Is it safe to say it is over with this Leo man?

I'm really starting to think Leo men are actually worse than Pisces and that's a huge statement!

His placements: Leo Sun/Virgo Moon/Cancer Venus

Mine: Scorpio Sun/Gemini Moon/Scorpio Venus

Long story short (as I've already posted many times about him):

We've know each other for two years. We worked in the same company (he already liked me then). Then, I moved to another country. He moved to the same country. We reconnected last October.

The first date was great. The second one was horrible as we got into a fight and he walked out on me. The third date was awkward since I was still mad at him and he tried to kiss me ... I told him I wanted to take it slow. I sent him a text to explain I was nervous so on and so forth, he said he wasn't mad and was looking forward to seeing me again.

He went home for a month during which he did not get in touch with me at all. I got in touch with him two days before he came back. He replied, but when I replied to his text, he left it at that.

I waited two weeks. Nothing. I texted him to ask if he wanted to go out. He agreed and we talked a bit.

When we met up, I was the one who went for the kiss as I wanted to. He said: 'You really wanted to see me huh?'. He kissed me a few times on the way to the movies. When we got there, he hand his hand on my leg the entire time (even when I tried to move) and held my hand at some point. He kissed me many times. Funny thing, he took my hand to place it on his chest.

Anyway. When we got out of the theater, he didn't kiss me or held my hand. He wanted me to hold his arm. Fine, not what I was expecting but ok. Then, he told me: 'I can walk you to XYZ street if you want..' (we live in a massive city, cars aren't the best option). The 'if you want' wasn't fine with me. It's midnight and the 'if you want' makes him sound like he cannot be bothered. Then, he wanted to catch the last subway home, so he kissed me and wouldn't let me go. But then he said 'Let me go, I'm going to miss my train'. I got slightly annoyed as he was the one kissing me!

I texted him saying 'thank you' for the date. Now, I haven't heard from him.

I got hurt so many times, that I could be overthinking every detail. But I find this whole thing strange. I know he's not overly experienced with girls (he's 23), but I'm still underwhelmed.

Is he even interested or am I setting myself up for disappointment?

From my perspective, it seems like you are because he keeps blowing you off. He's being hot/cold with you and just stringing you along. I don't think you're overthinking. You're right to ask if he is interested. But I just think that you don't deserve to put up with this behaviour. You do deserve a guy that wouldn't do this to you and would treat you better.

Sending hugs (((hugs)))

Hahahah, this may be easier than you'd think. I only laugh because his Virgo Moon is messing with him. I can't speak to his Cancer Venus, but I have similar placements. I've also dated a Scorpio in the past and it's kinda a roller coaster. When it's good it AWESOME, when it's bad, it's TERRIBLE!

Leo Sun/Virgo Moon: The first thing to know about us is that we are in our own heads A LOT. We are bit more grounded in our decision making and as a result we are crazy perfectionists. We try to do EVERYTHING perfectly. We have the extroverted nature of a Leo, but tend to watch our steps a bit more than a typical Leo. We can also be very, VERY critical because we are perfectionists. Unlike Virgo suns, Virgo Moons dont strive for perfection, we know how to make it happen and can be very much in our own heads. Then add the ego of a Leo on top. We also love more by doing more "little" things as opposed to the typical Leonian "grand gesture".

If I had to guess your second date's argument was either one of jealousy or because he was trying to be traditional and it didn't vibe with you. That's his perfectionist nature coming through, which for you may come across as controlling to you, which is a no-no for a Scorpio. Scorpios like to control, not be controlled. What you'll need to understand is that his Virgo moon comes with a certain amount of insecurity. So his actions may come across as hot/cold because he isn't sure about you. On top of that his Leo pride will give him pause as he waits for you to come to him enough times to make your motives clear. His Leo side will be stubborn about this so he'll need to see your motives several times consistently. He's basically looking for a pattern or (even better) for you to drop the mystery and lay it all on the table (again a Scorpio no-no).

My advice is to drop more of the mystery than you are used to with other signs. It will help him understand you faster and make him more secure. Also don't expect him to speak with you emotionally as he is more of a logical/practical sign. He loves by trying to help or "perfect you". It isn't a means for control so much as it is a means to help you be the best you. As a Scorpio you may see it as controlling or nagging, but he actually means well. He is just a person who sees everything/everyone as "a work in progress".

To translate some of his actions/ words for you:

What He Said: "You missed me huh"

What You Heard: "Yeah I'm that cool, of course you missed me, they ALL do."

What He Meant: "I wasn't entirely 100% sure if you liked me, you initiating a kiss is a good thing. I will remember this along with the other times you kissed me and stow this away in my memories. It shows that I am appreciated, which is good because I was skeptical, but I'd never tell you that because of my Leonian pride, but my Virgo side was worried..."

What He Said: "I can walk you to XYZ street if you want.."

What You Heard: "I can't be bothered to walk you, I have other things that need my attention..."

What He Meant: "If you'd like, I would very much like to escort you home. I dont want to be clingy, but I am a gentleman. So if you'd like my company for a little longer, I'll gladly give it."

What He Said: "Let me go, I'm going to miss my train"

What You Heard: "Alright get off me, I'm done and you're now inconveniencing me!"

What He Meant: "I like you too! I had a great time and appreciate the affection, but I should go because if I miss my train I may not make it home in time to do (insert laundry list of things he's concerned about that he wont ever tell you)"

One thing to note is that he is a Fire Sun with an Earth Moon. You are a Water Sun with an Air Moon. You two may find relation to one another difficult. Luckily Virgo Moon's will tend to compromise a bit to make the other person happy. Tips though, avoid mystery and try not to do anything that will make him jealous. Leo Sun/Virgo Moon = Very proud worry wart. He's constantly second guessing your actions in his head ad well as his own. He is constantly replaying every moment in his head from the last time he saw you. He's only sure about you when his lips are next to yours. Give him time and he'll be ferociously loyal to you.

You can tell I'm a Virgo Moon from that laundry list of info I just typed. Short answer is "No, it's not over unless you want it to be."

Posted by Chuckcem
Hahahah, this may be easier than you'd think. I only laugh because his Virgo Moon is messing with him. I can't speak to his Cancer Venus, but I have similar placements. I've also dated a Scorpio in the past and it's kinda a roller coaster. When it's good it AWESOME, when it's bad, it's TERRIBLE!

Leo Sun/Virgo Moon: The first thing to know about us is that we are in our own heads A LOT. We are bit more grounded in our decision making and as a result we are crazy perfectionists. We try to do EVERYTHING perfectly. We have the extroverted nature of a Leo, but tend to watch our steps a bit more than a typical Leo. We can also be very, VERY critical because we are perfectionists. Unlike Virgo suns, Virgo Moons dont strive for perfection, we know how to make it happen and can be very much in our own heads. Then add the ego of a Leo on top. We also love more by doing more "little" things as opposed to the typical Leonian "grand gesture".

If I had to guess your second date's argument was either one of jealousy or because he was trying to be traditional and it didn't vibe with you. That's his perfectionist nature coming through, which for you may come across as controlling to you, which is a no-no for a Scorpio. Scorpios like to control, not be controlled. What you'll need to understand is that his Virgo moon comes with a certain amount of insecurity. So his actions may come across as hot/cold because he isn't sure about you. On top of that his Leo pride will give him pause as he waits for you to come to him enough times to make your motives clear. His Leo side will be stubborn about this so he'll need to see your motives several times consistently. He's basically looking for a pattern or (even better) for you to drop the mystery and lay it all on the table (again a Scorpio no-no).

My advice is to drop more of the mystery than you are used to with other signs. It will help him understand you faster and make him more secure. Also don't expect him to speak with you emotionally as he is more of a logical/practical sign. He loves by trying to help or "perfect you". It isn't a means for control so much as it is a means to help you be the best you. As a Scorpio you may see it as controlling or nagging, but he actually means well. He is just a person who sees everything/everyone as "a work in progress".

To translate some of his actions/ words for you:

What He Said: "You missed me huh"

What You Heard: "Yeah I'm that cool, of course you missed me, they ALL do."

What He Meant: "I wasn't entirely 100% sure if you liked me, you initiating a kiss is a good thing. I will remember this along with the other times you kissed me and stow this away in my memories. It shows that I am appreciated, which is good because I was skeptical, but I'd never tell you that because of my Leonian pride, but my Virgo side was worried..."

What He Said: "I can walk you to XYZ street if you want.."

What You Heard: "I can't be bothered to walk you, I have other things that need my attention..."

What He Meant: "If you'd like, I would very much like to escort you home. I dont want to be clingy, but I am a gentleman. So if you'd like my company for a little longer, I'll gladly give it."

What He Said: "Let me go, I'm going to miss my train"

What You Heard: "Alright get off me, I'm done and you're now inconveniencing me!"

What He Meant: "I like you too! I had a great time and appreciate the affection, but I should go because if I miss my train I may not make it home in time to do (insert laundry list of things he's concerned about that he wont ever tell you)"

One thing to note is that he is a Fire Sun with an Earth Moon. You are a Water Sun with an Air Moon. You two may find relation to one another difficult. Luckily Virgo Moon's will tend to compromise a bit to make the other person happy. Tips though, avoid mystery and try not to do anything that will make him jealous. Leo Sun/Virgo Moon = Very proud worry wart. He's constantly second guessing your actions in his head ad well as his own. He is constantly replaying every moment in his head from the last time he saw you. He's only sure about you when his lips are next to yours. Give him time and he'll be ferociously loyal to you.

Oh my god !

I have so much to agree here. My husband is leo with virgo moon and what you said fits him so much .

The first thing to know about us is that we are in our own heads A LOT. We are bit more grounded in our decision making and as a result we are crazy perfectionists. We try to do EVERYTHING perfectly. We have the extroverted nature of a Leo, but tend to watch our steps a bit more than a typical Leo. We can also be very, VERY critical because we are perfectionists. Unlike Virgo suns, Virgo Moons dont strive for perfection, we know how to make it happen and can be very much in our own heads. Then add the ego of a Leo on top. We also love more by doing more "little" things as opposed to the typical Leonian "grand gesture".

He loves by trying to help or "perfect you". It isn't a means for control so much as it is a means to help you be the best you.

try not to do anything that will make him jealous. Leo Sun/Virgo Moon = Very proud worry wart.

He is exactly this . Just a thing though ...too much of criticism gets suffocating . And if its combined with the over confidence of always being right then its even more suffocating .

Perfectionist and critical to the core. And I would wonder whatever happened to the chilled out facade of a leo .

I have a question.... are leos with virgo moon prone to depression ,non medical but too much of low phases?

Thank you so much for this very in-depth analysis of the situation. I truly appreciate it. I now understand him a bit more.

He actually talk about a lot of things like laundry, his finances (he's in college and opened up about his struggles - which is odd since he used to brag about his parents' money), and other issues.

The issue is that I do not know what to do now. I was told to let it go since he didn't reach out to me afterwards. I mean, I believe that it is for him now to make the next step. I threw myself at him and initiated the first kiss. He knows I like him. I don't know what else he wants as evidence of my interest.

Maybe he just lost interest or he didn't like the kiss? I'm confused and slightly hurt because it was a huge step for me to initiate this kiss. Honestly, I'm on the traditional side of things and I figured since I rejected his first attempt, I had to make up for it.

I absolutely do not want it to be over, but his lack of communication in the past week means he might not want to see me again ... He used to text me all day long and ever since I rejected his kiss, he's been distant. I made a real effort by kissing him first.

He's also 23 and has little experience with women. He opened up about being rejected many many times. He chased me a lot when we worked together. I was more on the 'reserved' side. I'm 26 by the way.

I'm confused as to what the next step is. I'm afraid he will find someone else ... though he kept telling me I was the most interesting and intelligent woman he's ever met. I'm scared I just messed it all up 😢 I really care about him.

I mean surely, after a first kiss, the interest in each other should grow and so does communication ...

@ Op

I am cap , sag moon married to leo with virgo moon, virgo venus , cancer mars

When i first started to see him , there were many hot n cold duration . Even before i started to see him we would not talk for days inspite of having interest in each other. He would call me himself and say that he is around and coming to see me and then would cancel minutes later . That would irritate me as i didnt ask him to meet me so why make plans and cancel.

He had too much of pretending to be casual approach . The leo pride shouldnt be hurt 😉 . When we just newly become friends , he once called saying that he is going to this place and since my home is on the way , would i like meet him for some time. I said yes . When he came ...we couldnt stop talking , so he invited me to join him with his friends . I went with him and when i met them i got to know (through his friends) that he was already with them and he drove all the way just to meet me. Not what he said that he was just passing by .

I was told to let it go since he didn't reach out to me afterwards.

Its been how many days ?

Honestly i would personally not reach out. You initiated , you showed interest so ball is in his court . But i would also not draw conclusions so fast.

Posted by marshmallow
@ Op

I am cap , sag moon married to leo with virgo moon, virgo venus , cancer mars

When i first started to see him , there were many hot n cold duration . Even before i started to see him we would not talk for days inspite of having interest in each other. He would call me himself and say that he is around and coming to see me and then would cancel minutes later . That would irritate me as i didnt ask him to meet me so why make plans and cancel.

He had too much of pretending to be casual approach . The leo pride shouldnt be hurt 😉 . When we just newly become friends , he once called saying that he is going to this place and since my home is on the way , would i like meet him for some time. I said yes . When he came ...we couldnt stop talking , so he invited me to join him with his friends . I went with him and when i met them i got to know (through his friends) that he was already with them and he drove all the way just to meet me. Not what he said that he was just passing by .

I was told to let it go since he didn't reach out to me afterwards.

Its been how many days ?

Honestly i would personally not reach out. You initiated , you showed interest so ball is in his court . But i would also not draw conclusions so fast.

This sounds exactly like this Leo man!

We reconnected in October, started talking ... we texted an entire night, then I asked him a question to which he didn't reply ... He didn't reply to me for three weeks! I was so hurt. He left the conversation right there. I didn't hear from him for three weeks, then he randomly asked me whether I wanted to grab dinner at the last minute. I said fine, since it wasn't a date in my eyes. Turns out he brought his friend with him and couldn't stop bragging about me to his friend!

Alright. I texted him saying 'Thank you', he replied we kept on talking ... then he bombarded me with messages every single day until we fought. I texted him after our fight, no response for three weeks again. He came back with an apology. We saw each other again ..

I think you get the drill now. However, he plain told me he was scared of me. He repeated this many times. He said I was 'intimidating'.

Tomorrow marks a week.

In all honesty, I expected at least a text the following day. Nothing. I won't reach out. I asked him out and initiated the kiss. To be fair, he should know I'm interested. I think it doesn't have much to do with my interest at this stage. There's something going on on his end.

Posted by TrueBlessings

Posted by marshmallow
@ Op

I am cap , sag moon married to leo with virgo moon, virgo venus , cancer mars

When i first started to see him , there were many hot n cold duration . Even before i started to see him we would not talk for days inspite of having interest in each other. He would call me himself and say that he is around and coming to see me and then would cancel minutes later . That would irritate me as i didnt ask him to meet me so why make plans and cancel.

He had too much of pretending to be casual approach . The leo pride shouldnt be hurt 😉 . When we just newly become friends , he once called saying that he is going to this place and since my home is on the way , would i like meet him for some time. I said yes . When he came ...we couldnt stop talking , so he invited me to join him with his friends . I went with him and when i met them i got to know (through his friends) that he was already with them and he drove all the way just to meet me. Not what he said that he was just passing by .

I was told to let it go since he didn't reach out to me afterwards.

Its been how many days ?

Honestly i would personally not reach out. You initiated , you showed interest so ball is in his court . But i would also not draw conclusions so fast.

This sounds exactly like this Leo man!

We reconnected in October, started talking ... we texted an entire night, then I asked him a question to which he didn't reply ... He didn't reply to me for three weeks! I was so hurt. He left the conversation right there. I didn't hear from him for three weeks, then he randomly asked me whether I wanted to grab dinner at the last minute. I said fine, since it wasn't a date in my eyes. Turns out he brought his friend with him and couldn't stop bragging about me to his friend!

Alright. I texted him saying 'Thank you', he replied we kept on talking ... then he bombarded me with messages every single day until we fought. I texted him after our fight, no response for three weeks again. He came back with an apology. We saw each other again ..

I think you get the drill now. However, he plain told me he was scared of me. He repeated this many times. He said I was 'intimidating'.

Tomorrow marks a week.

In all honesty, I expected at least a text the following day. Nothing. I won't reach out. I asked him out and initiated the kiss. To be fair, he should know I'm interested. I think it doesn't have much to do with my interest at this stage. There's something going on on his end.

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Let him do his mind work or what ever he is doing . He will surely contact if he is genuinely interested ..you dont have to worry as you have already made your interest clear .

"then I asked him a question to which he didn't reply ... He didn't reply to me for three weeks! I was so hurt"

he could be forgetful like my leo husband 😆

In all honesty, I expected at least a text the following day.

Yes atleast after a kiss one would expect .

Follow up after dates are important. Otherwise other person gets confused .

I think I'm more worried about him not being interested anymore, than I am about me showing him my interest.

The lack of communication after the date is a clear sign in my opinion, especially once you have established a sort of physical 'closeness'.

I don't have much to hope for at this stage. I have to be honest with myself 🙂

In my opinion, since I was the one to reach out to him right after the date to say 'Thank you', he should make the next step.

I really cannot see why he'd expect me to contact him first?! After all, I'm the one who asked him out last, I'm the one who kissed him first, I'm the one who texted 'Thank you' after the date ... In my opinion, my contribution ends there.

He is intimidated by you?

He doesn't sound man enough for you

Posted by MyStarsShine
He is intimidated by you?

He doesn't sound man enough for you

I don't know. It's what he said, many, many times.

Mind you, he invited his friend on our first date ... This says enough about how scared he was.

Posted by TrueBlessings

Posted by MyStarsShine
He is intimidated by you?

He doesn't sound man enough for you

I don't know. It's what he said, many, many times.

Mind you, he invited his friend on our first date ... This says enough about how scared he was.

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OMG

He is the cowardly lion from Wizard of Oz

Scorpio women need strong men.....how do you tolerate him?

Posted by marshmallow


He is exactly this . Just a thing though ...too much of criticism gets suffocating . And if its combined with the over confidence of always being right then its even more suffocating .

Perfectionist and critical to the core. And I would wonder whatever happened to the chilled out facade of a leo .

I have a question.... are leos with virgo moon prone to depression ,non medical but too much of low phases?

He can be, I wouldn't blame this solely on his placements though. We can over analyze, but the Leo side generally can bring us out of a funk. THAT being said, we can also feel HARD and become "mopey". The Virgo Moon and Leo pride won't allow us to show it though, so we just seem less vibrant. If we have someone to talk to about our issues that can help. Generally speaking a Leo Sun/Virgo Moon is happy if they have things (like their job) together. If the financial situation is solid that means we are stable, which we crave. Generally everything else for us can fall into place from there.

Posted by MyStarsShine
He is intimidated by you?

He doesn't sound man enough for you

He's not so much intimidated by her as he is by the situation. He doesn't want to do the wrong thing and look like a fool. Let me put it this way. A Leo Man with a Virgo Moon is more like a dog or even puppy you need to train. Super loyal and always coming from a helpful place (instead of a malicious one). He'll need more reassurance before he starts making all of the moves. The pro here is that once he's comfortable you'll have a very affectionate love on your hands, until then he'll come across as cold as he grows to trust you.

Ever have a puppy that is scared to leave a part of the house? It's kinda like that. Once he is comfortable though he'll run around, protect you, and pee on everything. That can sound like a handful, but you can also always gently reign him in too. One thing about Virgo Moon Leos is that yes we are proud, but we are so worried that our actions can be misinterpreted that we are willing to change if someone we care about is hurt by them.

@TrueBlessings

When I say consistent, you may have to "first" kiss him a few times for him to start taking the initiative. You may even have to hint at/tell him what you want. For example the last girl I date had to basically tell me she wanted me to text/call her more 3 or 4 times before I actually did it. I'm not big on texting and I didn't want to give up my mysterious facade so quickly, since she was initially attracted by it. After the 3rd or 4th request I acquiesced and made my communication more consistent. Basically We just don't want to look like fools in case we are wrong.

One more thing to know is that Virgo Moons are all "well researched". Meaning if he is young and inexperienced he has already Googled "How to Get A Girlfriend" and "How to Keep a Woman Interested" and "What does it mean when a Woman says.." and everything you can imagine. We like to be competent and perfect in our actions. So if it feels like he is playing a game, it's because he is and doesn't understand the rules entirely. Gently call him out on this and say something like, "Look I want you to know that I like you and am not looking for the typical guy. Most guys will play games go silent and are too afraid to initiate conversation for days because they fear looking weak. I'm sure you're busy but it's much more attractive (even hot) when a guy communicated more with me. You're not a 'fraidy cat' like those other guys are you?...."

Having said this, know you'll need to say this maybe a few more times. What I also know is that he may go silent on you because he is trying to build up your anticipation (and it's working). Yes you are now thinking about blowing him off, but he's on your mind and that's the point. He may be doing this naturally, he may have read it somewhere. Just let it happen. Let the anticipation build and let him know what you need and he'll come crawling towards you. Be positive and he'll be super loyal.

A puppy ? Lol

If I am not mistaken, most women want a strong grown up man, not a puppy you have to train

Posted by TrueBlessings
I think I'm more worried about him not being interested anymore, than I am about me showing him my interest.

The lack of communication after the date is a clear sign in my opinion, especially once you have established a sort of physical 'closeness'.

I don't have much to hope for at this stage. I have to be honest with myself 🙂

Wait and see what he does too. He may be waiting a few days (because he read that somewhere that he should) before contacting you again and initiating another date. IF he doesn't initiate anything on his own, contact him at the end of the week. If he doesn't respond, leave him alone. If he DOES respond don't be too quick to make plans with him. Be kind and let him know that because he waited so long to contact you, you've already made other plans. Let him know that you are free next week however. MAKE him make plans with you by gently nudging him.

Posted by MyStarsShine
A puppy ? Lol

If I am not mistaken, most women want a strong grown up man, not a puppy you have to train

You're absolutely right, but she also said this guy was young and inexperienced already. I'd imagine she's interested because she is a Scorpio and she likes his honesty and his warmth. It's the cold part that's throwing her, which is a shell she can easily crack with patience and understanding.

Leos are the worst. I am a pisces and i will not date them ever. Complete opposite of us.

Posted by DivaCanLeo
i appreciate you chuckcem you give really good advice for a leo man, the rest are nonexistent...

Hahah all good and yeah the Virgo Moon is tricky. The plus side is, you always have someone who is willing to do the dirty work for you as long as it's appreciated. Virgo Moon people are very detailed oriented and always want to help. Even when we complain we'll come assist or even save you (which is also bolstered by a Leo Sun's nature). Virgo Moon people just have to learn how to chill out more.

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Posted by marshmallow


He is exactly this . Just a thing though ...too much of criticism gets suffocating . And if its combined with the over confidence of always being right then its even more suffocating .

Perfectionist and critical to the core. And I would wonder whatever happened to the chilled out facade of a leo .

I have a question.... are leos with virgo moon prone to depression ,non medical but too much of low phases?

He can be, I wouldn't blame this solely on his placements though. We can over analyze, but the Leo side generally can bring us out of a funk. THAT being said, we can also feel HARD and become "mopey". The Virgo Moon and Leo pride won't allow us to show it though, so we just seem less vibrant. If we have someone to talk to about our issues that can help. Generally speaking a Leo Sun/Virgo Moon is happy if they have things (like their job) together. If the financial situation is solid that means we are stable, which we crave. Generally everything else for us can fall into place from there.

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Thanks for your input.

Every thing in place and together. Solid finance n work but i feel its the attitude to take stress too much. Sometimes i feel it is also his strategy to try to manipulate me , he knows he can make me feel bad if he is sad . No body outside ever gets to see this ..only me .

Posted by TrueBlessings
I think I'm more worried about him not being interested anymore, than I am about me showing him my interest.

The lack of communication after the date is a clear sign in my opinion, especially once you have established a sort of physical 'closeness'.

I don't have much to hope for at this stage. I have to be honest with myself 🙂

Although there are general behavioural trends but every one reacts differently . Some people go away to analyse and come back..while others go away to leave. Give it time and dont expect anything.

me n my husband had days of no conversations between his 3 attempts of trying to tell me what he feels about me . Coincidentally I was so already done with mind games because of some past thing that i could be least bothered about any guy who plays games with me. So i never got bothered. I was never expecting anything ..no calls , no interest nothing...so that worked for me. I liked him very much, i was fascinated by his charm, had a huge crush on him but kept it to myself and not expected anything to happen. He finally got tired of my indifference and shed his casual approach .

Some gap may not mean much. Its just one week for you. Probably guys have a more twisted mind ...may be its something else and a guy can tell better .

Posted by MyStarsShine
A puppy ? Lol

If I am not mistaken, most women want a strong grown up man, not a puppy you have to train

Lol i know what the puppy thing would have sounded to you like but i have never met a man stronger and smarter than my leo husband. he is too irritating sometimes, drives me nuts and makes me want to leave him but he is definitely not a puppy .

Posted by marshmallow


Thanks for your input.

Every thing in place and together. Solid finance n work but i feel its the attitude to take stress too much. Sometimes i feel it is also his strategy to try to manipulate me , he knows he can made me feel bad if he is sad . No body outside ever gets to see this ..only me .

It's possible. Seems like a case of "misery loves company" which can be very Leonian. I personally take pride in not showing my negative emotions. How I'm perceived by others is still important. Very rarely will I let others see me hurt. But Leos can "sulk" with those closest to them and try to get the other person to empathize with their "plight".

In those instances I recommend gently calling him out on being dramatic. Let him know that not everyone is going to see the world as he does and there's always another perspective. Just because he feels bad, doesn't mean you have to as well. Yes, you can be empathetic, but you have your own thoughts and emotions.

This may help you as well:

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_leo-virgo.pdf

Posted by TrueBlessings
I'm really starting to think Leo men are actually worse than Pisces and that's a huge statement!

His placements: Leo Sun/Virgo Moon/Cancer Venus

Mine: Scorpio Sun/Gemini Moon/Scorpio Venus

Long story short (as I've already posted many times about him):

We've know each other for two years. We worked in the same company (he already liked me then). Then, I moved to another country. He moved to the same country. We reconnected last October.

The first date was great. The second one was horrible as we got into a fight and he walked out on me. The third date was awkward since I was still mad at him and he tried to kiss me ... I told him I wanted to take it slow. I sent him a text to explain I was nervous so on and so forth, he said he wasn't mad and was looking forward to seeing me again.

He went home for a month during which he did not get in touch with me at all. I got in touch with him two days before he came back. He replied, but when I replied to his text, he left it at that.

I waited two weeks. Nothing. I texted him to ask if he wanted to go out. He agreed and we talked a bit.

When we met up, I was the one who went for the kiss as I wanted to. He said: 'You really wanted to see me huh?'. He kissed me a few times on the way to the movies. When we got there, he hand his hand on my leg the entire time (even when I tried to move) and held my hand at some point. He kissed me many times. Funny thing, he took my hand to place it on his chest.

Anyway. When we got out of the theater, he didn't kiss me or held my hand. He wanted me to hold his arm. Fine, not what I was expecting but ok. Then, he told me: 'I can walk you to XYZ street if you want..' (we live in a massive city, cars aren't the best option). The 'if you want' wasn't fine with me. It's midnight and the 'if you want' makes him sound like he cannot be bothered. Then, he wanted to catch the last subway home, so he kissed me and wouldn't let me go. But then he said 'Let me go, I'm going to miss my train'. I got slightly annoyed as he was the one kissing me!

I texted him saying 'thank you' for the date. Now, I haven't heard from him.

I got hurt so many times, that I could be overthinking every detail. But I find this whole thing strange. I know he's not overly experienced with girls (he's 23), but I'm still underwhelmed.

Is he even interested or am I setting myself up for disappointment?

As a Scorpio woman, my first admirations were Leo men.

After dating a few, I realized they just didn't work for me. A Leo will lead you on as long as they can.. IF you allow them. (Like all men actually) That was my mistake.

Their warmth is like sunshine to a Scorpio, but in the end they are looking at what is in it for them. If you will provide, they will take.

Do not let him take advantage of you anymore. Figure out and set some boundaries with this guy!!! Otherwise this game will continue and Only end with more disappointment until you have a final straw.

Posted by marshmallow


Lol i know what the puppy thing would have sounded to you like but i have never met a man stronger and smarter than my leo husband. he is too irritating sometimes, drives me nuts and makes me want to leave him but he is definitely not a puppy .

Right the puppy analogy was used to explained the Leo Sun/Virgo Moon in the story since he's young an inexperienced. I'd say Leo Suns/Virgo Moons are very canine like though. We can be puppies, dogs, or wolves depending on our maturity level.

Keep aside the signs. I remember reading this somewhere :

If a guy truly loves you, he'll do anything to keep you.

Just don't expect much from a guy who shows no deep interest or chances are that you'll be left hurt. Hugs!

Posted by Chuckcem

Posted by marshmallow


Thanks for your input.

Every thing in place and together. Solid finance n work but i feel its the attitude to take stress too much. Sometimes i feel it is also his strategy to try to manipulate me , he knows he can made me feel bad if he is sad . No body outside ever gets to see this ..only me .

It's possible. Seems like a case of "misery loves company" which can be very Leonian. I personally take pride in not showing my negative emotions. How I'm perceived by others is still important. Very rarely will I let others see me hurt. But Leos can "sulk" with those closest to them and try to get the other person to empathize with their "plight".

In those instances I recommend gently calling him out on being dramatic. Let him know that not everyone is going to see the world as he does and there's always another perspective. Just because he feels bad, doesn't mean you have to as well.Yes, you can be empathetic, but you have your own thoughts and emotions.

This may help you as well:

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_leo-virgo.pdf

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Just because he feels bad, doesn't mean you have to as well.

I have started to do that actually. Learning to be indifferent but i thought thats not the best approach with people you share your life with .

I also try to tell him things that i find not best in his approach but then he has too much of his own mind 😢 .



This may help you as well:

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_leo-virgo.pdf

Thanks for the link 🙂 . I will definitely read it

To be fair, all the guys I dated grew even closer to me after the first kiss, even if they were jerks in the end.

I definitely liked his warmth, but we also had great conversations that could last hours. However, a lot of our conversations turned into me giving him guidance on various levels (financial, educational, career, his drinking issues, his self-esteem, his need for introspection ...). That's probably why he said I'm the most 'interesting and smartest woman' he's ever met. He's 23 and still discovering himself. I'm 26, deeper than he is, focused on my career. I'm deeper in general, so maybe he appreciated that side of me he does not have the same way I appreciated the warmth I may lack.

Initially he was also pushing for me to get him a job in my company because he any position there would elevate his status right away. I said no many many times. Then he wound up finding a job in his home country.

It seems he's found new friends since his return from his holidays and doesn't care much for me no more. He's only 23, so maybe as he'll grow older, he'll remember the good times and realize you cannot treat a woman this way. I'm adamant I made an impression on him, but he's too young to understand what he wants.

Whether I want to believe it or not, the age gap was also an issue. Last time we saw each other he mentionned it. I didn't pick up on it, but at his age, he's still in 'party mode' and I've long moved on from that. I care for him a lot, honestly. However, he now made it clear, though his silence, that he wasn't in it for real.

Posted by TrueBlessings
To be fair, all the guys I dated grew even closer to me after the first kiss, even if they were jerks in the end.

I definitely liked his warmth, but we also had great conversations that could last hours. However, a lot of our conversations turned into me giving him guidance on various levels (financial, educational, career, his drinking issues, his self-esteem, his need for introspection ...). That's probably why he said I'm the most 'interesting and smartest woman' he's ever met. He's 23 and still discovering himself. I'm 26, deeper than he is, focused on my career. I'm deeper in general, so maybe he appreciated that side of me he does not have the same way I appreciated the warmth I may lack.

Initially he was also pushing for me to get him a job in my company because he any position there would elevate his status right away. I said no many many times. Then he wound up finding a job in his home country.

It seems he's found new friends since his return from his holidays and doesn't care much for me no more. He's only 23, so maybe as he'll grow older, he'll remember the good times and realize you cannot treat a woman this way. I'm adamant I made an impression on him, but he's too young to understand what he wants.

Whether I want to believe it or not, the age gap was also an issue. Last time we saw each other he mentionned it. I didn't pick up on it, but at his age, he's still in 'party mode' and I've long moved on from that. I care for him a lot, honestly. However, he now made it clear, though his silence, that he wasn't in it for real.

Definitely. Sounds like he's young and that you'd benefit from someone who has his head on straight and his situation more stable. You can definitely do better than this guy. Just chalk it up to a bit of fun and let it lie. A more mature Leo (or any guy for that matter) would not have let you slip so easily.

It makes me wonder whether he even liked me in the first place. He chased me like crazy when we worked together for 6 months, then again daily when we reconnected ...

He even told me he was serious about me and asked me not to think he's a jerk or that he's playing me. He even got mad over this one day. Then, I kiss him and he disappears?

This is all too strange. It makes no sense to me. No sense at all, especially I'm on the receiving end of this silence not knowing what on earth happened.

Maybe I shall grant him his wish, block him and disappear altogether because he won't care anyway it seems.

You know, it's really painful for me because I had my guards up. I was single for three years, no man, no dating because I suffered with a Pisces. It took me a lot to open up to him, let me guard down and even initiate a kiss. That kiss was significant because it meant I was letting my guard down, finally. Then, I'm faced with his cowardly rejection ... It's a hard pill to swallow.

Posted by TrueBlessings
You know, it's really painful for me because I had my guards up. I was single for three years, no man, no dating because I suffered with a Pisces. It took me a lot to open up to him, let me guard down and even initiate a kiss. That kiss was significant because it meant I was letting my guard down, finally. Then, I'm faced with his cowardly rejection ... It's a hard pill to swallow.

Look at it this way, this kid was just the means to get you back on the "dating horse". Don't beat yourself up to much about this one. He's young and indecisive and did what young guys do. I'm sure he liked you, but has no idea how to commit or what to do with you. He simply wasn't the guy for you. Not to sound cliche but sounds like you need a real man.

The GOOD thing though is that you've shown yourself that you can open up to someone after dealing with your Pisces and not dating for 3 years. Consider this young guy practice for the real thing. Don't chase him and be confident that someone more compatible will come along

I know it's a very stupid question ... but do you think he will one day look back and realize he treated me badly/made a mistake? Or is it just dead and gone to him?

Posted by TrueBlessings
I know it's a very stupid question ... but do you think he will one day look back and realize he treated me badly/made a mistake? Or is it just dead and gone to him?

Oh people ALWAYS look back. That's a guarantee. Heck, in my experience people ALWAYS come back in one form or another. When that will happen, no one can say, but everyone remembers the past through rose colored glasses. The further away we get from a memory, the more we remember it in a positive light. So even if things were terrible between you two (which they weren't by any means), he'd still remember it fondly over time. Just how the brain/heart works. He'll definitely be thinking about this for the rest of his life. Leos are fixed like Scorpios, we don't let go easily.

By the time he comes back around though, you'll probably have already moved on and won't want to be bothered with him anymore. I know telling a Scorpio not to obsess over a person is like telling water not to be wet 🙂 but I recommend focusing that energy on bettering yourself. That way when the right one comes around, you'll be ready.

Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing, but I think I may have said something that night that may have changed his mindset.

Basically, we went to see a movie which in the end wasn't great. On our way out, I said 'I may have lost 2 hours of my time'. I was talking about the movie! Then, he said 'yeah, but you were in good company'. Then as a joke, I said 'that's subjective!'.

I'm afraid he may have taken it badly. It was all in good fun. Oh well.

You're overthinking it. Yes Virgo Moons can be worry warts, but he's still a Leo. A joke, sarcastic or otherwise, wouldn't cause him to run for the hills. Even IF he did take the joke poorly, you wouldn't want to be with a guy like that anyway. Plus you two were kissing later that night. That wouldn't have happened if his feelings were hurt.

Yeah, you're right. I have to just admit he's not interested.

I forgot to mention the most ironic part:

On our first date, he told me his younger sister always calls him a jerk and it hurts him because according to him, he's not a jerk. He was always focused on not giving the impression that he is a 'jerk'. He once got mad at me for no reason saying 'it seems as though you think I'm a jerk when I'm not'. I hadn't even thought about that at all! He brought it up completely out of context and got mad.

Next thing I know, this happens ... he must be joking. He's clueless, clearly.

Posted by Chuckcem

Posted by DivaCanLeo
i appreciate you chuckcem you give really good advice for a leo man, the rest are nonexistent...

Hahah all good and yeah the Virgo Moon is tricky. The plus side is, you always have someone who is willing to do the dirty work for you as long as it's appreciated. Virgo Moon people are very detailed oriented and always want to help. Even when we complain we'll come assist or even save you (which is also bolstered by a Leo Sun's nature). Virgo Moon people just have to learn how to chill out more.

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I think the virgo side of him is giving the advice haha anyway when I read your description I am reading about my guy.

The remark about not being a strong grownup guy makes me laugh honestly. The virgo in him can make any woman feel emotionally safe, cared for, he just needs to get to know you and that takes a while.

But I guess it's only for strong grownup women hahaha *I joke*