
Posted by SkyePosted by Sn1p3r187BackpedalingPosted by Skye
@Sn1p3r187:
"ignorant for seeing that this woman supports Sharia law and the evidence is there? Yeah I'm pretty ignorant for knowing the truth"
You calling me a toolbag because I support Linda (as I would any individual) in her racial and civil activism is because you're a bigot and that's the truth. She has the right to practice her religion just like everyone else in the U.S. Yeah, you're still ignorant.
A bigot to people who are hypocrites and oxymoronic? Yeah I'm a pretty big bigot for seeing feminism and sharia law as contradictory and pointing that out. And addressing the fact that the countries you listed don't have sharia law in place. Which is why those women got elected to power. Of course she can practice her religion I don't really care about her religion. I care about the oxymoron. You could be muslim and not support some aspects of sharia law. The ignorance is in those who don't want to acknowledge the information and truth in front of them, so I suggest- Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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YOU think she's a hypocrite and oxymoronic because you don't know her truth.
"You could be muslim and not support some aspects of sharia law."
EXACTLY! Not all Muslims abide by ALL sharia laws.
She, like many other U.S. Muslims, regard sharia as a guide for their private religious practice, she said. “I don’t eat pork,” she said. “I don’t drink alcohol. I pray five times a day.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.927ee77e9fe7
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Posted by sagsagsagThanks 🙂Posted by FeelingGemini
Tolerance.org is a great site full of great advices on how to turn the other cheek and always look at the most positive and benign options.
It is an honourable way of thinking and it would be perfect if our world was a sacred place where we could practice love and undertanding 24/7.
Agape, as it is stated on the site that is full of universal love for everyone, and refuses to look at things as they are, is a great thing to follow and preach, but you have to have at least a bit of sanity to be able to tell the wheat from the chaff.
When you put blinders on and walk around saying "Agape, agape, dear people.." without sane understanding of the surroundings, and the moment you live in, you enter a dangerous zone of self-delusion.
Political correctness, the lovely political correctness...Posted by Skye
"The general definition of Sharia as understood by most American Muslims is as follows:
Sharia represents how practicing Muslims can best lead their daily lives in accordance with God’s divine guidance. It may be generally defined as the Islamic law revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad. That divine law was then interpreted by Muslim scholars over the centuries. Among the primary aims of the Sharia are the achievement of justice, fairness and mercy.
...
22. Is Sharia compatible with American law and values?
Many aspects of Sharia or Islamic law are consistent with modern legal rules found in American law. For example, both legal systems allow rights to personal property, mutual consent to contracts, the presumption of innocence in criminal proceedings, and the right of women to initiate divorce proceedings.
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Here's an example of property rights in Sharia Law (equality and all that jazz)
1.A share of the male is double that of the female
2. A widow is entitled to one-eighth share of her husbands property when there are children and one-fourth share when there are none.
3. A daughter gets half of whatever share her brother gets. In case she has no brother, she is entitled to a share of half the property.
4. A mother will get one-third share of her sons property when there are no children and one-sixth when there are.
Now a bit on the women's right to divorce (equality, women's rights and more of all that jazz..)
"Many religions have their own guidelines regarding marriage and what it entails...
... Islam, the second largest religion in the world, covers the concept of marriage and its dissolution in detail. Under Islamic law, otherwise known as sharia law, divorce is permitted, but there are separate rules regarding divorce for men and women. For a man, the manner of obtaining a divorce from his wife can be as simple as a phrase and a waiting period. For a woman, divorce from her husband is a far more complicated ordeal that tends to involve reimbursement to her husband, or sacrificing child custody and financial support..."
http://moderndiplomacy.eu/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=950:untying-the-knot-divorce-and-women-s-rights-in-islam&Itemid=678
Now, if you still believe that Linda is interested in Sharia Law through fasting and praying 5 times a day (which would be great if she really was, cause diversity of folklore is what makes this world so great), I'm sorry I have to remind you that she's interested in the economic aspect of it, too, especially the way Sharia Law would look like in America (for those interested in praying, fasting....and money 🙂)
I'm sure, once these three passed, she would like to see some other introduced too...but all in the right time, all in the right time..
"If you're still paying interest rates, than Sharia Law hasn't taken over America"
"You know when you're living under Sharia Law if suddenly all your loans and credit cards become interest free. Sound nice, isn't it?"
🙂
I'm quoting this now coz i want to answer this when i hv time.. You're mentioning few bits of law in a surah my parents named me after, I feel i'm obligated to add few things lol ?
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Posted by SkyeMuslim Magic? Ok ?
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"I asked you many questions, you can have a look if you're interested, but I'm sure you have more important things to do, and I gave up on waiting to get some valid answers."
Read the Washington Post article lol. All the answers are there.
Here's another copy and paste off of her 2 most recent posts on fb lol
Linda Sarsour
6 hrs ·
People always ask me how I get through all the hate and the lies. How do I keep my head up? How do I move forward and stay focused on my work and my priorities? It's simple. I don't allow my enemies to define me. I don't give the opposition the satisfaction of silencing me. I am a Palestinian American Muslim New Yorker born and raised in Brooklyn - I am not easily intimidated.
Don't ever live your life in way where what people say defines how you choose to live your life. Be you. Be unapologetically you. They can hate and lie all they want but they will never take away from me my dignity or identity. That belongs to me and only me.
Keep it moving. We got a lot of work to do. ✊?❤️✊?
Black Muslim Magic. ❤️✊?❤️
Busta just slammed Donald Trump in an epic Grammys performance
A Tribe Called Quest and Busta Rhymes just called Donald Trump "President Agent Orange," and slammed his "Muslim ban," broke through the border wall and closed by demanding people "resist" #Grammys
https://www.facebook.com/TheRawStory/videos/10155079544772235/?pnref=story
Posted by Skye
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Another bigot.
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