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This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by bella_ragazza on Monday, November 25, 2002 and has 26 replies.

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

This is a very important thing for me to know:are Scorpios selfish?
I can bear with them being dominant and controling-sometimes-but I couldn't stand the idea of them being selfish!!!
So,are Scorps like that or ...?
Thank you for your honest answers.
Bella

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@phoenix_rising
21 Years5,000+ Posts

oooh, honestly, some can be. The ones that some refer to as "lower" or "unevolved" Scorpios can tend toward selfishness. BUT, I know quite a few who are generous, just not quite as generous as a Leo would be. I would guess that the reason why the sign has a tendency to be selfish has something to do with the fact that we're not too keen on relying on others because we have a deep seated fear that it's more likely they'll let us down than not, and so therefore, we tend to go about living our lives with "me" being the first priority. Not all of us, and not all the time, but some of us and the rest of us might come off as selfish in rare instances, but don't worry, we are capable of being generous. It's just that we are so self-reliant usually that we get used to thinking of things in terms of what "we" need and how it will affect "us" (Scorpios).

Hope that helped babe! 🙂

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

Indeed helped me to see things from a Scorp perspective.
In some cases I think it is even offensive the way they - some of them-are thinking ONLY about themselves.Especially when they act like this towards a generous person-feelings included.Being blunt and upfront with your own feelings is a proof of courage and generousity.And I expect the same in return.
From my point of view this means that those people are unreliable-and this is a very dangerous thing.The relationship is jeopardized in every moment by this insecurity.
And when it is obvious that someone needs a hand and it is in your power to offer that hand and you are not-well,that is more than selfishness for me-that is cruelty.
Anyway,Phoenix,you are a very generous person -I give you that!!!you take the time to help people to understand themslves or others-and that is a precious thing.
Thank you🙂
Bella

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

What do you need Bella?

Just ask and you will receive.

God never forsakes you. Turn to the Almighty and give him all you problems. He will answer you.

I have found that putting your faith and trust in men is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Bella, is this not the same man you have mentioned before? IMO, he sounds pretty consistent in the unreliable department.

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

I have so much I could offer you, but I have to get ready to go to work, I will try to give you some help when I can. I have had the paramedics at my house at 4 this morning and then the dog got loose and I had to chase him down and now it is time to go to work! Never ending. You want to talk about cruelty and selfishness? Come talk to me!

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

And this is about the health care system and the government in general. People without health insurance that need help should not have to suffer disrespect and humilation and suffer like they do!!! I am so pissed I could do like Denzel did in that movie.

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

LG,

It is a very personal matter, and I dont feel it appropriate to put it on public display. I wouldnt want it done to me.

Thank the Lord again!!! The matter is being taken care of, and there are alot of good people in this world who do care!!!

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

Bella,

I dont want to generalize about Scorpios because I have mostly love for them and have rarely met one I didnt like or admire or at the very least respect; but with that said, I have known a few that were selfish. When they are after something and pursuing something they want, the desire becomes almost insatiable but that is only when they are intrested. They go to extremes. It's all or nothing.

If the relationship is established and solid, I would never even worry about or question a Scorpios devotion. Why? Because if they have committed themselves to you they will be the most loyal person you have ever been with. Hard to get to know and gain their trust but loyalty is never an issue, not from my own experience. I think they are the most wonderful people of all the signs in the zodiac I cant think of anything not to like about them.

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

Suzy-Q,
Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm about Scorpios with me.
It is so true that they are hard to know-mine is even bragging about being so impenetrable and a mistery.
I really want to think that he is a great man,but from time to time my trust in him is shaken by the things he does ( or doesn't ) or say.And in those moments I question myself:what are your reasons for loving this man?I feel I am playing at the lottery-I could get the big pot and his heart,but in the same time it could be all something glitterd and shallow!He is so cold - he almost never let his guard down as if he were afraid of me!
He brought me a cuban cigarre as a present on Saturday-is that a symbolism to the Clinton-Lewisky affair?
Ciao,
Bella

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

If he starts to really like you in a blue coctail dress and his next gift is a set of knee pads, I would start to see a pattern, correlation, or symolbism going on!!!

Signed,

Squirt Squirt

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@phoenix_rising
21 Years5,000+ Posts

lol...Bella, thank you for your compliments ^^ up there in your earlier post to me. You are awesome! 🙂

Hmmm, about that Cuban cigar. With a scorpio (especially male), it very well could be symbolism, but I don't think so, unless he's been bringing up the topic of oral sex or Clinton or weird kinky sex with props lately. lol. No really, think about that for a minute; has he? Because then I would definitely say it's a message. But if not, I'd say he probably got you that for the quality of the gift, and also because he wants to watch you smoke it. Hehe. The whole cigar thing is totally phallic, so pretty much any way you look at it, there's a sexual undertone I think. lol 🙂

On a more serious note, I have seen that side of Scorp males myself--the cold, icy thing. But, rest assured--they are never, ever shallow or unfeeling--it's a ruse. It's a smokescreen that they usually create when their feelings are hurt, or they are protecting themselves, or they are angry about something. He's bragging about being mysterious? Oooh, that would annoy me. I think you should show him you're not interested in his mystery. It will frustrate him, but it will also kind of turn him on because his inclination will be to *make* you interested. Which involves a challenge, which all Scorps like from time to time. Don't let him see you trying to figure out his mystery, because that will only egg on the bragging more. Make him think you could do with or without it, and see what happens.

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

Phoenix,
These "How to use a Scorpio " instruction are really very practical and helpful.Thanx for letting me see beyond the smokescreen🙂
Last year I told him that I wanted to buy him a cigarre,because I like the people who smoke such kind of tobbacco.And I also told him that I liked Aristotel Onassis.Maybe he remembered that...
Unfortunatelly , I already told him - a couple of months ago-that I like the mistery around his person!I was in a mistery mood at that time-and he was very satisfied with that!
Still,he called me from his 3 weeks study programm at a big bussiness school!And I melted!Because I knew how hard it was to get a Scorpio to call !
I will take your advice and become indifferent about his heavy displays of mistery and enigma!Thing is all is moving so slow with him-he could endure months of such nerve-war!Where as me...
Well,I had that party on Saturday and it was marvelous!I've been so happy that I succeeded in gathering friends that haven't seen each other in a long time !and they were enchanted also to meet new people and to make new friends!
Cyall

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@phoenix_rising
21 Years5,000+ Posts

I'm glad the party rocked Bella! I know how much you were looking forward to that. It does sound like this Scorpio is very much into you...and now that you say that, I agree (about him remembering what you said about the cigar)...I think that's probably why he got it for you. He's showing you that he listens, and cares about your interests.

Good luck babe!

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

Bella,

Please share with me somethings.

Why do you love him so much, Bella?

What is it that captured your heart first; what is it that hold you hostage?

Has there been times when you wished you could escape its hold on you? or if you could do things over again, would you?

He seems to mean the world to you and the love you have for him comes throug in your words, but you also sound in pain that you have so much love for him, but kept at arms lenght!

Are you hopeful still or doubtful?

How would you like the story to go?

I hear that it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. But, I think sometimes it is better not to. If you have never loved, then you would not have to suffer so much. I still believe 'LOVE' is worth it and the price it may cost, because in this world there is NOTHING that compares.

Bella, I hope your dreams come true and last a lifetime!!!. I, too, am a woman in love with love!!!

Sincerely
SuzyQ 🙂

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

I am drawning in his eyes...

He seduced me little by little,altough from the two of us,I was upfront and pursuing;still I believe now that it was him who started the whole game ,he just let me pick up the signals he was sending...Oh,he is good at playing with the mind!

He established a communication way via meaningful and subtle gaze...and I was conquered!he insinuated himself into my soul...
.. sensitive,soft yet strong,delicate yet tough,tender yet a bit rough,smells like man...that's how he is!and the way he kisses...
"Ich f?hle mich verhext und in Gefangenschaft..."-there's a german Toten Hosen punk tune that means-"I feel bewitched and inprisoned..." ,well,it describes perfectly the state I am in!
And I have told him just the other week that I fell in love with him and that I was hoping not to feel sorry about saying that the next day!
Well,maybe now you have a better picture...
Bella

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@phoenix_rising
21 Years5,000+ Posts

Woohooo...that was beautifully put, Bella!

Have you ever told him that? I bet he would love to hear it...you should write him a letter and tell him all of that. We like letter (well, most of us do) because we usually save things like that forever, and we like that the person took the time to write to us.

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21 Years5,000+ Posts

BTW, my ancestors were German, but the only thing I can say is (forgive the spelling, I have no idea how to spell this) "ya, ich sprechen ein bischen deutch". "Yes, I speak a little German". LOL, so thank you for teaching me more words! 🙂

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

Bella,

Wow! If he hasnt already fallen for you, I am sure he will after reading this!!!
You are too wonderful for words.
I wish I could write more, I will when I get in tonight!
Suzy

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@Suzy-Q!
21 Years500+ Posts

Ok, Bella, it is plain to see now. I loved your message. Are you sure you're not a Scorpio? LOL Who could deny you anything? You're perfect. The way you describe his smell is like a 'man'-- earthy! You are a women after my own heart! He may be in serious trouble if he ever lets you catch him! lol But is he there for you enough and what about your happiness. You dont sound satisfied or happy. How long are you willing to wait? Sometimes its hard to put your life on hold for someone, especially if you dont know what the outcome will even be. Are you sure you want him? This is an emergency; feelings are in the third degree, and you got be sure! He may leave when you get into him deep! What about that? It could mess up your mind. I would find out for sure what he is trying to do?
SuzyQ

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

Hey,Suzy!🙂
He is terrified of letting me pass his protective-shell-that's how I translate his behaviour.I don't know wether he loves me and all I can do about it is trying to decode the subtle and subliminal messages he is airing.
-or maybe he is incapable of loving someone else besides his own person.
How can you tell when a Scorpio is in love?
Bella

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@phoenix_rising
21 Years5,000+ Posts

Hi Aprilbaby and Bella 🙂

Well, about the phallic symbolism, I'm just going on what I've heard before, that anything a guy gives to you that's remotely shaped like...well, boy parts (LOL), is a sexual message, whether he consciously knows that or not. That may or may not be backed up by psychologists, but I've heard that many times.

Bella, every scorp is different, but when I am in love, I think about the other person constantly, lose my appetite, dream about them, and put them on a pedestal (not good, I know, but I do it). I smile always when talking to them, and I find everything they say to be interesting...I also look them in the eye the entire time they're talking.

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

This is how love should be...the way you are describing your metamorphosis🙂
Other's person thinking is not very accesible-especially when dealing with a Scorp🙂,so I have no idea wether he thinks about me.I know I do that.A lot.Still,he told me -in a confession voice-that he dreamt me three times when he was away on his bussines course.Is that something?
May the Force be with you🙂
Bella

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@bella_ragazza
21 Years

What do you think: does Madonna's song " FROZEN " apply for Scorps?
I'll have on 26th 1st year anniversary with Mr Frozen 🙂))but I don't think he will remember...

Bella