INsanITY

Hey; what is it? Crazy I mean? How can we determine who is ill or who is well? We all to some degree possess some personality problems, thanx to heredity, and geneaology, but when does one know for a fact that they are ill, or insane? This has been agonizing me for a time, and I'd like to hear what you all have to say; honesty appreciated.

Have you ever found yourself not having the ability to understand, not having the mental capacity required to deal with someone?

Haven't we all been on both sides of this? So, are you sane, or insane?

If you come across someone who you can't handle or understand, are they the crazy one because you can't relate to them, or, is it you, because your mind is the one that can't process the other person correctly?

Is it possible to be sane and insane at the same time?

Does one actually cause the other to exist within you . . you feel sane because you do understand from your perspective, but, that's not how it was intended, that makes you have the mental inability to appraise one's actions properly.

What if a person was abused and voilated so bad that the mind shielded the person from the truth, in an attempt for the mind to protect itself, leaving the person to find happiness inside a fantasy? While in the fantasy, the person feels safe, real, alive . . if they come back to reality, they find theirselves in an environment they cannot endure, there's no coping.

Inside their altered brain . . the person finds sanity and safety.
Outside, in our percieved reality . . the person feels crazy, out of control.

Which is sanity?

You've just described something personal....I'll remain objective; so you are saying that sanity is just that? Subjective, and based on the point-of-view. Then how can one tolerate their surroundings? How do they 'deal'? Is there a way out of this nightmare/dream? How do they find a way to attain a working mental attitude to exist in this reality, and ensure their quality of life is preserved/protected?

Is it possible for us to cause our own insanity, though, still remaining mentally sound?

Example: After some time in a relationship, we find we don't want to be with that person, we start to not understand them any longer, we no longer can relate to them when they are talking . . we end the relationship.

If insanity means we don't have the mental capacity to understand another . . is it possible that every time, we think we are protecting ourselves from dealing with somebody, we are actually becoming mad, because we are programming ourselves NOT to have understanding of something that we once thought was rational?

"so you are saying that sanity is just that? Subjective, and based on the point-of-view."

Absolutely, I do. Not one person can determine who is actually sane and who isn't, for all of us percieve reality differently.

They say that Einstien was mad.

Are we sure of that? Insanity means the incapability of comprehending another.

Was he mad?

Or, was he just so fucking smart that our brains would go insane if we were able to comprehend him?

If we were the ones lacking the mental capacity to comprehend him, then, who was really mad?

If one feels as if they've been driven to the brink of sanity, and emotion, what then? they've shutdown parts of my feelings becuase they have a way of 'haunting' you; they try to remain detatched becuase the pain is overflowing, and if it starts, it won't stop; Made to feel as insignificant, and peonic as a fly....so one defends the self with narcissism, in response to ineffective parenting; so they haven't learned to maintain a funtioning relationship out of fear that if they touch another, the other will respond.... and so, one is stuck....how can one be judged as insane, or ill, if those who judge the person don't live through the person?

If one feels as if they've been driven to the brink of sanity, and emotion, what then? they've shutdown parts of their feelings becuase they have a way of 'haunting' you, and survival is the name of the game; they try to remain detatched becuase the pain is overflowing, and if it starts, it won't stop; Made to feel as insignificant, and peonic as a fly....so one defends the self with narcissism, and isolation in response to ineffective parenting; so they haven't learned to maintain a funtioning relationship out of fear that if they touch another, the other will respond.... and so, one is stuck....how can one be judged as insane, or ill, if those who judge the person don't live through the person?

"how can one be judged as insane, or ill, if those who judge the person don't live through the person?"

Exactly .. since we all have different realities .. how can one determine sanity of another?

I think about this topic ALL THE TIME .. can you tell? 😛

Well in theory the only thing of Einstein that was insane was his libral outlook in a conservative time period, as most scientists should be; that and the fact that his brain chemistry was physiologically 'different' for lack of a better term.

Makes you wonder P; If we could comprehend the reality of insanity, what then? Would it transform our sense of self perception, and warp us into 'non-funtioning people'? Or would we come something more...

lol No actually I'm as Oblivious as ever.

"If we could comprehend the reality of insanity, what then? Would it transform our sense of self perception, and warp us into 'non-funtioning people'? Or would we come something more..."

Becoming something more? Maybe it's evolution, such as:

What if every person sitting in the psyche ward who's having delusions have actually evolved to a level where they're able to see the truth, while the rest of us are REALLY the ones living in fantasy? Who's really mad, then? Do we know that their delusions aren't real? Or, do we just think we know this because we are the ones insane because we are still living on this lower mental existance?

From my perspective .. there's no way to determine sanity from insanity.

Living inside the mind of a Pisces, VE .. I have altered realities every second of everyday of my life.

I've been over this and over this and over this .. to me, because realities differ with everybody .. so does thier sanity.

Exactly; a MAJOR ing twist in experience.....but as you've stated before, 'reality is different for all of us' we cannot judge; no way...it's like the terms 'good' and 'bad'.....they are partial terms that one uses to describe one you've not understood, or one you side with. I digress; my point is this; delusions are real to the one experiencing them....likened to a self-fulfilling prophesy; so much of life as I have learned is based on the will, and the perception of the human mind; the mind may 'crumble' under circumstnces, but what if this crumbling is necessary in vital human evolution....what if these 'pych wards' are storing houses for ones who under went this change, but their minds were 'extremely damaged' upon uncover mental ascendance into the next stage of human evolution.....I'm getting chills.....

what if the terms 'sanity' and 'insanity' are becoming politically incorrect? I'm thrown into varried visions myself......but yours; could you describe these altered realites?

I've tried .. daily, I post on the Pisces board, trying to describe the mind of the fish, to no avail .. the only people who can comprehend are other Pisces.

VE, here's something to keep with you, to make you feel better .. if you have the awareness to ponder your sanity .. then your NOT lost .. when a person is lost, they aren't aware of it. No matter what your parents, or anybody else in this world tells you .. if you know who you are, and you are aware of yourself and you're actions .. you are within your own sanity.

But the very idea of the self is so much in Flux....How can one ever gain a sense of self and be secure in this 'persona' and arive at their own sanity? Who I am molts, and sheds, and peels away, the changes are so intense that I don't know who I am from one moment to the next....I understand Scorps are this way....The constant molting, and sheding, and layering of their selves....I just don't know how to get a ing grip ya know? The abandoment of myself, and the acceptance the up, and down thinking is driving me up a wall.....I want to arive at a state of 'personality cohesion'.