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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
I brought up PHV's comment about why larger retail chains like Walmart or McDonald's being looted....and how we've gone through the looting before and it just seems counterproductive to do this in your own neighborhood and especially with locally owned busines.
Of course ..... because looting/vandalizing larger stores that aren't locally owned is the proper way to vented out aggression.
"it just seems counterproductive to do this in your own neighborhood and especially with locally owned busines."
^^^^^^^^^^^^ makes the suggestion that it's NOT counterproductive to do so outside of your own neighborhood.
What an idiot
Posted by DarkFire
Most of you are older, 30-50 and as time quickly passes you by you get a sick feeling when you see the youth of all colors sticking together for a cause.
Yes, of course .... because comradery of various people, like sport teams for example .... were founded 20 years ago, when your generation was being born.
Typical stupid young person ... thinking everything happening is brand new, based on your ignorance.
Posted by DarkFire
I noticed somthing yesterday after watching riots/protests the last few days.
The folk here on dxp almost had me believing this was a racial situation. Upon watching the actual protests and riots I see people of every color.
This means the folk here on dxp are simply racists that make their race look bad. In reality the you is sticking together for a better and fair law system.
It's because most folk here on dxp sit behind their little computer screen and develop a jaded view of the world and race.
Most of you are older, 30-50 and as time quickly passes you by you get a sick feeling when you see the youth of all colors sticking together for a cause.
+1
Posted by GetMisted
@TwirlingBlueberry
I'd like to get your opinion on this (ot anyone else who wants to chime in).
My news feed has blown up just as everyone elses has. For the most part, I've stayed out of the debates (except with a old friend of mine who is retired law enforcement).
Now given that I live in a mostly right wing, conservative state.. It's difficult for a free-thinking, realist to voice their opinion without being criticized.
With that being said, you can just imagin some of the things being posted on FB by the people I've known and worked with for years. Rewind a couple days.. The same day the verdict to not indite came out..
A man who I've talked with several times (worked with his wife for a few years), and who both are friends (basically family) with several of those same people posting about Michael Brown.. Was arrested on charges of domestic battery and assault on his wife and child after pushing them down the stairs.
Those same people who posted about Brown getting what he deserved, are protecting the image of this man and criticizing those who are attacking him on news media comment boards.
"You don't know him! He made a mistake!" Let him have his day in court!"
Etc..
What are your thoughts on this, and how do I approach this hypocrisy?
And for everyone else.. Can you see yourself doing the same?
Side note: My goal is to point out that Ferguson is not an isolated incident. Yes, race plays an important role here, as black oppression is still live and well. But how do we get people to realize that race is not the issue to be fighting here? What we should be fighting is the current police state we live in and the oppression it imposes not only on black Americans, but the low/middle classes as a whole. Police authority is out of control.
I agree. Blacks are just practice. That's why I posted the article about the white father who supported the Mike Brown situation. He fought by changing the law.
Injustice is running rampant. Next we will be back to no respect for or acknowledgement of childhood.
@P-Angel:
No, I'm not a god. But I am a 3rd year law school student who is abrest of criminal and civil procedures.
No, I'm not a god. But I am a 3rd year law school student who is abrest of criminal and civil procedures.
Posted by Ixion120Posted by seraphPosted by Ixion120Posted by seraphPosted by Ixion120
My my my, it would seem that even the U.S. BAR Association has its grievances with the sham grand jury trial.
http://theurbandaily.com/2014/11/25/bar-association-grand-jury-decision/
It's the "National Bar Association."
They aren't a regulatory body. They don't license anyone. It's an association of African-American attorneys and judges, that also does affirmative action outreach.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bar_Association<BR>
And yet an organization that has the full force of some 60,000 trained attorneys and judges who know the law intimately (I would even wager better than you or I) smells something is amiss?
And seraph who cares that it does affirmative action outreach? Remember affirmative action is also part of the law...why wouldn't they?
I don't have any problem with it. I was under the impression that you meant an actual State (mandatory) bar.
Nope. Now as for the criticism of the proceedings, well at this point there have been multiple legal students in my network who have had extensive conversations with their Law/procedure professors from some of the most prestigious legal schools in the nation who in solidarity with their students have expressed grave concerns about the proceedings and the way in which they have been handled. From Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, NYU..the list goes on. If the very legal community which underpins the justice system, the very same community which has ostensibly devoted their lives and livelihoods on the understanding of, and supports proper adjudication of cases calls foul, then why is it that is so hard to believe that something is not quite right here?click to expand
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Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by DarkFire
I noticed somthing yesterday after watching riots/protests the last few days.
The folk here on dxp almost had me believing this was a racial situation. Upon watching the actual protests and riots I see people of every color.
This means the folk here on dxp are simply racists that make their race look bad. In reality the you is sticking together for a better and fair law system.
It's because most folk here on dxp sit behind their little computer screen and develop a jaded view of the world and race.
Most of you are older, 30-50 and as time quickly passes you by you get a sick feeling when you see the youth of all colors sticking together for a cause.
+1
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Ps.. Cowboys suckclick to expand
not if they beat the eagles, dammit
Posted by GetMistedPosted by TwirlingStrawberry
wait, what?
I thought all Leo moons were Gods 😛
Seems like a reasonable assumption if you ask me *shrugsprinkle*click to expand
Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by DarkFire
I noticed somthing yesterday after watching riots/protests the last few days.
The folk here on dxp almost had me believing this was a racial situation. Upon watching the actual protests and riots I see people of every color.
This means the folk here on dxp are simply racists that make their race look bad. In reality the you is sticking together for a better and fair law system.
It's because most folk here on dxp sit behind their little computer screen and develop a jaded view of the world and race.
Most of you are older, 30-50 and as time quickly passes you by you get a sick feeling when you see the youth of all colors sticking together for a cause.
+1
+2
Ps.. Cowboys suck
not if they beat the eagles, dammit
True. Told my buddy (cowboys fan) that I though if they even went 1-1 against Philly, that they would win the division. Prob want to win 2-0 for good measure though.click to expand
Thats certainly ideal since they went at lost to the damn redskins
Posted by GetMisted
@TwirlingMango
You know I want to attack this in typical Fire moon fashion.. But air mars says "There's a bigger issue here".
So how about this question?
"Should assault on an officer carry the same penalty as domestic assault and battery? Death penalty without your day in court.."
What do you think?
nope
Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMisted
@TwirlingMango
You know I want to attack this in typical Fire moon fashion.. But air mars says "There's a bigger issue here".
So how about this question?
"Should assault on an officer carry the same penalty as domestic assault and battery? Death penalty without your day in court.."
What do you think?
nope
And your reason? (And don't say because Venus in Aqua has no passion)click to expand
Because Aqua merc has no passion, only robotic facts 😛
and because if the person being assaulted was able to get a weapon and use it in defense, there would still be a trial.
Posted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMisted
@TwirlingMango
You know I want to attack this in typical Fire moon fashion.. But air mars says "There's a bigger issue here".
So how about this question?
"Should assault on an officer carry the same penalty as domestic assault and battery? Death penalty without your day in court.."
What do you think?
nope
And your reason? (And don't say because Venus in Aqua has no passion)
Because Aqua merc has no passion, only robotic facts 😛
and because if the person being assaulted was able to get a weapon and use it in defense, there would still be a trial.click to expand
Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville, Fla., was accused of firing what she said was a warning shot at her husband and two of his children during a domestic dispute in 2010. She was charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, convicted and sentenced under Florida's mandatory minimum guidelines.
Posted by VenusAquariusPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMistedPosted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by GetMisted
@TwirlingMango
You know I want to attack this in typical Fire moon fashion.. But air mars says "There's a bigger issue here".
So how about this question?
"Should assault on an officer carry the same penalty as domestic assault and battery? Death penalty without your day in court.."
What do you think?
nope
And your reason? (And don't say because Venus in Aqua has no passion)
Because Aqua merc has no passion, only robotic facts 😛
and because if the person being assaulted was able to get a weapon and use it in defense, there would still be a trial.
Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville, Fla., was accused of firing what she said was a warning shot at her husband and two of his children during a domestic dispute in 2010. She was charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, convicted and sentenced under Florida's mandatory minimum guidelines.click to expand
Figures
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Posted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Florida is quickly becoming the state with the most fucked up system of fucked up systems
Posted by AfternoonDelights22Posted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Florida is quickly becoming the state with the most fucked up system of fucked up systemsclick to expand
I had to gtfo. Sunshine state... smh... Fuck beaches.
I thought about Texas because I love the south and the Cowboys but I couldn't shake the "Texas Dragging."
Being dragged to death because I am black and some people found my death a solution to a boring Friday afternoon.
Being dragged to death.... please have mercy and just kill me.
Being dragged to death because I am black and some people found my death a solution to a boring Friday afternoon.
Being dragged to death.... please have mercy and just kill me.
Posted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
I read about that case.
She left and came back to the house with a gun, and shot at the BF while he was on the couch, with a child.
She deserves time but nothing major.
I read DW's testimony this morning. If you buy it you're a fucking idiot.
The Super Negro narrative is hilarious.
The Super Negro narrative is hilarious.
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHATPosted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
I read about that case.
She left and came back to the house with a gun, and shot at the BF while he was on the couch, with a child.
She deserves time but nothing major.click to expand
I think she went into the garage (left the house) and shot into the ceiling.
I am the mother of a "super negro." Taurus with a grand fire trine.
Posted by VenusAquariusPosted by TURNDOWNFORWHATPosted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
I read about that case.
She left and came back to the house with a gun, and shot at the BF while he was on the couch, with a child.
She deserves time but nothing major.
I think she went into the garage (left the house) and shot into the ceiling.click to expand
She become violent. Her Moon is also conjunct Mars in Scorpio. I see her blowing up and doing something crazy like that.
Yes, I have the same aspect.
*lowers head*
*lowers head*
Only on dxp can the legal system of Missouri be turned into racism.
People who are protesting (the few thousand across America) are protesting against cops and the legal system that protects cops and citizens.
Makes no sense..but hey, if it's not violent, if it's not rioting, it's all good.
New Yorkers blocked the tunnels and bridges last night and backed traffic up.
(last time I checked the laws in NY still stand) ~shrugs~
People who are protesting (the few thousand across America) are protesting against cops and the legal system that protects cops and citizens.
Makes no sense..but hey, if it's not violent, if it's not rioting, it's all good.
New Yorkers blocked the tunnels and bridges last night and backed traffic up.
(last time I checked the laws in NY still stand) ~shrugs~
Posted by VenusAquarius
I am the mother of a "super negro." Taurus with a grand fire trine.
Your son is not going to attack armed police. This idea is so implausible is my point
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHATPosted by VenusAquarius
I am the mother of a "super negro." Taurus with a grand fire trine.
Your son is not going to attack armed police. This idea is so implausible is my pointclick to expand
Yes, I'm just talking about size and energy he may emanate. He's a Sag moon after all.
I was gonna post this earlier but then thought twice??_ and now eh idk.
Race plays an important role?
I do believe that race relations and perceptions could play a role in this, but maybe not the same way other people think, idk. Part of me believes that racial profiling and police harassment, helps shape the attitudes and mistrust of those being targeted.
Did Michael Browns perception of the police and his belief of how he has been treated, and how he would be treated play a role in how he reacted and the decisions he made that day. Yeah I can believe that. But we do have evidences that he was already hostile and aggressive that day. So I don't really think you can put all the blame on that idea. But I have no doubt that this has a greater influence in other situations.
And also with our legal system, it's a statistical fact that black people get harsher punishments and spend more time incarcerated for the same crimes. So you are adding in extra motives to take more risks, when confronted with the police if you guilty of something.
And on the flip side of that if you??re a cop, and a higher percentage of black people you encounter are uncooperative because of these issues, then it just helps to create and reinforce that idea, so even black cops are susceptible to it. I see it's just a sad fucking cycle that continues to reinforce itself.
Race plays an important role?
I do believe that race relations and perceptions could play a role in this, but maybe not the same way other people think, idk. Part of me believes that racial profiling and police harassment, helps shape the attitudes and mistrust of those being targeted.
Did Michael Browns perception of the police and his belief of how he has been treated, and how he would be treated play a role in how he reacted and the decisions he made that day. Yeah I can believe that. But we do have evidences that he was already hostile and aggressive that day. So I don't really think you can put all the blame on that idea. But I have no doubt that this has a greater influence in other situations.
And also with our legal system, it's a statistical fact that black people get harsher punishments and spend more time incarcerated for the same crimes. So you are adding in extra motives to take more risks, when confronted with the police if you guilty of something.
And on the flip side of that if you??re a cop, and a higher percentage of black people you encounter are uncooperative because of these issues, then it just helps to create and reinforce that idea, so even black cops are susceptible to it. I see it's just a sad fucking cycle that continues to reinforce itself.
Posted by LetltB
Only on dxp can the legal system of Missouri be turned into racism.
People who are protesting (the few thousand across America) are protesting against cops and the legal system that protects cops and citizens.
Makes no sense..but hey, if it's not violent, if it's not rioting, it's all good.
New Yorkers blocked the tunnels and bridges last night and backed traffic up.
(last time I checked the laws in NY still stand) ~shrugs~
you're clueless Im afraid.
The foundation of the legal system is racist.
Posted by Astrobyn
I was gonna post this earlier but then thought twice??_ and now eh idk.
Race plays an important role?
I do believe that race relations and perceptions could play a role in this, but maybe not the same way other people think, idk. Part of me believes that racial profiling and police harassment, helps shape the attitudes and mistrust of those being targeted.
Did Michael Browns perception of the police and his belief of how he has been treated, and how he would be treated play a role in how he reacted and the decisions he made that day. Yeah I can believe that. But we do have evidences that he was already hostile and aggressive that day. So I don't really think you can put all the blame on that idea. But I have no doubt that this has a greater influence in other situations.
And also with our legal system, it's a statistical fact that black people get harsher punishments and spend more time incarcerated for the same crimes. So you are adding in extra motives to take more risks, when confronted with the police if you guilty of something.
And on the flip side of that if you??re a cop, and a higher percentage of black people you encounter are uncooperative because of these issues, then it just helps to create and reinforce that idea, so even black cops are susceptible to it. I see it's just a sad fucking cycle that continues to reinforce itself.
Yes
Posted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple.
Here's a good link that details the events, along with
both Alexander and Gray's (false) testimony overview.
** LINK.
Though I agree that the situation was an unfortunate one.
It's the second article on the page, beginning with:
"A closer examination of the facts in Marissa Alexander??s case,
however, reveals why a judge rejected Alexander??s pre-trial
—Stand Your Ground?? defense... "
Posted by Ixion120
Only on dxp?? I guess protests all over the world is now just dxp—? And no we are not protesting against cops...or the idea of a justice system that works....we are protesting against racist cops, we are protesting against a legal system that unjustly protects cops who abuse power, we are protesting unequal policing practices, we are protesting cop brutality, we are protesting walking to a store and getting snatched up in the middle of the night by a patrol because they thought you looked "suspicious". Getting yoinked off a bus for fare jumping though you paid and had a receipt to prove it. We are protesting cop policing that can leave space for a white male onlooker to assault a female protester and threaten to shoot the lot of us in full view of the police ...and then be told "to just keep on walking". We are protesting injustice, we are protesting not being heard.
This isn't about racism, it's about the legal system. You break the law, assault a cop, you are going to be shot if you choose to assault the cop trying to arresting you.
Do you "HEAR" that?
Posted by MontgomeryPosted by VenusAquarius
She was originally sentenced to 20 years and I'd now accepting a plea deal.
Apparently, "stand your ground" did not help her.
Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple.
Here's a good link that details the events, along with
both Alexander and Gray's (false) testimony overview.
** LINK.
Though I agree that the situation was an unfortunate one.
It's the second article on the page, beginning with:
"A closer examination of the facts in Marissa Alexander??s case,
however, reveals why a judge rejected Alexander??s pre-trial
—Stand Your Ground?? defense... "click to expand
I followed the case... I compared to the Trayvon case/use and the "bigger picture." Plus, the 20 years sentence.
*arrest
The tax payers of Missouri pay the cop's salary to do his job directed under the state laws.
He did his job.
A grand jury heard his testimony and that of the witnesses along with evidence and confirmed it.
Protesting racism has NOTHING to do with this case.
He did his job.
A grand jury heard his testimony and that of the witnesses along with evidence and confirmed it.
Protesting racism has NOTHING to do with this case.
Shout out to BeautifulSoul ,VenusAquarius... and the others who get it.
Seraph, choke on a maple leaf.
Seraph, choke on a maple leaf.
Posted by LetltB
The tax payers of Missouri pay the cop's salary to do his job directed under the state laws.
He did his job.
A grand jury heard his testimony and that of the witnesses along with evidence and confirmed it.
Protesting racism has NOTHING to do with this case.
Ok I don't really have a problem with the first couple of shots Darren Wilson made. There was a struggle, I have no issue giving him the benefit of any doubt that he was being assaulted or that Michael Brown was trying to get his gun.
My questions about it come into play, after they separated. When was he in immediate danger? And when was he shooting? And we never really got a clear picture on that issue, from the prosecutor. It kind of feels like that was swept under the rug with justification that there was evidence the officer was assaulted to begin with.
I think these are important questions to have answers too, but without a trial, what do we know? What do we do?
Posted by seraphPosted by KVZZMIR11
The initial contact was over jaywalking...people.
JAYWALKING!
It can start over virtually anything.
For instance:
Cop gives you instructions: "get off the road."
To which your reaction might be either to ignore the cop (bad idea), or to get mouthy: "fuck you, I didn't do shit, I walk where I want." (even worse idea.)
Cop can instruct you again. Or the cop can call you over to the car.
Refusing to do either is going to precipitate a really louse set of circumstances.
Notwithstanding this example, every single aspect of the Brown-Wilson incident indicates a startling lack of common sense on the part of Brown, beginning from his decision to rob a convenience store and assault the shopkeep earlier in the day.click to expand
Exactly.
What it started over is irrelevant.
I've seen minor disagreements escalate into severe ass whippings.
In fact, it is the norm.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphPosted by KVZZMIR11
The work they are doing with your tax payer money is spending it on a business of enforcing too many ridiculous laws!
If officers' job entailed only going after TRUE criminals, they wouldn't find themselves getting assaulted in situations where initial contact is as PETTY as jay walking.
It isn't law enforcement's responsibility to avoid potential conflict for fear of being assaulted.
Assaulting a police officer is "true" crime, making the person doing it a "true" criminal.
It's everyone else's responsibility to not lay their hands on a cop.
And if the cop is the aggressor? We've seen this before..
Do we give up our rights (the very rights that officer swore to protect), sit back and take it, or do we fight back?
And if we do fight back, and are killed in the process, how do we truely know what happened if the officer in question is not indicted?click to expand
That's the premise behind "shoot to kill." Dead men don't talk.
Posted by seraph
Stick to the case and stick to what we know. Leave all the sensationalism at the door.click to expand
You don't run nothing... You know. Wanting to succumb to myopticism with you.
Be careful your persona's starting to crack with emotion.
Smh
😐
Seraph,
Have you read Becaria's "Of Crimes and Punishment?"
The book was the first full-scale work to tackle criminal reform and to suggest that criminal justice should conform to rational principles.
Have you read Becaria's "Of Crimes and Punishment?"
The book was the first full-scale work to tackle criminal reform and to suggest that criminal justice should conform to rational principles.
Posted by VenusAquarius
Seraph,
Have you read Becaria's "Of Crimes and Punishment?"
The book was the first full-scale work to tackle criminal reform and to suggest that criminal justice should conform to rational principles.
Loved this.
Yes, finally something in this topic I feel entitled to comment on 😄
Posted by Ixion120
Race is what gets everyone's blood boiling but honestly what people don't understand or refuse to understand (or accept) is that there can be no America that is solvent over the next century without it being one that has come to grips with its issues with race AND makes concerted efforts to eliminate those issues while maintaining the values the country was built upon.
Correction:
Race is what gets black people's blood boiling ... who needs to come to grips with its issue with race AND make concerted efforts to eliminate those issues while maintaining some values.
Posted by TURNDOWNFORWHAT
Shout out to BeautifulSoul ,VenusAquarius... and the others who get it.
I see no point you've actually made that has value ... so what is (this) that others are suppose to get?
The only thing I see you do here, or ever do on topics like this is bitch, bitch about what you don't like.
That's all you do. You just complain without any action. If you do have action or have participated in making the world a better place, you haven't said it.
It appears as though you expect someone other than yourself to make the differences.
passive/aggressive much?
Why is it not surprising that you watch, and even use as reference ... Fox news?
You started out with 1 of 2, you can't have 3 of 2!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T GIVE US 3 OF 2!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T GIVE US 3 OF 2!
Don't see the point. it could have just been simply stated as...
"Hey dumb ass, the cop was withing his right and duty to tell them to not walk in the street."
And if its a race thing to do so, then I must be as black as aquavita, cus I've been asked/ordered the same thing more than once by an officer.
"Hey dumb ass, the cop was withing his right and duty to tell them to not walk in the street."
And if its a race thing to do so, then I must be as black as aquavita, cus I've been asked/ordered the same thing more than once by an officer.
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