Men say " Women are confusing" Women say " Men are difficult to understand " So .... what do you think? 🙂
In a relationship, who is the most confusing? Man or Woman?
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But I saw many topics here women saying that they are confused by .......sign man... so on..🙂 So men are also unreadable creatures—
They real reason this happens is lack of communication.
The men are more confusing to women and women are more confusing to men...so pretty much equally confusing.
Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428This.
They real reason this happens is lack of communication.
Also, I've dated both, and I've found that women tend to read too much into or overthink things more often than men.
Posted by OceanBoy88Stop dating leo moon girls...?😉 jk
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shit right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
Posted by OceanBoy88The irony...I had a similar problem with a Gemini sun/Gemini moon.
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shit right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
Only difference is in the response, "You should know me better than that."
Posted by HappyCapperIf only.
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
Posted by OceanBoy88So the next one, period? Since you bring home the whole store, an'all...😄Posted by HappyCapperFawk it, next one that likes the snacks i bring home.. Daas wifeyPosted by OceanBoy88Stop dating leo moon girls...?😉 jk
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shit right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
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Posted by Ram416ðŸ˜Posted by HappyCapperIf only.
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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Posted by Ram416I definitely believe that but I do have air planet's so that maybe the culprits. I am still fixed in some ways and slow approaching, and other times I know what exactly I need to say when I need to. Other times I process it and let it go alot.Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428This.
They real reason this happens is lack of communication.
Also, I've dated both, and I've found that women tend to read too much into or overthink things more often than men.click to expand
Posted by OceanBoy88lol
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
Best remedy is always to be a great cook so there's no way they can complain.
Posted by OceanBoy88Sounds like something I do with my brother before he comes home from work. Haha.and he does it to me too when I'm out. The nerve.
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
Posted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperThey are exaggerated in the movies though. In my description everything seems OK on the surface, I'm asked to do something, and then boom! Her Virgo rising gives me a slap across the face for making a mistake ðŸ˜Posted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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Posted by OceanBoy88Not only candies....but movies, clothes, the list goes on.Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428Even siblings confuse eachother! Ahh such a struggle to know what kind of candy y'all want!Posted by OceanBoy88Sounds like something I do with my brother before he comes home from work. Haha.and he does it to me too when I'm out. The nerve.
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.click to expand
Posted by OceanBoy88I feel it's time to sit her down and tell her the expression was bring home the bacon for centuries and no one went "why the bacon? I want something else"
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
But seriously, that would stress me out.
Posted by Ram416Omg! And if you tell her that you're not a mindreader...? What then? Craves more (of the RIGHT) candy for you to pick up?😄Posted by HappyCapperThey are exaggerated in the movies though. In my description everything seems OK on the surface, I'm asked to do something, and then boom! Her Virgo rising gives me a slap across the face for making a mistake ðŸ˜Posted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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Posted by OceanBoy88
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
I can't stop laughing out loud 😉
Posted by HappyCapperI've tried the "I'm not a mindreader" bit before.Posted by Ram416Omg! And if you tell her that you're not a mindreader...? What then? Craves more (of the RIGHT) candy for you to pick up?😄Posted by HappyCapperThey are exaggerated in the movies though. In my description everything seems OK on the surface, I'm asked to do something, and then boom! Her Virgo rising gives me a slap across the face for making a mistake ðŸ˜Posted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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She'll just keep repeating that I should know her better 😢
Thankfully we're not seeing each other anymore.
Posted by OceanBoy88LOL Not only that. I can buy my own candy. Mhmm.😄Posted by HappyCapperSounds like you know what kinda candy you want. What's your ring finger size? xDPosted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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Posted by OceanBoy88I had the feeling it was the Virgo but I put my fingers in my ears and went lalalalalala.Posted by DamnataI can't sit her down, she's an ex now lol xDPosted by OceanBoy88I feel it's time to sit her down and tell her the expression was bring home the bacon for centuries and no one went "why the bacon? I want something else"
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
But seriously, that would stress me out.
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Posted by Ram416I just keep shaking my head with my jaw about knee level.Posted by HappyCapperI've tried the "I'm not a mindreader" bit before.Posted by Ram416Omg! And if you tell her that you're not a mindreader...? What then? Craves more (of the RIGHT) candy for you to pick up?😄Posted by HappyCapperThey are exaggerated in the movies though. In my description everything seems OK on the surface, I'm asked to do something, and then boom! Her Virgo rising gives me a slap across the face for making a mistake ðŸ˜Posted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
She'll just keep repeating that I should know her better 😢
Thankfully we're not seeing each other anymore.click to expand
I'm not shocked as to why... Good you got rid of her!
Posted by OceanBoy88Well, ya know... *tosses hair*Posted by HappyCapperOoo she's independent too??! I was just sent an angel. That can pick her own candies. LOL 😄Posted by OceanBoy88LOL Not only that. I can buy my own candy. Mhmm.😄Posted by HappyCapperSounds like you know what kinda candy you want. What's your ring finger size? xDPosted by OceanBoy88Omfg! I'm just staring in front of myself in disbelief, right now. I honestly thought they were exaggerated characters in movies where they are extremely hormonal, or something. You know, for laughs...Posted by HappyCapperNO THEY ARE REAL!!! So i learned to buy apology gifts ahead of time and keep them in my trunk for later use ! Drives a man insane!
@OceanBoy88 and @Ram416
Really? I thought these girls only existed in the movies.
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Posted by Ram416But hm I can be indecisive like lets say at a fast food restaurant and I have been there a million times. I think I get frustrated when I ask and just got everything else but the one thing I desperately needed.Posted by OceanBoy88Not only candies....but movies, clothes, the list goes on.Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428Even siblings confuse eachother! Ahh such a struggle to know what kind of candy y'all want!Posted by OceanBoy88Sounds like something I do with my brother before he comes home from work. Haha.and he does it to me too when I'm out. The nerve.
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
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Posted by CAPLOCK
Guy : Hey Babe im busy today.
Girl : Oh maybe he doesnt want to hang out with me.
Guy : I miss you. Talk to you later.
Girl : why cant you talk right now ?
Guy: Im not ready for a relationship.
Girl: Oh maybe he doesnt want to committ and just date other woman.
Another one that made me laugh out loud; ) Yeah we women sometimes over analyzed.
Posted by sue26Haha typical response for younger people.Posted by CAPLOCK
Guy : Hey Babe im busy today.
Girl : Oh maybe he doesnt want to hang out with me.
Guy : I miss you. Talk to you later.
Girl : why cant you talk right now ?
Guy: Im not ready for a relationship.
Girl: Oh maybe he doesnt want to committ and just date other woman.
Another one that made me laugh out loud; ) Yeah we women sometimes over analyzed.
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Hey Babe, I'm busy today.
Oh okay talk of you soon then, have a good day.
I miss you and I'll talk to you later
Awe really? I miss you too ttly.
I'm not ready for a relationship
Oh okay not rushing here either.
Oh okay talk of you soon then, have a good day.
I miss you and I'll talk to you later
Awe really? I miss you too ttly.
I'm not ready for a relationship
Oh okay not rushing here either.
Posted by tizianiWoman are biologically timed of course when the man above shows it to us. We hope and believe that all people that come into out lives is for purpose.
I think once women figure out the difference between emotional bonding and commitment, it's smoother sailing from then on for both. But both men and women tell me that women complicate things.
But it is also the man downstairs that wants a challenge on a daily basis.
I feel it is a tug of war between your subconscious and consciousness of good and evil. And when to actually know oh okay this is the one I want to spend some time with. And get to know better. Lucky there's lots of people on earth to weed through..
Posted by OceanBoy881. Ice cream aka chocolate chip cookie dough..
Print this out my fellow man friends. Attack the problem at the root of its source! No to indecisive women! We're so sick of getting it wrong!! >😢
2. Yes I check expiration date, and see if there are any recalls lately, and I smh everytime I see half air and half chip bag really expensive.
3. Yes.
Posted by tizianiThis is interesting. For me to commit, I need the actual words that say there's a relationship. But if I'm in a relationship and have checked out emotionally, I don't feel committed anymore, whether it's said or not. So I know with myself that I have to really voice these things directly. I've been a good girl so far, and I doubt I would ever cheat, but I know how I work and it's dangerous, so I know what I need to do.
I think once women figure out the difference between emotional bonding and commitment, it's smoother sailing from then on for both.
I blame my sag venus.
Both are confusing.
She doesn't understand what he doesn't understand and vice-versa.
To avoid more confusion he stop replying to her which makes her confusing why he stop replying to the conversation which turn him upset about having to reply when he has no meaning to reply.
She start thinking he is a confusing person and start a monologue about the way the relationship goes and if it really matters.
He hear her and start thinking she is a confusing person because she start talking about the relationship when the previous conversation has noting to do with the relationship.
He start arguing her monologue which start a new conversation about the relationship direction.
The chat gets louder and louder with arguments/accusation from both side.
Both gets really upset and the talk is over.
Both goes to the bed. Their faces are upset. They look each other.
She doesn't understand why he doesn't understand and vice-versa.
She think that's the way life is and goes on. He think she is that way and life goes on.
The make love and go to sleep.
She doesn't understand what he doesn't understand and vice-versa.
To avoid more confusion he stop replying to her which makes her confusing why he stop replying to the conversation which turn him upset about having to reply when he has no meaning to reply.
She start thinking he is a confusing person and start a monologue about the way the relationship goes and if it really matters.
He hear her and start thinking she is a confusing person because she start talking about the relationship when the previous conversation has noting to do with the relationship.
He start arguing her monologue which start a new conversation about the relationship direction.
The chat gets louder and louder with arguments/accusation from both side.
Both gets really upset and the talk is over.
Both goes to the bed. Their faces are upset. They look each other.
She doesn't understand why he doesn't understand and vice-versa.
She think that's the way life is and goes on. He think she is that way and life goes on.
The make love and go to sleep.
Posted by tizianiI know what candy I want...😉Posted by HappyCapperDo you feel you voice what you need directly, while in the relationship, too?Posted by tizianiThis is interesting. For me to commit, I need the actual words that say there's a relationship. But if I'm in a relationship and have checked out emotionally, I don't feel committed anymore, whether it's said or not. So I know with myself that I have to really voice these things directly. I've been a good girl so far, and I doubt I would ever cheat, but I know how I work and it's dangerous, so I know what I need to do.
I think once women figure out the difference between emotional bonding and commitment, it's smoother sailing from then on for both.
I blame my sag venus.
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No, seriously. I think I do most of the time, but I think that I may have been too mild at times, when breaking things that the other person didn't really want to hear. I know I've been clear, but should have been more blunt since people tend to not wanting to really register things they don't want to hear.
I'm not sure if that answered your question, though...?
Posted by Fox😄Posted by HappyCapperPosted by FoxYou should. *nods*
@HappyCapper
I blame yer sag venus too
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Posted by tizianiPfft! I would nevvva! *gasps*Posted by HappyCapperIt did. Heartbreaker venus types, smh. lolPosted by tizianiI know what candy I want...😉Posted by HappyCapperDo you feel you voice what you need directly, while in the relationship, too?Posted by tizianiThis is interesting. For me to commit, I need the actual words that say there's a relationship. But if I'm in a relationship and have checked out emotionally, I don't feel committed anymore, whether it's said or not. So I know with myself that I have to really voice these things directly. I've been a good girl so far, and I doubt I would ever cheat, but I know how I work and it's dangerous, so I know what I need to do.
I think once women figure out the difference between emotional bonding and commitment, it's smoother sailing from then on for both.
I blame my sag venus.
No, seriously. I think I do most of the time, but I think that I may have been too mild at times, when breaking things that the other person didn't really want to hear. I know I've been clear, but should have been more blunt since people tend to not wanting to really register things they don't want to hear.
I'm not sure if that answered your question, though...?
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Posted by OceanBoy88I love chips just so expensive usually I get the 2 for 5 Stater brother's has for sale. Well I can make my own chips and salsa for 5 bucks. I usually just fry in canola oil about half of corn tortillas package. Season with salt and pepper..Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428Speaking of chip bags of air.... they have much more air now then before !!! Back in my days, it was only 10% air and the small bag was todays mediums ! And a dollar got you a good bag of chips!Posted by OceanBoy881. Ice cream aka chocolate chip cookie dough..
Print this out my fellow man friends. Attack the problem at the root of its source! No to indecisive women! We're so sick of getting it wrong!! >😢
2. Yes I check expiration date, and see if there are any recalls lately, and I smh everytime I see half air and half chip bag really expensive.
3. Yes.
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Posted by FoxAll of the above applies to my most recent experience. And this person wasn't even an SO.
I don't even want to imagine what she's like to her SO. Poor guy.
Posted by HappyCapperI think this applies to aries venus too though.Posted by FoxYou should. *nods*
@HappyCapper
I blame yer sag venus too
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Posted by Ram416Not entirely impossible. I was thinking of gem venus as well, but I don't think I have experienced this with the gem venus guy I was with. Maybe I was out the door too fast to know...? 😉Posted by HappyCapperI think this applies to aries venus too though.Posted by FoxYou should. *nods*
@HappyCapper
I blame yer sag venus too
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Some say (usually married men):
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Posted by nevesYeah I can see that as an options.
Some say (usually married men):
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Posted by tizianiooohh sooo cute!!! I love pandas. we saw them at the zoo this spring.Posted by FoxPosted by HappyCapperPosted by FoxYou should. *nods*
@HappyCapper
I blame yer sag venus too
Offer Them Pandas - the new bestseller.
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I think lots of relationship problems are caused by misunderstanding b/w man and woman. How long it will take to understand each other?
Most times ... the only reason people say they are confused or that they don't understand .... is when they are in denial, and refuse to accept the reality of their situation.
Because .. unless you're mentally retarded, you are capable of rationalizing.
Posted by MiZLeoNow we are talking. Omg chocolate. The best types out now.Posted by OceanBoy88😆 Kit Kat, Reeces(cups or pieces), or peanut butter Twix and we are golden! Altho, I would have been happy with the powdered donuts too! My husband got this. He'd just show up with one of the above with out me asking and I'd be like "ooo, you read my mind!"
Women. I especially hate it when she calls me when im heading home to say,
"Buy me something at the store on your way back, something sweet"
"Ok, what do you want?"
"Something good!"
" Skittles?"
"No! Something good! Fawk!"
"Snickers??"
"Never mind you never know what i want" ::Hangs up phone::
-i come back with oreos, twinkies, powdered donuts, danishes, rice crispies, beef jerky, chips, snapple, Rolos and M&M's-
Her - "Man you never get shiet right!" ::she takes the beef jerky::
Wtf—!
This happens soooooo much i just expect it from all my future girlfriends.
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The only reason people are "confusing" is because one refuses to see what's really going on with the other. People are so self absorbed that they don't LISTEN and PAY ATTENTION to what the other person is actually saying/doing and replace that with their own reality of the situation.
Then they wonder why they get knocked on their ass.
Emotional selfishness needs to go.
Then they wonder why they get knocked on their ass.
Emotional selfishness needs to go.
Thanks and it is true.However simple misunderstanding also occurred in some situations.
Posted by tizianiFor real. How do you expect someone to know what you want when you can't even decide what you want? If it's important to me, I'll speak up. If not, then I won't fuss about it.
Seems like a wise choice.
That said, some women don't expect you to read their minds. They do, however, hope you are paying attention. So while I won't expect him to remember what kind of chocolate I like, I do expect him to remember I like chocolate. (chocolate's important, you know!)
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For the men: when you are talking with some girls (friends) more than with others, does it always mean you are not thinking that much about the one you are not talking to? do you have to talk to think about that person? why is it easy for you to talk to o
Has anyone been to a wedding recently?
I'm curious to what new trends are popular as well as some fresh ideas.
What's in?
What's out?
What kind of food was served?
Etc.
We're doing an autumn/fall theme and want a simple, inexpensive, but e
how important is intellectual stimulation to you in relationships? does it make or break anything?
I'm guessing my Mercury conjunct Venus has to do with this even though it's a wide orb.
I'm feeling guilty, but I used to have very intriguing conver
I've talked to people who has told me they'd like it that way so they wouldn't have to worry about other people trying to talk to their partner and they think it would decrease the chances of cheating. And I've also talked to people who told me they would
So my ex and I have been broken up for a year and6 months now and I was making terrific progress throughout the time. She had found herself a new bf while her and I were talking about us. In short terms, she basically kept me as her 2nd option, and when s