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cutedecemberangel
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but you dont want to make him feel bad because you feel that if his fault is unknown to people and if he thinks his fault is unknown to you then he might try to change himself secretly but if he knows that you know then he will be too stubborn to change himself. Because its easier and less egoistic to change when the fault is private than when the fault is public. It will be selfish to confront him just so that he gives me an explanation but confronting him increases the chances of hitting his ego to not change.
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.... You have no self respect, love; Which is why he feels it's okay to cheat on you because you don't think it's wrong.
you are right, so do u think if i bring back my self respect and love and improve myself will inspire him to change aswell?
Are you trolling? If not.. Ugh.
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I am sorry, i m not trolling. Tell me anything, tell me to leave him aswell but give me a detailed insight of yours that will make me satisfied that me leaving him will be best or whatever advice you have will be the best for both of us, with assurance that it wont have a bad affect on him but might atleast might have a good affect.
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Posted by RatedX
I don't want to come off as rude, love. But you shouldn't let that man treat you like a toy. Leave him asap..
you see he left me once, after i told him he doesnt respect me and he told me he doesnt want to hurt me so he left but came back and now he is never rude like before and respects me as much as possible but i know he is still talking to that girl. I am confused, if he doesnt love me what's with this? I told him he can be with someone else if he wants and leave me as he doesnt love me but i didnt tell him i know he is with someone else. Why is he with me? Tell me he doesnt love me, be rude if you want 🙂 i know you guys mean well
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If he's cheating but you want him to change secretly, how will you ever know if he does? Even if you try to keep track of him, there could be moments where you're unsure if he's cheated again. Confronting him isn't selfish. It's his responsibility to own up to his actions. If he knows you know, he will feel that he can't get away with it any longer. If you keep is secret, he could think 'well, she didn't find out the first time, so I'll continue doing this'. I've learned in the past that deterrence often doesn't work for crimes since the large amount of criminals don't get caught or punished. Due to that, they believe the benefits of committing crime outweigh the risk of getting caught/the consequences of getting caught. Similarly, if other behavior isn't caught, it will lead to further such behavior in the future. You can't expect him to have a change of heart, especially when the he likely isn't severely concerned about losing your relationship, since if he were, the risks and consequences would outweigh the benefits of cheating.

You've already taken him back despite him leaving - he knows you have a soft spot for him. So, he probably figures,' hey, this girl has forgiven me once, she'll probably do it again. Why not have a little fun while I'm at it?'.
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Posted by JustALeo
Karma takes care of every one, good or bad.

No one changes because of others, people only change when they feel it deep inside of them that they need to.

Fuck the ego, you gonna let that be his excuse to cheat on you over and over? If so, make sure you don't sign the pre-nup so that one day when you get married and finally had enough of the cheating, you get half of everything.
I agree he wouldnt change for me or others. But he would change if he didnt know i knew right? My point is, if he knew that i knew then even if he wanted to change then he will feel like he is changing for me and that mighht be discouraging? he might think why change for her? but if he wants to change and think its safe to change now that no one knows, he will change easily then right? because then his ego wont interfere.
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If he's cheating but you want him to change secretly, how will you ever know if he does? Even if you try to keep track of him, there could be moments where you're unsure if he's cheated again. Confronting him isn't selfish. It's his responsibility to own up to his actions. If he knows you know, he will feel that he can't get away with it any longer. If you keep is secret, he could think 'well, she didn't find out the first time, so I'll continue doing this'. I've learned in the past that deterrence often doesn't work for crimes since the large amount of criminals don't get caught or punished. Due to that, they believe the benefits of committing crime outweigh the risk of getting caught/the consequences of getting caught. Similarly, if other behavior isn't caught, it will lead to further such behavior in the future. You can't expect him to have a change of heart, especially when the he likely isn't severely concerned about losing your relationship, since if he were, the risks and consequences would outweigh the benefits of cheating.

You've already taken him back despite him leaving - he knows you have a soft spot for him. So, he probably figures,' hey, this girl has forgiven me once, she'll probably do it again. Why not have a little fun while I'm at it?'.
So confronting him and then leaving him will be best for him? Thank you 🙂
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Posted by JustALeo
Karma takes care of every one, good or bad.

No one changes because of others, people only change when they feel it deep inside of them that they need to.

Fuck the ego, you gonna let that be his excuse to cheat on you over and over? If so, make sure you don't sign the pre-nup so that one day when you get married and finally had enough of the cheating, you get half of everything.
I dont want karma on him, he just came out of a long relationship (7 years) was loyal to that girl. This year he found out the girl he recently had crush on was cheating on him aswell. He is going through stress from some moderate to severe health issues, some family problem and not even doing well with his studies. I am waiting for him to be done with his surgery and then i will leave him IF its the best thing to do.
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If he's cheating but you want him to change secretly, how will you ever know if he does? Even if you try to keep track of him, there could be moments where you're unsure if he's cheated again. Confronting him isn't selfish. It's his responsibility to own up to his actions. If he knows you know, he will feel that he can't get away with it any longer. If you keep is secret, he could think 'well, she didn't find out the first time, so I'll continue doing this'. I've learned in the past that deterrence often doesn't work for crimes since the large amount of criminals don't get caught or punished. Due to that, they believe the benefits of committing crime outweigh the risk of getting caught/the consequences of getting caught. Similarly, if other behavior isn't caught, it will lead to further such behavior in the future. You can't expect him to have a change of heart, especially when the he likely isn't severely concerned about losing your relationship, since if he were, the risks and consequences would outweigh the benefits of cheating.

You've already taken him back despite him leaving - he knows you have a soft spot for him. So, he probably figures,' hey, this girl has forgiven me once, she'll probably do it again. Why not have a little fun while I'm at it?'.
So confronting him and then leaving him will be best for him? Thank you 🙂
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Depends on what you consider 'best'. I think it's best for YOU to confront and leave. I don't think there is a 'best' option for him. He'll likely give in to the temptation of cheating again, with or without you. You can't change someone unless they want to change, themselves. And, since you've already given him a second chance and he blew it, change does not seem to be on his horizons. I imagine it will take a lot of time and a series of events before he's fully straight again, in all aspects of his life. Until then, I would doubt his ability to hold a healthy relationship.
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If he's cheating but you want him to change secretly, how will you ever know if he does? Even if you try to keep track of him, there could be moments where you're unsure if he's cheated again. Confronting him isn't selfish. It's his responsibility to own up to his actions. If he knows you know, he will feel that he can't get away with it any longer. If you keep is secret, he could think 'well, she didn't find out the first time, so I'll continue doing this'. I've learned in the past that deterrence often doesn't work for crimes since the large amount of criminals don't get caught or punished. Due to that, they believe the benefits of committing crime outweigh the risk of getting caught/the consequences of getting caught. Similarly, if other behavior isn't caught, it will lead to further such behavior in the future. You can't expect him to have a change of heart, especially when the he likely isn't severely concerned about losing your relationship, since if he were, the risks and consequences would outweigh the benefits of cheating.

You've already taken him back despite him leaving - he knows you have a soft spot for him. So, he probably figures,' hey, this girl has forgiven me once, she'll probably do it again. Why not have a little fun while I'm at it?'.
So confronting him and then leaving him will be best for him? Thank you 🙂
Depends on what you consider 'best'. I think it's best for YOU to confront and leave. I don't think there is a 'best' option for him. He'll likely give in to the temptation of cheating again, with or without you. You can't change someone unless they want to change, themselves. And, since you've already given him a second chance and he blew it, change does not seem to be on his horizons. I imagine it will take a lot of time and a series of events before he's fully straight again, in all aspects of his life. Until then, I would doubt his ability to hold a healthy relationship.
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I have been trying to convince myself this but i doubt myself i guess, i needed someone to say it on my face. Thanks alot.
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Posted by dontgetmewrong
Cute - he is not your battle. Your battle is to stop making excuses for him and excuses for you to stay. Make up your mind to just leave, no explanation is needed. That's not love young Sagi, you will learn this as you grow.
You are right. Though I want to know now that if this isn't love then what is it, what else could be love than what i feel for him? I know making excuse for him is not love but I am not justifying or saying its right for him to cheat. I am not justifying myself by saying what i am doing is right, i dont know if its right and i want to know and like all of you are saying, its not right so i will have to give up. But i wont say he is bad, he is flawed for cheating but he has other good things about him that i love.
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Karma takes care of every one, good or bad.

No one changes because of others, people only change when they feel it deep inside of them that they need to.

Fuck the ego, you gonna let that be his excuse to cheat on you over and over? If so, make sure you don't sign the pre-nup so that one day when you get married and finally had enough of the cheating, you get half of everything.
I agree he wouldnt change for me or others. But he would change if he didnt know i knew right? My point is, if he knew that i knew then even if he wanted to change then he will feel like he is changing for me and that mighht be discouraging? he might think why change for her? but if he wants to change and think its safe to change now that no one knows, he will change easily then right? because then his ego wont interfere.
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No.

Safe to change NOW that no one knows?

That's where he thinks he is, already... how can you confirm

this to him?

It's like trying to prove a negative.

Self-respect dictates that you acknowledge the infidelity.

That doesn't mean you flip out and get angry... just that your position

remains the same: if he wants to be with you, then he is with you... only.

And when he's ready for that, to let you know.

If someone tried to improve themselves because they thought they were

not worthy of my fidelity (as you are doing), I would actually pity them.

And as a LEO, that is a sentiment I personally abhor.

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Posted by JustALeo
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Karma takes care of every one, good or bad.

No one changes because of others, people only change when they feel it deep inside of them that they need to.

Fuck the ego, you gonna let that be his excuse to cheat on you over and over? If so, make sure you don't sign the pre-nup so that one day when you get married and finally had enough of the cheating, you get half of everything.
I dont want karma on him, he just came out of a long relationship (7 years) was loyal to that girl. This year he found out the girl he recently had crush on was cheating on him aswell. He is going through stress from some moderate to severe health issues, some family problem and not even doing well with his studies. I am waiting for him to be done with his surgery and then i will leave him IF its the best thing to do.
Can't stop karma, it'll come and go as it pleases. And everyone has problems, I have a lot of problems going on for myself but I accept my karma and what I deserve. There's is no making excuses...I have plenty of stress and health problems, family problems HA! plenty of those too and studies...I put my studies on hold to serve my country and I go to school when my job is taken care of. You're making excuses for him, he will change only when he feels like he needs to.

He keeps going back to you because you are easy. If an immature guy wants his cake and eat it too, why wouldn't he? You are just a victim to him and he is using you.
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I guess he is not strong enough to deal with his problems and i am not strong enough to resist him. I hope he will be strong as you one day. 🙂 Thanks
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Posted by dontgetmewrong
Cute - I'm not even playing..kick that Leo ass, get your shit and leave. Fuck him to treat you that way, and play you for a fool. Still talking to that girl, amd you knowing about it but acting all strong. He is not your battle, the battle is you want to be strong for someone who isnt worth two shits. Get your stuff and leave. That is not love.
I get your point, I will leave him. Thanks. And I wasnt even planning to share my problem, i only wanted to defend us sagi girls on weed's thread. Now i am only waiting for RatedX to finish what he was saying 🙂 .
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Posted by JustALeo
Karma takes care of every one, good or bad.

No one changes because of others, people only change when they feel it deep inside of them that they need to.

Fuck the ego, you gonna let that be his excuse to cheat on you over and over? If so, make sure you don't sign the pre-nup so that one day when you get married and finally had enough of the cheating, you get half of everything.
I agree he wouldnt change for me or others. But he would change if he didnt know i knew right? My point is, if he knew that i knew then even if he wanted to change then he will feel like he is changing for me and that mighht be discouraging? he might think why change for her? but if he wants to change and think its safe to change now that no one knows, he will change easily then right? because then his ego wont interfere.
No.

Safe to change NOW that no one knows?

That's where he thinks he is, already... how can you confirm

this to him?

It's like trying to prove a negative.

Self-respect dictates that you acknowledge the infidelity.

That doesn't mean you flip out and get angry... just that your position

remains the same: if he wants to be with you, then he is with you... only.

And when he's ready for that, to let you know.

If someone tried to improve themselves because they thought they were

not worthy of my fidelity (as you are doing), I would actually pity them.

And as a LEO, that is a sentiment I personally abhor.

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Well naturally, i am better at changing myself when i know no one knows my flaws but i am stubborn when everyone critisizing and points it out to me. I would be like i know its my fault and i would have changed if you didnt demand it from me but since you did, now i wont! it's stupid i know, and when i can focus on my flaws alone, its easier to improve.

I am not giving excuse now btw 🙂 but this is why i thought he would work on himself as well if his flaws are private to him. I want him to focus on him flaws himself and
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Posted by dontgetmewrong
If I were you and I had enough will to not confront him, I'd just leave and leave his cowardly lion ass wondering why.
I feel he tried to tell me the truth a few time and he did a few times indirectly, so i guess he is not coward? 🙂 I know he doesnt want to hurt me, he is just not strong enough right now and too confused about his emotions and i am making things worse for him. I really should leave him and lower his burden.

Btw I really like you, you were my first face sagi on this site 🙂 and ssupes was my first fave leo, unfortunately he hates me. I wish he told me why, maybe my leo hates me like ssupes does aswell.
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Posted by Montgomery
I don't see how your reply applied to ANYTHING I said.

You just repeated yourself, as if I didn't understand what you

meant the first time.

I did.

You wrote on the first line: "Safe to change NOW that no one knows?"
So I replied to why i think its safe to change now that no one knows. I personally feel less egoistic when no one is critisizing and pointing out my flaws. I feel its safe to change when no one knows because no one will attack me with insults then and make me more and more egoistic and stubborn.

I am not saying i will insult him for cheating but it might make him egoistic and stubborn like i become when someone points out my flaw. He might become defensive and ignore that i am only trying to help and not attacking him or insulting in any way.

This is probably a very weak personality but its human i guess?
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Posted by dontgetmewrong
Cute - YOU are not his burden, he is yours. You are the one he is hurting here. Yes he is a coward. He has no control over anything, not even himself..amd you're giving him more power and feeding his ego even more. Please think about yourself and your own happiness. When you meet a man that is all about you, you will know and he will make that Leo look like a "pussy". .

I like you too, you're sweet and you are strong bc you can handle the realities and ugly flawed people in this world and somehow still see the good. Don't ever let anyone change that about you. Also, understand that being too sweet and understanding gives someone power over you who is undeserving of it. Learn and know the difference ok. Be more selective on who you love and allow to love you.
Ok, Thank you 🙂 I guess that will take me a few more years, hard to learn and keep making the same mistakes!
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I used to struggle with this, but I never sounded this delusional. As cliche as it sounds there WILL be someone's else. It's hard to believe that in the moment especially when you feel there is a great bond, but there will be. I think the word respect is going over your head. Think about that place within you were all of your secrets and vaunerabilies lie. It's a place where you either guard or over share to someone you love. I know this because if I love you I over share, but think of that place and think of someone going to that place and taking shit on it and saying I'm not taking a shit your delusional as they hauk a loogie for good measure! Don't you want that kind of love and passion or a man with an honor code? It takes great strength to be honest and honorable wouldn't you want someone like that not only protecting, but cherishing that place in your heart? Find someone to grow with because baby later on that plant is gonna die due resentment, suspicion, and shame might take a while to hit but it will and things will never be the same. Just remember that bond you thought was there wasn't good enough for him he went looking for something else so it doesn't matter what you feel he doesn't feel the same.
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Posted by ladylibra21
I used to struggle with this, but I never sounded this delusional. As cliche as it sounds there WILL be someone's else. It's hard to believe that in the moment especially when you feel there is a great bond, but there will be. I think the word respect is going over your head. Think about that place within you were all of your secrets and vaunerabilies lie. It's a place where you either guard or over share to someone you love. I know this because if I love you I over share, but think of that place and think of someone going to that place and taking shit on it and saying I'm not taking a shit your delusional as they hauk a loogie for good measure! Don't you want that kind of love and passion or a man with an honor code? It takes great strength to be honest and honorable wouldn't you want someone like that not only protecting, but cherishing that place in your heart? Find someone to grow with because baby later on that plant is gonna die due resentment, suspicion, and shame might take a while to hit but it will and things will never be the same. Just remember that bond you thought was there wasn't good enough for him he went looking for something else so it doesn't matter what you feel he doesn't feel the same.
I guess I am being too stubborn to accept that one way or the other, i am being delusional. Thank you. 🙂
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I appreciate all of you people for replying, everyone is flawed. Cheating is not the worst sin.
*shouts in a pantomime type voice*

**OH YES IT IS**!

Also the words change and man, do not go together


Wake up lady

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Well i do not agree with you, men and women can change. Even if cheating is the worst sin, they deserve to change and not be blamed.

My ex bf cheated on me aswell, it's something wrong with me that makes people cheat on me. But that ex of mine is in a serious relationship now and i am happy for him 🙂 So there is always hope.
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You can have feelings for someone..and have them from far away until they pass.

Feelings for someone =/= being in a relationship with someone =/= even wanting someone to be with you.

It's not either/or. Having feelings does not suspend reason. You can have feelings for someone but know that person is bad for you..so you don't engage them further.

As far as people changing...a small small percentage ever do. If we play the odds..no, people don't change.

I feel this is a troll topic but there's my .02
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Posted by Damnata
You can have feelings for someone..and have them from far away until they pass.

Feelings for someone =/= being in a relationship with someone =/= even wanting someone to be with you.

It's not either/or. Having feelings does not suspend reason. You can have feelings for someone but know that person is bad for you..so you don't engage them further.

As far as people changing...a small small percentage ever do. If we play the odds..no, people don't change.

I feel this is a troll topic but there's my .02
this is not a troll topic, i guess its something about me being a sag that makes me sound sarcastic always even if my feeling were suicidal i wouldnt be able to sound serious to you. I feel only "dontgetmewrong" being a sag, understood my words without doubt.
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Posted by dontgetmewrong

Fuck him to treat you that way, and play you for a fool.



What?


He's not treating her bad, according to her standards.

and he's not playing her for a fool


I don't really get why everyone is telling her similar things. Isn't it obvious that she likes where she stands?

If a person actually likes their life path ... then why would people attempt to change her?

Why are you guys trying to change her?
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She's got her perfect match .... she's an honorable douchebag with no dignity, and he treats her like a douchebag with no dignity.


I don't see what the problem is.


All of you all obviously want it to be a problem, so you're trying to force her into being a decent person with values.



I say .... keep everything the way it is ...... you obviously love being an idiot, and he obviously loves that you do ... win/win
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No I don't really like where I stand, my self respect and love does mean alot to me. It was him who didn't have self respect and love, I only tried to inspire that into him and the process cost me mine. It's probably our influence on each other, now he is the positive, self loving person that i was but i got caught up with the negative and non-self loving person that he was. Exchange of nature.

Once he became the positive person, i realized i sacrificed my respect on the way and thats why i posted before, "how i told him he doesnt respect me and when he came back, he changed that too and respects me and treats me well. "

Then as he became better in a way, i thought its time to help him forget his ex. Thats when i got to know he was cheating but i am sure he is trying to tell me that, like i posted before that he did try to say it indirectly a few times.

I know this sounds like i am giving excuses but you guys need to know facts about me and him before you judge. It's not like I am not trying to gain my self respect back and it's not like he is not trying to fix what he is doing wrong, we both are.

I dont know if you guys read all my post here but i mentioned i would leave him, but leaving him might send him crashing back down so i am just gonna wait for him to be done with the surgery.
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Posted by Damnata
You can have feelings for someone..and have them from far away until they pass.

Feelings for someone =/= being in a relationship with someone =/= even wanting someone to be with you.

It's not either/or. Having feelings does not suspend reason. You can have feelings for someone but know that person is bad for you..so you don't engage them further.

As far as people changing...a small small percentage ever do. If we play the odds..no, people don't change.

I feel this is a troll topic but there's my .02
Agreed!

I'm currently practicing this......AND succeeding!
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Why you wanna delete? Own it. Read it and learn from it
Thanks for replying ssupes 🙂 means alot. I wanna delete because to be honest i am mostly an introvert and i keep my feelings, problems and thoughts to myself. It feels uncomfortable to let these words stay here, its very rare that i express myself to this extent to anyone or anywhere.
Yeah I've been there and I understand how you feel about not sharing with anyone. What are you afraid of?
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I am not afraid of sharing, I love to be open when I am open but it's just you can't or it's not easy to be open when you have been so closed up and introverted most of your life. It's uncomfortable to share all of a sudden when you are not habitual of doing so.
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