What kind of fuckery is this?....

Ok...so I can't sleep after dealing with some bs all night. My head is all kinds of fucked up and I just feel like ranting cause I'm confused as hell. So this will be hella long and I don't blame anyone for not reading it lol. I know I wouldnt 😂.

So this Leo ...same one as before keeps circling back to me. Ok fine whateverrrrr....he's a cool person and I do like hanging out with him. We reconnected back in Nov...him telling me I hurt him and so he stopped talking to me 🙄. In the mean time...I started seeing someone else during his "I hurt him phase". We got into it again because he thinks it's cute when he plays Casper. I went the fuck off on him...told him I'm tired of his shit...either be here or stay the fuck gone...I'm tired of him treating me like shit especially when I've been nothing but good to him...blah blah blah and so forth.

I sent out Christmas cards...and sent him one because even though he pisses me off...I'm not a cold hearted bitch (yet lol). Like I know he is a fucked up individual but apparently I don't care...and honestly I see the good in him even if he can't see it in himself. Anyway....he texted me to thank me for the card. I was driving at the time...so I didn't reply and tbh it didn't need a reply and I was contemplating if I really should or not. He texted again...I didn't reply, then he called me 4 times in a row...I didn't answer. The dude shows up at my apartment...I'm shocked as hell because it's outta character for him to do so. I let him in and we just stare at each other with these weird looks on our faces lol. But I can't help that he makes me light up when I see him 😑.

We talk...he invited me out and we go. He proceeded to flirt with this chick ...all while winking at me every once in a while. I see what you are doing. Me being me...I don't react to much even though I'm seething on the inside because he purposely doing it. So now they are fighting over the last of his food...I'm like fuck y'all ...I'll eat it...stuffed it in my mouth and just smiled. He can now tell I'm getting pissed the fuck off and he whispers don't be like that...she just drunk. I could have came here by myself but wanted to take you out. I said yeah then ignore me the whole time while loving Ms. Can't keep her hands to herself attention and proceeed to mock her bs. Hes laughing but he said ..yeah you're right and so now we are staring each other down with smirks on our faces and he's coming at me with ...you know I could take her home right now. Yeah I know. He's like what if I took her back to your car and made out with her. I lean in and whisper...I can excuse myself if you'd like so you can run your "game" and passed him my keys. He like yeah right...if I did that you'd be slashing my tires or some other psycho shit. Umm when have I ever done that...that's right never. He like you just want me all to yourself. I'm just smiling away but in that shut the fuck up way and rolling my eyes. I'm like...come on now...let's see this "game" you got. He said...you know I would never do that shit in front of you. Oooook 🙄. He then like you ready to go...yep. we leave and that chick is looking at me but I'm not 💯 sure because her eyes went all different directions but I stare her ass down and smirk like..ha bitch 😂.

We leave...and as we walking outside...he like I can't help that people like me. 🙄🙄🙄 😑. Then he says...you don't wanna share me...umm wtf, first off why the fuck would I and second...thats all kinds of disrespectful to suggest that I should and you'd want me in some fucked up situation. He's saying all this to get a reaction and now it's working. Im like...ok you wanna share me...you cool with that cause I can get dick too. He's like oh really...let's make it a competition. We can go back in there and see who can get what. Get the fuck outta here lol. Hes cracking up...I'm like I really don't understand what our deal is and he says he doesn't either. I'm like it's like you trust me and let me in to an extent but then dont...you also don't ever believe what I say. I flat out ask him why he keeps coming back...he tells me that I'm a good person, cool as shit and I don't judge him no matter how many times he fucks up with me and I still stand by him. Fuck...thats true (stupid virgo) we go to another place and plays some pool. It was fun and nothing more is said about all this shit that went down. We come back to my apt and he passes out on my couch then trys to sneak out in the morning but I catch him...and I'm like really, wtf you think you're doing...he's like I didn't wanna wake you. I said you don't just walk out and he's like ya you do....not the fuck you don't. Wake me and say bye...such disrespect. He apologized twice. Before he went into his "you hurt me phase" he said you do you and I'm gonna do me...noted.

We wished each other a merry Christmas and that's really been it this week. So now we are at last night. I'm about to go to sleep...I hear my phone go off...of course it's him. Hes like what are you doing....I said I'm sleeping. He's like wake up...let's get a pizza and watch birdbox. He's drunk mind you and no this wasn't a booty call...he knows better than that. So he's here and he's like what have you been doing tonight...I'm like nothing (which was true) and he's like yeah right ...you've been out and probably fucking all kinds of guys. You can that's cool...it is what it is. I'm like just like you have been fucking a bunch of chicks. Well I mean and he starts laughing...then he likes so have you been. Why you asking for ...it none of your business first off and I've been seeing someone. He's like ohhhh. Hmm ok. He's like you fuck him? He have you bent over everywhere in here? Naw that's cool. So when you are outta town...you've been with him? Ok. Wtf...why you mad...you said you do you and I'm gonna do me...so I'm doing me. He's like yeah that's cool...you can. Does he know about me...no. do your chicks know about me. Yeah they do. Wtf ever...don't bs me. He keeps telling me they do 🙄. Then he's like so how's that all going...I say fine and now he's on me about why I don't answer him...I'm always about being real and now all the sudden I don't wanna be. Jfc...ok, he's a good guy, treats me good, likes me and wants to move forward with me. Wants me to be exclusive which I haven't said yes or no yet. Then he tells me I'm dumb and ate up 😂. I'm like why...oh you can do what you want but I can't. Did you think I was just gonna pine over you. No...that's cool and you deserve it. Ok is that a compliment or you being passive aggressive? You deserve all of it...ok what exactly... everything. Then he keeps asking me questions all the while saying don't tell me...I'm just getting pissed. Why though...you have no right to be pissed. Then he's like do you care about him...does he care about you...naw he doesn't care about you...not like he should. Why aren't you with him tonight...why isn't he talking to you right now? I just got off the phone with him around 12. He's like so...see he not caring about you. I told him I was going to bed...which I was. Then the whole whose dick is bigger shit started. Hes like if he walked in right now...I could take him. Ok...he then says what is he some bad ass that thinks he could take me. Idk...I've never seen him in that light but he's not a wimp. So you acting like he's 7 feet tall and some bad ass that could beat my ass. No. So you really trying to tell me he is more masculine than me...umm no, not at all. This is why I didn't want to say anything .. for one it's none of your business and for two why the fuck do you care so much. I'm just your in between girl anyway. He's like my what...im your in between girl...the girl you run to in between relationships. He's like no you aren't either....youre my favorite traitor? Idk what that means or if that what he said...I couldn't understand the last word. This goes on for a while....hence why I've been up all night. He finally passed out but I couldn't sleep.

I don't get him... someone please explain this behavior. He is not a player or a fuck boy but his fake ass behavior says otherwise I know but he's really not like that. He can get any chick he wants so why does he keep coming back to me for... honestly wtf does he want from me?!

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Omg ....but it feels good to get all that shit out. I'll probably delete this cause fuck 😂😂

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

Like I get guys are visual creatures. Shit, I do my fair share of checking people out. But damn! Flirting with another woman when your sitting right there. F no.

His ass can walk home, I’m out.

Disrespectful af.

Not even from a romantic standpoint. Just being ignored when you came out with me would be enough for me to walk away from the ‘friendship’ for good.

Ok phew. Now to read the rest...

Posted by rejuvenatedheart

This entire story is just this dude repeatedly showing you that he's a garbage ass piece of shit. Throw the whole dick bag away. NEXT.

Noooooo throw THE WHOLE MAN AWAY

Meaning you need to cry

I couldn’t read all of it lol

He’s too into mind games, manipulating you, and enjoying every minute of it. That’s why he keeps coming back.

“Does he have you bent over everywhere” smh those type of questions

They LOVE asking details that they KNOW will hurt them.

He gives good head doesn’t he ?

It’s so annoying when their insecurities and little children’s games get in the way of a good orgasm amirite

Red flags everywhere! He is abusive and masking it behind humor or attempting to. Tear you down, build you up.

This part is a huge red flag : . "Ok...he then says what is he some bad ass that thinks he could take me. " in my opinion it is never funny or cool to even joke about laying hands on someone.

You say he is a good guy but this shit is not healthy. Which I think you know.

Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

Posted by Ooops

He's jealous. It's a competition to him now, to win you from the other guy. It's more about his own ego than it is you

I agree it is and I already called him out on it...but he did this even when I wasn't with someone else...that had more to do with his insecurities though. Why he is insecure idk.

Posted by Impulsv

Why are you attracted to a duch?

That’s the real question

Apparently BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO BUILD SHIT UP

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Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

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Sun / moon attraction can make us blind and willing to accept stuff that you normally wouldn't.

Ask yourself this: if this was the Scorpio dude, or any other guy, would you walk away or stay?

Annoy me. I need to cry!

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I get a sense that you kinda like the drama he brings though. And the scorpio probably bores you a little.

Yeah probably a little bit. It's hard to explain but when I'm around him...I'm legit happy and get a little depressed when shits all fucked up. I don't like that though but I can't help it. The safe option is the Scorp though...and I know that. I do like the Scorp though but he is predicable.

Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturns

I didn’t read that 😂

How come you keep letting these people in your house? That’s your first mistake.

#dickmatized

Wish that was the case and yeah we've messed around before...but I haven't slept with him to be dickmatized. 🤷

Posted by TheRabbit

Tl:dr

But @rejuvenatedheart is right.

It's about time to get rid of him.

Get out the poop knife, cut it up, and flush that turd.

Ugh I know 😔

Posted by HeartofTopazz

It sounds like he has a drinking problem and he is also emotionally abusive. Does he come around when he’s sober? If it’s escalated this far already then I’m sure there will be more surprises of his waiting around the corner. Tread lightly and be discreet with the info you do share with him from here on out.

I know you like him and I’m sure he has his good moments.. but are they worth being this stressed and confused? I would cut him out of my life if I were you. You deserve better.

He doesn't but when he does drink...it can be excessive. Majority of the time we have hung out...he's been sober. It would be no problem to cut him out if that was the case or if he only contacted me in the middle of the night. This is why I didn't want to tell him and I usually keep shit to myself but he hit me with the keeping it real thing ..and I'm like fuck cause I do like to keep shit real. Even when he was asking me questions ... majority of them were assumed by him or id correct him so he didn't have it twisted.

I do like to psychoanalyze him though...he is interesting in that aspect. He is a good guy...if he wasn't I wouldn't fuck with him...he's just fucked in the head....he knows that and I know that. He doesn't particularly like that I know it though. Last time I tried to say let's just be friends...cause honestly we are better off that way.

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Like I get guys are visual creatures. Shit, I do my fair share of checking people out. But damn! Flirting with another woman when your sitting right there. F no.

His ass can walk home, I’m out.

Disrespectful af.

Not even from a romantic standpoint. Just being ignored when you came out with me would be enough for me to walk away from the ‘friendship’ for good.

Ok phew. Now to read the rest...

Yeah it was disrespectful as shit and I told him that. I stood up and about left but he took it down a notch when he seen that. But he was also reaching for a reaction from me....still bs.

Posted by Sunsetvirgo

“Does he have you bent over everywhere” smh those type of questions

They LOVE asking details that they KNOW will hurt them.

Yep...don't understand it. Ego thing I guess

Posted by Impulsv

Do t let Scorpio find out you entertaining the Leo

I know but he also knows I have guy friends and nothing has happened like that and the Scorp had a gf staying at his place before but they also believe in that double standard bs lol.

Posted by justagirl

Red flags everywhere! He is abusive and masking it behind humor or attempting to. Tear you down, build you up.

This part is a huge red flag : . "Ok...he then says what is he some bad ass that thinks he could take me. " in my opinion it is never funny or cool to even joke about laying hands on someone.

You say he is a good guy but this shit is not healthy. Which I think you know.

That's his ego talking "who's dick is bigger" bs but I get what you are saying. It's also the guys where I live mentality....you have to be on alert at all times type shit. The Scorp grew up in the same area and is the same way.

Posted by Impulsv

Why are you attracted to a duch?

That’s the real question

No idea...wish I could explain it.

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Posted by Ooops

He's jealous. It's a competition to him now, to win you from the other guy. It's more about his own ego than it is you

I agree it is and I already called him out on it...but he did this even when I wasn't with someone else...that had more to do with his insecurities though. Why he is insecure idk.

He’s not being insecure

He is playing game n knows by using triangulation he will get u hooked

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He plays games cause he's insecure. If he wasn't .. there would be no need for the games

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Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

Sun / moon attraction can make us blind and willing to accept stuff that you normally wouldn't.

Ask yourself this: if this was the Scorpio dude, or any other guy, would you walk away or stay?

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Idk...me and the Scorp have the square and it's a double whammy. Im probably just as blind with him plus we have his Pluto square my moon 😑

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I get a sense that you kinda like the drama he brings though. And the scorpio probably bores you a little.

Yeah probably a little bit. It's hard to explain but when I'm around him...I'm legit happy and get a little depressed when shits all fucked up. I don't like that though but I can't help it. The safe option is the Scorp though...and I know that. I do like the Scorp though but he is predicable.

I suspect if Scorpio treated you like shit you’d be all over that.

You need to get to the root of why being treated that way gets u hooked

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It doesn't ...normally I don't fuck with douchebags and it's a huge turn off. I can't explain my fucked up attraction to him. That's what I've been trying to figure out...why him, why?!

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Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

Sun / moon attraction can make us blind and willing to accept stuff that you normally wouldn't.

Ask yourself this: if this was the Scorpio dude, or any other guy, would you walk away or stay?

Idk...me and the Scorp have the square and it's a double whammy. Im probably just as blind with him plus we have his Pluto square my moon 😑

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Ok remove astro from the equation, remove the rose tinted glasses. I am not one to come in the threads and say dump the guy, but in this case, I am saying that. You have had constant issues with him from the start, from what you have shared with threads and in the comments.

i'm reading your responses within this one and you are rationalizing away his behavior. Just be careful Hun. You are way better than this guy. You haven't even fucked and there is this drama? noooooo thankx.

Posted by RooSagicorn

Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

Posted by TheRabbit

Tl:dr

But @rejuvenatedheart is right.

It's about time to get rid of him.

Get out the poop knife, cut it up, and flush that turd.

You and that other one person on the internet are the only peoples with a poop knife in their bathroom.

😬 someone should tell you

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Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

Sun / moon attraction can make us blind and willing to accept stuff that you normally wouldn't.

Ask yourself this: if this was the Scorpio dude, or any other guy, would you walk away or stay?

Idk...me and the Scorp have the square and it's a double whammy. Im probably just as blind with him plus we have his Pluto square my moon 😑

Ok remove astro from the equation, remove the rose tinted glasses. I am not one to come in the threads and say dump the guy, but in this case, I am saying that. You have had constant issues with him from the start, from what you have shared with threads and in the comments.

i'm reading your responses within this one and you are rationalizing away his behavior. Just be careful Hun. You are way better than this guy. You haven't even fucked and there is this drama? noooooo thankx.

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I knew I was gonna do that too. Idk I guess I see in him something more then his fucked up behavior but I can't be the Virgo save a bitch anymore. I know this I see it but I can't seem to stop. I'm not completely blind...I call him out and get pissed off but I shouldn't even have to deal with it....I'm gonna analyze it to fucking death though and maybe that will be enough to wake me up completely?

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Posted by Sag898

The Leo man curse on a Leo Moon women is so real. ASTROLOGY IS REAL

It is 😔. I'm soooo fucking attracted to him. Never have I ever been that attracted to someone before. I fucking hate it.

Sun / moon attraction can make us blind and willing to accept stuff that you normally wouldn't.

Ask yourself this: if this was the Scorpio dude, or any other guy, would you walk away or stay?

Idk...me and the Scorp have the square and it's a double whammy. Im probably just as blind with him plus we have his Pluto square my moon 😑

Ok remove astro from the equation, remove the rose tinted glasses. I am not one to come in the threads and say dump the guy, but in this case, I am saying that. You have had constant issues with him from the start, from what you have shared with threads and in the comments.

i'm reading your responses within this one and you are rationalizing away his behavior. Just be careful Hun. You are way better than this guy. You haven't even fucked and there is this drama? noooooo thankx.

I knew I was gonna do that too. Idk I guess I see in him something more then his fucked up behavior but I can't be the Virgo save a bitch anymore. I know this I see it but I can't seem to stop. I'm not completely blind...I call him out and get pissed off but I shouldn't even have to deal with it....I'm gonna analyze it to fucking death though and maybe that will be enough to wake me up completely?

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I've been right in this exact situation with an ex, so I relate 100% . I also know that you will do what you need to do no matter what anyone else suggests or says, which is okay. Just do your best to not lose who you are and nip the manipulation tactics in the butt, call him out, which i saw you saying you do.

Posted by Ellygant

I notice with Sun/Moon(in the case of conjunctions and oppositions only) attractions, if we attract someone’s sun to our moon, then they are a direct correlation of how we feel about ourselves and what we think we deserve. They are mirror relationships. What we love about them are things we think we do not have ourselves, but are too afraid to pursue. This goes in both directions, positive and negative.

Until you get to the root of your own self image, you’ll love this man to your detriment, likely increasingly. It’s not necessarily about him or what he does anymore at this point. It’s about why you like it and desire it so much.

This kind of questions, soul searching, can be extremely uncomfortable for a Leo moon. Like kneeling on frozen peas, wearing wet socks and a pair of pants that’s a half size too small kind of uncomfortable. So there’s a strong likelihood you’ll keep entertaining him longer than most others will understand. Once you get the answers about yourself you need tho, there will be no more Caspers. If there is anything leo moons can do, it’s burn bridges down to a white ash once they finally wanna move forward.

Till then, do whatever you need to do to get to that’s point. Sometimes people gotta revel in the chaos and excess of emotions before they’re ready.

We have the conjunction.

This hit me hard....like really fucking hard.

Thank you!

Well besides the fact that he seems incredibly insecure...

Your guy is also negative attention seeking and using you as a form of validation. When his typical routine with other women is not going in the direction he chooses, he returne to you.

Now a breakdown of why he may do this: sure he can get physical gratification from women but I think he rarely experiences a woman who gives an emotional response that’s genuine. Most women sense when a man is emotionally removed and they typically retract and never put themselves out there (most but not all). I think you possibly connected with him on an emotional level albeit it slightly shallow. I’m assuming you’re quite honest and endearing towards him which is probably why he feels safe coming to you late at night while drunk wanting to talk to you...

This however is a negative path. When someone drunk and they continue to reach out to one person— that saying that the truth comes out when someone’s drunk isn’t true. The selfish ideas/decisions people make come out while they’re drunk. If someone calls you while they’re drunk—-it’s because they know you’ll answer the phone and be there. The same way people know their mom will always be there.

This makes you a technical emotional crutch for this guy....very simple.

Obviously you’re getting something from this and in many ways, this is actually a form of affection for you (let me know if I’m wrong).

I think you’re inclined to want to take care of people and help in anyway possible so long as you don’t look like you’re over helping someone.

You have to learn to not be needed by someone. Men like him will always come and go, but you are the reason why they come and go and return again and find ways to contact you. It’s your choice: do you want to be an emotional crutch or do you want to be a steak 🥩...

Mmmm steak



I gotta to eat some brunch. Bye 👋

Good luck tho 🧐

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

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I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

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It sounds like he has a drinking problem and he is also emotionally abusive. Does he come around when he’s sober? If it’s escalated this far already then I’m sure there will be more surprises of his waiting around the corner. Tread lightly and be discreet with the info you do share with him from here on out.

I know you like him and I’m sure he has his good moments.. but are they worth being this stressed and confused? I would cut him out of my life if I were you. You deserve better.

He doesn't but when he does drink...it can be excessive. Majority of the time we have hung out...he's been sober. It would be no problem to cut him out if that was the case or if he only contacted me in the middle of the night. This is why I didn't want to tell him and I usually keep shit to myself but he hit me with the keeping it real thing ..and I'm like fuck cause I do like to keep shit real. Even when he was asking me questions ... majority of them were assumed by him or id correct him so he didn't have it twisted.

I do like to psychoanalyze him though...he is interesting in that aspect. He is a good guy...if he wasn't I wouldn't fuck with him...he's just fucked in the head....he knows that and I know that. He doesn't particularly like that I know it though. Last time I tried to say let's just be friends...cause honestly we are better off that way.

“Keeping it real” is not an excuse for him to be accusatory, disrespectful and inappropriate towards you. Those questions were none of his business to begin with, and by you answering you are enabling his bs. You aren’t together and you don’t owe him anything. He should be grateful that he’s even allowed to be your friend after these shenanigans lol.

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You're right and I told him exactly that...it's none of your business especially to the ridiculous questions. I've also told him he's lucky I even talk to him still before. Last week when I told him that I was done with him treating me like shit ...he said that he knows he is lucky to even be in my presence right now and that I have treated him and his son good and he doesn't know why he treats me that way...he is just fucked in the head (his words).

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Posted by Ellygant

I notice with Sun/Moon(in the case of conjunctions and oppositions only) attractions, if we attract someone’s sun to our moon, then they are a direct correlation of how we feel about ourselves and what we think we deserve. They are mirror relationships. What we love about them are things we think we do not have ourselves, but are too afraid to pursue. This goes in both directions, positive and negative.

Until you get to the root of your own self image, you’ll love this man to your detriment, likely increasingly. It’s not necessarily about him or what he does anymore at this point. It’s about why you like it and desire it so much.

This kind of questions, soul searching, can be extremely uncomfortable for a Leo moon. Like kneeling on frozen peas, wearing wet socks and a pair of pants that’s a half size too small kind of uncomfortable. So there’s a strong likelihood you’ll keep entertaining him longer than most others will understand. Once you get the answers about yourself you need tho, there will be no more Caspers. If there is anything leo moons can do, it’s burn bridges down to a white ash once they finally wanna move forward.

Till then, do whatever you need to do to get to that’s point. Sometimes people gotta revel in the chaos and excess of emotions before they’re ready.

We have the conjunction.

This hit me hard....like really fucking hard.

Thank you!

❤️❤️❤️

I say it with the utmost love beautiful virgal. More and more, I feel compelled these days to keep quiet on my Astro insight on the boards. But I do wanna give to those who’s vibe gives back to me. Your vibe is super magical, don’t ever forget that.

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😭😭 Making me cry and shit. But really that means a lot to me ❤️❤️❤️!!

Posted by Romz-

Well besides the fact that he seems incredibly insecure...

Your guy is also negative attention seeking and using you as a form of validation. When his typical routine with other women is not going in the direction he chooses, he returne to you.

Now a breakdown of why he may do this: sure he can get physical gratification from women but I think he rarely experiences a woman who gives an emotional response that’s genuine. Most women sense when a man is emotionally removed and they typically retract and never put themselves out there (most but not all). I think you possibly connected with him on an emotional level albeit it slightly shallow. I’m assuming you’re quite honest and endearing towards him which is probably why he feels safe coming to you late at night while drunk wanting to talk to you...

This however is a negative path. When someone drunk and they continue to reach out to one person— that saying that the truth comes out when someone’s drunk isn’t true. The selfish ideas/decisions people make come out while they’re drunk. If someone calls you while they’re drunk—-it’s because they know you’ll answer the phone and be there. The same way people know their mom will always be there.

This makes you a technical emotional crutch for this guy....very simple.

Obviously you’re getting something from this and in many ways, this is actually a form of affection for you (let me know if I’m wrong).

I think you’re inclined to want to take care of people and help in anyway possible so long as you don’t look like you’re over helping someone.

You have to learn to not be needed by someone. Men like him will always come and go, but you are the reason why they come and go and return again and find ways to contact you. It’s your choice: do you want to be an emotional crutch or do you want to be a steak 🥩...

Mmmm steak



I gotta to eat some brunch. Bye 👋

Good luck tho 🧐

I would agree if that was 💯 the case. He reaches out anytime of the day...it's not always at night and he's not always drunk. I don't give him validation either....I don't like to stroke a mans ego just to stroke it. I will when I feel it's earned I guess. Like I just don't give fake bs...I mean what I say and say what I mean. I've called him out on being emotionally unavailable too...I see it. I do think though that I bring out his emotions and he's doesn't know how to handle that. He wants it to be like how is with any other chick....feel nothing. He's told me before when younger he's fucked girls over and never cared or looked back but when he does the shit to me...he feels like absolute shit and he doesn't understand why he does it. I've said some pretty nasty things to him too because of it...like if someone said the things I've said to him to me...I'd never ever speak to them again or worse. He hides with his tail between his legs but then apologizes and we are back to square one...until the next time.

We've tried at least three times to make it work but we just cant...idk why. Trust I know is a big thing. And when he thought I was gone for good and changed my number and the nine...he like freaked out and showed up at my door... completely sober, completely out of character and it's was like 6pm after we got off work. I think he gets it in his head that if we were to be together he's gonna fuck it up and lose me...but then still pushes me away anyway. I could be way off but that's just the feeling. But I can't do it forever...it's draining and frankly I'm tired of thinking about him all the damn time!!

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It sounds like he has a drinking problem and he is also emotionally abusive. Does he come around when he’s sober? If it’s escalated this far already then I’m sure there will be more surprises of his waiting around the corner. Tread lightly and be discreet with the info you do share with him from here on out.

I know you like him and I’m sure he has his good moments.. but are they worth being this stressed and confused? I would cut him out of my life if I were you. You deserve better.

He doesn't but when he does drink...it can be excessive. Majority of the time we have hung out...he's been sober. It would be no problem to cut him out if that was the case or if he only contacted me in the middle of the night. This is why I didn't want to tell him and I usually keep shit to myself but he hit me with the keeping it real thing ..and I'm like fuck cause I do like to keep shit real. Even when he was asking me questions ... majority of them were assumed by him or id correct him so he didn't have it twisted.

I do like to psychoanalyze him though...he is interesting in that aspect. He is a good guy...if he wasn't I wouldn't fuck with him...he's just fucked in the head....he knows that and I know that. He doesn't particularly like that I know it though. Last time I tried to say let's just be friends...cause honestly we are better off that way.

“Keeping it real” is not an excuse for him to be accusatory, disrespectful and inappropriate towards you. Those questions were none of his business to begin with, and by you answering you are enabling his bs. You aren’t together and you don’t owe him anything. He should be grateful that he’s even allowed to be your friend after these shenanigans lol.

You're right and I told him exactly that...it's none of your business especially to the ridiculous questions. I've also told him he's lucky I even talk to him still before. Last week when I told him that I was done with him treating me like shit ...he said that he knows he is lucky to even be in my presence right now and that I have treated him and his son good and he doesn't know why he treats me that way...he is just fucked in the head (his words).

Sounds like you’re just venting then and already know what needs to be done.. It’s just up to you to make that decision, and yes it will be difficult I’ve been there before in the past. I may have wondered “what if” a few times in passing, but I never regretted my decision to kick him to the curb. After awhile you get tired of the drama. Bestestest of luck!

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I am venting and getting others perspectives too... because I've never dealt with this kind of back and forth. I've dealt with cancer back and forth and it was nothing like this. He was always there and never treated me like shit...just did the sidestepping and that's because of me and all the stuff I was going thru at that time. I fucked that up but he also had a lot of growing up to do. Thank you though for the help and perspective! ❤️

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

Hmm lol I’m aqua moon. Feeling safe is a huge thing. Its hard ya know, we HATE crying. It is not so easy to get a person out once we’ve let you in. Well for me anyway.

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I figured it is...he's said it on multiple occasions but then still doesn't trust me or believe what I say...I chalk that up to his moon to Pluto aspect. He is def not a cryer and I know that had to get to him too being that vulnerable. But I understand it...I'm the same way. I guess I just wish he'd tell me straight out right ....he's tried but then says he doesn't want to talk about it or his feelings and I don't push him to do so...again I understand that too lol.

He's in lurve with you. 😁

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

Hmm lol I’m aqua moon. Feeling safe is a huge thing. Its hard ya know, we HATE crying. It is not so easy to get a person out once we’ve let you in. Well for me anyway.

I figured it is...he's said it on multiple occasions but then still doesn't trust me or believe what I say...I chalk that up to his moon to Pluto aspect. He is def not a cryer and I know that had to get to him too being that vulnerable. But I understand it...I'm the same way. I guess I just wish he'd tell me straight out right ....he's tried but then says he doesn't want to talk about it or his feelings and I don't push him to do so...again I understand that too lol.

It’s hard to talk about feelings unless you feel completely safe to. There is something about the Leo energy that is safe for me. Even so, sometimes even when you want to, you need to be encouraged. I do better emotionally in that scenario. I mean you don’t want to be forced but encouraged.. does that make sense? I’m not saying his behavior is acceptable but aqua moons do better with understanding. I also have a little experience with a Leo and all that behavior tends to cover up the real stuff. You get past it, and they don’t act like that ( or the one I know). Or i should say if you don’t put up with it, they stop feeling the need to do it.

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That's what I try and do with him...I want him to feel comfortable enough to open up and I stop when he's no longer comfortable. Real stuff as in ..shit in their head? Or trusting someone?

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He's in lurve with you. 😁

What makes you think that for?

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

Hmm lol I’m aqua moon. Feeling safe is a huge thing. Its hard ya know, we HATE crying. It is not so easy to get a person out once we’ve let you in. Well for me anyway.

I figured it is...he's said it on multiple occasions but then still doesn't trust me or believe what I say...I chalk that up to his moon to Pluto aspect. He is def not a cryer and I know that had to get to him too being that vulnerable. But I understand it...I'm the same way. I guess I just wish he'd tell me straight out right ....he's tried but then says he doesn't want to talk about it or his feelings and I don't push him to do so...again I understand that too lol.

It’s hard to talk about feelings unless you feel completely safe to. There is something about the Leo energy that is safe for me. Even so, sometimes even when you want to, you need to be encouraged. I do better emotionally in that scenario. I mean you don’t want to be forced but encouraged.. does that make sense? I’m not saying his behavior is acceptable but aqua moons do better with understanding. I also have a little experience with a Leo and all that behavior tends to cover up the real stuff. You get past it, and they don’t act like that ( or the one I know). Or i should say if you don’t put up with it, they stop feeling the need to do it.

That's what I try and do with him...I want him to feel comfortable enough to open up and I stop when he's no longer comfortable. Real stuff as in ..shit in their head? Or trusting someone?

Trusting someone, loving & caring about someone and treating them well.

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I gotcha. I can def see that about him but I probably won't ever experience it lol....and now especially after all this shit last night or this morning. Even though he claims he doesn't care that I'm seeing someone...like it doesn't bother him.

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

Hmm lol I’m aqua moon. Feeling safe is a huge thing. Its hard ya know, we HATE crying. It is not so easy to get a person out once we’ve let you in. Well for me anyway.

I figured it is...he's said it on multiple occasions but then still doesn't trust me or believe what I say...I chalk that up to his moon to Pluto aspect. He is def not a cryer and I know that had to get to him too being that vulnerable. But I understand it...I'm the same way. I guess I just wish he'd tell me straight out right ....he's tried but then says he doesn't want to talk about it or his feelings and I don't push him to do so...again I understand that too lol.

It’s hard to talk about feelings unless you feel completely safe to. There is something about the Leo energy that is safe for me. Even so, sometimes even when you want to, you need to be encouraged. I do better emotionally in that scenario. I mean you don’t want to be forced but encouraged.. does that make sense? I’m not saying his behavior is acceptable but aqua moons do better with understanding. I also have a little experience with a Leo and all that behavior tends to cover up the real stuff. You get past it, and they don’t act like that ( or the one I know). Or i should say if you don’t put up with it, they stop feeling the need to do it.

That's what I try and do with him...I want him to feel comfortable enough to open up and I stop when he's no longer comfortable. Real stuff as in ..shit in their head? Or trusting someone?

Trusting someone, loving & caring about someone and treating them well.

I gotcha. I can def see that about him but I probably won't ever experience it lol....and now especially after all this shit last night or this morning. Even though he claims he doesn't care that I'm seeing someone...like it doesn't bother him.

Haha oh he does!! But doesn’t matter if you guys can’t get past this stage.

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I honestly hope we can one of these days and I know everyone is rolling their eyes at that due to his fucked up behavior and I'm rolling my eyes too but idk I just have a feeling we would be great together especially because we really are two of the same coin and as long as I get that from him and not this crap. So fucked up lol.

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It's like you've got some back and forth banter going on, that gets a little too real and just becomes passive aggressive af

I find this with a lot of leo men, they love that toxic back and forth bs and you're in the game now because you clearly gave it back, but now you have to keep it up because he'll continue that shit forever... and that's just tiring so fuck that

It's like some weird ass foreplay. Not gonna lie that part is exciting. We just stare at each other with these smirks and then we try and out do the other... competitive foreplay 😂. But we take it too far like you said...then he does something real because he thinks that's how I feel about it and now I'm mirroring him and doing the same. You do you and ill do me...really struck a nerve and so I've have that mentality. Then the sharing him shit...ok then that's how you want it...so be it. Although I ain't sharing shit. I told him that this morning and he's like I said that...umm yeah. He's like I must have been fucked up. 😑. It's exhausting though... you're right on that.

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“Does he have you bent over everywhere” smh those type of questions

They LOVE asking details that they KNOW will hurt them.

Yep...don't understand it. Ego thing I guess

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I’ll be giving you opposite opinion.

I think him and you both are having too much fun together even fighting so he comes back to you every time life seems boring...and you 2 just having a ball...

You talking about other people, dicks sizes, you eat his food...he is teasing you...it’s lighthearted and crazy fun for you both.

Maybe he need to grow up and then he will mature and who knows?

I bet that winking at the girl was just a teasing. He loooves your reaction.

I really don’t see evil...

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Seems jealous and trying to get reactions out of you.. part of that is pure fun for him but his emotions seem all over the place. I think you like to play with him too.

That's what I told him today again. Im like I don't fucking understand us...like we want each other but don't or just don't trust each other enough. He started laughing and he's like idk. I said it's like some weird ass foreplay. Why does this have to be our dynamic? We'll be doing this again...you'll go get in a another relationship for two months (he's like thanks...well...you get with chicks you don't have to actually have feelings for...that's all you) and then we will be right back here doing this same shit.

I think you do want each other but don’t trust each other. Leo’s seem to go a little sideways when they don’t trust but care. He keeps coming back, he cares. Do you ever get down to the real stuff or is it just this playing with each other?

I try to and we have to an extent. He's told me things he claims he never told anyone else...like things that are kinda fucked up. Then after he tells me...he's like idk why I'm telling you this. He's cried in front of me before...like painful shit in his soul crying. But then he does the whole aqua moon deal and doesn't want to talk about it. He's told me he cares about me and has feelings for me...but what kinda of feelings is a different story. He also said before that he feels safe like my apt feels like home and I bring him some weird comfort.

Hmm lol I’m aqua moon. Feeling safe is a huge thing. Its hard ya know, we HATE crying. It is not so easy to get a person out once we’ve let you in. Well for me anyway.

I figured it is...he's said it on multiple occasions but then still doesn't trust me or believe what I say...I chalk that up to his moon to Pluto aspect. He is def not a cryer and I know that had to get to him too being that vulnerable. But I understand it...I'm the same way. I guess I just wish he'd tell me straight out right ....he's tried but then says he doesn't want to talk about it or his feelings and I don't push him to do so...again I understand that too lol.

It’s hard to talk about feelings unless you feel completely safe to. There is something about the Leo energy that is safe for me. Even so, sometimes even when you want to, you need to be encouraged. I do better emotionally in that scenario. I mean you don’t want to be forced but encouraged.. does that make sense? I’m not saying his behavior is acceptable but aqua moons do better with understanding. I also have a little experience with a Leo and all that behavior tends to cover up the real stuff. You get past it, and they don’t act like that ( or the one I know). Or i should say if you don’t put up with it, they stop feeling the need to do it.

That's what I try and do with him...I want him to feel comfortable enough to open up and I stop when he's no longer comfortable. Real stuff as in ..shit in their head? Or trusting someone?

Trusting someone, loving & caring about someone and treating them well.

I gotcha. I can def see that about him but I probably won't ever experience it lol....and now especially after all this shit last night or this morning. Even though he claims he doesn't care that I'm seeing someone...like it doesn't bother him.

Haha oh he does!! But doesn’t matter if you guys can’t get past this stage.

I honestly hope we can one of these days and I know everyone is rolling their eyes at that due to his fucked up behavior and I'm rolling my eyes too but idk I just have a feeling we would be great together especially because we really are two of the same coin and as long as I get that from him and not this crap. So fucked up lol.

Yes very fucked up. Who knows what the future holds. He needs to get it under control & have the real convos with you. But he’s probably spun out right now. I say move on. He will catch up & do what it takes if he wants that.

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And that's what I personally have been trying to do...move on and if it happens it happens ...if not it's all for the best.

Doesn’t matter anyway he’s gonna end up with someone uglier than you

Leo men love ugly women idk what it is