Cold Virgo Venus (Page 2)

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by Lostthoughts
If financial burden of dating is a issue...change the kind of dates to better reflect your finances OR activities that you are genuinely interested in so it doesn't matter.

The purpose of going out with someone is for entertainment and getting to know them.

It was just a general statement regarding the burden being placed on the man, and then the woman dips when she feels like it. We can throw divorce in this situation too. She can take it all if she wants.


Yes, the purpose of dating is to get to know someone. BUT, not in an interview setting. Nobody needs to "qualify" just to develop romantic interests. Attraction is not a choice, and I don't need to ask you a million questions to figure out if I like you. What determines relationship compatibility is values and attraction. If the person doesn't value or have integrity, you'll never be able to have a healthy relationship with them. Get my point?


Her questions the past 3 weeks were very thorough and formal. It sounds good on paper, but this creates a misresable experience for the other person regardless of their sign.


With her schedule and living situation, she has no business trying to date if we're getting technical. I do appreciate her squeezing me into her rigid schedule. But she mentioned her family constantly criticizes her because she is still by herself, no kids and she is non-traditional.


I wish her the best though and I hope she actually learns to enjoy herself on a date and not create unnecessary pressure for herself or others.


That damn Virgo Venus.

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This whole statement is super critical of her.

You guys just weren't compatible.

Everything that happens in phone calls and on dates is what makes a person realize if they are compatible and is the process of getting to know them. There is no one size fits all to dating.

You won't be so bothered by a person if they were the right one, questions included. Questions would probably excite you, if she was interesting to you.

If she didn't ask you questions, how would she find out what type of person you were? Just watch, wait, and see?

You guys seem to have similar charts, IMO.

Maybe that's why it wasn't a good fit.

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by Lostthoughts
If financial burden of dating is a issue...change the kind of dates to better reflect your finances OR activities that you are genuinely interested in so it doesn't matter.

The purpose of going out with someone is for entertainment and getting to know them.

It was just a general statement regarding the burden being placed on the man, and then the woman dips when she feels like it. We can throw divorce in this situation too. She can take it all if she wants.

Yes, the purpose of dating is to get to know someone. BUT, not in an interview setting. Nobody needs to "qualify" just to develop romantic interests. Attraction is not a choice, and I don't need to ask you a million questions to figure out if I like you. What determines relationship compatibility is values and attraction. If the person doesn't value or have integrity, you'll never be able to have a healthy relationship with them. Get my point?

Her questions the past 3 weeks were very thorough and formal. It sounds good on paper, but this creates a misresable experience for the other person regardless of their sign.

With her schedule and living situation, she has no business trying to date if we're getting technical. I do appreciate her squeezing me into her rigid schedule. But she mentioned her family constantly criticizes her because she is still by herself, no kids and she is non-traditional.

I wish her the best though and I hope she actually learns to enjoy herself on a date and not create unnecessary pressure for herself or others.

That damn Virgo Venus.
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This whole statement is super critical of her.


You guys just weren't compatible.


Everything that happens in phone calls and on dates is what makes a person realize if they are compatible and is the process of getting to know them. There is no one size fits all to dating.


You won't be so bothered by a person if they were the right one, questions included. Questions would probably excite you, if she was interesting to you.

If she didn't ask you questions, how would she find out what type of person you were? Just watch, wait, and see?


You guys seem to have similar charts, IMO.

Maybe that's why it wasn't a good fit.

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ahh, questions are fine. However, she just had a serious vibe and formal approach.

The first date, before we even recieved our wine, she asked me had I been to therapy. I have not, and I have nothing against people who go. She went into this spill about how men refuse to open up and sort of facilitated a vibe that because I'm a male, I have unresolved trauma.

I told her that's not the case and we've all experienced things that have stressed us out etc. I'm pretty open with anything going on so that was a bit of a leap to make when just meeting.

Thats fine we weren't compatible. It's not the end of the world. The statement I made was critical, but its honest. Her time is very scarce, and she lives with her parents who were said to be strict. (She's wants to purchase a home).

This is tough for dating and now we rely on communication over the phone compared to seeing each other. I didn't mind as i'm dating others and we're still getting to know each other.

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Posted by saggurl88

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by Lostthoughts
If financial burden of dating is a issue...change the kind of dates to better reflect your finances OR activities that you are genuinely interested in so it doesn't matter.

The purpose of going out with someone is for entertainment and getting to know them.

It was just a general statement regarding the burden being placed on the man, and then the woman dips when she feels like it. We can throw divorce in this situation too. She can take it all if she wants.

Yes, the purpose of dating is to get to know someone. BUT, not in an interview setting. Nobody needs to "qualify" just to develop romantic interests. Attraction is not a choice, and I don't need to ask you a million questions to figure out if I like you. What determines relationship compatibility is values and attraction. If the person doesn't value or have integrity, you'll never be able to have a healthy relationship with them. Get my point?

Her questions the past 3 weeks were very thorough and formal. It sounds good on paper, but this creates a misresable experience for the other person regardless of their sign.

With her schedule and living situation, she has no business trying to date if we're getting technical. I do appreciate her squeezing me into her rigid schedule. But she mentioned her family constantly criticizes her because she is still by herself, no kids and she is non-traditional.

I wish her the best though and I hope she actually learns to enjoy herself on a date and not create unnecessary pressure for herself or others.

That damn Virgo Venus.
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This whole statement is super critical of her.

You guys just weren't compatible.

Everything that happens in phone calls and on dates is what makes a person realize if they are compatible and is the process of getting to know them. There is no one size fits all to dating.

You won't be so bothered by a person if they were the right one, questions included. Questions would probably excite you, if she was interesting to you.

If she didn't ask you questions, how would she find out what type of person you were? Just watch, wait, and see?

You guys seem to have similar charts, IMO.

Maybe that's why it wasn't a good fit.
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ahh, questions are fine. However, she just had a serious vibe and formal approach.


The first date, before we even recieved our wine, she asked me had I been to therapy. I have not, and I have nothing against people who go. She went into this spill about how men refuse to open up and sort of facilitated a vibe that because I'm a male, I have unresolved trauma.


I told her that's not the case and we've all experienced things that have stressed us out etc. I'm pretty open with anything going on so that was a bit of a leap to make when just meeting.


Thats fine we weren't compatible. It's not the end of the world. The statement I made was critical, but its honest. Her time is very scarce, and she lives with her parents who were said to be strict. (She's wants to purchase a home).


This is tough for dating and now we rely on communication over the phone compared to seeing each other.

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EEEK!!! This is a red flag, IMO.

I really wish women would not bring their baggage to a date.

Talking about previous traumas with a man is something for therapy, not to burden a man you're trying to get to know.

Women should keep dates upbeat and not go into too much details of other men's bad behaviors.

There's nothing that ruins dates faster then bringing up another man on the first couple of dates, I don't care what context it's in.

All people are different and it's not the other parties responsibility to make you feel secure about how you've been treated in the past, in the first few meet ups. Save the trauma for when things start getting deep.

Again, you saved yourself the headache.

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Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by Lostthoughts
If financial burden of dating is a issue...change the kind of dates to better reflect your finances OR activities that you are genuinely interested in so it doesn't matter.

The purpose of going out with someone is for entertainment and getting to know them.

It was just a general statement regarding the burden being placed on the man, and then the woman dips when she feels like it. We can throw divorce in this situation too. She can take it all if she wants.

Yes, the purpose of dating is to get to know someone. BUT, not in an interview setting. Nobody needs to "qualify" just to develop romantic interests. Attraction is not a choice, and I don't need to ask you a million questions to figure out if I like you. What determines relationship compatibility is values and attraction. If the person doesn't value or have integrity, you'll never be able to have a healthy relationship with them. Get my point?

Her questions the past 3 weeks were very thorough and formal. It sounds good on paper, but this creates a misresable experience for the other person regardless of their sign.

With her schedule and living situation, she has no business trying to date if we're getting technical. I do appreciate her squeezing me into her rigid schedule. But she mentioned her family constantly criticizes her because she is still by herself, no kids and she is non-traditional.

I wish her the best though and I hope she actually learns to enjoy herself on a date and not create unnecessary pressure for herself or others.

That damn Virgo Venus.
click to expand

This whole statement is super critical of her.

You guys just weren't compatible.

Everything that happens in phone calls and on dates is what makes a person realize if they are compatible and is the process of getting to know them. There is no one size fits all to dating.

You won't be so bothered by a person if they were the right one, questions included. Questions would probably excite you, if she was interesting to you.

If she didn't ask you questions, how would she find out what type of person you were? Just watch, wait, and see?

You guys seem to have similar charts, IMO.

Maybe that's why it wasn't a good fit.
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ahh, questions are fine. However, she just had a serious vibe and formal approach.

The first date, before we even recieved our wine, she asked me had I been to therapy. I have not, and I have nothing against people who go. She went into this spill about how men refuse to open up and sort of facilitated a vibe that because I'm a male, I have unresolved trauma.

I told her that's not the case and we've all experienced things that have stressed us out etc. I'm pretty open with anything going on so that was a bit of a leap to make when just meeting.

Thats fine we weren't compatible. It's not the end of the world. The statement I made was critical, but its honest. Her time is very scarce, and she lives with her parents who were said to be strict. (She's wants to purchase a home).

This is tough for dating and now we rely on communication over the phone compared to seeing each other.
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EEEK!!! This is a red flag, IMO.


I really wish women would not bring their baggage to a date.

Talking about previous traumas with a man is something for therapy, not to burden a man you're trying to get to know.

Women should keep dates upbeat and not go into too much details of other men's bad behaviors.

There's nothing that ruins dates faster then bringing up another man on the first couple of dates, I don't care what context it's in.


All people are different and it's not the other parties responsibility to make you feel secure about how you've been treated in the past, in the first few meet ups. Save the trauma for when things start getting deep.


Again, you saved yourself the headache.

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I agree, but she has her own podcast so I figured she carried over her discussions from that. I don't mind discussing it, it was just way to soon to go into that level of detail about personal experiences.

Either she's a fixer or she was seeking to find an issue. Because it was kind of a random topic.

Posted by 1917191
What made her end it was she noticed something about you that wouldn't make you two compatible for the long term.


While I'm not the biggest fan of my Venus in Virgo placement, I think majority of the details are fluff:

If I go on a date with someone, I will be sure to pay my share. I don't want to owe the person anything if we don't work out. Even in my long term relationships, if I break up, the other party keeps everything and I move out. Because I want to leave and have peace, not money. I do not believe in spending money I didn't earn.

Interrogation too, I have been interrogated by most people I date. I answer, but I don't often ask the same question back because I find it intrusive and nosy.


>> I do make sure to keep a polite distance and take time to thaw. I don't want to lead anyone on with false hope. Many people that have dated me are unsure how I feel in the beginning, but honestly I don't know how I feel either. If I notice something that could cause major issues in the long term and I know the person won't change, I will end the relationship to stop wasting everyone's time - and hope the person finds someone else better suited for them.

I personally just don't do well with people who leap to a negative conclusion without all the information or even asking. (social media issue/therapy questions)

I have dated quite a bit and I can assure you regardless of sign, if a person truly likes you and is in a healthy emotional state, they will ask and at the very least chat about it.

She did neither, but it is what it is.

"hey, I wanted to add you on social media.. do you have an IG or Facebook?"

See how I uncomplicated that? Not leading with a negative mindset or upset because I can't find a person. Nor thinking that they should have already given me this information when it wasn't requested.

"She drove down from Orlando"

"The waiter brings the bill and it's sitting on the table for 10 mins or so"

"She offers to pay for her half, and I tell her she can cash app me"

I have a Virgo Venus after I read 'I tell her she cash app me,' I checked out from the rest of the story. So I can only imagine she did the same but just waited until the next day to let you know to be polite.

How old are you by the way??

Posted by virgal_perfectionist
"She drove down from Orlando"


"The waiter brings the bill and it's sitting on the table for 10 mins or so"


"She offers to pay for her half, and I tell her she can cash app me"


I have a Virgo Venus after I read 'I tell her she cash app me,' I checked out from the rest of the story. So I can only imagine she did the same but just waited until the next day to let you know to be polite.


How old are you by the way??

*sighhh go read the previous discussions. We’ve addressed this already.

Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.

I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.

It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.

Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Most first or second dates go nowhere. It could have been anything, really, including your poor axe-throwing skills🤣 Or a traffic jam on the way home 🤷🏻‍♂️You didn’t seem thrilled about her either, and this too could have been a reason…which has more to do with her dating standards than her ego, btw

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Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

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Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?

Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

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Posted by Aymillion

Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?

Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

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Jeez.. this was almost a year ago, no idea why this thread was raised from the dead lol.

But anyway, in hindsight she was defensive from the beginning. She didn't socialize a ton so her friend had her get on a dating app, which is where we met.

I mentioned previously she ran a podcast with an emphasis on men's behavior and psychology. It seemed as if it was just women sharing negative experiences with men. That's why basically her opening line was asking if I had been to therapy a couple minutes after we got our wine. She's took the pessimistic route that all men have issues.

Now, we fast forward to where she asked me about my social media and I told her the truth, I barely use it. I never said I wouldn't add her but that could've sent off a trigger that i'm hiding something, considering how active she is. (She was frustrated because she couldn't find me when she could've just asked.)

There wasn't actual issue paying, the situation was that we went axe throwing and it was only an hour. She drove 1.5 hours and I didn't want to immediately invite her over considering she was fairly conservative, so I suggested a local bar down the street.

After eating the food, she asked about my cash app and I said she could sent it later. No need to have an awkward delay and then that was it. The bill was sitting there because we were still chatting... I wasn't waiting on her lol. Notice how critical the other Virgos are above.

No hard feelings towards her. Virgo in Venus is very critical and matter of fact behavior. I dated a Libra with a Virgo Venus about 4 months ago and she exhibited the similar behavior as Aymillion described. "That's YOUR job."

Libra paid twice after 3 months of dating. Actively, mind you. We seen each other 1-2 times a week and frequently went out.

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by aquarius09

Posted by Aymillion

Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?



Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

Jeez.. this was almost a year ago, no idea why this thread was raised from the dead lol.

But anyway, in hindsight she was defensive from the beginning. She didn't socialize a ton so her friend had her get on a dating app, which is where we met.

I mentioned previously she ran a podcast with an emphasis on men's behavior and psychology. It seemed as if it was just women sharing negative experiences with men. That's why basically her opening line was asking if I had been to therapy a couple minutes after we got our wine. She's took the pessimistic route that all men have issues.

Now, we fast forward to where she asked me about my social media and I told her the truth, I barely use it. I never said I wouldn't add her but that could've sent off a trigger that i'm hiding something, considering how active she is. (She was frustrated because she couldn't find me when she could've just asked.)

There wasn't actual issue paying, the situation was that we went axe throwing and it was only an hour. She drove 1.5 hours and I didn't want to immediately invite her over considering she was fairly conservative, so I suggested a local bar down the street.

After eating the food, she asked about my cash app and I said she could sent it later. No need to have an awkward delay and then that was it. The bill was sitting there because we were still chatting... I wasn't waiting on her lol. Notice how critical the other Virgos are above.

No hard feelings towards her. Virgo in Venus is very critical and matter of fact behavior. I dated a Libra with a Virgo Venus about 4 months ago and she exhibited the similar behavior as Aymillion described. "That's YOUR job."

Libra paid twice after 3 months of dating. Actively, mind you. We seen each other 1-2 times a week and frequently went out.

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I know this is an old thread but it annoys me when women don’t want to pay their share but then also get upset that the men expected sex or physical intimacy. Similarly, I have an issue with when men expect sex or anything physical because they paid for the date. I rather men be honest with themselves and acknowledge that if they are paying then it’s because they want something physical in return. If you’re paying altruistically and have no expectation in return, then I’m all for that. However, most people do things with an ulterior motive and I can’t fault them for it. I mean why would a man pay for someone if he wasn’t expecting something.

I just keep it very clear and real for all parties involved that I’m paying for myself because I don’t want there to be an uncommunicated or ulterior expectations that if he’s paying for me so now I owe him physical intimacy. Usually men walk away butthurt when they get nothing. If a woman pays her share, then the dude is stripped off any ounce of entitlement he feels to sex or physical intimacy.

Posted by aquarius09

Posted by LuckyLibra7

Posted by aquarius09

Posted by Aymillion

Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?


Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

Jeez.. this was almost a year ago, no idea why this thread was raised from the dead lol.

But anyway, in hindsight she was defensive from the beginning. She didn't socialize a ton so her friend had her get on a dating app, which is where we met.

I mentioned previously she ran a podcast with an emphasis on men's behavior and psychology. It seemed as if it was just women sharing negative experiences with men. That's why basically her opening line was asking if I had been to therapy a couple minutes after we got our wine. She's took the pessimistic route that all men have issues.

Now, we fast forward to where she asked me about my social media and I told her the truth, I barely use it. I never said I wouldn't add her but that could've sent off a trigger that i'm hiding something, considering how active she is. (She was frustrated because she couldn't find me when she could've just asked.)

There wasn't actual issue paying, the situation was that we went axe throwing and it was only an hour. She drove 1.5 hours and I didn't want to immediately invite her over considering she was fairly conservative, so I suggested a local bar down the street.

After eating the food, she asked about my cash app and I said she could sent it later. No need to have an awkward delay and then that was it. The bill was sitting there because we were still chatting... I wasn't waiting on her lol. Notice how critical the other Virgos are above.

No hard feelings towards her. Virgo in Venus is very critical and matter of fact behavior. I dated a Libra with a Virgo Venus about 4 months ago and she exhibited the similar behavior as Aymillion described. "That's YOUR job."

Libra paid twice after 3 months of dating. Actively, mind you. We seen each other 1-2 times a week and frequently went out.
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I know this is an old thread but it annoys me when women don’t want to pay their share but then also get upset that the men expected sex or physical intimacy. Similarly, I have an issue with when men expect sex or anything physical because they paid for the date. I rather men be honest with themselves and acknowledge that if they are paying then it’s because they want something physical in return. If you’re paying altruistically and have no expectation in return, then I’m all for that. However, most people do things with an ulterior motive and I can’t fault them for it. I mean why would a man pay for someone if he wasn’t expecting something.

I just keep it very clear and real for all parties involved that I’m paying for myself because I don’t want there to be an uncommunicated or ulterior expectations that if he’s paying for me so now I owe him physical intimacy. Usually men walk away butthurt when they get nothing. If a woman pays her share, then the dude is stripped off any ounce of entitlement he feels to sex or physical intimacy.

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Agree

I’d much rather pay for myself

Not that I ever go on dates 😄

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Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?


Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

Jeez.. this was almost a year ago, no idea why this thread was raised from the dead lol.

But anyway, in hindsight she was defensive from the beginning. She didn't socialize a ton so her friend had her get on a dating app, which is where we met.

I mentioned previously she ran a podcast with an emphasis on men's behavior and psychology. It seemed as if it was just women sharing negative experiences with men. That's why basically her opening line was asking if I had been to therapy a couple minutes after we got our wine. She's took the pessimistic route that all men have issues.

Now, we fast forward to where she asked me about my social media and I told her the truth, I barely use it. I never said I wouldn't add her but that could've sent off a trigger that i'm hiding something, considering how active she is. (She was frustrated because she couldn't find me when she could've just asked.)

There wasn't actual issue paying, the situation was that we went axe throwing and it was only an hour. She drove 1.5 hours and I didn't want to immediately invite her over considering she was fairly conservative, so I suggested a local bar down the street.

After eating the food, she asked about my cash app and I said she could sent it later. No need to have an awkward delay and then that was it. The bill was sitting there because we were still chatting... I wasn't waiting on her lol. Notice how critical the other Virgos are above.

No hard feelings towards her. Virgo in Venus is very critical and matter of fact behavior. I dated a Libra with a Virgo Venus about 4 months ago and she exhibited the similar behavior as Aymillion described. "That's YOUR job."

Libra paid twice after 3 months of dating. Actively, mind you. We seen each other 1-2 times a week and frequently went out.
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I know this is an old thread but it annoys me when women don’t want to pay their share but then also get upset that the men expected sex or physical intimacy. Similarly, I have an issue with when men expect sex or anything physical because they paid for the date. I rather men be honest with themselves and acknowledge that if they are paying then it’s because they want something physical in return. If you’re paying altruistically and have no expectation in return, then I’m all for that. However, most people do things with an ulterior motive and I can’t fault them for it. I mean why would a man pay for someone if he wasn’t expecting something.

I just keep it very clear and real for all parties involved that I’m paying for myself because I don’t want there to be an uncommunicated or ulterior expectations that if he’s paying for me so now I owe him physical intimacy. Usually men walk away butthurt when they get nothing. If a woman pays her share, then the dude is stripped off any ounce of entitlement he feels to sex or physical intimacy.

Agree
I’d much rather pay for myself
Not that I ever go on dates 😄

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Precisely because you went on a date for your own benefit of getting to know someone and they cannot expect anything physical from you. No free lunches in this world unless it’s your parents. 😆

I find Virgo moon people very closed down emotionally but don’t have too much experience with Virgo Venus … I’d imagine they’re quite cautious in love ?

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Posted by Aymillion

Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

I don’t blame her for dumping you if this is a male and female date and you’re the male you should be paying every single time. I don’t care about all that new age “everybody’s equal and the exact same person” BS. Or fad. She’s the prize not you. You better earn it or show that you can. What else are you doing besides j acking off everyday and going to work. To a real woman if a man’s not showing his worth, you have none. The fact that who paid or pays is a huge issue to you “shows your character” and that’s all she needed to read. Or see. Real women are attracted to real men. That’s something I would argue with my girlfriends with lol not a man I’m looking to support a family with

Now this is what an entitled woman sounds like. Women like you irk me with your double standards, which are sooo outdated. Men paid before because women didn’t work so it logically followed that they did. That one sided financial means also made women cater a lot more for men back then which doesn’t happen when a woman is financially independent. Women are working and dates/first couple meetings are mutually beneficial. Why should the guy be paying? Because the woman is doing him a favour by meeting and assessing him as a dating prospect? Going by your weird logic, then men are okay to expect sex or kiss at the end of the date if they paid. Why is a random stranger paying for your drink or food? He’s not your family so why? Do you pay for strangers as a woman?


Take your own bill or don’t date. Alternatively, if you really want the guy to pay, then decide the play and pick the cheapest thing like Starbuckss for first couple dates. This Virgo chick has the right to reject for whatever reason but if it’s because of him expecting her to pay her share, then I’m glad the Op dodged a bullet with this entitled so called modern day woman with her outdated expectations.

Jeez.. this was almost a year ago, no idea why this thread was raised from the dead lol.

But anyway, in hindsight she was defensive from the beginning. She didn't socialize a ton so her friend had her get on a dating app, which is where we met.

I mentioned previously she ran a podcast with an emphasis on men's behavior and psychology. It seemed as if it was just women sharing negative experiences with men. That's why basically her opening line was asking if I had been to therapy a couple minutes after we got our wine. She's took the pessimistic route that all men have issues.

Now, we fast forward to where she asked me about my social media and I told her the truth, I barely use it. I never said I wouldn't add her but that could've sent off a trigger that i'm hiding something, considering how active she is. (She was frustrated because she couldn't find me when she could've just asked.)

There wasn't actual issue paying, the situation was that we went axe throwing and it was only an hour. She drove 1.5 hours and I didn't want to immediately invite her over considering she was fairly conservative, so I suggested a local bar down the street.

After eating the food, she asked about my cash app and I said she could sent it later. No need to have an awkward delay and then that was it. The bill was sitting there because we were still chatting... I wasn't waiting on her lol. Notice how critical the other Virgos are above.

No hard feelings towards her. Virgo in Venus is very critical and matter of fact behavior. I dated a Libra with a Virgo Venus about 4 months ago and she exhibited the similar behavior as Aymillion described. "That's YOUR job."

Libra paid twice after 3 months of dating. Actively, mind you. We seen each other 1-2 times a week and frequently went out.
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I know this is an old thread but it annoys me when women don’t want to pay their share but then also get upset that the men expected sex or physical intimacy. Similarly, I have an issue with when men expect sex or anything physical because they paid for the date. I rather men be honest with themselves and acknowledge that if they are paying then it’s because they want something physical in return. If you’re paying altruistically and have no expectation in return, then I’m all for that. However, most people do things with an ulterior motive and I can’t fault them for it. I mean why would a man pay for someone if he wasn’t expecting something.

I just keep it very clear and real for all parties involved that I’m paying for myself because I don’t want there to be an uncommunicated or ulterior expectations that if he’s paying for me so now I owe him physical intimacy. Usually men walk away butthurt when they get nothing. If a woman pays her share, then the dude is stripped off any ounce of entitlement he feels to sex or physical intimacy.

Agree

I’d much rather pay for myself

Not that I ever go on dates 😄

Precisely because you went on a date for your own benefit of getting to know someone and they cannot expect anything physical from you. No free lunches in this world unless it’s your parents. 😆

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Yes lol

Free lunches and dinners etc etc

😆

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Posted by LuckyLibra7
The second date consisted of axe throwing and food at a bar.
I'm not disagreeing it's not awkward, but if I've paid for 2 separate events now, it's polite to offer to pay her end at the very least.
It's pretty clear she had zero intention of paying, which might even be worse than not offering at all. Because now her character is in question.
Baffling as she drove almost 2 hours with traffic. So it's strange that she would sabotage herself.

She drove 2 hours.. Did she pay for her own gas? Then ya kinda shouldn't be expecting her to pay for dinner :/

I'm all about things being equal, but generally guys do pay for dates when getting to know someone, especially if they drove 2 fkn hours to see you. Daymnn.

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A guy recently drove 2 hrs to come see me (his prerogative) and also paid $ 3 for my coffee, do I now give him sex?

Her driving two hours to see him is her prerogative. She could have asked to meet somewhere halfway. Meeting was mutually beneficial. She didn’t do him any favours that now he owes her food.



Amazing @ the weird double standards of women.

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I find Virgo moon people very closed down emotionally but don’t have too much experience with Virgo Venus … I’d imagine they’re quite cautious in love ?

Virgo Venus question everything "am i happy?, am i in love?, do they love me?, should i stick it out? should i leave?" never content and i think they are happy like that

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Posted by MyStarsShine
I find Virgo moon people very closed down emotionally but don’t have too much experience with Virgo Venus … I’d imagine they’re quite cautious in love ?

Virgo Venus question everything "am i happy?, am i in love?, do they love me?, should i stick it out? should i leave?" never content and i think they are happy like that

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Virgo energy being analytical?

Surely not 😃

it could be in the convo like the joke you made about being married.

had a first date with this guy where i mentioned his fb's a little sketchy coz he's always so mysterious (obscured, out of focus, almost off-camera) in his pics like he was hiding something (he's a scorpio moon). so i half-jokingly said maybe he's got a wife and kids back home. but he changed my mind later on.

fast forward we're married now with a 5 month old son.

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Posted by MyStarsShine
I find Virgo moon people very closed down emotionally but don’t have too much experience with Virgo Venus … I’d imagine they’re quite cautious in love ?

Virgo Venus question everything "am i happy?, am i in love?, do they love me?, should i stick it out? should i leave?" never content and i think they are happy like that

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Lol not at all. Not happy with being up in the air about important things.Virgo man at least, take into consideration how everything will work.

Catching a Virgo with feelings for you is easy holding on to them requires understanding. Just ride it out and be consistent as they process. Consider it a relationship test of sorts. A committed Virgo is rock solid.

P.S. When a Virgo stops trying and stops communicating your relationship is in trouble. When that becomes the norm the relationship is over.