How to win back a Virgo woman?

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Is it possible to win back a Virgo woman to the point she is open to the idea of having a relationship again?

I am still in love with this person, and have been ever since we were kids but I felt I got too insecure and needy as a Cancer man and she just decided one day that was the end of of, no time away from each other, just over and done.

Is there a strong possibility that if I wait 2 solid years that we would totally forgive me and we could work something out or should I not hold my breath?

I messaged her on facebook recently to basically tell her I have had problems getting over her and receiving closure....

ME

You also might think I am like your ex Rob and I am sorry you feel that way considering how much I love you and always will, but I don't feel like I have done anything worse to you than what your mom or dad have done or said. I guess I misjudged that only THEY can show their vulnerable side to you and it be ok. You can't blame me for thinking it was ok based on how you let them get away and what you do for them. You yourself can be very bipolar Carolyn and even I accepted that part of your personality.

I also assumed you enjoyed calming down people who get overly emotional "I love my Cancers" like your mom or get themselves into pickles like your dad did and needed your help. When I was vulnerable and going off into the deep end in Colorado, it seemed like you just let me sink and cut all ties .Do you remember when you always said "Don't leave me Mr.Lee", well I took that to heart more than you did towards me.

But I am not not mad about this because I know I made mistakes, yet I know in my heart through God that I was just trying to protect you and especially your kids from people who might could cause them harm.That is why I was trying to get something going in Colorado for all of us .The biggest problem in our relationship was communication, you said u wanted to get away from your dad and everything, but he was with u at Christmas, not me. So I am just going to assume you changed your mind and that I was no longer needed in your life
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HER
Yes everyone says things at some point they wish they could take back
I know I have. I don't think you are anything like Rob. I dont think youre worse than my parents, or even in the same ball park. I am well aware of my imperfections/bipolar disorder. Never tried to say I was better than you
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Posted by Nefer
Did you let your hurt EGO write that for you? Cuz that sure as hell wasn't your HEART writing to a woman you LOVE and want to be with!


Personally, I think your letter was petty, rude and attacking.. and clearly, by her answer back to you.. so did she.



I agree with you, my ego was severely bruised in this whole situation. I honestly have had other conversations were it was straight from the heart and basically begged her to take me back but it didn't affect her one bit either. She has had basically the same response each time I have tried to win her back.
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Posted by scorchedearth
the thing i've noticed... virgos, like all women, respond best to heartfelt apologies and sincerity. if you try to manipulate her it will FAIL. if you try to finger point and blame her for all the feelings that you're refusing to work through she's probably going to continue responding in ways that seem to reaffirm that she's trying to hurt you.

no one likes to have assumptions made about them, true or not. no one likes to feel attacked by someone.

question: if someone sent you a message like the one you sent her... how would you respond to it? how would you feel if someone seemed to be using the concept of love as a weapon against you?

idea: spend a few days (or more) writing a letter to her. read it, and reread it, and rewrite it. do not use emotionally manipulative language. let her know that you've accepted your part of things. do not place blame. do not try to force her into feeling anything. just write all the things you've felt and let her know in no uncertain terms that you still care for her deeply, you know that you were both wrong in ways (dont focus on this part), she lingers in your heart, and that above all you wish her nothing but happiness (and let her know that you know she deserves nothing less) whether you're with her or not/whether she's in your life or not. let her know that you're willing to take baby steps to see if you can be in each others lives again. give no expiration date on that. don't use any sort of forceful language or try to make it happen NOW.

realize that if you love her like you say you do... waiting isnt a big deal. making sure she feels safe and respected is. your hurt feelings are important, but not at the expense of her. if you're not ready to talk to her let that be known too, but that you hope that at some point later that you can be in each others lives again.

understand that this is not about you and your injured ego. her feelings, her walls. both of those are as important as your stuff.

and for gods sake man, quite assuming you know what she thought or felt. you have no idea at all unless she's told you, cancer or not. no one can ever feel the depth of someone elses feelings because no one can ever be another person.



You are right in practically everything you said, I as the man have been trying too hard to get her to admit her thought process was wrong in certain areas in order to win
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You are right in practically everything you said, I as the man have been trying too hard to get her to admit her thought process was wrong in certain areas in order to win her back and have used alot of emotional manpulation in the process.However,I feel like I have been patient giving her space for months at a time, but then I get all impatient because I miss having the love she brought to my life and want it back like it was. I honestly believe no man could love her or appreciate her life and her struggles as a whole like I have. I dont want to lose her for good and I am afraid too much time apart with cause that to definitely happen.

I suppose I just was really offended the way she broke up with me, canceling me like you cancel a cable service or something and not expect it to be personal or emotional for me.She wouldn't see me when I got back in town after I got back home from college last December since all the fighting we did was via txt and never in person. I thought if she saw me in person we could fix these issues. I felt like it was a petty fight we had and then it just turned into a stone cold breakup with her saying "I will always miss you" like it wasn't fixable at least. I just missed her alot when I was across the country in college and I became really vulnerable and needy.

And everyone please be hard on me, I am very hardheaded with the people I love. I really want this woman back in my life
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Ummmm let's see;
1)you attacked her parents (she expects you to provide a safe haven,not join her bashing)
2)attacked her relationship with them (she's known her parents alot longer than you,so it's bound to be complicated)
3)you expected some sort of support because YOU made the choice to go (you may have done it for her,but you whine because
she tried to let you free with no contact to see if you could get it together)
4)you didn't leave room for self examination while you were there(everything is still her fault)
5)you made it a point to point out her health issues,you actually called her bi-polar(goes without saying)
6)and you used her children as an emotional pawn here.(I'm doing this for them,--and you won't let me,wrong wrong wrong)

Yup really tactful and sweet.You'd better have one of those mirrors on a stick and check under your vehicle everytime you get ready to get in it.And check for any pools of transmission or brake fluid as well.

Communication??Lack there of,is more like it.What happened to can we talk,can we start fresh,how are your parents,I've made some good changes,I got a good job now,I know where I could have made better choices.....(P.S.-if you use any of these lines,they'd better be true).

There is a big difference between being emotionally supportive with her feelings versus holding her past or current
situation emotionally hostage.(Message she is recieving from you = you've got mental problems and kids,no one will touch yo,so come on back and sit your butt down here).

Whether it is 2 years or 200 months,she will still be pissed at you ,if this is the attitude that you slap on the table and shove towards her.

Show her that you have grown from this experience,that you have changed,show her HideTide 2.0 , take responsibility for your part in this relationship.I give you no specifics because,you need to find your way here.Not to parrot what Virgo Women tell you to do just to get her back and then have it go,business as usual.Show her change and grow ,solely by your actions.If you want her ,win her back not badger and insult her.

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1)you attacked her parents (she expects you to provide a safe haven,not join her bashing)

A Your right, I guess she just held me to a higher standard and I didn't even realize it before it was too late. Her mom is an emotional person like myself so I thought it wasn't a big deal to her.

2)attacked her relationship with them (she's known her parents alot longer than you,so it's bound to be complicated)

A.Her dad got arrested for child pornography when we were dating and he had molested her when she was a child so I was standoffish about her getting away from him. Her mom acting like nothing was wrong in all this.

3)you expected some sort of support because YOU made the choice to go (you may have done it for her,but you whine because
she tried to let you free with no contact to see if you could get it together)

A.You are right about this, I didn't show enough strength or wisdom in this department.

4)you didn't leave room for self examination while you were there(everything is still her fault)

A.I had alot of time to think about everything us being apart. I would blame myself, then I would go back to her leaving me at a vulnerable moment in my life and the cycle would just restart over again. I told her I have gotten into therapy and she was happy for me.

5)you made it a point to point out her health issues,you actually called her bi-polar(goes without saying)

A.I did admit I was emotionally unstable to her, but I felt she was too hard on me on silly things. But your right, It didn't need to be said.

6)and you used her children as an emotional pawn here.(I'm doing this for them,--and you won't let me,wrong wrong wrong)

I didn't meant to use them as an emotional pawn, I just felt like alot of people were causing our relationship problems like her parent and I wanted her,myself and the kids to get away from all that. I didn't want her dad molesting her children like he did her someday. She was being loyal to him over me after all he had done and I was furious about it.
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Posted by VulcanLass

There is a big difference between being emotionally supportive with her feelings versus holding her past or current
situation emotionally hostage.(Message she is recieving from you = you've got mental problems and kids,no one will touch yo,so come on back and sit your butt down here).

Whether it is 2 years or 200 months,she will still be pissed at you ,if this is the attitude that you slap on the table and shove towards her.

Show her that you have grown from this experience,that you have changed,show her HideTide 2.0 , take responsibility for your part in this relationship.I give you no specifics because,you need to find your way here.Not to parrot what Virgo Women tell you to do just to get her back and then have it go,business as usual.Show her change and grow ,solely by your actions.If you want her ,win her back not badger and insult her.



I will do whatever to change and I am honestly in the process of trying to be a better man, I just feel like every time she wants to get back together she thinks of the things I did and then doesn't want to give me another chance and won't ever forget about it. Every ex I have ever had seems to be more responsive to me except her but I want to truly understand.


I thought about sending her a song yesterday, IFFY THE BADMAN-DO YOU yet I feel like it wouldn't touch her at all. When we were together it would have 😢
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Show her that you have grown from this experience,that you have changed,show her HideTide 2.0 , take responsibility for your part in this relationship.I give you no specifics because,you need to find your way here.Not to parrot what Virgo Women tell you to do just to get her back and then have it go,business as usual.Show her change and grow ,solely by your actions.If you want her ,win her back not badger and insult her.



I'm with that too ^^^

I do think there is a chance because her response in your first post didn't seem as defensive as I would be if someone I was finished with said the things you did. It seemed kind of diplomatic (to me at least)

I don't think waiting 2 yrs is a good idea. I don't know if you figure that is a way for her bad feelings to fade away and start fresh but as VL said she will still be pissed. Stay in contact and let her see you changing the negative patterns and let her get reassurance that history won't repeat itself. She probably won't buy it if you just promise things and expect her to believe you because you feel in your heart you are being truthful. She might think you are just urgent to fix the situation and will revert back to old habits when you get what you want. Even now that's my suspicion (sorry but my cancer does this sometimes and gets frustrated with me when I'm not swayed by what he's feeling) I think you sincerely mean what you are saying but because your emotions are stirred up from your situation I wonder if things were to fall in line with what you want would you really be able to keep up the changes? She will probably need to see you being consistent over a longer period of time to feel safe with you that you might think is too long. You will need to be patient with her. I'm pretty much drawing from my own experiences but I think VL gave you good advice that could help you. I hope it works out for you and your Virgo HT

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A Your right, I guess she just held me to a higher standard and I didn't even realize it before it was too late. Her mom is an emotional person like myself so I thought it wasn't a big deal to her.

1)She is dating you ,not her mom.She may not see the similarities,so she familiar with your emotionality.


A.Her dad got arrested for child pornography when we were dating and he had molested her when she was a child so I was standoffish about her getting away from him. Her mom acting like nothing was wrong in all this.

2)Molestation is about power.Obviously she is wounded.This is something that she is going to have to figure out.It's typical of molestation victims to behave the way she does.If are your are abusing her emotionally,you are no better than her father.

3/A.You are right about this, I didn't show enough strength or wisdom in this department.
Thank you for admitting this.


4/A.I had alot of time to think about everything us being apart. I would blame myself, then I would go back to her leaving me at a vulnerable moment in my life and the cycle would just restart over again. I told her I have gotten into therapy and she was happy for me.

It's not a matter of placing blame,it's about your responsibility.

5)you made it a point to point out her health issues,you actually called her bi-polar(goes without saying)

A.I did admit I was emotionally unstable to her, but I felt she was too hard on me on silly things. But your right, It didn't need to be said.

Uh communication—?So you don't care what matters to her.Swell.


6)and you used her children as an emotional pawn here.(I'm doing this for them,--and you won't let me,wrong wrong wrong)

I didn't meant to use them as an emotional pawn, 6A) Have you stopped it?
I just felt like alot of people were causing our relationship problems like her parent and I wanted her,myself and the kids to get away from all that. 6B) If you're not a safe person to be with,why should dhe go with you?

I didn't want her dad molesting her children like he did her someday. She was being loyal to him over me after all he had done and I was furious about it.

6C)Noble thought.It's complicated.She needs help.You are not her therapist.Don't you mind f her over this.What are you going to offer her ?


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Show her that you have grown from this experience,that you have changed,show her HideTide 2.0 , take responsibility for your part in this relationship.I give you no specifics because,you need to find your way here.Not to parrot what Virgo Women tell you to do just to get her back and then have it go,business as usual.Show her change and grow ,solely by your actions.If you want her ,win her back not badger and insult her.



I will do whatever to change and I am honestly in the process of trying to be a better man, I just feel like every time she wants to get back together she thinks of the things I did and then doesn't want to give me another chance and won't ever forget about it. Every ex I have ever had seems to be more responsive to me except her but I want to truly understand.


I thought about sending her a song yesterday, IFFY THE BADMAN-DO YOU yet I feel like it wouldn't touch her at all. When we were together it would have 😢
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You'd better be having deep change there,or else it's going to do no one any good.Obviously you haven't shown her enough of whatever you need to show her to convince her that she will be safe with you.What is it that she needs that you aren't giving her?

Basically you are telling her that you don't give a hot bleep about any of HER thoughts and feelings.She should just wipe the slate clean because YOU want her to.You are trying to decieding what she should feel and remember.How dare she be her own person.("she won't ever forget about it").Really!That's a classic power trip.Honestly,you need a new therapist.

You are lumping her in with all your exes,if it worked on them,it should work on her.It doesn't sound like you " understand" or know who she is at all.You seem to be trying to fix her to fit into your little hole you dug for her,because she doesn't fit the formula.

What are you going to show her? What does she need? If you knew her heart,you would have an answer.If your not interested in the hard work it takes then leave her alone.Don't play with her feelings to suit you. Your self growth is key.
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Posted by HarveyBlindPew
Your parents are freaks of forgotten nature and you have emotional stability issues.

P.s. I love you so much!


I mean really, the only thing you left out of your letter is how silly she dresses--which is likely to be very silly indeed.




Well she had sent me a previous message that included alot of personal stuff I didn't want to post here. Lets just say she let her Virgo wrath upon me on what I did wrong and the response I posted here was the most civil thing I could reply back to those comments with. Earlier this year I would have just gone out an all out emotional attack on here LOL
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It's been a very long while since this thread was created and I have gotten a lot incredible insights. I guess I'm just as desperate as HighTide is (or was) and I would like to ask for your opinions on how to go about winning my Virgo back. I'm going to recount our situation as clearly as I can trying to emphasize on the emotions as well and I hope all you virgo women please be patient with me (I read somewhere that you don't like to read a lot).

Let me start by saying that our relationship started off in a really quick and in a weird manner. A few years back, I broke up with my Sagitarrius girlfriend then met my Virgo about 3 months after that. I was still in the process of getting over my ex and, as expected, no matter how I try to hide my feelings my Virgo saw through me. But she still tried to understand and accept me. A couple of months into our relationship, I worked at a company far from where she was. I stayed at my ex's family house (she didn't live there) because her brothers offered me to stay there. A very bad decision but at that time, my ex left me with nothing so I was starting my life again from scratch. I eventually fell in love with my Virgo and she felt it this time. But life took on its course. I was promoted and my new job required more time from me to the point that we weren't talking every day anymore. Even if I was going home to her during the weekends (we practically live together during the weekends), I recon that that was not enough.

After a series of fights over skype and over the phone - I endlessly explained how important this job was for our future and she tirelessly pointed out that she understands but I was taking her for granted - she broke up with me.

Now here comes fate's twist.

She then started posting sad pictures and comments on facebook the moment we broke up until a guy abroad noticed her and started comforting her. He had no friends and he has a terrible family - which is what led him to go abroad immediately after graduating from college. Really, his family, especially his mother, was over the top I could hardly believe a mother like that actually existed. Actually I'm doubting him. He is the boss in the company he is working for and so he kept all his emotions to himself. They started comforting each other, though my girlfriend said she usually talked about me.

She broke up with me on a wednesday and we didn't talk since. Saturday that same week, I went home to her and I was upset. She was staring
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She broke up with me on a wednesday and we didn't talk since. Saturday that same week, I went home to her and I was upset. She was staring at me, teary eyed, while I packed my things. When I was about to leave, she held my bag and stared at me again. Proud as I am, I started to stir up yet another fight with her. We weren't officially back together that time yet but the rest of the weekend went fine - it felt as if nothing happened. Before I left, I saw this guy's message to her on facebook calling her "babe". It tore me apart but I had to be as calm and strong as possible. I talked to her about him and she explained that hadn't I pack my bags immediately after I came early that weekend, it wouldn't have gone that far.

No, they're not a couple - or she tells me. Then the guy got in an accident - car vs. truck. He's in terrible condition now, his legs are in a struggle between being amputated or not. His stitches had to be redone a few times and since he has 'no friends' he's left with no one to talk to besides my Virgo.

It's been about three weeks now since we broke up. I still go home to her for the weekends. Even bought her flowers one time even though it was mid week and I had to go back to work a few hours later. I now make time for her everyday to call her and message her on skype. I am now posting pictures and messages to her on facebook as well. I have never been like this to any of my ex girlfriends. NEVER. Now, like I said, we're still seeing each other and whenever it's just the two of us, it's just like magic. I have put my pride aside and I apologize to her (probably even over apologizing to her) whenever she gets upset at me. It's better and it's more comfortable now except when that guy starts to message her on facebook and skype. She then rushes to the computer to attend to that broken person, disregarding me. She has told me several times that had that person not been in an accident she would have left him already and gone back to me. In fact, just last week, we spoke on the phone and she said she and her sister were talking about how to renovate the house to make room for our children. It feels like she's trying to get back at me for all the things that I've done to her. I know she's struggling now because she has to motivate this other guy to live while at the same time, attend to me. I understand her point but I feel like the guy is already emotionally blackmailing her - we all know that Virgos are kind in nature that they often ge
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they get often taken advantage of. I understand her point but I feel like the guy is already emotionally blackmailing her - we all know that Virgos are kind in nature that they often get taken advantage of. What broke my heart the most was to find out that she's going to meet the guy (he's abroad at the moment) when he lands here to undergo surgery. My paranoia is starting to kick in but I try my best for her not to see this side because the last time that I told her that she won't see me again if she meets up with this guy, she said she respects my decision if I'm already giving up. Several times in the past she's told me that she never gave up on me because she couldn't lose me.

Please help me, especially the Virgo women. I'm clueless as to how to go about this situation. I don't want to lose her and I certainly don't want her to meet up with this guy. So far, I still constantly communicate with her now and I, honestly, try to be as nice and empathetic to the guy too. Although there was one time I posted on his facebook wall saying that everything will be fine and that I'm praying for him, he then deactivated his facebook account. My Virgo tried called him several times, in front of me. She said there's nothing wrong with what I posted and that the guy was ridiculously over reacting. I am truthfully sorry for his predicament and I show it to my Virgo.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by HighTide
Is it possible to win back a Virgo woman to the point she is open to the idea of having a relationship again?

I am still in love with this person, and have been ever since we were kids
^ 5 years ago

Posted by HighTide
I have known this person since we were kids
^present topic

...really what are you playing at?
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your more interested in bumping this because you thought you caught me in a lie when I was talking about someone entirely different.

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Posted by Damnata
Posted by HighTide
Is it possible to win back a Virgo woman to the point she is open to the idea of having a relationship again?

I am still in love with this person, and have been ever since we were kids
^ 5 years ago

Posted by HighTide
I have known this person since we were kids
^present topic

...really what are you playing at?
your more interested in bumping this because you thought you caught me in a lie when I was talking about someone entirely different.

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You're*

Seeing as you have made an insulting thread on Aries board to cover your ass in your failed marriage, then instantly created two seeking threads on Cap and Virgo forum, I vote that you are full of shit. And not the kind of shit you dip crabmeat in, either.