Virgo guy confused. what does he want?

HELP.i met this virgo guy in collegue that i connected w instantly.. He started liking me within days. Would propa smile when he saw me and was constantly trying to make me laugh and see me outside class. we would take the bus together and walk it home etc (were neighbors) but at the time i was in a relationship w my ex, so when hed ask to hang out or for my number, he never got what he wanted. time went on and i saw him walking w his new girl. at first i didnt care, but the moment wed pass eachother in the streets and he wouldnt look at me or say hi i got so hurt i tried to contact him, everytime i did he responded straight away but after saying things like , i think youre one of the most amazing girls ive met and tell me how special and loved i was to him hed suddenly stop talking. His girl gives me the dirtiest looks when she sees me and i dont even know why . i wasnt trying to break up anything, and tried to go back to him as friends as i told him. he said yes ofcourse, and is super nice, but then dosent respond to messages like hi and shit like that. what could possibly be going through his mind

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

Virgo guys are confusing.

Uuuum...he's in a relationship now. Contrary to popular opinion but the bulk of his time and attention is supposed to go to his woman...not you. Respect that boundary and find another guy to give you the attention you want.

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.... so he mustn't like her so much

Yet you had (have still?) a boyfriend so..you mustn't like that guy much either.

Fun never ends on the Virgo Board.

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.... so he mustn't like her so much

Yet you had (have still?) a boyfriend so..you mustn't like that guy much either.

Fun never ends on the Virgo Board.

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you missread the message. as i said EX. while i was w him i didnt even give him my number . again read properly please

In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

Posted by beautifulsoul74
Uuuum...he's in a relationship now. Contrary to popular opinion but the bulk of his time and attention is supposed to go to his woman...not you. Respect that boundary and find another guy to give you the attention you want.

Do people on the Virgo forum not read properly or are you lot just looking for reasons to attack? lmao. Honey, i said it hurt when he didnt say hi so i tried to get his friendship back , as i made clear to him. he knows i respect myself and even when i was w him on a daily basis i didnt do anything. reason number one why he knows we can be just friends. i just miss his company as we got on so well and im just confused cause he tells me how special iam to him yet a minute later he dosent reply .

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.... so he mustn't like her so much

Yet you had (have still?) a boyfriend so..you mustn't like that guy much either.

Fun never ends on the Virgo Board.

you missread the message. as i said EX. while i was w him i didnt even give him my number . again read properly please

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You are asking questions about a man you met while you were with your ex.

My statement stands.

Posted by Tanya Jones
In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

I'm not even sure he was hitting on you to begin with...

Everything you described in your OP...back in my first year of college when I lived with my bf...I'd scan our class for interesting people, because I'm a social person. It was a new city I was living in, a new stage of my life.

Met my Pisces friend then and I enjoyed his company a lot. He lived in the same direction so we'd walk to uni and back together. Asked for his phone number, invited him to see movies and meeting friends. He never thought I was hitting on him, understood my friendliness. It's pretty common for classmates in college to ask for each other's phone numbers and develop friendships.

Unless he told you he liked you straight up and asked you on a date. A date, not a hang out, "you're cool, we should hang out".

All my friends are special to me so even the comments he made ring true for me.

^Even if he was into you like that, he still has a girlfriend so his attention will go there. Check your ego and expectations, "honey".

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.... so he mustn't like her so much

Yet you had (have still?) a boyfriend so..you mustn't like that guy much either.

Fun never ends on the Virgo Board.

you missread the message. as i said EX. while i was w him i didnt even give him my number . again read properly please

You are asking questions about a man you met while you were with your ex.

My statement stands.

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lmao. if you wish. im sorry you fail to understand the whole context hun. maybe reading more often will help you develop some skills

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

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You need to ask him that why did he show his interest towards you while he was already with another girl.

What's your chart like?

Fixed placements?

Don't worry about my skills, worry about upgrading your posts from taken men to married men in the future.

Posted by PEITHO
Don't mess around with Virgo men they aren't worth the trouble.

You can always travel for fwb with them. Make sure you develop expectations too.

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He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

You need to ask him that why did he show his interest towards you while he was already with another girl.

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What good will that question do?

If he wanted to cheat on his girlfriend with the OP, he will deny any interest in hindsight.

If he wanted just friendship, he will be like "Wtf, where is this question coming from"

Or he will ignore it completely.

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

You need to ask him that why did he show his interest towards you while he was already with another girl.

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i know he liked me for sure. i felt like asking that q would make things awk, cause it was quite obvious. you dont tell a girl you feel nothing towards. I cant forget your voice and stuff like that. i wonder what goes through his mind now that he agrees to be friends and then stops talking out of nowhere.

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

You need to ask him that why did he show his interest towards you while he was already with another girl.

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btw ignore the constipated chick over here making negative comments left and right. Get yourself some all bran guurl

Posted by PEITHO
Don't mess around with Virgo men they aren't worth the trouble.

care to share your experience ?(:

Op, I perfectly read what you said. If it's about friendship, then I'll give you this: my best friend of 25 years is a Virgo male. Guess what? When ever he started dating, he gave minimal time to our friendship and didn't even tell me why...It's perfectly understood. His woman is more important to him. Phone calls went unreturned etc. Could the Virgo have explained that to you? Yeah, but he'll return if he cares. If not, simply keep it moving. You're not going to always get an explanation...even from friends.

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Posted by Tanya Jones
In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

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I guess your virgo guy wanted to have fun with two girls at the same time. But when his original gf got angry about him giving attention to you, he thought he might lose her and that time u were already with your ex. So he became sober. He thought its better to lose one than to lose both of you.

Posted by beautifulsoul74
If it's about friendship.

lol.

it's obviously not about friendship. i know you know but it was..too subtle 😄

Posted by Damnata
I'm not even sure he was hitting on you to begin with...

Everything you described in your OP...back in my first year of college when I lived with my bf...I'd scan our class for interesting people, because I'm a social person. It was a new city I was living in, a new stage of my life.

Met my Pisces friend then and I enjoyed his company a lot. He lived in the same direction so we'd walk to uni and back together. Asked for his phone number, invited him to see movies and meeting friends. He never thought I was hitting on him, understood my friendliness. It's pretty common for classmates in college to ask for each other's phone numbers and develop friendships.

Unless he told you he liked you straight up and asked you on a date. A date, not a hang out, "you're cool, we should hang out".

All my friends are special to me so even the comments he made ring true for me.

^Even if he was into you like that, he still has a girlfriend so his attention will go there. Check your ego and expectations, "honey".

so you wanted details? oh sorry i didnt think making a huge post on how hed get jealous if i sat next to another classmate or simply talked about another guy would be necessary. Again, the prob here is him not me . cause if he was w his girl and could be "friends" back then. whats the prob now?

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In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

I guess your virgo guy wanted to have fun with two girls at the same time. But when his original gf got angry about him giving attention to you, he thought he might lose her and that time u were already with your ex. So he became sober. He thought its better to lose one than to lose both of you.

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makes sense, but why tell me he values and wants to keep our friendship if hes not gonna act like one?. at the end of the day , hes the only one who can give me an answer ik, but i was hoping to hear some personal experience regarding something like this tbh

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If it's about friendship.

lol.

it's obviously not about friendship. i know you know but it was..too subtle 😄

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😉...hence my first response

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If it's about friendship.

lol.

it's obviously not about friendship. i know you know but it was..too subtle 😄

😉...hence my first response

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hahahahha. you guys wanna make it as if im over here trying to break a relationship. everyone who knows us told me to just let him know how i feel (cause i obvs have some feelings for him now) as they were sure if he had solid ground to stand w me he would and im the one that chose not to. but i do miss his company and believe that we could be friends. I dont want him to break up w his girlfriend cause of me. thats a burden im not willing to bear w

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In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

I guess your virgo guy wanted to have fun with two girls at the same time. But when his original gf got angry about him giving attention to you, he thought he might lose her and that time u were already with your ex. So he became sober. He thought its better to lose one than to lose both of you.

makes sense, but why tell me he values and wants to keep our friendship if hes not gonna act like one?. at the end of the day , hes the only one who can give me an answer ik, but i was hoping to hear some personal experience regarding something like this tbh

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He is a coward thatswhy he dosen't say to you that he don't want you. It dosen't matter how sweet his words are. His action is speaking louder than his words. Virgo men can be hypocrites.

Perhaps, you Virgos can now see why my head is always exploding ..... it's not the gaming ... it's the person's ignorance in believing that the viewing audience is being fooled.


The Good News !! ----- high school is almost back in session, so the children will be called away from dxp soon !!

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

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Sounds like he was just trying to be your friend and you took it as he was interested in more. Of course his gf gives you dirty looks, you wanted more and she saw it plain as day. It's obvious he pushed you back into friend zone and you aren't happy about that.

Just L.O.L

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In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

I guess your virgo guy wanted to have fun with two girls at the same time. But when his original gf got angry about him giving attention to you, he thought he might lose her and that time u were already with your ex. So he became sober. He thought its better to lose one than to lose both of you.

makes sense, but why tell me he values and wants to keep our friendship if hes not gonna act like one?. at the end of the day , hes the only one who can give me an answer ik, but i was hoping to hear some personal experience regarding something like this tbh

He is a coward thatswhy he dosen't say to you that he don't want you. It dosen't matter how sweet his words are. His action is speaking louder than his words. Virgo men can be hypocrites.

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youre absolutely right.im part virgo myself and im straightforward af. maybe i thought he would be like that too. thanks anyway

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In my previous office, there was one virgo guy whom i liked.
I thought he liked me too as he always wanted to sit beside me. He smiled a lot while talking to me and was very shy and soft with me but normal with others. I started developing some feelings for him. Then one day i saw him talking to a girl. She came to meet him in the office. Later i asked him who she was and he said she was his fiancee. I was heartbroken.

but then again he wasnt like that with anyone besides you right? . theyre weird af. he told me really deep things and would always try to hang out. so like tf

I guess your virgo guy wanted to have fun with two girls at the same time. But when his original gf got angry about him giving attention to you, he thought he might lose her and that time u were already with your ex. So he became sober. He thought its better to lose one than to lose both of you.

makes sense, but why tell me he values and wants to keep our friendship if hes not gonna act like one?. at the end of the day , hes the only one who can give me an answer ik, but i was hoping to hear some personal experience regarding something like this tbh

He is a coward thatswhy he dosen't say to you that he don't want you. It dosen't matter how sweet his words are. His action is speaking louder than his words. Virgo men can be hypocrites.

youre absolutely right.im part virgo myself and im straightforward af. maybe i thought he would be like that too. thanks anyway

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You are welcome, dear.

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Posted by Tanya Jones
He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

Sounds like he was just trying to be your friend and you took it as he was interested in more. Of course his gf gives you dirty looks, you wanted more and she saw it plain as day. It's obvious he pushed you back into friend zone and you aren't happy about that.

Just L.O.L

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friend zone? sure cause every friend gets jealous of his friend sitting next to another guy or talking about another guy. friends also insist 24/7 on meeting while they tell you how theyll never forget your voice. and hun, if i had wanted to have something w him i couldve. however im loyal w somebody. more like he got tired of trying to get involved and then all of a sudden his gf from 2 yrs pops up. and no hun, his gf didnt even know who tf i was. so no chance. Get yourself together though, seems like you have some selfsteem issues and wanna take it out on people?. im seeking opinions on why it was ok to be "friends" back then and not now. Lol at you though for looking reassurance in other peoples problems. xxx

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Op, I perfectly read what you said. If it's about friendship, then I'll give you this: my best friend of 25 years is a Virgo male. Guess what? When ever he started dating, he gave minimal time to our friendship and didn't even tell me why...It's perfectly understood. His woman is more important to him. Phone calls went unreturned etc. Could the Virgo have explained that to you? Yeah, but he'll return if he cares. If not, simply keep it moving. You're not going to always get an explanation...even from friends.

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They become tunnel visioned when in love.

@OP: Maybe he was in a long distance relationship with her and she finally moved to your city. He was just being friendly and you just took it the wrong way.

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being a cancer/virgo, i always try to convince myself of the opposite, so no, Friends and classmates even asked us if we were together at the time and i wasnt the one approaching him ever. so yh

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Op, I perfectly read what you said. If it's about friendship, then I'll give you this: my best friend of 25 years is a Virgo male. Guess what? When ever he started dating, he gave minimal time to our friendship and didn't even tell me why...It's perfectly understood. His woman is more important to him. Phone calls went unreturned etc. Could the Virgo have explained that to you? Yeah, but he'll return if he cares. If not, simply keep it moving. You're not going to always get an explanation...even from friends.

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They become tunnel visioned when in love.

@OP: Maybe he was in a long distance relationship with her and she finally moved to your city. He was just being friendly and you just took it the wrong way.

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Thanks love

Posted by kalin
I think Virgo guys can be very jealous. They tell me their girl problems but I can't tell them mine. They get jealous and competitive. I showed one of my Virgo guy friends pictures of a guy I liked who had a killer bod, then he felt threatened and asked me if he should work on his abs or I was ok with the way he is. Anyways, every time I talk about other guys his body tensed and he'd say weird things or act weird so I stopped telling him about other guys. But I know we are just friends. He is just a jealous person.

right. just wondering , whats your sign? , cause this person its atleast attracted to you & youre not even seeing it.

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Op, I perfectly read what you said. If it's about friendship, then I'll give you this: my best friend of 25 years is a Virgo male. Guess what? When ever he started dating, he gave minimal time to our friendship and didn't even tell me why...It's perfectly understood. His woman is more important to him. Phone calls went unreturned etc. Could the Virgo have explained that to you? Yeah, but he'll return if he cares. If not, simply keep it moving. You're not going to always get an explanation...even from friends.

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They become tunnel visioned when in love.

@OP: Maybe he was in a long distance relationship with her and she finally moved to your city. He was just being friendly and you just took it the wrong way.

being a cancer/virgo, i always try to convince myself of the opposite, so no, Friends and classmates even asked us if we were together at the time and i wasnt the one approaching him ever. so yh

But still, maybe he was lonely cuz his gf was far away? Now she's here so he doesn't need friends anymore? Maybe?

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no , she lives 20 mins away from us. lol

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He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

You need to ask him that why did he show his interest towards you while he was already with another girl.

i know he liked me for sure. i felt like asking that q would make things awk, cause it was quite obvious. you dont tell a girl you feel nothing towards. I cant forget your voice and stuff like that. i wonder what goes through his mind now that he agrees to be friends and then stops talking out of nowhere.

Maybe because he knows that you want more than a platonic friendship with him and he is not willing to rock the boat and jeopardise is current relationship. He has a girlfriend. I suggest you get that into your head and MOVE ON!! Sometimes in life you can't always get what you want or the answers to the question. Accept it and MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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has anyone ever listened to your advice? , cause your way of developing it its quite strange. if you try to stand in my shoes for a sec, its not easy to have a friend who no matter how much insisted you did nothing with all of a sudden stop saying hi to you when they see you. look at it how you want, its plain wrong

in conclusion , he deff wasnt trying to be friends at first and i wouldve been fine with it if i wasnt w my ex at the time.
But now it might be a diff story , however some of you women should try to look at it from a more objective and coherent point of view and instead of judging me and trying to downgrade me, stop and tell me how much of a coward he was for flirting tf out of me while he had a girl without me knowing until he got tired of rejection. on the other hand, thank you all for your replies, as it helped me realize what a coward little boy i was worried about.

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Btw, that Virgo roommate stopped talking to me for no reason a week before he had to move to another State for his residency. I knew he was avoiding me cuz every time when he heard me open the door he'd run back into his room and lock the door. I didn't see him at all that whole week cuz he just hid in his room. He did give me a long big hug on the day he moved out and said he'd miss me, but he never talked to me again since. We are still FB friends. He's married now. I think they just do things like that. I don't know why, but that's what they do.

I know it sucks when people just stop talking/responding. I was there. That's how I decided that it's best to not think they are interested even if they act like they are. For your own sanity.

you know what, this is the type of response i wanted from the exact begging. they do it on purpose then, cause he also once thought he had a chance to kiss me but i quickly started doing something else and he picked me up instead. he had a gf (which i didnt know about) and he knew i wasnt giving in. So truth is these men we met are truly cowards . theres no other way to see it / describe it.

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He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

Sounds like he was just trying to be your friend and you took it as he was interested in more. Of course his gf gives you dirty looks, you wanted more and she saw it plain as day. It's obvious he pushed you back into friend zone and you aren't happy about that.

Just L.O.L

friend zone? sure cause every friend gets jealous of his friend sitting next to another guy or talking about another guy. friends also insist 24/7 on meeting while they tell you how theyll never forget your voice. and hun, if i had wanted to have something w him i couldve. however im loyal w somebody. more like he got tired of trying to get involved and then all of a sudden his gf from 2 yrs pops up. and no hun, his gf didnt even know who tf i was. so no chance. Get yourself together though, seems like you have some selfsteem issues and wanna take it out on people?. im seeking opinions on why it was ok to be "friends" back then and not now. Lol at you though for looking reassurance in other peoples problems. xxx

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I would try to have a rational conversation with you but it's obvious from your responses here that you are going to argue and be rude to every one that opposes what you want to hear.

*whispers* i'm not the one seeking reassurance here... that made my night however! 😆

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He has moved on and he likes his new gf more than you.
Forget about him.

problem is when i asked him how long he had been w her he said 2 years. so while he was trying to get with me he was w her.... so he mustn't like her so much

Sounds like he was just trying to be your friend and you took it as he was interested in more. Of course his gf gives you dirty looks, you wanted more and she saw it plain as day. It's obvious he pushed you back into friend zone and you aren't happy about that.

Just L.O.L

friend zone? sure cause every friend gets jealous of his friend sitting next to another guy or talking about another guy. friends also insist 24/7 on meeting while they tell you how theyll never forget your voice. and hun, if i had wanted to have something w him i couldve. however im loyal w somebody. more like he got tired of trying to get involved and then all of a sudden his gf from 2 yrs pops up. and no hun, his gf didnt even know who tf i was. so no chance. Get yourself together though, seems like you have some selfsteem issues and wanna take it out on people?. im seeking opinions on why it was ok to be "friends" back then and not now. Lol at you though for looking reassurance in other peoples problems. xxx

I would try to have a rational conversation with you but it's obvious from your responses here that you are going to argue and be rude to every one that opposes what you want to hear.

*whispers* i'm not the one seeking reassurance here... that made my night however! 😆

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you know what? youre right. The one that clearly failed at explaining the situation was me. I do suck at explaining and i guess i focused more on making the points i was trying to get answers from more than explaining the situation/story properly. And im not too proud to admit it. However i didnt come here to seek reassurance, as everybody that knows the both of us has already told m

*me he was crushing on me, but rather seeking advice from personal experience or virgo males themselves. Again i failed at delivering the message, but i do stand firm when i say that people shouldnt take advantage of situations like this to downgrade others, cause lets be honest. None of us are perfect , so lets not pretend to be so .