where does your loyalty reside?

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Is it to your friends or boyfriend?

I got so pissed off with my virgo gal pal. Once again she gets with guys wo totally run her show. First it was an aries, then a scorp, and now a leo.

Anytime leo gets upset, he throws a temper tantrum and she caves. All the time.

im so sick of it. Like where the fuck is your backbone?

She chose the damn scorpio over her friends and came crawling back when shit went south. I used to like this leo but he is just as controlling as the scorp.

As the maidens of the zodiac, why cant you tell your master to fuck off and take your friends side for once?
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Me, leo, and virgo had plans to go away 4 the night. I never felt like the 3rd wheel till tonight. First her and this broke leo are fighting in the car. I tell the leo, he can take me back to my car and k will meet them out there.

He does it with an attitude. Look here, I aint your gf. I do t have to do what u want me to do.

I get to the beach and grab the last 3 chaises and umbrella. I let her know and she said they were checking in. Cool beans. Im waiting on you guys for the 1st drink. 20 mins go by. I text again asking where they are and if theyre having hanky panky. She says no, shes taking a shit.

Another hour goes by. Wtf. This shit is mad rude yo. I call her 10 times and text her they are both being very rude! They finalky make their way down and I tell her straight up that they were both being very rude. She gets snarky at me and puts 2 lies/2excuses both in the same sentence. I didnt say another word to neither one of them.

then she finally realizes her snafu and asks me if I wanna go ride jet skis instead of actually apologizing.

hell no ho I dont wanna ride jet skis with you.
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It's not about having a backbone.

A Libra with a lot of Scorpio placements told me once "You know at some point..friendship will cease to exist as you know it. Your friends will get married, you will get married..your loyalty lies with your spouse first above all. And if they're smart people, they'll get that because their loyalty will also lie with their spouses"

So when I am in a relationship, that is the thing that takes center stage for me. All my friends do stuff the same way. We don't vanish out of each other's life but we're each focused on our partners first. When I go back to them it's not because shit went south and they're a comfort blanket or a second choice, it's because I have more time to spend with them. I never cease contact but we don't run into each other as often.

With me it's a progression, you won't get to see me much or hear from me while I am at the beginning of something I see going somewhere (not just casual dating)..because my whole focus is on what this guy's about and if we mesh well. Then as we settle into it..I pick things up from where I left them with my friends and spend more time.

I've never had a direct argument between me and my friends. However would make me pick a side wouldn't understand me. My Aries friend's Cap Ex once had an argument against me and other friends of hers. She looked at us embarrassed and I could tell she knew we were right. But she followed him, as she should have. And if we're her friends, we get that..we don't try to put her between a rock and a hard place.

Obviously it depends a lot on the argument involved but a friend would step down and would let you come to your senses. It wouldn't be "us versus her partner", it would be..how can we all go along and fit in her life..there's space for everyone.
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For the record, she has told me herself that she has never shit in front of her bf. Ever. She made up some bs story about her phone being dead although it rang the 10 times I called.

totally fuckin inconsiderate.

then she wanna go on texting me what theyre doing every hour on the hour. Oh NOW u want to include me. Gurl bye.

I added a new DONT to my list. DONT go out with couples, theyre fuckin rude to other people. Exist in their own bubble.
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DMV, sags are notorious for not being punctual. This whole "another hour goes by".."this shit is mad rude"..umm..all mutables get sidetracked with time. I'm sure it happened to you a time or two.

They were obviously fighting and were immersed into what was going on between them. I get why you felt like the 3rd wheel but you could've enjoyed yourself..understanding it's not personal and it has nothing to do with you. Ignoring them and doing your thing.

I've seen friends get into a fight and I just stood away from it. It had nothing to do with me so why would I add stress on a friend who's obviously in the midst of something stressful? She cannot focus on me and me throwing a fit there wouldn't help.

She was rude, you were selfish (in what was concerning your need to be acknowledged by them, not in general)
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There should be a balance with friends and a significant other...of course you're going to spend more time with the significant other in the beginning but you shouldn't ignore your friends because you got a new SO. They come and go (even spouses) but real true friends (key words) last a life time....unless you keep ditching them for every SO you get in your life and they finally get tired of the bs.
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They were obviously fighting and were immersed into what was going on between them. I get why you felt like the 3rd wheel but you could've enjoyed yourself..understanding it's not personal and it has nothing to do with you. Ignoring them and doing your thing.



This being said, couples who make a spectacle of their fighting shouldn't involve others by proxy because it makes people uncomfortable.

They at least didn't fight in your face and went to some other place..even though the night/day was ruined at that point.
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^^this
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First her and this broke leo are fighting in the car. I tell the leo, he can take me back to my car and k will meet them out there.



I'm trying to picture myself in this scenario..I am in the car with my boyfriend fighting ..this is going on for only a couple of minutes..half hour maximum since you said he took you back to your car. I am already stressed out and my friend cannot wait for a half an hour in the back, until I calm the atmosphere...they go "ok take me back to my car". If you wanted to make a point about this, you would've called it a night right there. You proceed and you carry the anger with you to wherever you're going. So at this point she's fighting both her boyfriend and your attitude. Both you and the Leo seem selfish about it..because she cannot appease both at the same time so someone will feel slighted.

Her fault in this is not calling it a night when the fighting broke. She should've looked back at you and said "Ok, maybe we should do this other time. I'm sorry for this scene you're witnessing" and then turned to him "I am not going to fight with you in public". Then went home.
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Posted by LostinmyMind11
There should be a balance with friends and a significant other...of course you're going to spend more time with the significant other in the beginning but you shouldn't ignore your friends because you got a new SO. They come and go (even spouses) but real true friends (key words) last a life time....unless you keep ditching them for every SO you get in your life and they finally get tired of the bs.



i agree. i hope my virgo daughter doesn't treat her friends like crap for her partner. she going to make me pull out my belt.
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Posted by HeartOfALioN
You said your friends would take a backseat to your SO.



Yes, SO. Not fleeting romance, which is what is implied in this topic. Topic isn't limited to people who jump from one fleeting thing to the next and only bother to check their friends in between.

Also, SO taking a front seat =/= treating friends like crap. It isn't either/or where your partner is the most awesome person in existence and your friends are just the dirt on the sole of your feet.

Long term thinking..

1) Your long term partner will be your best friend. When it comes to that, it's not only lover but best friend.

2) Your long term partner will get along with your friend. And if they don't, if all people are mature enough, there won't be a conflict in dividing time.

3) At some point you (general you) and all your friends will be paired up. You'll have families. A natural distance will occur. Has nothing to do with not giving a fuck about friends, rather giving a lot of fucks about friends since you understand that's how life goes. These won't be the people you'll discuss your every day with..it will be your SO and your family.

4) Most of your time will be spent with your SO and your family.

Friendship evolves at some point and it's no longer about being constantly in contact. You enjoy each other when you run into each other and keep in touch, while living your life. This being said, I have friendships that span half my current age. I'm really lucky because we see eye to eye on this.

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You said your friends would take a backseat to your SO.



Yes, SO. Not fleeting romance, which is what is implied in this topic. Topic isn't limited to people who jump from one fleeting thing to the next and only bother to check their friends in between.

Also, SO taking a front seat =/= treating friends like crap. It isn't either/or where your partner is the most awesome person in existence and your friends are just the dirt on the sole of your feet.

Long term thinking..

1) Your long term partner will be your best friend. When it comes to that, it's not only lover but best friend.

2) Your long term partner will get along with your friend. And if they don't, if all people are mature enough, there won't be a conflict in dividing time.

3) At some point you (general you) and all your friends will be paired up. You'll have families. A natural distance will occur. Has nothing to do with not giving a fuck about friends, rather giving a lot of fucks about friends since you understand that's how life goes. These won't be the people you'll discuss your every day with..it will be your SO and your family.

4) Most of your time will be spent with your SO and your family.

Friendship evolves at some point and it's no longer about being constantly in contact. You enjoy each other when you run into each other and keep in touch, while living your life. This being said, I have friendships that span half my current age. I'm really lucky because we see eye to eye on this.

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So your friends aren't your family? I call bullshit. and even if you are with your SO for a long time, that just doubles the amount of time your girlfriend's are in your life as well. all of this you explained sounds like you're dictating how life will expand. "its gonna go like this then, its going to go like that" lol. might as well start calling you "damnata the prophet" lol. one thing i learned about life is that it never goes how you planned it and the only constant variables are problems and this is coming from your own kind(virgo). but since you have file cabinets of future events and possibly a crystal ball, a natural distance doesn't have to occur between you and your friends. how about trying to control that? so it wont happen ?
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"Friendship evolves at some point and it's no longer about being constantly in contact. You enjoy each other when you run into each other and keep in touch, while living your life."

+1



i take it friends aren't apart of your life anymore? just hi and bye? what in the heavens is wrong with you women and keeping up with friends these days? maybe people need to redo the word "bff" into just "bf until you can find a man".
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Posted by HeartOfALioN

So your friends aren't your family? I call bullshit. and even if you are with your SO for a long time, that just doubles the amount of time your girlfriend's are in your life as well. all of this you explained sounds like you're dictating how life will expand. "its gonna go like this then, its going to go like that" lol. might as well start calling you "damnata the prophet" lol. one thing i learned about life is that it never goes how you planned it and the only constant variables are problems and this is coming from your own kind(virgo). but since you have file cabinets of future events and possibly a crystal ball, a natural distance doesn't have to occur between you and your friends. how about trying to control that? so it wont happen ?



How about not trying to control anything? The dynamics keep changing.

Why are you getting so defensive? I just explained how things go from my perspective. Share your vision if you feel so inclined. Insults are a dime a dozen.

Or you know, don't. Only expressing my opinion. You can go back to pulling your belt, if your daughter will not share your view of life.
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I'm not getting defensive im laughing. I find it kind of hilarious. the pull my belt comment was an expression meaning when she gets older im going have a chat with her. im sorry you took that prophet thing as an insult because i thought you would laugh too.



I did laugh..at the part with God and my long term thinking. I did struck a deal a while ago though..

Who knows? Maybe we're all dead and this site is the purgatory.
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I'm not getting defensive im laughing. I find it kind of hilarious. the pull my belt comment was an expression meaning when she gets older im going have a chat with her. im sorry you took that prophet thing as an insult because i thought you would laugh too.



I did laugh..at the part with God and my long term thinking. I did struck a deal a while ago though..

Who knows? Maybe we're all dead and this site is the purgatory.
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i hope not cause then i gotta get the hell up out of here lol
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Posted by DMV

Is it to your friends or boyfriend?

I got so pissed off with my virgo gal pal. Once again she gets with guys wo totally run her show. First it was an aries, then a scorp, and now a leo.

im so sick of it.






Aries, Scorp and Leo are notorious for being extremely jealous people of their partners. They want all of the attention or the throw fits ... so, she does show a pattern here.

The assumption here is that she is very insecure of herself with low self esteem .... this is why she chooses men who are jealous - because it makes her feel special.

How sad, really.

You have to look at this from her perspective to get it .... by being with you, as friends, in doing stuff together - makes these kind of men jealous. So, you sitting out there under the umbrella waiting on her, served to add more fuel to Leo's fire, in so that you are used to create this emotion in the man so that he will rage = makes her feel special enough that he would fight for her attention.

The bottom line here = you're being used by her, so that she can get the man to fight for her attention. This is the reason why she leads you to believe she wants to be with you, and then takes the man's side, so that he feels like he has conquered her.

You can't win this, because you're not a contestant ... you're a prop.
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P Angel nails it once again.

Its ironic that you say that. I do feel jealous vibes coming from him AND me. But I check mine and go do something else and let them be. I recognize the relationship and respect it. But Im not going to tolerate being ignored for the sake of him not throwing another temper tantrum. Ignoring me to avoid confrontation from him will not do.

At the beach, I left them to their own devices and did me. Still had a good time.

No ultimatums from DMV. I know where this shit is heading already.
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DMV, sags are notorious for not being punctual. This whole "another hour goes by".."this shit is mad rude"..umm..all mutables get sidetracked with time. I'm sure it happened to you a time or two.

They were obviously fighting and were immersed into what was going on between them. I get why you felt like the 3rd wheel but you could've enjoyed yourself..understanding it's not personal and it has nothing to do with you. Ignoring them and doing your thing.

I've seen friends get into a fight and I just stood away from it. It had nothing to do with me so why would I add stress on a friend who's obviously in the midst of something stressful? She cannot focus on me and me throwing a fit there wouldn't help.

She was rude, you were selfish (in what was concerning your need to be acknowledged by them, not in general)



I really dont believe I was selfish. Its not about being acknowledged. Its about respecting the fact that you invited ME to come with you and then you wanna hide out and ignore me? If there was hanky panky, just say so. I would have respected that. Ignore me, and we got a problem. Try to extend an olive branch in thr form of a 50 dollar jetski ride when an apology is free is a definite problem.
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This being said, couples who make a spectacle of their fighting shouldn't involve others by proxy because it makes people uncomfortable.

They at least didn't fight in your face and went to some other place..even though the night/day was ruined at that point.



they go at it often and I walk away. He tries to engage me in their squabbles for support and I run away. He likes to gang up on her and that shit aint cool. I tell him to leave me out of it. At first I thought he was being funny, but then I caught on that he does that to embaress her into doing what he says.

when its convenient for him, everythings gravy. But like what P Angel said, he can be a real fuckin brat when she goes off and does something for me. When she told him to turn the car around FOR ME, that probably enraged him. I dont owe shit to that Leo.
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Virgo women are very popular with needy men, I've noticed.



It's the martyr syndrome inherent in [most] all of us. :/

But one has to wonder - do our partners act like this before we start dating them? Or does dating us cause it to be activated?



Boundaries dude. It doesn't matter. You have to create boundaries.
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yeah
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Is it to your friends or boyfriend?

I got so pissed off with my virgo gal pal. Once again she gets with guys wo totally run her show. First it was an aries, then a scorp, and now a leo.

im so sick of it.






Aries, Scorp and Leo are notorious for being extremely jealous people of their partners. They want all of the attention or the throw fits ... so, she does show a pattern here.

The assumption here is that she is very insecure of herself with low self esteem .... this is why she chooses men who are jealous - because it makes her feel special.

How sad, really.

You have to look at this from her perspective to get it .... by being with you, as friends, in doing stuff together - makes these kind of men jealous. So, you sitting out there under the umbrella waiting on her, served to add more fuel to Leo's fire, in so that you are used to create this emotion in the man so that he will rage = makes her feel special enough that he would fight for her attention.

The bottom line here = you're being used by her, so that she can get the man to fight for her attention. This is the reason why she leads you to believe she wants to be with you, and then takes the man's side, so that he feels like he has conquered her.

You can't win this, because you're not a contestant ... you're a prop.
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bump.

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I bumped this particular post because there is something more to this story. Shit has gotten real.

Ok. I think she's in an abusive relationship, again. AND im trying to bring it up for real this time without sounding like a whining friend.

After that weekend, I brought up to her if she feels like she goes after controlling men. She actually said yes. In a way, it makes her feel wanted. Look, i can relate. Ive been there myself.

But now Im not the only one noticing that something is OFF between the Leo and Virgo. Our Aries friend also sees it.

The girl has bruises that she keeps making up stories about and me and the Aries have to compare stories to get the whole truth. She never tells both of us the same thing. This is like mutliple occasions where she has bruises. Its really starting to piss me off. I wasnt Team Leo after that trip and i damn sure aint now!

He also verbally abuses her. At first, I thought he was just playing when he would point out her flaws. Shit, i would laugh. Then i figured out that he wanted to only humiliate her and i stopped feeding the pig. I only now praise him when he does nice things.

I brought her flowers on sat because it was the only way i could sneak a flask into the bar and he kept going on and on about how i was making him look bad. It was because he didnt buy her jack shit for her bday. Not even flowers. then she made up some story, covering for him yet again, that they dont do gifts. If he $ $ aint right, do something nice. tangible. But no, he huffs and puffs whenever he has to go out of his way for her. BUT she is EXPECTED to go her way for him.

he makes her feel bad for the dumbest of shit. Like, he made her feel bad that she didnt take enough pictures with him over the weekend.

im bout to beat his ass. We can go toe to toe in a real fight.

Again, this is not our first time at the rodeo with her and abusive men. How do we bring this shit up again without sounding like bitches.

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DMV, it might be time for you to step away from this friendship.

I was in the same situation with a friend. I couldn't look at her and see bruises and have her acknowledge straight up her boyfriend is beating her up..yet still stay by him. It's her choice and I choose to respect it..had to end the friendship because it hurt me to see her like that and at the same time I had to respect her choice. I only hope we will reconnect at some point in time..if it's still doable. I wished her the best and that was it.

My point is..no message will get through to her and if it's upsetting you, you need to detach from this.
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DMV, it might be time for you to step away from this friendship.

I was in the same situation with a friend. I couldn't look at her and see bruises and have her acknowledge straight up her boyfriend is beating her up..yet still stay by him. It's her choice and I choose to respect it..had to end the friendship because it hurt me to see her like that and at the same time I had to respect her choice. I only hope we will reconnect at some point in time..if it's still doable. I wished her the best and that was it.

My point is..no message will get through to her and if it's upsetting you, you need to detach from this.