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Posted by capricornmoon
They hate our big noses, they hate our lips, they hate our hair, then came weaves, now they hate our weaves, they hate our young black men, they hate our music but will jack the shit out of it, they hate our big butts, but will eagerly put on a twerk production on music award shows, they hate our skin color, they hate our neighborhoods but will set up a liquor shop, a beauty supply shop, a crusty chicken and fries shop in a hot minute, the only thing they don't hate is the money they get from poor, disenfranchised, no resources or education having blacks. They love that though. They are the easiest target.

idk bout all that but tbh I was kinda happy to see that title loan place on fire. Cus that is financial exploitation at its finest.
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Posted by capricornmoon
They hate our big noses, they hate our lips, they hate our hair, then came weaves, now they hate our weaves, they hate our young black men, they hate our music but will jack the shit out of it, they hate our big butts, but will eagerly put on a twerk production on music award shows, they hate our skin color, they hate our neighborhoods but will set up a liquor shop, a beauty supply shop, a crusty chicken and fries shop in a hot minute, the only thing they don't hate is the money they get from poor, disenfranchised, no resources or education having blacks. They love that though. They are the easiest target.



^^^^ complete load of horseshit

Straight self-loathing.
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@Seraph:normally I respect and agree with your views but I must part company...in this case.

You undermine your own argument by saying the word verdict and calling Mr. Brown a felon. The fact is, Mr Brown was never convicted of a felony because he doesn't get his day in court. The stealing of the cigars(if he did it) is a Class A MISDEMEANOR under Missouri law and so is the pushing down of the store owner. That's Simple Assault(the intent) and BATTERY(the actual touching or pushing) also a Class A MISDEAMNOR under that state's law. Most likely if he had been charged(Mr Brown), it wouldn't have been for a felony because the value is less than $ 500. Even with the assault of Mr Wilson, still no actual conviction. Mr. Brown has no previous criminal record and since he was never tried or convicted of any crime...he is not a criminal regardless of how you want to characterize him. Mr Wilson, however, does have a history of excessive force. He worked for another local jurisdiction in Missouri that was subsequently disbanded by its own city council because of all the complaints of abuse and excessive force resulting in lawsuits. That city annexed into greater St Louis county and Wilson then was employed with the Ferguson police. That is a fact.
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Posted by CluelessCancer
But ask yourselves this why is it that WHITE people are defending the actions of the cop? And why is it the same White people defend any actions against black people that end up in their murder.

continuous cycle on DXP. black men can't ever get a break from white men especially because you love to kill niggahs. Since your grandaddy did it, you think it's your fuking right.

well one day the revolution will occur and it will be your babies that will be burning.



Why? Probably instinct or some sheet
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Moreover, the law states that you are innocent until proven guilty and that remains true regardless of the "evidence" that presented. In fact, the law doesn't even allow for a "verdict" of innocence. It's either guilty or not guilty. Hence, asking "why" is more important than "how" or "if you look at the evidence its easy to..." because why determines what needs to be changed and therefore the law itself. Any first year law student knows why is most important. It sets the stage for everything else.

I rest my case...
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Except for a few posts (thanks Seraph), this thread is full of a lot of bile.
I've watched the news prior to the grand jury decision and listened to the rabble trousers with the subtext of "facts be damned, indict or we''ll riot".
The intention was to riot and loot anyway, IMHO.
We'll never get the straight answer, but it would be interesting to see how many of the rioters/looters are actually FROM Ferguson.

And the media a**hats are just as bad, helping fan the flames. There is a special place in Hell for those mother****ers.

Hey, but at least some of the people got some early Christmas shopping done via the five finger discount.
Way to "stick it to the man", dumba**es. There is a good likelihood that a number of those businesses were minority owned. What sane person would reopen in that area? (Think Watts, or Detroit).



Five finger discount 😆
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Canceronthecusp, your quotient of bile?
If the intention was to riot and loot anyway it would have never stopped. People waited and reacted.

Weave, wigs, make up were afforded to white women first. We were slaves. Wasn't afforded shit for many years. We get weaves and wigs and get mocked. I'm sure when we wanted these luxuries we were laughed at very similar to your emoticon.
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Oh oh! I just remembered a time when I was scared of a black man. You know who it was? It was Snoop, he had serious back the fuck up energy.



you met him?
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No not like "meet" him. Just saw him at the HOB bout 5 to 10 feet away from where he was performing.

But seriously even if I had the opportunity to say hi, I think I'd pass.
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
I don't think there was a single "cac" on this thread that denied the history that CC presented.....nor said they hated anyone.

It's always the elusive "They".

I really do believe that is part of the problem.

"They" screw up everything.

Is there even a "They".....really?

Every single person is unique and the only differences are not race. Their is all kinds of shaming these days.....race, weight, gender, economics, sexual preference....the list is neverending.

....and it's always "They" or "Them" that become the culprit.

Do you associate yourself with "Them" or "They" when people point fingers?



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Posted by VenusAquarius
Posted by Wynter
Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
Except for a few posts (thanks Seraph), this thread is full of a lot of bile.
I've watched the news prior to the grand jury decision and listened to the rabble trousers with the subtext of "facts be damned, indict or we''ll riot".
The intention was to riot and loot anyway, IMHO.
We'll never get the straight answer, but it would be interesting to see how many of the rioters/looters are actually FROM Ferguson.

And the media a**hats are just as bad, helping fan the flames. There is a special place in Hell for those mother****ers.

Hey, but at least some of the people got some early Christmas shopping done via the five finger discount.
Way to "stick it to the man", dumba**es. There is a good likelihood that a number of those businesses were minority owned. What sane person would reopen in that area? (Think Watts, or Detroit).



Five finger discount 😆
"got momma some weave!"



Canceronthecusp, your quotient of bile?
If the intention was to riot and loot anyway it would have never stopped. People waited and reacted.
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So you're saying there wasn't any rioting or looting, that the TV camera was lying?
If rioting and looting wasn't the intent, then what was being shown on the TV, an ice cream social?

The waiting you mention is called using a pretext to mask intended behavior. I'm sure if one dug, they could find statements of intent to riot if the jury decided not to indict.


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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
I don't understand why it has to be so segregated....because the reality is, it's not.

We're made to believe this illusion that we are so different, yet we aren't. We are all in the same boat.

We are all fighting the same fight.

The people who suffer the brunt of this situation are the lower to middle class....and I believe that is the majority of most Americans, regardless of colour.

There is just a few percentage points of people in this country who own the largest percentage of wealth.

....but we are all conditioned to keep the 'hate' going.

If that lower to middle class were to become more unified....the few percentage points of the wealthy would become extremely worried.

So, what better way than to keep us at each other's throats....and create this almight "They" we toss back and forth like it's another name for the Devil?

We really are foolish, imo.



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Of course-- everyone knows (or should know) that a house divided against itself

cannot stand.... how much more so a society.


God forbid we discover that we have an enemy greater than the white/black/

yellow/red/purple family than lives down the street.

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@Seraph: that's the point!

It doesn't matter what you and I label his behavior. The Due Process clause of the Constitution says you are innocent until proven guilty...as in the evidence and facts being presented in a court of law and a conviction of those accused crimes is handed down by a jury of his peers...and that's both parties. That goes to the equal protection clause, which the Missouri statute clearly violates and I suspect will be challenged by the Justice Department and summarily stricken down. It's why "accused criminals"(in your words) have rights. You can't even call them criminals in a court of law during or before the trial. It will raise an immediate objection as inflammatory...which would be sustained. Yeah, its called criminal court but legally its is used to describe the process and not the actual person.

At any rate, all I presented was factual evidence to the contrary of your posts about Mr Brown. If you're going to trumpet the law and justice, apply the same standard of innocent until proven guilty to him as you did Mr Wilson. The law prescribes that standard be applied regardless of state law. Doesn't matter what evidence of behavior is on videos. This may be an inconvenient truth that blocks any credibility on you passing judgement but that is why we have the court system. You've even convicted Mr Brown in the true bill(indictment) phase where guilt or innocence isn't determined. Even the D.A. showed restraint in not convicting either. So in fact, innocence is implied because it's only the indictment phase evidence or no. So calling him a criminal undermines your argument...again and all I had to do was state the contrary. The Missouri police statutes, videos, etc may convict him in the court of public opinion but doesn't hold water when it comes to actual procedure.
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@Seraph: that very same process doesn't convict either. So to use that as justification for you saying Brown is a criminal is actually disingenuous and more so...hypocritical. Again, the indictment phase doesn't seek guilt or no guilt(innocence is not a recognized term in the court system. Only acquittal and even that doesn't imply guilt or innocence) and only looks for probable cause.

What you did was use the question of was the outcome of the True Bill investigation as a trojan horse to make a larger point to Mr Brown's criminality...which by that same procedure you use doesn't determine that because it would be illegal. Also, the Missouri statute is unconstitutional as written and only applies because it is yet to be challenged but most people in the field of law don't argue it's unconstitutionality. Therefore, you can't have it both ways if you want to remain credible. Relying on one set of facts while ignoring the equally compelling evidence to determine criminality(in your own view) while the process itself doesn't do that. A rush to judgement. Something I've seen you chide others for.

Oh well, to each his/her own.
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
the most interesting thing about these threads that are about race....and there have been many in the five years I've been here is.........

this is an *Astrology* site. When it comes to Astrology, there is absolutely no relevance to race whatsoever. none. nada. zilch.

There are people of all races, cultures, countries, sexual orientation, sizes, sexual orientation...and whatever else makes each of us unique.....on this site....

we all sit here for hours and read thread after thread.....and we can all relate to each other and see ourselves in each other......despite our differences on the "outside". most of the time we don't even know what race a poster is unless they have a picture.

Ea really is correct in saying, it all starts in knowing ourselves. *REALLY* knowing who we are without all the labels society tries to stick on us.



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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
I don't understand why it has to be so segregated....because the reality is, it's not.

We're made to believe this illusion that we are so different, yet we aren't. We are all in the same boat.

We are all fighting the same fight.

The people who suffer the brunt of this situation are the lower to middle class....and I believe that is the majority of most Americans, regardless of colour.

There is just a few percentage points of people in this country who own the largest percentage of wealth.

....but we are all conditioned to keep the 'hate' going.

If that lower to middle class were to become more unified....the few percentage points of the wealthy would become extremely worried.

So, what better way than to keep us at each other's throats....and create this almight "They" we toss back and forth like it's another name for the Devil?

We really are foolish, imo.



This right here!

Seriously... White people, well most of my family friends and people in my neighborhood are struggling just as hard as black and brown.

This infamous "they" the powers that be, the system... Wtf ever. They don't give a fuck bout my white ass either. They care about money. Their money. That's it.

I completely 100% agree the system is fucked up and corrupted. Absolutely. But... You're average Joe white people ain't the problem. Putting us all in the same boat isn't the solution. I'm not gonna act like I know what the solution is, but I know black and brown and white have a common enemy and it's the fucking government and these rich fucks at the top. But they want us to fight. If we unite we have strength in numbers, not wealth and power but numbers. But that will never happen. Nah, not in this time.
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I live right down the street from that rec that 12 yr old boy was shot at. It's sad that he was so young but COME ON that's so fucking stupid to wave a gun around and then pull it out on a cop! That's just lack of common sense, no home training.

Cleveland cops aren't really racist either. Suburb cops are though. Cleveland cops are very mixed from what I've seen. In the burbs tho, it's kinda bad. Don't think I've ever even seen a black cop in this one Suburb parma. My friends didn't even wanna come see me when I lived there because they'd pull you over for being black. And black with a white girl in the car... Shit you for sure getting pulled over.

Yea Cleveland cops are kind of too busy with real crime to nick pick and fuck with people just because like that. Not saying 100% , but this is the kind of city you wait 2 hours when it's an actual emergency.
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Posted by Jynja

Have you ever had a child you fear for because you live in an environment where he could be killed because he is 100 pounds overweight an arresting officer who has a gun... and cannot find anywhere else to shoot to save himself but through your son's head?




This isn't relevant to the case.

Have you, for example, ever had a child you fear for because he's liable to do something really stupid like, say, challenge a cop, verbally or physically? or assault a cop (even *threatening* police is a form of assault), and so on.

Weight isn't the issue here, now is it.

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And really stop hammering on the robbery. No amount of stolen cigs are worth a human life.




He didn't lose his life over stolen cigs, Jynj.
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Gosh with you... man!?!
One minute you say his size is relevant, then the "aggravated robbery," then the law is the law... just switching, reverting, back peddling, googling as your logic and knowledge is proven wrong, incorrect, inaccurate. Running round in circles, saying give the cop a break, then hiding the message.

Do you know who you are?
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Posted by Jynja

And really stop hammering on the robbery. No amount of stolen cigs are worth a human life.



Hey..there's 3rd world countries you can move to without a legal system. Don't like the laws in the country? Don't let the flag smack you on the ass on the way out. This way you can reward your kid when he beats up old women for a pack of cigarettes or bashes an authorative figure in the head three times while cheering him on.
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Posted by Jynja

And really stop hammering on the robbery. No amount of stolen cigs are worth a human life.



Hey..there's 3rd world countries you can move to without a legal system. Don't like the laws in the country? Don't let the flag smack you on the ass on the way out. This way you can reward your kid when he beats up old women for a pack of cigarettes or bashes an authorative figure in the head three times while cheering him on.
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That's great.. All the people who actually are upset leave the country and all that's left is you lemmings. Then youll be treated like everyone in the rest of the world because of your passivity.
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Posted by KVZZMIR11
Reading through this thread Seraph continues to ignore citizens harassed by cops who are NOT committing crimes, who posed no threat, and get harassed anyway.

Of course Seraph ignores all the laws cops are enforcing because they are IMMORAL scumbags who choose paychecks over making the right decision.

I've seen first-hand how squeamish today's cops seem to be. Shooting citizens for simply reaching into their pockets, or the back of their vehicles, as if slightest movement becomes opportunity for cops to start shooting. They watch videos of cops getting gunned down all day, and think its reality, when in FACT a cop is more likely to shoot someone undeserving.

A cop's job is statistically less dangerous than your garbage collector, and garbage collectors don't shoot everyone suspect.

Why does Seraph accept this fallacy that "officer safety is MORE important than HIS safety?" People put their hands in their pockets, run at me, and reach for things around me all of the time, and I have never felt the urge to shoot them!

Probably because I am not a trigger happy coward.

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LOL @ Seraph's slave mentality, bowing to his masters!

He is a disgrace to Leos.



Can't believe how many in dxp think assault on an elderly woman, robbing her and then assaulting a police officer in the same hour is ok.

Like I said...don't like our laws....LEAVE.
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Yes, the law allows for deadly force but gives the officer the power of judge, jury, and executioner. At that point, your placing his rights over someone else's. That's not equal and why people are pissed and to dismiss that is...well...disappointing.



This SHOULD be the reason why people are pissed off. Unfortunately, it has been.. and will ALWAYS be about race. Other than that.. well said.
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Thank you sir and I agree agree wholeheartedly. As much as I'd like to jump past race, and that's where my heart is, race is a puzzle tyst has to be solved first. Great words on your part.
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Posted by KVZZMIR11
Reading through this thread Seraph continues to ignore citizens harassed by cops who are NOT committing crimes, who posed no threat, and get harassed anyway.

Of course Seraph ignores all the laws cops are enforcing because they are IMMORAL scumbags who choose paychecks over making the right decision.

I've seen first-hand how squeamish today's cops seem to be. Shooting citizens for simply reaching into their pockets, or the back of their vehicles, as if slightest movement becomes opportunity for cops to start shooting. They watch videos of cops getting gunned down all day, and think its reality, when in FACT a cop is more likely to shoot someone undeserving.

A cop's job is statistically less dangerous than your garbage collector, and garbage collectors don't shoot everyone suspect.

Why does Seraph accept this fallacy that "officer safety is MORE important than HIS safety?" People put their hands in their pockets, run at me, and reach for things around me all of the time, and I have never felt the urge to shoot them!

Probably because I am not a trigger happy coward.

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LOL @ Seraph's slave mentality, bowing to his masters!

He is a disgrace to Leos.



The reson why the police are this way is because they are being militarized and treat "policing" as a military operation. To a "lesser" extent but just as dangerous is the stand your ground laws that give cowards the right to shoot anybody on sight and worse it's done without any formal training.
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@Damnata: what's hypocritical about that statement he made, and this wasn't talked about, was that he was openly part of an association that raised $ 400,000 for Darren Wilson's defense. Also, never in the history of the indictment process, has a D.A. went on a rant in order to exonerate the person they "attempted" to seek an indictment against. There were several other things in the process that broke protocol. For one, no person in the history of the process has been allowed to testify before the grand jury on their own behalf...to prevent their own arrest. The reality of the process itself is to actually seek and get a true bill(indictment). Also, no D.A gives the grand jury the evidence for them to examine on their own time and with him. He/she examines that on their own and simply brings the case before the grand jury and persuades them to hand down an indictment...that is the sole reason why. You don't use the process to exonerate the person accused. It's not a trial where a verdict is handed down. Also, he allowed character witnesses...another breach of protocol. What's being reported now is that the D.A. may face breach of ethical conduct charges abd could be disbarred.
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The Hispanics are laughing their asses off at us right now....



Yes, their community has their hands full with immigration. I've watched what they are going through. The state laws in acted:

Perhaps the most notorious state attempt at regulating immigration is Arizona's S.B. 1070, signed into law in 2010. The U.S. Dept. of Justice (DOJ) stated in a brief that Arizona lawmakers "crossed a constitutional line" with the new law. A federal judge blocked four of the most controversial elements, including the requirement that police check the immigration status of anyone they stop or suspect is in the state illegally. - See more at: http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration-laws-and-resources/federal-vs-state-immigration-laws.html#sthash.leFnuNVX.dpuf
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@Damnata: what's hypocritical about that statement he made, and this wasn't talked about, was that he was openly part of an association that raised $ 400,000 for Darren Wilson's defense. Also, never in the history of the indictment process, has a D.A. went on a rant in order to exonerate the person they "attempted" to seek an indictment against. There were several other things in the process that broke protocol. For one, no person in the history of the process has been allowed to testify before the grand jury on their own behalf...to prevent their own arrest. The reality of the process itself is to actually seek and get a true bill(indictment). Also, no D.A gives the grand jury the evidence for them to examine on their own time and with him. He/she examines that on their own and simply brings the case before the grand jury and persuades them to hand down an indictment...that is the sole reason why. You don't use the process to exonerate the person accused. It's not a trial where a verdict is handed down. Also, he allowed character witnesses...another breach of protocol. What's being reported now is that the D.A. may face breach of ethical conduct charges abd could be disbarred.



Thank you, for every contribution you have made to this thread.
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The Hispanics are laughing their asses off at us right now....



Yes, their community has their hands full with immigration. I've watched what they are going through. The state laws in acted:

Perhaps the most notorious state attempt at regulating immigration is Arizona's S.B. 1070, signed into law in 2010. The U.S. Dept. of Justice (DOJ) stated in a brief that Arizona lawmakers "crossed a constitutional line" with the new law. A federal judge blocked four of the most controversial elements, including the requirement that police check the immigration status of anyone they stop or suspect is in the state illegally. - See more at: http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration-laws-and-resources/federal-vs-state-immigration-laws.html#sthash.leFnuNVX.dpuf<div class="bqfade">click to expand




And, I wonder if killing is involved when they break the "law?" I highly suspect that it is... in border patrol.
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@Damnata: what's hypocritical about that statement he made, and this wasn't talked about, was that he was openly part of an association that raised $ 400,000 for Darren Wilson's defense. Also, never in the history of the indictment process, has a D.A. went on a rant in order to exonerate the person they "attempted" to seek an indictment against. There were several other things in the process that broke protocol. For one, no person in the history of the process has been allowed to testify before the grand jury on their own behalf...to prevent their own arrest. The reality of the process itself is to actually seek and get a true bill(indictment). Also, no D.A gives the grand jury the evidence for them to examine on their own time and with him. He/she examines that on their own and simply brings the case before the grand jury and persuades them to hand down an indictment...that is the sole reason why. You don't use the process to exonerate the person accused. It's not a trial where a verdict is handed down. Also, he allowed character witnesses...another breach of protocol. What's being reported now is that the D.A. may face breach of ethical conduct charges abd could be disbarred.



Seriously I am glad you said it, my patience to do so was wearing thin. thanks for real.
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
you know, I was talking to a coworker of mine this morning about this. we were sharing how disgusting some of the comments on our facebook feed have been about this entire situation (I'm white, he's black....we both have interracial children) and that it was time to clean up the friend's list.....

anyways....

we started thinking out loud.....

I brought up PHV's comment about why larger retail chains like Walmart or McDonald's being looted....and how we've gone through the looting before and it just seems counterproductive to do this in your own neighborhood and especially with locally owned busines.

Based on the time of the announcement (which I'm pretty sure they knew hours before and could have held out until 8am the next morning) and the immediate aftermath....

We almost wonder if all this was staged. People being paid to loot....or to at least get it started and participate.

This type of event helps the republican party tremendously (as it demonises the black community) and comes on the heels of the immigration reform that Obama pushed forward just a few days ago.


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