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Posted by ellessque
how are black women portrayed in the media as being the least desirable? please provide a CURRENT example. i've only seen very beautiful black women in the media. if you look at the current reality shows...most are of idiotic, unintelligent white women or we could talk about the jersey shore.

for the most part, black women are portrayed as very beautiful, artistic, intelligent and articulate people. If you go back 10 years...yeah. But with the marketing power of the african american community, I believe things have changed significantly.



I don't think it's so blatant anymore, but in general, generalizations are far more covert now than they are overt. Just because we can't really see it may not mean that it's not there. But it's more so that black women in general have internalized these stigmas over time and project it over other women, IMO. Like, take Beyonce. I'll throw out an example, it's more so among black culture than you see in media (and in my generation).

Darker-skinned black women and light-skinned black women. There have been derogatory things being said about both, and in some aspects of hip hop culture, they are actually pinned against it each other.

I'll just leave this here:

http://mediatakeout.com/2009/34247-hot_mess_atlanta_promoters_throw_the_first_annual_dark_skin_vs_redbone_affair.html
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Posted by caribbeangold
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some studies/statistics show that something similar to the aaw/aam is going on with asian men and women
more asian women are dating outside of their communities, usually white men
and the asian men are not dating ir as much....so, some feel left out
this is another growing tension...it seems



Oh absolutely. I have an Asian female friend who will only dated White men (and she is now married to one). Her and I would have conversations all of the time about her reasons and she told me that she didn't find Asian men desirable and that they had small penises (a common stereotype for Asian men). Also, she told me that many of her Asian girlfriends, acquaintances, etc, felt the same way and that they too only dated/married White men. Studies show that the most common interracial pairing is WM/AW (followed by BM/WM) and although this doesn't speak for all Asian women,and even if the numbers are exxagerrated a bit, please show me that I'm wrong and then I'll shut my mouth.
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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA...the ones I knew were so cute and unassuming. It's like they were oblivious to any girl who had a crush. LOL.

So what's going on Nek? You work with one that you have your eye on or something?


Oh no. I WISH!! The guy I'm stalk-- er crushing on is a sweet Brit. *le sigh* I'll update THAT saga when the time comes though. 🙂

Last time I saw a gathering of handsome Jewish fellows, I was in the NYC diamond district. No offense-- true story.

I was half breaking my own neck trying to see as many guys as I could. Hahah!!



e-stalking? That's some new shit? Wow, we women are so inventive at coming up with new ways to keep tabs on potential love interests....hmmm....gotta try that shit someday.

NYC Diamond District eh? *makes mental note to take my ass a trip to NYC DD* LOL!!!!



LOL, it's not e-stalking at all. She tried to play off "stalking" and then labeled it "crushing", lmfao.
It's not stalking in my opinion though, it's def. some serious interest
She needs to stop downplaying it *eyeroll*



So it's more than what she says eh? Nek, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk...what are you waiting for, girl! Go get him! Awww...wait, don't tell me it's like your situation C? The dude has a girlfriend?
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So it's more than what she says eh? Nek, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk...what are you waiting for, girl! Go get him! Awww...wait, don't tell me it's like your situation C? The dude has a girlfriend?


I don't think it's more-- I'm trying to stay level. And I'm ok with being a friend. He's just that awesome. 🙂

And HAHAHHA!! Yes of course he has a girlfriend. They always have girlfriends. The similarities betwixt Clc and myself live on. Hahahh!!

But really I do adore the guy and I think he feels the same, but he doesn't want to make a move and risk rejection. On the other end, I respect his relationship WAY more than to just pounce at him or to risk losing him as a friend.
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Posted by ellessque
how are black women portrayed in the media as being the least desirable? please provide a CURRENT example. i've only seen very beautiful black women in the media. if you look at the current reality shows...most are of idiotic, unintelligent white women or we could talk about the jersey shore.

for the most part, black women are portrayed as very beautiful, artistic, intelligent and articulate people. If you go back 10 years...yeah. But with the marketing power of the african american community, I believe things have changed significantly.



Why of course, Elle. White women have always been the standard of beauty in this society. You know this. Why do you think it is when a woman like Halle Berry or Beyonce are dubbed the most beautiful Black women? It's because they have European-like features and that would make sense giving their race/ancestry...no? Halle Berry is bi-racial with a White mother and Beyonce's grandmother was White so it's no surprise to me that they would have some typical European-like features and this is what I think alot of people forget. However, it's ok because in my book they are both very beautiful women and I don't hate on beautiful women. The problem comes in when other races are told that they are not beautiful because they don't live up to the standard of beauty of another race. I find many White women to be absolutely gorgeous and I find women of other races to be absolutely gorgeous as well.
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So it's more than what she says eh? Nek, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk...what are you waiting for, girl! Go get him! Awww...wait, don't tell me it's like your situation C? The dude has a girlfriend?


I don't think it's more-- I'm trying to stay level. And I'm ok with being a friend. He's just that awesome. 🙂

And HAHAHHA!! Yes of course he has a girlfriend. They always have girlfriends. The similarities betwixt Clc and myself live on. Hahahh!!

But really I do adore the guy and I think he feels the same, but he doesn't want to make a move and risk rejection. On the other end, I respect his relationship WAY more than to just pounce at him or to risk losing him as a friend.
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So it's more than what she says eh? Nek, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk...what are you waiting for, girl! Go get him! Awww...wait, don't tell me it's like your situation C? The dude has a girlfriend?


I don't think it's more-- I'm trying to stay level. And I'm ok with being a friend. He's just that awesome. 🙂

And HAHAHHA!! Yes of course he has a girlfriend. They always have girlfriends. The similarities betwixt Clc and myself live on. Hahahh!!

But really I do adore the guy and I think he feels the same, but he doesn't want to make a move and risk rejection. On the other end, I respect his relationship WAY more than to just pounce at him or to risk losing him as a friend.
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Awww...I feel for you, babe. Fucking fuckers....always with this girlfriend shit! LOL! Well, stay friends with him and who knows. I'm definitely going to keep you in my prayers. 😉
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So it's more than what she says eh? Nek, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk...what are you waiting for, girl! Go get him! Awww...wait, don't tell me it's like your situation C? The dude has a girlfriend?


I don't think it's more-- I'm trying to stay level. And I'm ok with being a friend. He's just that awesome. 🙂

And HAHAHHA!! Yes of course he has a girlfriend. They always have girlfriends. The similarities betwixt Clc and myself live on. Hahahh!!

But really I do adore the guy and I think he feels the same, but he doesn't want to make a move and risk rejection. On the other end, I respect his relationship WAY more than to just pounce at him or to risk losing him as a friend.



*cough*someleoYOUare...*cough*
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I know! Where is that Leo fire——!!!!!!!!
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*cough*someleoYOUare...*cough*



I know you didn't. HAHAHHA!! Miss I'm being respectful. If I just wanted HIM, I could've had that by now. I've left that attitude behind. Besides, he's too good a guy for that and I'm entirely too mature now to take it there. I'd much prefer a mutually emotionally rewarding friendship or the same in a relationship with lots of mutually rewarding sex added. [🙂]

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NYC Diamond District eh? *makes mental note to take my ass a trip to NYC DD* LOL!!!!
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OMG yes!! 😄
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Posted by VirgoVixxxen
Awww...I feel for you, babe. Fucking fuckers....always with this girlfriend shit! LOL! Well, stay friends with him and who knows. I'm definitely going to keep you in my prayers. 😉


HAHAHA!! It's only a deal because she seems not to appreciate him. Then again, I don't know their history. I just know her and her friends didn't seem appreciative of my presence at the match he invited me to. Hahah!!

Thank you VV!! I appreciate that. 🙂 Fingers crossed that next time I see him, he gives his current relationship a thorough once over.

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As soon as you allow people to define you, then you start thinking you are not up to some sort of twisted standard.





...and before you blast me, this was spoken to ME by a person of color.
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Who's gonna blast you? No one's here to blast anyone. Shit ain't going down like that in this thread or folks can make like a thespian and exit stage left.

Back on topic...oh hell no. I've never cared to live up to anyone's standards of beauty. Especially not the White man's. I come from and was raised amongst a strong group of people and we don't put ourselves beneath anybody on any level. I love my looks, happy with the color of my skin and wouldn't want it any other way.
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Too many typos, let me try that again:

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I loved an african guy for a long time (I am white), but he didn't like white people or white women and told me so many times. I felt so crushed by this and chased him for a long time, because I couldn't understand why he didn't love me for what I am like inside and was so superficial. It's kind of terribly sad, but even now I feel like if I was only black, he would have loved me. I don't blame him, it's his upbringing and culture, but I still wish for the sake of that relationship that I had been black for him to feel I was someone he could be with.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I am crying thinking about it.

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It's not his upbringing, it's not his culture and it's not your skin colour. The skin colour ONLY serves as a gateway to who someone who judges and generalizes may feel you are like on the inside. He does not like white people because of how he feels some of them are ON THE INSIDE of theirselves. He can't love you for who you are on the inside b/c it's the very insides of white folk that he don't like and, he cees you as being like them.

Ever hear black dudes refer to their white male friend as *his N word*, *BillieBob is my N word*?? That's because though BillieBob may be as white as snow on the OUTSIDE, he comes across to the brothas as being like a black man on the inside of himself and, because it's what's inside that counts, his skin colour is disregarded and to the black dudes who welcome him in that way, BillieBob is a black dude a/k/a their *my N word*.

Same thing with black women -- ever hear them tell a white female friend who *thinks and acts like a black woman* your skin may be white but YOU ARE A BLACK WOMAN, and from there on out as far as they're concerned, she's their [white-skinned] Black friend.

How about this -- ask the African man what is it he don't like about white people and you will have your answer, rather than your just making up what sounds good to you and them calling THAT *his reasons.*



I think someone can be friends with someone of another race, but then they may feel entirely different in a serious romantic or marriage relationship.
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Posted by ellessque
I am going to go out on a limb and say......

It's impossible for a kenyan to hate white people.

It's completely possible for a kenyan to hate westerners/americans.

....and I'm completely serious about that statement.




I couldn't agree with this more, cause he talks a lot about western influence in Africa (a lot) and particularly Americans and when he went to America he felt people were racist towards him. You are very right.
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I couldn't agree with this more, cause he talks a lot about western influence in Africa (a lot) and particularly Americans and when he went to America he felt people were racist towards him. You are very right.



mmm...beyond skin color.

there are caribbeans who cant stand americans...is it because of skin color, culture? not really....
add us gov-backed dictators...economic policies that have been detrimental to the economy of caribbean countries, the imf...
loud americans with self-entitlement issues when traveling in our countries...
us foreign policy....arghh...
now, we can talk...

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Yeah I totally understand where you're coming from. A lot of my African friends talk about the same thing all the time.
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it isn't racism. racism doesn't exist in a lot of african countries.

it's plain old fashioned discrimination.

their may be racism amongst races in the caribbean but I still would not go so far as to call it racism like we know it to be in the states.

there has to be a different word for it.



yep...it is different.
and when it comes to ir dating...it is so the norm...we just tend to blend, esp. in the spanish speaking caribbean...
it is more like one culture and integration is norm too
unlike in the us, where the black kids are sitting with the black kids...asian sit with asians..and so on
we all sit together and see each other as being part of a circle...
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Sounds wonderful
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Posted by ninjamu
I actually don't want everyone to mix (though I am comprised of mixed ethnicities myself). How boring if everyone were this neutral, dark beige-ish color. I like things the way they are. Lots of mixing going on but still have plenty of "one race" types too.



Sounds good to me ninjamu. I like it both ways as well. Oh, did that sound sexual? 😉
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Awww...I feel for you, babe. Fucking fuckers....always with this girlfriend shit! LOL! Well, stay friends with him and who knows. I'm definitely going to keep you in my prayers. 😉



HAHAHA!! It's only a deal because she seems not to appreciate him.

Damn, doesn't that just frustrate you even more?

Thank you VV!! I appreciate that. 🙂 Fingers crossed that next time I see him, he gives his current relationship a thorough once over.

You're welcome!

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And I always find that interesting. Carribeans who can't stand Americans but will give anything to come and live in America. I have found many carribeans to have an "I am better than you attitude". They act as if they're above Americans and like their shit don't stink and it makes me laugh. My feeling is if you can't stand Americans so much, then stay in your own country.



lol you sure went on a tangent...
many people hate the usa because the usa has become the bully country on the rest of the world....when it comes to politics...
now, you are just arguing straw man nonsense....and taking the typical defensive stance that many americans do when their dirty laundry is thrown at them
because they cant handle that...they want to be perfect and all mighty...america is great after all...

wonder where you think the americans who cant stand the us govt should go...
and all of the americans and europeans living in africa, asia and latin america...?

but it is ok
i know what bit you 🙂
you just proved my point. thanks.
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I can understand you thinking that I'm taking a defensive stance but now you seem a bit offended. If not, fine. It actually really does annoy me when people come here from other countries who can't stand Americans and I can't help but wondering if that is the case then why not just stay where you are and it doesn't always have to do with the idea that the usa has become the bullying country of the rest of the world. I'm not saying that people don't have a right to come but, if it's for opportunity, then I understand.
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Posted by Candeh15
My immediate family is a hodge podge of interracial dating (including myself). My brother is married to a white woman who is german, my cousin's boyfriend is white, my uncle was married to a white woman, but his current longterm gf is white and she has two adopted daughters from africa. So for me, interracial dating has never been something frowned upon in my family, which is really great for me. I've dated within my race, but I've mostly dated outside of my race. It's never been anything I've thought twice about, it just sort of happens. I used to not care for blonde men either (I was just never too attracted to blondes in general, men and women), but after dating a couple, I do like them now.

Funny enough, with the leo I went on a date with last night, he is the first red head I've been on a date with lol.


hodge podge?
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I can understand you thinking that I'm taking a defensive stance but now you seem a bit offended. If not, fine. It actually really does annoy me when people come here from other countries who can't stand Americans and I can't help but wondering if that is the case then why not just stay where you are and it doesn't always have to do with the idea that the usa has become the bullying country of the rest of the world. I'm not saying that people don't have a right to come but, if it's for opportunity, then I understand.



my initial post... had nothing to do with caribbeans and americans in terms of nationality or race or who is better (as you implied)...i used them as an example...
i could have used europeans, asians, africans..., and people from all of these places come to the usa too and for different reasons...
it is not an ethnic/racial thing but an issue that many people outside of the usa share...because of politics
you were the one who went on a tangent and got stuck with the ethnic/race/nationality labels instead of thinking broader...
politics...us foreign policy...again

regardless...it is a free country, correct? freedom of speech.
and i laugh when people get defensive about this when it is a known fact...unless it does bother people and i wonder why....
even an american who tries to show the flaws of us foreign policy gets shut down and accused of not being a true american or unpatriotic...bizarre...

you saying if you dont like it then go back
reminds of whites saying to african-americans if you dont like it...get out of the country...and go to x
and true, slaves were brought here...but still it is a similar stance
just saying...

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I am stating an observation that I have personally made about carribeans. Period. I find that many of them tend to be very judgemental and haughty and wonder if they don't like the US, then why come? This has nothing to do with me thinking broader or implying anything. I simply stated my experience with many carribeans.
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n the us, race is a cultural determinant, it is the main thing about you..
and, there is no unity among you..


This is false. Race in the United States is a social construct that at times has been detrimentally used as a soci0-economic means of determinant....though it hasn't always worked efficiently, it has at time been portrayed in the media as either very very effective or at least effective enough to exacerbate the stereotypes the media itself plays into and feeds upon and FEEDS to the United States public. Your public notwithstanding...in the Caribbean...since many other media outlets in other countries do most certainly take cues from "American Media"...hence...others in different countries playing blues music....*rolls eyes...I hope you can keep up with this...because I'm STILL calling you on your BULLSHEED when I intially stopped. Idk..something about that cancer-rising mess you stated and that you think I didn't use any logic when I saw through you GENERALIZATIONS....


Hmm true, just 50 years ago America was extremely racist. "The Americans" proves that i think.


Now i see a comeback, I noticed nowadays a lot of black American Women aren't pushovers, it's like all those years of slavery and punishment has genetically modified them to be stronger and thicker skinned
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And, please...leave that little ad hominem argument of "well she said she felt that way when she went"...I mentioned what happened with Bridgitte Bardot...which isn't an isolated incident...IN EUROPE. Did you care to elaborate? No...your head is in your arse.



Brigitte Bardot is not represantative of the great people of France. And yes, there are racists and other idiots in Europe too. They are everywhere in the world and they'll never really disappear. But it's an opinion and that's democracy for you. One has to live with that.
East Germany isn't a paradise either. I'm scared to death in Leipzig or Dresden and would never walk down the street there alone. That may be a little over the top but I'd rather be overcautious than dead.




Did you read the rest of what I wrote? If not, I take it you didn't get my point either...because now after reading the REST of this thread it appears....no one did. No biggie...I KNOW wtf I meant to say and said it. And I KNOW about the generalizations that occur and still do and still will. But me having lived where I have and not overseas in no way makes me INFERIOR to ANYONE. My struggle/identity is MINE...i at least have the wherewithall to allow others to have their legitimacy as well though...even if they ARE enemies in my eye.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/05/raceineducation.raceinschools<BR>
http://www.pbs.org/itvs/fromswastikatojimcrow/racism.html<BR>
And I know FAIR WELL about laws of miscegenation or the "lack of", as well as the categories in Latin America varying from DEGREE OF LIGHTER TO DARKER SKIN AND ETHNICITY....why it is assumed I know nothing because "i've only lived here" is beyond me....sorry, just HAD to let some folks know.

And by the way Beyonce's grandmother wasn't "white". She was a creole of color in South Louisiana. Don't fawcking THINK you're going to lecture me on that...because THAT is also the closest culture I grew up in seeing as I have 2 creole ancestors and cajun ancestry. BONA FAWCKING FIDE. Generalizations everywhere though...no one gets legitimacy.....bite me.
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Decan, no one assumed that because you've only live
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Posted by 25thDecan
I don't need to travel to "broaden my perspective"....I have a need to travel because I want to. Perspective is relative....facts aren't.....



And the fact is Europe is more relaxed in terms of ir dating. We did not say that racism does not exist because racism exists everywhere but there is just a different attitude that they have about race mixing in Europe. Period. They are not all hung-up on it the way that we are in America. What is it about this that you don't get Decan? And traveling (and this is for anyone in general) will help to give you the facts on alot of things. Why put up such the fight when we tell you that we've been there to witness and experience it for ourselves. Really, what gives?
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t you have never lived anywhere in europe or in latin america
when you live in latin america and europe instead of visiting
then you will have a true and more real understanding...



This was said....a boldface lie it was....but it was said.....



Wnat's the bold faced lie...that you've never lived in Latin America and Europe or even visited? Sorry if I'm slow tonight but just trying to get a better understanding...
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She not only assumed it...she SAID IT.



K, guess I missed that.



virgovixxen
i wrote this:

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And lets not forget Bridgette Bardot's recently very popular stance against "north africans" based on her and groups affiliated with her "stance" on how les petite blancs in France are under fire for being "French" by some muslim imposition.....

my reply:
lol
i bet you have never lived anywhere in europe or in latin america
when you live in latin america and europe instead of visiting
then you will have a true and more real understanding...
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I see.
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And the fact is Europe is more relaxed in terms of ir dating. We did not say that racism does not exist because racism exists everywhere but there is just a different attitude that they have about race mixing in Europe. Period. They are not all hung-up on it the way that we are in America. What is it about this that you don't get Decan? And traveling (and this is for anyone in general) will help to give you the facts on alot of things. Why put up such the fight when we tell you that we've been there to witness and experience it for ourselves. Really, what gives?



i agree virgovixxen
i dont get his beef unless he has some complex...and is self-conscious about it...
or, he is pulling our leg and having fun...playing mr. obstinate
maybe some people cant take constructive criticism...i dont know...
i dont get it either at all...

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I don't know. I don't know...
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Posted by 25thDecan
Look, chick, FAWCK YOU.

I'll put it simple...you tried to call me ignorant because I haven't "lived where you have lived"...point blank and simple. And NEITHER OF YOU HAVE PRESENTED ANY FACTS....EXCEPT YOUR EXPERIENCES...ZERO NUMBERS....ZERO POLLS...ZERO POLICY....ZERO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE......

Slow? Yep. Funny how now you're both in that "let's get him mode"....WHYTHAFAWCK would that make what either of you is saying(and generalizing) hold more weight?

I see bullsheed. I call bullsheed.



What the...Decan seriously...who the hell is in cahoots? Surely not I. We have a different view point from you and that's all. We say we've been to these countries and tell you that we've seen the difference in the way that ir couples are treated in Europe versus how they are treated in America and you say "bullsheed". You act as if we are trying to make you feel bad about something and that is NOT the case. How can I give you numbers? It's something where you just have to be there and experience it for yourself. That is all.
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And I admit that I thought I knew shit until I traveled and realized that I knew absolutely nothing. I was in for a rude awakening and that is why traveling is all I want to do now. You learn so many different things on so many different levels that it's sick. I encourage anyone who can to travel because you will definitely come out a more informed, and maybe even better person on the other side.
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Posted by 25thDecan
What rude awakening? To see something different? To experience a new food right there? Sure sure ....it'll make me a better person...I bet if Mike Vick traveled more often he wouldn't have put money into dogfighting, right? Fawck that. Travel, have fun....how is my mind closed because I haven't traveled?

My mind isn't closed at all. I just haven't been out of the country yet to travel...simple as that.



But I never said your mind was closed. I just spoke of my mind being closed until I started to travel. Just because someone hasn't traveled does not make them unintelligent or inadequate in any manner but on the other hand traveling is a teacher in and of itself. Something you may read about a country in a paper might make more sense to you or enlighten you a little better if you actually went there and experienced it. That is all.
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Posted by 25thDecan
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/08022011/58/la-liga-alves-racism-spain-uncontrollable.html<BR>
And to clarify....NEITHER ONE OF YOU IS A BLACK MALE...LIKE ME. NEITHER ONE OF YOU can EVER BEGIN to understand or KNOW WTF I go through when I go through it. My smile remains supreme though...because like I said...my MIND IS FREE....OF MY OWN ACCORD.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/race-special-racism-in-britain-2007-437287.html<BR> Awesome article I might add.....



You're right. I don't know what it is to be a Black male and I have never claimed to. I have however, tried to understand the day to day struggles that Black men face and that is one reason I have asked you aplenty questions in this thread to try and understand if anything that's been said thus far has affected you in a way pertaining to the fact that you are a Black man. In other words, I was concerned that you would misinterpret things that were being said and feel as though you were being targeted directly and that is not the case even if you refuse to believe it or not.
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Posted by ellessque
We are going to head off to the caribbean first. First stop Jamaica (my all time fav), then the Bahamas. I've always been curious about the beef between the two.

Then we will jet off to Sierra Leone, because I've always wanted to go there....then hop over to Kenya so I can walk him thru Kibera and then drive down to Mombasa to see the tusks....trek over to Tanzania so we can see the most beautiful mountain in the WORLD...then fly over to Australia and visit TOC.

of course, on the way back we will have to stop in japan and then jump over to scotland to visit MissP and then off to the UK to experience the underground and have a beer with bling and Mr. Tate and perhaps we'll invite AA.....ooops, let's not forget the tourist trap picture in france under the eiffel tower to top off the whole trip.

I hope you've got your passport ready 😄



Oh get out of my head. I want to go to all of these places too. My next trip will be to Japan. I want to go back to Prague but I think that I will do that next year. Africa is definitely on my list as I would love to see Victoria Falls, and China for the Great Wall (2 natural world wonders).

Oh you'll absolutely love the Eiffel Tower. She's gorgeous at night when they turn her lights on. All the lights in Japan and in Times Square NYC have nothing on her.
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LOL Knock it off Catguy, trouble maker. 😛 I have kumbaya moments with stunning regularity I'll have you know. 😄



To tell you the truth, I don't even know what a kumbaya moment is. I'm guessing it means a happy moment.
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I was reading the debate, some of it a bit heated, and then my brain made that cross-reference to that Gullah song. Those soft opening strains .."Kumbaya ( Come by here ) My Lord...Kumbaya...", peaceful. And it made me smile, so I offered a hug. That is it, that is all, and that is how my brain works after entirely too much Starbucks doubleshot and trying to unwind after work.