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Two things, Chatz:

1) him asking about "your other boyfriend" says he's fishing about your interest in any other guy at this time and, in guy-speak, he's telling you he finds you very attractive. (After all, you'd have to be to have another boyfriend).

2) him asking you over to his place is HUGE. I've had gal friends that wanted to be more than friends, that have NEVER been to my place and never will be---some of these girls I've known for over ten years. When a guy has you over to his place he is exposing himself too you: his interests, his environment, his choices, his willingness to share his Fortress Of Solitude. This guy is INTO YOU right now but being passive Libra this is as much risk as he can give you right now.
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so ok the last couple of times we've gotten together, well actually the last 4 times have been by his instigation....is it time that I initiated it again or should I let him continue the way and at the speed he wants it to go??

I basically just send a text every now and then just to let him know IM thinking of him - usually I find a fairly good reason to text and then make a joke out of it and know it'll bring a smile to his face...he always replies...sometimes he texts back and out of nowhere he's got a date booked with me, other times he catches me online and we chat for a while and he plucks up the courage at the end of the chat (usually when we're saying goodnight) to ask if I'd like to catch up with him. Should I let this continue or should I be a little bit more pursuasive/pro-active? I did a lot of the chasing earlier on in the "r/ship" but have backed off since he said he wasn't "ready for a r/ship"...he's done all the work since then (6 weeks now). I'd have thought I'd see him less but to be honest, I've seen him more and more *shrugs*

Hmmmm and one more irritating thing he said:..."I find more positives in being single than negatives"....grrrrrrrrrrrrr....he keeps me at bay that's for sure....one minute he's being sensitive and wonderful, the next he comes out with that....he said it while we were watching a movie - a romantic comedy LOL. I CANNOT for the life of me work this one out - he's got me dangling like a puppet and I think he knows it.
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thanks Atom and Nic....its amazing how you can decipher what these men do (not just Librans by the way - just men in general)....its clear women and men think and do things so completely differently. I must admit I was beginning to wonder if all the other women (not that there would be many but Im thinking grand scale regardless LOL) are/were better and more important than myself. I truly was questioning how this guy felt and why I wasn't "allowed" to see where he hung out, although I took him home once, I've never been inside so I do feel honoured 🙂

I know, patience, patience, patience....the rest will slowly follow *thinks positive*
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oh and I don't know if you watch "Sopranos" over there - Im sure you do as it was made in the US but my Libra guy is a huge fan and got the dvd collection for Xmas....he asked if I liked it and I said I only saw the first one but it comes on pretty late (around 11.30pm) on a weeknight - that's a killer, and then he mentioned the dvds and I said "well why don't you bring them around next time so we can watch together rather than be prisoners to what's on television, yada yada yada".....He said "That's a great idea"...almost like a light bulb switched on in his head as if to say "why didn't I think of that"....LOL....can't be anything nicer than watching something together rather than alone 🙂 Ahhhh yes Im full of ideas....but he was keen - that's a good sign 🙂 I was half expecting him to come up with an excuse not to....like I said...he's got me totally confused....up and down, then up and down again....I feel like a yo-yo!!!
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Okay. Now we settle. No yo-yo'ing. Only nic' can answer you clearly from the Libra guy's perspective. But I can answer you on a general guy's perspective.

What you've been doing has been working.

(ponder)

IF you want to invite him out, it depends on the invite. IMO if you make dinner for him and ask him over that is a huge clear signal that you REALLY like him. (I remember when I was in my twenties and a PYT made CURTAINS for my place---I was so ignorant my MOTHER had to tell me this girl had her eyes on me for husband material. Oops, I digress).

Anyway, if you do something specifically FOR him, it should be clear to him how you feel.

SO the next question is, "Has he hinted around that he wants you to ask him out?"

(ponder)
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hmmm Atom - that's good info - have to laugh at the husband material though hehehe.

"Has he hinted around that he wants you to ask him out?"....ummm well you see that's where I am lost....not quite but when I left an invitation for my bosses joint birthday party which is at the end of March (still ages to go) laying on the coffee table a few weeks ago, it had the address, etc....he mentioned the venue 3 or 4 times that evening (he never did so in the past - never mentioned that he'd ever been there, etc). I'd LOVE to take him but too scared he'll reject the invite.

Also, I told him about an Engagement party I had to go to a few weeks back and he said "can I come" jokingly and I knew he had his daughter that Saturday night so it was a no-goer. I have asked him out early in the piece but he always had other plans but now Im too scared to ask - we do fear rejection also 😛

When he stays over, he goes home to shower, etc......I've offered that he gets showered and changed at my place but he likes his "own stuff" which is fair enough, and I always offer to make him something to eat but he always refuses politely.....he's VERY polite and neat and tidy. i don't know what to think.

I wouldn't even know how to invite him now - I did all this at the start (probably too soon but ya get that). I told him about a great pub that he has never been to and he was keen to find out all about it and go there but he hasn't yet...he's brought the name up a few times though....is that a hint? and is mentioning the place the b/day party is going to be several times a hint??

Gawd!! am I really THAT thick?? OMG don't answer that

Ummmm but a clear indication— nope I don't think so
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***Ironically yeah, it is. Unless I feel considerable emotions for a girl I keep it all at her place.

Funny, my Libra friend has only been to my house a couple times. 90% of the time I have been going to his house. When I go to bathroom, he always says, you know where my t-shirts are, put one on and put my slippers on. He always ask if I want something to drink/eat and serves me etc. So damn polite...
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"Gawd!! am I really THAT thick?? OMG don't answer that"

Okay. I won't.

😉

Chatz, to me those are clear enough indications. If I were you, I'd ask him out to one of those things and if he says "Yes," you'll have a great time. If he says, "No," just shrug your shoulders and act nonchalant---that will usually drive a guy nutz because he's expecting you to act like he's let you down.

In my mind, if a girl starts wearing a perfume I recommended, I would think she bought it for BOTH of us. Sure he's flattered. Sure he's in heaven. Yeah, you smell GREAT and that aromatic connection is made (he'll think of you AND that perfume at the same time). Is that enough? Well, I think you can answer that by asking yourself, "If a man bought a cologne YOU liked and wore it for you and because he liked it also, would that be enough?" Er, sorry. I don't think so.

You MAY want to *hint, hint* concentrate on working on ALL the senses. (Remember the old adage, "The way to a man's heart is through his stomach?" We guys are STILL suckers for a wonderful meal a wonderful woman made for us).
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OK Atom I will ask him to my bosses' birthday bash....I will bring it up in light discussion when I see him this week - that will give him plenty of notice to make sure he doesnt have his daughter that night, in fact Im sure that Saturday night is his rostered night on with her so it'll give him a chance to turn that around and if he says no, he has other plans, it'll be clear he's not interested (coz I know he can change a Saturday night to a Friday night if planned ahead)....gawd, out of my comfort zone again - ewwwwwww LOL.

Oh and the perfume?? I didn't mean it quite as that but that's big surely!!! the brat didn't even say thank you!!! LOL. Actually come to think of it, I did mention a cologne I liked - it'll be interesting to see if he'll do some research and/or whether he took it in at all - thanks for reminding me!!

Food? yes but he always rejects my offers....he's only being polite but what more can I do apart from handcuff him, which he'd like 😉 and make him sit down to eat??

Oh and something else....he's always finding stuff out about me and then says "I'll remember that for later", i.e. I love oysters and M&M's, that kinda thing....and I told him I love the 3 day growth look...he said "I'll remember that"....what's in that—
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I hope it's not M&M's PLUS oysters.

When he says, "I'll remember that for later" he means IF you're still in the picture later! Because Libras have better memories than elephants. Maybe a year will go by and he will QUOTE you what you said to him 11 months ago! OR you're just out tooling around and he'll buy you those M&M's on a whim---KNOWING you told him.

I've done that with Libra Girl. She'll mentioned something casually and I'll act like I didn't even hear her. A few weeks later THERE IT IS. (GUYS get credit just for LISTENING! Ha!).

He's making his mental list. AS he gets more serious, more of these these are going to show up for you.

You can invite him for food and make it clear he HAS always rejected your offers before. See what he says!

ONE THING that really frustrates some of us other signs is that Libra WILL be blatantly truthful---so be ready for the truth from his perspective, because at times it can sting---BUT it WILL be the truth!

You are right on about asking his to the Boss Bash---for all the reasons you gave. Hey, Chatz, we want to know where we stand after all, right?

Oh, just thought about something else: Libras HATE making decisions, right? So I've "invited" Libra Girl to my place with, "I'm making dinner for us Friday night at my place at 6PM. I'll pick you up at 5:30PM." Now to me, and probably to you, that sounds BOSSY. But she almost ALWAYS goes for it---simply because she doesn't have to make a decision. WEIRD compared to how I'm used to asking someone. But she seems to like it.


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ewwww no not M&M's and oysters!!! LOL

Yeah I know the TRUTH thing...and yup it does sting but he knows that I appreciate honesty above everything else...that's what I told him when he said he wasn't "ready for a r/ship".....I said thank you for being honest with me 🙂....since then, things have been better and stronger *rolls eyes*

Making decisions? OMG yes....that's so cute what you do....and with mine?? he actually texts me to ask what wine I want, i.e. "are we drinking red or bubbly tonight"...its just so cute....he offered to have me come to his house rather than go to mine because my air conditioner didn't work as well as his does in this heat...and then said "what do you think?" *giggles*

He's certainly got me in a tailspin hasn't he?? my goodness, I was ok until I heard from him over the weekend and now seen him again...I was doing so well - sheesh!!

I'll take your suggestion though Tom!! I will tell him that Im making a plate of nibblies, to bring his dvd's, a bottle of red (and I'll have the other one ready - don't worry, its equal opportunity in my house), to be there at a certain time and he'll probably just do it and not argue!!

Thanks for the advice 🙂
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Yeah this one is that's for sure....come to think of it, we haven't had an argument/disagreement...just fun stuff and play fights but nothing dramatic....not sure how he'd take it, he'd probably bolt LOL. I've got a few draft emails ready to send to him but to date haven't been able to hit the "send" button....just gotta pluck up enough courage like QS and let the fun begin or ultimately lose the man altogether. ON Sunday night he said "you're being a little sarcastic there?" with a few comments I made and yes I was....Im tiring of being played like a puppet and I was so ready to continue the silent treatment continuing from last week until he pursued yet again......grrrrrr you're right Libra, Grrrrrrr!!!
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The thing is some of them need to be educated a bit, but funnily enough they themselves are the first to admit it once you point it out...

Don't write! Verbal is better, if you can do it...

The one minute approach is good. That's what we do. So he'll probably know how to take it. But once you've said your bit either kiss him full on the lips, like a quick big smacker and walk away - bur a confident one that combined with the complaint blows him away completely (yet he knows nothing has changed) or crack a fantastic joke at your own expense. In other words, say what you have to say but keep the aftermath light...

Some are at Kindergarten stage, I tell you...
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I think with a Libra male, it's quite what you see is what you get. There is no hidden agenda. They reach out when they want you to know. What I mean is, you probably already know what you need to know, if you have a chat with yourself...

Or just go and get the answer, if you need a bit of revenge. Make him feel like an arse because he'll have to come clean. However, you can also just let him rot for a bit...

All these angles...
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Hey.. all. I have been away for a bit it is good to see you all still here. Lovin my libra. Went to see him Saturday night. He had to work so I went to work with him and his best friend kept me company while he worked. WOW! He is a really good DJ. I was amazed, all night I was in a daze. He texted me.. UR Beautiful.. while he was DJing.. I thought that was soo sweet. We were texting back and forth. Really fun. Then he got his boy to DJ for a minute so he could sit with me, and he walked up to me and planted a really juicy one on me and OMG!!!! I about pissed my pants 🙂 He did that 2x to me.. WOW!! (head is still not clear from that one) anyway.. we spent the night together and it was a great time!!! WOW! ok so yeah.. yup... wow... yup... anyway... still tryin to get my mind clear again from the visions that haunt me every second of the day... am hopelessly in love. Told him he has a way with women that render them helpless and he cannot help it, he is a libra and they have that mystical power.. so while he was DJing he let his boy DJ and he came up behind me and said.."You come here often".. I said, "this is my first time", he said "yeah me too"... I was crackin up.. He said, "see that is the kind of line I use and it never works, I don't have any mystical powers"..So, anyway.. he is supposed to be writing me his true feelings sometime soon. He said he started an email to me, but it is still in his "draft" file. I know I put the ?whammies" on him, I could tell in his eyes as I was getting ready to leave. I was all nonchalant about it.. he kept saying.."this is the hardest part".. I was still really blas? about it.. He was lying on the bed with is head handing off the edge and I came up in front of him and tenderly kissed him upside down, then I wiped my lipstick off his lips really hard..and said "its really not your color".. he really liked that, I could tell! Fun.. I am so scared guys, things are so perfect.. almost too perfect.. There was one waitress at the bar that I could tell had "a thing" for him.. she kept coming up behind him, hugging on him and stuff.. I started to feel some way, but then I told myself to let it go.. This is his job, and he invited me, even after I gave him plenty of chances to back out, he still insisted I come. He tried to pay for my hotel and gas.. I said "NO WAY". He already spent a bunch on dinner.. we had sushi, and I never had that before so he bought 4 different kinds for me to try.. It was awesome..
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.. I love the stuff(sushi), but I was nervous at first. So that was the only draw back.. this chic (waitress), but like I said, he clearly showed me he is interested, so I am trying not to worry. I know how attractive he is, been knowing him for way too long. Maybe they had a past.. I dunno, but he thought I was mad at him.. he kept asking me and his boy asked me too.. I said, NOPE! If I was mad believe me I would be on my way back home by now". I am hoping I gave him something to think about and he will quit that sh** really quick if something is going on and he wants to deal with me. He knows me and how I am and I will be lenient for a while, but when that while is up, not sure what will happen? love or no love..
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So.. Chatz.. you bad girl you.. you spent another night with your libra? WOW ok.. and he wants to see you again?? But your at the "what's up" stage and I feel you. This stuff is hard, very hard.. one of the keys to success I am learning is patience and a blase attitude (really) about everything.. that is the only way you can make it throught. Otherwise you will go insane. You gotta kind of take some of the control back from them. They are VERY controlling even though they act like they are not.. the control is different. They want everything to go their way, even though they give off this non-caring attitude they feel exactly the opposite! I promise. Because often their actions do not match their words.. that is how I figured my libra had feelings he never spoke of.. kept referencing "US" and we had never talked about an "US" before. Another thing I am learning is face-to-face is a weakness of theirs! as long as they can keep you at a distance they are okay.. when you materialize and become real, they are made like a child.. or putty in your hand.. whatever you want they will do to please you.. and that is why I am in love.. but so his he.. I think..
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"Another thing I am learning is face-to-face is a weakness of theirs! as long as they can keep you at a distance they are okay.. when you materialize and become real, they are made like a child.. or putty in your hand.. whatever you want they will do to please you.. and that is why I am in love.. but so his he.. I think.."

Why do you have to be telling the world our secrets? 😉

Good to hear from you again, it sounds like things are going perfectly. I was paying a lot of attention to the way you were describing his DJ'ing...now you can see why we are so enchanted by having a muse.
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"They want everything to go their way, even though they give off this non-caring attitude they feel exactly the opposite! I promise. Because often their actions do not match their words"....yeah THAT is what confuses me sooooooooo much coz of the things he does when he's around and I don't just mean that ok?? LOL.....just the little things I've noticed, especially of late!!! THEN he goes and says something really stupid as if he's intentionally pushing me away yet not enough for me to be too angry, just enough to make me analyze for days on end.

Im so glad I called away to a couple of meetings....OMG am I so glad...that draft email— I have come back and read it and its just all wrong...phew!!! So I've sent him a couple of funny emails (forwards) - just to get him to remember moi 🙂...it never ends does it?? LOL

I am soooooooo happy for you Brats....you've done well girly!!! *high 5* and about time your man did tell you his true feelings and you MUST share with us or else 😛

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Now guys.. off of cloud 9 again.. I guess it is a cycle. I can't expect it to all be good.. can I? Him and these other chic's are a weak point for me. He is out right now with one and it is killing me. He went to a party last week she was supposed to be at and she wasn't even there, now he is at the bar where she works. I don't know the nature of their relationship, but it doesn't really matter why would he be hanging out with someone else that much if he wanted to be with me? He should have just been with her? I can't question him and I won't, but if I act any different he will know it is because of this chic. I am having a hard time with this one area of our relationship.

Chatz.. the single sites.. yes they are painful to know he visits them, but the real life girls, hurt way worse!
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Aqua, this must be said. All the libras I know have a lot of female friends, who they don't particularly shag. Libras have a sensitive understanding side that attracts girls and make them good advice givers... Trust me I know.

However, you never know either. Invite him and the girl out one evening and see what he says and say, "why don't you bring whats her name we should have a blast!"

Chatz, the sites are probably like porn to him, something he likes to do, if it bothers you, you are going to eventually have to tell him...
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aqua, there IS that side of Libra you have to "put up with." They are natural flirts so they go off and flirt with whoever of the opposite sex, even smile a lot, tap their arm, give them a hug, all that. THEY would be "hurt" if you did that. But for some reason they seem allowed. I put Libra Girl to the test---just let her flirt away at a public event and made myself scarce seeing if she'd "get it" and try to track me down after she was done. Well, after she got it out of her system, she looked around and couldn't find me, seemed to panic some. Then, of course, she came running and apologized for taking so long and told me all the conversations she had with the others---I didn't say a thing---and I had her undivided attention the rest of the night.

They DO this. Libras are the social butterflies. It would DEVESTATE them if you did it! NONE of those relationships are solid. And, if you're in doubt, just ask your Libra. He'll tell you. IMO, your relationship will grow STRONGER if you just ignore this aspect of him---because he'll think you really understand him and understand that YOU are far more important than the other girls.

(And if necessary, I'm always open to writing a Nimrod Letter to him for you. LOL!)
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I kinda agree not that I like it myself....mine continually makes little comments about other guys (just feeling me out) and if I should happen to get a text while we're together at night? he harps about it for a while LOL (come to think of it, his phone NEVER goes off when we are together, and he's always got it on and on the table in front of us - doesn't hide it so I figure that there aren't THAT many women into him *shrugs*)....also the other night I was chatting online with him and "I" cut it really short and logged off at 9.00pm (unheard of for me LOL) and he questioned as to what I got up to after that....actually come to think of it, he does question me a lot but I tend to just let him tell me his "stuff" naturally which he does.

QS I never thought of it that way (porn LOL)...It wouldn't bother me if I knew where he was "at" in his head/heart. What does bother me is that he knows Im attached to him, and yet he still sees me, he knows it would hurt if we were to part ways now. And it bothers me TERRIBLY that he's that nice when we are together, yet so aloof when we're not. TERRIBLY

Did I mention Terribly?? LOL

Aqua...perhaps when you are out with him you might like to just chat to other guys like he does to his lady friends? I don't think it would be any use bragging about being out with other guys - I have a feeling it would be better to see his REAL reaction in REAL time?? also, perhaps its time not to be so available again?? Don't answer his calls/texts for a while....see if he panics! this is what mine did recently and now I've seen him 3 times in just over a week whereas before this I would be lucky to see him once a fortnight!! I know you live a long way apart unlike me, its 5 minutes down the road, but see what you can conjur up and good luck with it, oh and don't forget to go out and have fun with your friends 🙂
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Well QS, we live three hours away so I think the inviting the chic with some of my friends and his friends thing can't happen and I am not sure if I am strong enough for that. He said one of his ex's did that.. invited this chic he is always talking about to his bday party she had for him several years back and then got very very jealous of the chic bc she did not expect her to be that pretty. He said she would always bring it up to him after that. I think that would be me and I am not even his girl yet, that may ruin it for me though..

Atom.. I like what you did.. that was clever. When I was there last weekend, (at work with my libra) the manager of the bar kept walking pass me staring.. I told my libra at the end of the night and he said "yeah, he kept asking me about you, like where I met you and stuff".. he said it like he was jealous. Plus I was joking and laffin with his boy all night, then this really really fine guy stood right in front of my table and kept whispering to this guy next to him and smiling at me.. mind you I am at the table with my libras bf.. obviously this guy did not care.. Did I mention he was fine! Yes, he was. See I could act out if I was that type of chic, but I was being good. I had to blush though, bc he was being so obvious about it, guys don't act like there where I am from, it was refreshing. Maybe my libra did see that and that is why he came up to me and started french kissing me infront of everybody (2 times).. hmmm hmmm.. now that I think about it, that was probably it.

Guys!! Libras!! Strange creatures..

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"Well QS, we live three hours away so I think the inviting the chic with some of my friends and his friends thing can't happen and I am not sure if I am strong enough for that. He said one of his ex's did that.. invited this chic he is always talking about to his bday party she had for him several years back and then got very very jealous of the chic bc she did not expect her to be that pretty. He said she would always bring it up to him after that. I think that would be me and I am not even his girl yet, that may ruin it for me though.."

Brat, it sounds to me like this chic has been around for a while with a hankering for your man... All things considered, your man has had an open door and a flashing invitation for quite some time. If he was at all interested in her, would he be with you now? He had his opportunity, and he passed it up, voluntarily, and went for you. Obviously you have something she could never give him, and more importantly, she lacks something important that he truly desires. Even more than that, anything with her would have to be far easier than establishing and having kept a relationship with you (considering the distance). I would have to say, obviously, he is not going there now or later, especially when he has a relationship with a waomn that he is willing to put the extra, extra effort into. I don't know...just thinking out loud...

Personally, I would not be jealous. He wants you, not her. Now maybe some new little hoochie, but not one of the old, could have "been there, done that" ones... Just a thought, though. I can totally understand that it might be a bit harder for others to believe that. And, who knows, I could be wrong.

But, whether you let it bother you or not, never forget that he chose to be with you, not her. It does sound like any jealousy you display, whether just outright stating it or subconscious reactions to them, might not go over too well, given the story he told you about his ex... :/

I don't know. I wish luck in finding a harmonious resolution to this, whether personal or otherwise. 🙂