@VenusAquarius
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hahaha, you made me smile 😛
Everything counts.
I just sit back in these topics and read the law, read the articles brought forth. More power for you to keep the civilized talk going without insults and to the point. It just wears me out.
Nurses accept that they may be infected/ die while treating people; firemen accept that they may die rescuing people; soldiers accept that they may die in the line of fire.... God bless them all.
However, police can't accept that they may die in the duty of protecting and serving? Why? For some, many, it may not be about duty at all. Power? License to kill?
If someone gave Seraph a study with statistics on why 2 plus 2 equals 5 he would believe it.
Then America wonders why their very own choose to join terrorist groups like ISIS,smh..
people see how phony,cowardly, and inherently racist this country is..
Goin against the grain usually doesn't end well, admittedly, but it sure as fuck sends a potent message
Posted by VenusAquarius
Seraph, the mentally disabled guy probably had more cause to get shot. He had a spoon, it was metal, the sun was reflecting off it.Michael Brown had... What?
6 foot 4 and outweighing the officer by about 100 pounds, and in this case, advancing against a police officer.
If you do THAT - whether you are white or black or an alien from the next galaxy over, armed or unarmed - it's within the power of a police officer to use deadly force to stop you if he/she feels threatened enough.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4306215806680760770&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
Legal deference to police determinations of what is —reasonable?? (force), (which) —must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments - in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving - about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.??click to expand
You're telling me what I already know. I tell my son, my brother, that because of their size, their skin color, they are automatically seen as a threat and people will shoot first...
his injuries..
Look at that guy.. Fuckin pussy.
"Injured" foh
"I wanted to change things for everyone else, so no one else would ever have to go through what I did. We did our research: In 129 years since police and fire commissions were created in the state of Wisconsin, we could not find a single ruling by a police department, an inquest or a police commission that a shooting was unjustified. There was one shooting we found, in 2005, that was ruled justified by the department and an inquest, but additional evidence provided by citizens caused the DA to charge the officer. The city of Milwaukee settled with a confidentiality agreement and the facts of that sealed. The officer involved committed suicide."
From the beginning I allowed the investigation to proceed and didn't know it was a sham until many of the facts were discovered. But before long I realized a cover-up was under way. I hadn't understood at first how closely related the DA and the police were—during his election campaign for judge, the DA had been endorsed in writing by every police agency in the county. Now he was investigating them. It was a clear conflict of interest.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html#
All praises to the law, the elected, the "justice" system.
Seraph, I understand you. You're just a little too acute, myopic in your views.
you can watch CNN online its 2014
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHAT
you can watch CNN online its 2014
lmao
Posted by VenusAquarius
Seraph, I understand you. You're just a little too acute, myopic in your views.
IE canadian white man POV. Which is clueless totally about happenings in this country in RE to the black community.
Yes, that movie theatre, batman, killer got apprehended,!?!? Top right. Thought about that and many like him... Apprehended. He had heavy artillery too. But,just apprehended.
Posted by VenusAquarius
Seraph, I understand you. You're just a little too acute, myopic in your views.IE canadian white man POV. Which is clueless totally about happenings in this country in RE to the black community.
The jury ruled a certain way, and it's easy to see why they did.
And in terms of the verdict and what we know, for every racial explanation you can think of, there's an equally reasonable explanation provided for by law.
It's actually pretty easy to put both Brown and Wilson in a scenario that would support the verdict.
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Naw, they just gave him a break. Saw your hidden post... Nah-nah-nah boo-boo...
Lol, loosen up... Open your mind... Zoom out.
Posted by DarkFire
Seraph has a good point. It doesn't matter if he was white, black, hispanic, or any race.If its the people of the country united together vs. the unjust law system that's one thing.
If its blacks vs. whites then they have you completely fooled.
The KKK and the whites caping for Darren Wilson .... White people the ones fooled but as long as white supremacy is protected and they get to sleep well at night they dont care.
All I see is the law and probability "caping" for Darren Wilson.
It doesn't matter who is on which side. Though you're free to sensationalize it and relate it (wrongly) to every other police shooting of a non-white individual.
So you can have your e-riot.
Don't burn down your internet connection.
Rationalizing away situations like this is pussy behavior.
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Agreed
What do you think about black cops?
At campus I see many, I wonder if this was on purpose..?
I notice a mixed reaction.
At first a sense of betrayal than comfort.
My experience is they're less likely to demonize black youth as their sons or younger brothers are not very different...
It must be awkward for their white partners lol
Posted by Damnata
This topic would have ended so quick if this dude was white...
SMH
So when you enter my city from the interstate there is a HUUUGGGEEE ass billboard which depicts some a white woman.
it says..
5'5
blnd hair
blue eyes.
If you have seen her pls contact the president.
or something like that.
Do you know how many little black or latino children are missing and some 30 year old blonde heffa is plastered all over the place.
Do you remember all those white girls missing in the islands and the media went wild.
Also some white girl was missing last year (assumed dead) & at our campus and they built a fucking memorial you can light candles and up them in front of her fucking altar like she's the patron goddess of missing white girls. My one Mexican friend is missing since last semester and no one gives a shit.
LMAO!
This dude was live streaming videos of a car on fire... and some dude came up and just jacked his phone and ran away with it streaming live feed the whole time..
"whatchu got?" "iphone6"
Posted by Prince_Pisces
Omg CC theres people blocking I-5 downtown LOL! Nothing even happened here?Really? All i know is class got canceled at Seattle Central. So no test for me tonight.
we're a protest city tho, remember wTO.
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You lived in Seattle during that? I worked at the downtown Jay Jacobs on 5th ave that was vandalized lol
LOl riots in the states are so wimpy compared to other countries.
a Stollen iphone an Lexus on fire.
THE HORROR
@Seraph:
Your views are slanted, I'm afraid. As you are aware(I hope), there is the law and then there is the reality of jurisprudence. The theory and the actual practice. While the evidence shows that Mr. Wilson had probable cause to shoot Mr. Brown, that is the evidence as presented. So I'll raise you a mountain of evidence that points in the other direction.
There's a popular saying in the legal community here in the states. "A determined D.A. can indict a ham sandwich if he/she chooses." This points to the fact that District Attorney's have complete control and discretion of indictments AND the grand jury. That is the reality. If he/she suggests that they want someone to face prosecution, the Grand Jury is going to accommodate. They can present the evidence they see fit to secure it...or not. No judge is present for oversight.
You mention facts. Ok, here's one. There's no official police report from Mr. Wilson. Missouri law, along with most states, require an official report. While some may say he has the right to not incriminate himself...he's wasn't under arrest or investigation for misconduct and that report is required. So something's missing from the picture. Next, the police chief said that Mr. Brown was shot 35 feet away and died 153 feet away(the length of half a football field) from the start point of the altercation. So, where was the imminent danger? I agree that it was present at the beginning but at some point Mr. Brown turned and ran in the other direction. While the evidence, as presented(remember) suggests that Mr Brown was the aggressor, it also makes perfect sense that once he disengaged and turned away, Mr Wilson then is the aggressor and most likely out of anger not fear. But we won't get to here that presented in court. Mr.Wison had his rights protected as someone under investigation(not accused as in officially charged) but not Mr.Brown. He has no rights...he's dead.
What tragic is the attempt to disassociate the actual impact of an event from the law itself. We here "while it's tragic that it hapoened" as if one thing has nothing to do with the other. That's goes to the reality of practice. Yes, the law allows for deadly force but gives the officer the power of judge, jury, and executioner. At that point, your placing his rights over someone else's. That's not equal and why people are pissed and to dismiss that is...well...disappointing. Mike Brown had a choice and so did Mr Wilson. He lost his life over some ciga
Posted by beautifulsoul74
@Seraph:Your views are slanted, I'm afraid. As you are aware(I hope), there is the law and then there is the reality of jurisprudence. The theory and the actual practice. While the evidence shows that Mr. Wilson had probable cause to shoot Mr. Brown, that is the evidence as presented. So I'll raise you a mountain of evidence that points in the other direction.
There's a popular saying in the legal community here in the states. "A determined D.A. can indict a ham sandwich if he/she chooses." This points to the fact that District Attorney's have complete control and discretion of indictments AND the grand jury. That is the reality. If he/she suggests that they want someone to face prosecution, the Grand Jury is going to accommodate. They can present the evidence they see fit to secure it...or not. No judge is present for oversight.
You mention facts. Ok, here's one. There's no official police report from Mr. Wilson. Missouri law, along with most states, require an official report. While some may say he has the right to not incriminate himself...he's wasn't under arrest or investigation for misconduct and that report is required. So something's missing from the picture. Next, the police chief said that Mr. Brown was shot 35 feet away and died 153 feet away(the length of half a football field) from the start point of the altercation. So, where was the imminent danger? I agree that it was present at the beginning but at some point Mr. Brown turned and ran in the other direction. While the evidence, as presented(remember) suggests that Mr Brown was the aggressor, it also makes perfect sense that once he disengaged and turned away, Mr Wilson then is the aggressor and most likely out of anger not fear. But we won't get to here that presented in court. Mr.Wison had his rights protected as someone under investigation(not accused as in officially charged) but not Mr.Brown. He has no rights...he's dead.
What tragic is the attempt to disassociate the actual impact of an event from the law itself. We here "while it's tragic that it hapoened" as if one thing has nothing to do with the other. That's goes to the reality of practice. Yes, the law allows for deadly force but gives the officer the power of judge, jury, and executioner. At that point, your placing his rights over someone else's. That's not equal and why people are pissed and to dismiss that
Posted by Sn1p3r187
The son of a whore got off. ERGG!GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! AGHHHHH!!Why are you angry?
Under Missouri law, a police officer is allowed to discharge his firearm (also meaning, use of deadly force, among other reasons) under certain conditions - among which is threat of bodily harm to the police officer.
Looks like that's exactly what happened. Some of the known evidence (mentioned in the other thread) supports this scenario easily.
Additionally, not quite related but worth mentioning re: the attacker's state of mind at the time, he had just finished robbing a convenience store and physically assaulting the shopkeep. This is a fact.
It isn't at all beyond the realm of likelihood that Wilson was perfectly justified in using deadly force.
All the rioting (assuming there *will* be rioting) would be a complete waste, not to mention completely unjustified.
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+1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^bottom line.
^^Shut up. Just get out of here.
The quoting got screwed up.
Anyway, I'm just gonna leave this here....I think it may explain a lot.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-police-departments-refuse-hire-smart/
History has shown you dont have to do anything to police and can still be killed. They're scared of black men and act how scared people act.
I wanna drop Seraph off in the middle of Newark at 1am with no phone or money
get him a quick education
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHAT
I wanna drop Seraph off in the middle of Newark at 1am with no phone or moneyget him a quick education
What does that mean?
Is this an assumed testimony that black people are really as violent and criminal as people believe?
In that if he (a white guy) is dropped off in the middle of Newark, that black people would prove to the world that they cannot be trusted to be civil and humane?
That's why white boys become cops. They can flex their little pink penises against unarmed black kids. They can't compete in the white collar fields or skilled blue collar fields because they're too stupid. But theyre still white so they're well off enough to live outside of a poor black area. They may live in a poor white area.
Yup, Scared that a mythical black boogie man or Muslims is gonna kill them. clowns
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHAT
That's why white boys become cops. They can flex their little pink penises against unarmed black kids. They can't compete in the white collar fields or skilled blue collar fields because they're too stupid. But theyre still white so they're well off enough to live outside of a poor black area. They may live in a poor white area.In the same tact, I can't abide by a scathing indictment of "white boys" not being able to "compete" or their level of intelligence. I know you don't need it or require my aid but regardless you are on you're own for that one.
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The ones that are cops are ones that cant compete with other white boys in the areas I mentioned. They're the crabs hanging onto the rim of the barrel. So they're racists moreso because poor black folks are people they can look down on.
Except for a few posts (thanks Seraph), this thread is full of a lot of bile.
I've watched the news prior to the grand jury decision and listened to the rabble trousers with the subtext of "facts be damned, indict or we''ll riot".
The intention was to riot and loot anyway, IMHO.
We'll never get the straight answer, but it would be interesting to see how many of the rioters/looters are actually FROM Ferguson.
And the media a**hats are just as bad, helping fan the flames. There is a special place in Hell for those mother****ers.
Hey, but at least some of the people got some early Christmas shopping done via the five finger discount.
Way to "stick it to the man", dumba**es. There is a good likelihood that a number of those businesses were minority owned. What sane person would reopen in that area? (Think Watts, or Detroit).
Alleged shoplifting isn't a Felony Seraph
What's funny is watching the coons with white spouses bringing up "black on black crime" right now.
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHAT
Alleged shoplifting isn't a Felony SeraphAggravated Robbery.
Robbery + assaulting the shopkeep.
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Was never confirmed that that was Michael Brown 1.
2. he didnt have a weapon
Posted by CluelessCancer
You got white people running around with guns, hanging out at walmart with guns, but black people can't even play with toy guns, before they're gunned down.seraph i need you go choke on a fat dick, and stfu.
seriously you will never get it you mosad prick.
Did Michael Brown "get" that it's probably a bad idea to commit aggravated robbery and, shortly thereafter, to assault a police officer?
Seems the only person involved who didn't "get" stuff was the guy who got himself shot because of his poor decisions.
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Explain how MB assaulted DW from further than 5 feet
Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
Except for a few posts (thanks Seraph), this thread is full of a lot of bile.
I've watched the news prior to the grand jury decision and listened to the rabble trousers with the subtext of "facts be damned, indict or we''ll riot".
The intention was to riot and loot anyway, IMHO.
We'll never get the straight answer, but it would be interesting to see how many of the rioters/looters are actually FROM Ferguson.And the media a**hats are just as bad, helping fan the flames. There is a special place in Hell for those mother****ers.
Hey, but at least some of the people got some early Christmas shopping done via the five finger discount.
Way to "stick it to the man", dumba**es. There is a good likelihood that a number of those businesses were minority owned. What sane person would reopen in that area? (Think Watts, or Detroit).
Five finger discount 😆
"got momma some weave!"
http://backstoppers.org/board.html
Probably doesn't matter to Seraph that Robert McCollough was actively supporting Darren Wilson and his fund raising efforts.
OR how about photos not being taken of MB's body.
Posted by capricornmoon
dark fire, I disagree. Most white women, men and young adults are very racist, racist views, racist form of superiority. Sure, white people are fake nice, fake smile in your face, but the thoughts behind the individual are insidious. You can tell by the way they look and stare at you. This is the experience of millions of black and brown people. Go to yahoo website and read the comments. White people don't like to own their racism. Racism goes beyond calling black people ni**ers. The foundation for all this chaos is fear and hatred.
Exactly. want me to pull up the pictures of thousands of tweets of racist white people? These are your bosses, co workers, etc spewing all of this bs
lol you grab the first article you can find but don't explore the names involved. We see right through you
murika
Posted by capricornmoon
Yep, Then they see you the next day at work, or school and be like "hiiiiiiiii —?"SMH.
yup.. and we know intuitively but most of the time we're just trying to live and swallow it. We have no allies especially when it comes to the work place. I've had a black boss one time, he looked all of the black employees out , gave us heads up on certain things, asked us what department we wanted to work and put us there. Good dude. That's the kind of hookups white people always get
I also just want to put it out there, that I'm not afraid of black people. In my experiences, when it comes to criminals its more logical to be afraid of Mexicans, they are way more organized and just ruthless.
I would like to point out that white people have equally disturbing music. They're more prone to worship the devil and kill their ex girlfriend that fucked all their friends. You know same shit different day.
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Hey, Sutekh calling Mr. D a coon doesn't count?