TheApparition
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Posted by tizianiPosted by nevesPosted by MetatronPosted by nevesPosted by MetatronPosted by neves
If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.
You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...
First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.
The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"
1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.
2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.
Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....
Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).
I'd assume most, including black people (as the comments bear out), would find the 2nd video in somewhat bad taste, if not repulsive....and that's what most of the comments take issue with, many apparently not following along with the inaccuracies in his commentary on the first...If they do misinterpret the first, that really can't be blamed on anyone but the presenter and themselves...Either way, I don't think a video of one troll or a public pledge to be more conscientious around racism, is going to be a major catalyst in a race war.
Bottom line though - there should be no concern around oppression being fought with oppression, as you say, based on these videos.
Again, before making assumptions - just read the comments (of the 2nd video). You can even have a debate with him on Twitter - if you disagree with his points (he actually asked for that).
You're missing the point. Let me put it in a different way... I presume you're familiar with the so called N' word?! Most common word used by dark skin males - among themselves, yet... GOD FORBID a light skin dude dares to say that word (even as a joke). Imagine a light skin guy working with 3 dark skin guys - who use that word around 30 times every minute. Tho, the white guy, obviously will try to block out the most common word used at the work place (which is bound to go into subconscious - that's the basics of human psychology, kinda like someone who keeps repeating "Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!" - yet, due to repetition that phrase gets stuck in your mind whether you want that or not). Till one night when they all have a drink together, and he accidentally goes.... "yo, ma' n...." That guy is all of a sudden a racist, and let's just hope he wasn't beaten to a pulp.
If a freaking word can trigger someone to that extent, do you actually think most people - would just ignore what they see there (if that video was all over the social media) - and act like it's all cool (just because that video has no effect on you)?! Especially the actual racists - who are usually spiteful for no reason. There's a good reason "Pride" was considered a deadly sin.The thing is... the people from that video were supporting BLM at that protest - and if that's the message they sent (what it means to be a BLM supporter), some of the viewers might get the wrong message - and twink twice about being a BLM supporter. The social norm - dictates how people should behave, but that can change... for better... or worst. The human history is a solid proof of that (most wars didn't start for righteous reasons).
Ironically (given the thread title) it sounds like you're wrestling with your own guilt, be it white or otherwise.click to expand
If it takes so little to be misunderstood - or trigger someone (which was actually the point i was trying to make above), how do you think the majority would react - if that video was all over social media (you can have a glimpse of that - while reading the YT comment section for that video)?
Whatever, i'm to old for meaningless debates (wasting my time for stupid answers - where there's nothing to gain, only loss of time and neurons). 😒
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparition
You know...
I've never really understood the point to this entire... I don't even know what to call it.
It's not really a conversation. It's not an argument. It's not a debate. I wouldn't even really call it a discussion most instances.
That isn't the part that I don't understand though. What I don't understand is why were even having a "whatever it/this is". Everybody is so hung up on the goddamn semantics of all of this bullshit, but why?
Does a "whatever it/this is" really need to take place if people are simply asking to be treated with an equal level of human decency?
This shouldn't be that hard.
I mean who cares if white privilege is even a thing? People are spending more time trying to define what white privilege is in order to prove whether or not it's a real thing whenever it doesn't even matter if it does or doesn't.
Why can't we just say Hey, there is this disparity over here in this community. How about we work on fixing that together so that we could make the nation better for everyone? or Hey, there's a problem with police violence across the board when it comes to excess force. We need to address that together so that we can make the nation better for everyone.
Working together doesn't cost anything. Treating people with respect doesn't cost anything. Communicating doesn't cost anything. New ideas don't cost anything. Identifying a problem doesn't cost anything.
You know what does cost something?
Purposefully dividing ourselves by race and class. Arguing the petty shit that doesn't matter instead of the fact of the matter. Pointing a finger at somebody and/or expecting / demanding something of people to such an extent that they are closed off from the concept. Bring up deeds of the past instead of bringing up deeds of the future. More violence in The quest for less violence.
What do they cost? Lives. Time. Energy. Money. Slow of Progress just to name a few things
So yeah I really don't understand the point of "whatever it/this is", and I don't have to know any of that to realize some things need to change.
At the end of the day if the absolute and only reason someone has is the simple fact that other people are being made to be fearful unhappy or being left with just an overall sense of feeling less-than... that should be enough all by itself.
How do you fix that? Oh, right. Be a decent fucking human being. Don't shit on other people to make your life better. Don't shit on other people just because you think you're better. Just don't be a shity person, lol.
There's no apology necessary, there's no kneeling, there's no protests, or any of this other rigmarole because none of that is a contributing factor that somebody needs to be less of a shity person.
Let's just all stop being shity and let's all start treating each other with mutual respect, care, kindness, support, and even contributing our time energy and money to the betterment of other people which in turn also benefits us as a nation.
Grrr... It's just so frustrating. I'm done ranting now. I'll go back to my little corner. Lol. I doubt anybody read all of this anyway. *shrug*
The "whatever it/this is" you keep avoiding in this screed you type, is white privilege. Do you understand what that is and why it's being discussed?
From frustrating/ranting.. to it's just a joke.
Sounds to me like this is something you haven't googled yet and are afraid to actually discuss.
It said joke or reference. Again here you are cherry picking what you choose to apply to your argument and dismissing all other pertinent information that goes against your narrative.
Alas... I'm not here to argue with you. I really wish we could have a normal conversation & I've already tried to make peace with you; however, your answer was quite literally "no".
So... I'm not going to spend my time and energy discussing something with someone that has already made their intent clear.
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from continually watching everything that I post an effort to comment on it. It's getting kind of creepy.click to expand
I read every comment and post on DXP. You're not special.
Do you understand what white privilege is and why it's being discussed?
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by Black-MambaPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Black-Mamba
@TheApparition everything is done by design, do you think people are segregated cause they want to be segregated
why do you write so much fluff but say nothing. It's kind of annoying.
Sometimes I'm not for everybody always. It's just perhaps the way things are supposed to unfold; maybe.
Did you read how Breona Taylor is not just about her death or shooting, but the police force and the city are trying to gentrify the area she lives in - its much deeper than how you think or write.
If it is deeper than individuals pointing out an issue that needs to be resolved, not only because it's unjust, but also because it is wrong on a fundamental human level then I'll happily read what it is you feel I don't understand.click to expand
Understand that it is far-reaching into many facets of life.... here's an example:
Redlining:" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
Posted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparition
You know...
I've never really understood the point to this entire... I don't even know what to call it.
It's not really a conversation. It's not an argument. It's not a debate. I wouldn't even really call it a discussion most instances.
That isn't the part that I don't understand though. What I don't understand is why were even having a "whatever it/this is". Everybody is so hung up on the goddamn semantics of all of this bullshit, but why?
Does a "whatever it/this is" really need to take place if people are simply asking to be treated with an equal level of human decency?
This shouldn't be that hard.
I mean who cares if white privilege is even a thing? People are spending more time trying to define what white privilege is in order to prove whether or not it's a real thing whenever it doesn't even matter if it does or doesn't.
Why can't we just say Hey, there is this disparity over here in this community. How about we work on fixing that together so that we could make the nation better for everyone? or Hey, there's a problem with police violence across the board when it comes to excess force. We need to address that together so that we can make the nation better for everyone.
Working together doesn't cost anything. Treating people with respect doesn't cost anything. Communicating doesn't cost anything. New ideas don't cost anything. Identifying a problem doesn't cost anything.
You know what does cost something?
Purposefully dividing ourselves by race and class. Arguing the petty shit that doesn't matter instead of the fact of the matter. Pointing a finger at somebody and/or expecting / demanding something of people to such an extent that they are closed off from the concept. Bring up deeds of the past instead of bringing up deeds of the future. More violence in The quest for less violence.
What do they cost? Lives. Time. Energy. Money. Slow of Progress just to name a few things
So yeah I really don't understand the point of "whatever it/this is", and I don't have to know any of that to realize some things need to change.
At the end of the day if the absolute and only reason someone has is the simple fact that other people are being made to be fearful unhappy or being left with just an overall sense of feeling less-than... that should be enough all by itself.
How do you fix that? Oh, right. Be a decent fucking human being. Don't shit on other people to make your life better. Don't shit on other people just because you think you're better. Just don't be a shity person, lol.
There's no apology necessary, there's no kneeling, there's no protests, or any of this other rigmarole because none of that is a contributing factor that somebody needs to be less of a shity person.
Let's just all stop being shity and let's all start treating each other with mutual respect, care, kindness, support, and even contributing our time energy and money to the betterment of other people which in turn also benefits us as a nation.
Grrr... It's just so frustrating. I'm done ranting now. I'll go back to my little corner. Lol. I doubt anybody read all of this anyway. *shrug*
The "whatever it/this is" you keep avoiding in this screed you type, is white privilege. Do you understand what that is and why it's being discussed?
From frustrating/ranting.. to it's just a joke.
Sounds to me like this is something you haven't googled yet and are afraid to actually discuss.
It said joke or reference. Again here you are cherry picking what you choose to apply to your argument and dismissing all other pertinent information that goes against your narrative.
Alas... I'm not here to argue with you. I really wish we could have a normal conversation & I've already tried to make peace with you; however, your answer was quite literally "no".
So... I'm not going to spend my time and energy discussing something with someone that has already made their intent clear.
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from continually watching everything that I post an effort to comment on it. It's getting kind of creepy.
I read every comment and post on DXP. You're not special.
Do you understand what white privilege is and why it's being discussed?click to expand
(insert the response you were hoping for here)
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparition
You know...
I've never really understood the point to this entire... I don't even know what to call it.
It's not really a conversation. It's not an argument. It's not a debate. I wouldn't even really call it a discussion most instances.
That isn't the part that I don't understand though. What I don't understand is why were even having a "whatever it/this is". Everybody is so hung up on the goddamn semantics of all of this bullshit, but why?
Does a "whatever it/this is" really need to take place if people are simply asking to be treated with an equal level of human decency?
This shouldn't be that hard.
I mean who cares if white privilege is even a thing? People are spending more time trying to define what white privilege is in order to prove whether or not it's a real thing whenever it doesn't even matter if it does or doesn't.
Why can't we just say Hey, there is this disparity over here in this community. How about we work on fixing that together so that we could make the nation better for everyone? or Hey, there's a problem with police violence across the board when it comes to excess force. We need to address that together so that we can make the nation better for everyone.
Working together doesn't cost anything. Treating people with respect doesn't cost anything. Communicating doesn't cost anything. New ideas don't cost anything. Identifying a problem doesn't cost anything.
You know what does cost something?
Purposefully dividing ourselves by race and class. Arguing the petty shit that doesn't matter instead of the fact of the matter. Pointing a finger at somebody and/or expecting / demanding something of people to such an extent that they are closed off from the concept. Bring up deeds of the past instead of bringing up deeds of the future. More violence in The quest for less violence.
What do they cost? Lives. Time. Energy. Money. Slow of Progress just to name a few things
So yeah I really don't understand the point of "whatever it/this is", and I don't have to know any of that to realize some things need to change.
At the end of the day if the absolute and only reason someone has is the simple fact that other people are being made to be fearful unhappy or being left with just an overall sense of feeling less-than... that should be enough all by itself.
How do you fix that? Oh, right. Be a decent fucking human being. Don't shit on other people to make your life better. Don't shit on other people just because you think you're better. Just don't be a shity person, lol.
There's no apology necessary, there's no kneeling, there's no protests, or any of this other rigmarole because none of that is a contributing factor that somebody needs to be less of a shity person.
Let's just all stop being shity and let's all start treating each other with mutual respect, care, kindness, support, and even contributing our time energy and money to the betterment of other people which in turn also benefits us as a nation.
Grrr... It's just so frustrating. I'm done ranting now. I'll go back to my little corner. Lol. I doubt anybody read all of this anyway. *shrug*
The "whatever it/this is" you keep avoiding in this screed you type, is white privilege. Do you understand what that is and why it's being discussed?
From frustrating/ranting.. to it's just a joke.
Sounds to me like this is something you haven't googled yet and are afraid to actually discuss.
It said joke or reference. Again here you are cherry picking what you choose to apply to your argument and dismissing all other pertinent information that goes against your narrative.
Alas... I'm not here to argue with you. I really wish we could have a normal conversation & I've already tried to make peace with you; however, your answer was quite literally "no".
So... I'm not going to spend my time and energy discussing something with someone that has already made their intent clear.
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from continually watching everything that I post an effort to comment on it. It's getting kind of creepy.
I read every comment and post on DXP. You're not special.
Do you understand what white privilege is and why it's being discussed?
(insert the response you were hoping for here)click to expand
Race is not a comfortable topic for you. Why is that?
Posted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparitionPosted by _DazedPosted by TheApparition
You know...
I've never really understood the point to this entire... I don't even know what to call it.
It's not really a conversation. It's not an argument. It's not a debate. I wouldn't even really call it a discussion most instances.
That isn't the part that I don't understand though. What I don't understand is why were even having a "whatever it/this is". Everybody is so hung up on the goddamn semantics of all of this bullshit, but why?
Does a "whatever it/this is" really need to take place if people are simply asking to be treated with an equal level of human decency?
This shouldn't be that hard.
I mean who cares if white privilege is even a thing? People are spending more time trying to define what white privilege is in order to prove whether or not it's a real thing whenever it doesn't even matter if it does or doesn't.
Why can't we just say Hey, there is this disparity over here in this community. How about we work on fixing that together so that we could make the nation better for everyone? or Hey, there's a problem with police violence across the board when it comes to excess force. We need to address that together so that we can make the nation better for everyone.
Working together doesn't cost anything. Treating people with respect doesn't cost anything. Communicating doesn't cost anything. New ideas don't cost anything. Identifying a problem doesn't cost anything.
You know what does cost something?
Purposefully dividing ourselves by race and class. Arguing the petty shit that doesn't matter instead of the fact of the matter. Pointing a finger at somebody and/or expecting / demanding something of people to such an extent that they are closed off from the concept. Bring up deeds of the past instead of bringing up deeds of the future. More violence in The quest for less violence.
What do they cost? Lives. Time. Energy. Money. Slow of Progress just to name a few things
So yeah I really don't understand the point of "whatever it/this is", and I don't have to know any of that to realize some things need to change.
At the end of the day if the absolute and only reason someone has is the simple fact that other people are being made to be fearful unhappy or being left with just an overall sense of feeling less-than... that should be enough all by itself.
How do you fix that? Oh, right. Be a decent fucking human being. Don't shit on other people to make your life better. Don't shit on other people just because you think you're better. Just don't be a shity person, lol.
There's no apology necessary, there's no kneeling, there's no protests, or any of this other rigmarole because none of that is a contributing factor that somebody needs to be less of a shity person.
Let's just all stop being shity and let's all start treating each other with mutual respect, care, kindness, support, and even contributing our time energy and money to the betterment of other people which in turn also benefits us as a nation.
Grrr... It's just so frustrating. I'm done ranting now. I'll go back to my little corner. Lol. I doubt anybody read all of this anyway. *shrug*
The "whatever it/this is" you keep avoiding in this screed you type, is white privilege. Do you understand what that is and why it's being discussed?
From frustrating/ranting.. to it's just a joke.
Sounds to me like this is something you haven't googled yet and are afraid to actually discuss.
It said joke or reference. Again here you are cherry picking what you choose to apply to your argument and dismissing all other pertinent information that goes against your narrative.
Alas... I'm not here to argue with you. I really wish we could have a normal conversation & I've already tried to make peace with you; however, your answer was quite literally "no".
So... I'm not going to spend my time and energy discussing something with someone that has already made their intent clear.
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from continually watching everything that I post an effort to comment on it. It's getting kind of creepy.
I read every comment and post on DXP. You're not special.
Do you understand what white privilege is and why it's being discussed?
(insert the response you were hoping for here)
Race is not a comfortable topic for you. Why is that?click to expand
(insert the response you were hoping for here)
Posted by tizianiPosted by nevesPosted by tizianiPosted by nevesPosted by MetatronPosted by nevesPosted by MetatronPosted by neves
If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.
You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...
First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.
The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"
1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.
2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.
Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....
Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).
I'd assume most, including black people (as the comments bear out), would find the 2nd video in somewhat bad taste, if not repulsive....and that's what most of the comments take issue with, many apparently not following along with the inaccuracies in his commentary on the first...If they do misinterpret the first, that really can't be blamed on anyone but the presenter and themselves...Either way, I don't think a video of one troll or a public pledge to be more conscientious around racism, is going to be a major catalyst in a race war.
Bottom line though - there should be no concern around oppression being fought with oppression, as you say, based on these videos.
Again, before making assumptions - just read the comments (of the 2nd video). You can even have a debate with him on Twitter - if you disagree with his points (he actually asked for that).
You're missing the point. Let me put it in a different way... I presume you're familiar with the so called N' word?! Most common word used by dark skin males - among themselves, yet... GOD FORBID a light skin dude dares to say that word (even as a joke). Imagine a light skin guy working with 3 dark skin guys - who use that word around 30 times every minute. Tho, the white guy, obviously will try to block out the most common word used at the work place (which is bound to go into subconscious - that's the basics of human psychology, kinda like someone who keeps repeating "Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!" - yet, due to repetition that phrase gets stuck in your mind whether you want that or not). Till one night when they all have a drink together, and he accidentally goes.... "yo, ma' n...." That guy is all of a sudden a racist, and let's just hope he wasn't beaten to a pulp.
If a freaking word can trigger someone to that extent, do you actually think most people - would just ignore what they see there (if that video was all over the social media) - and act like it's all cool (just because that video has no effect on you)?! Especially the actual racists - who are usually spiteful for no reason. There's a good reason "Pride" was considered a deadly sin.The thing is... the people from that video were supporting BLM at that protest - and if that's the message they sent (what it means to be a BLM supporter), some of the viewers might get the wrong message - and twink twice about being a BLM supporter. The social norm - dictates how people should behave, but that can change... for better... or worst. The human history is a solid proof of that (most wars didn't start for righteous reasons).
Ironically (given the thread title) it sounds like you're wrestling with your own guilt, be it white or otherwise.
If it takes so little to be misunderstood - or trigger someone (which was actually the point i was trying to make above), how do you think the majority would react - if that video was all over social media (you can have a glimpse of that - while reading the YT comment section for that video)?
Whatever, i'm to old for meaningless debates (wasting my time for stupid answers - where there's nothing to gain, only loss of time and neurons). 😒
The thing is I don't have the answer to what you're asking, but I'm willing to bet the number of times people have been beaten to a pulp in retaliation for racism is relatively small.
So yeah, I'm not trying to belabour any point. But it just seems like you're talking from a purely emotional perspective (not said in a condescending way) not really from having put time and thought into it.click to expand
That may be true, that example was more or less abstract (as BM put it), tho fitting for DXP... cause i actually witnessed that here - around two years ago (more or less). Not physically ofc, tho the verbal harassment/bullying went way over board (even a week latter they wouldn't stop harassing him). And all that cause of one word, a miscalculated retaliation against someone who hit him in the balls prior to that (again, verbally ofc). Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth - kinda thing. Cause i'm pretty sure the guy wasn't/isn't a racist (he's still around - still interacting with almost everyone like a typical DXP member). A real racist wouldn't last a week around this place (on any other place - where light skin people are among the minority).
You're wrong about the 2nd part as well. I simply watched those videos (from beginning to end), then i read the comments for those videos - and i shared my conclusions (both based on my understanding of this world, of humans as a species - but also based on history and past mistakes). Only when VA point it out - that for her it was more of a cultural thing - i started to have some mixed feelings - while hearing this term... and thinking of all that it implies (the damaging aspect - of cultural beliefs). If anything, BM is the one who pissed me off with one of her comments (i don't even care that she called me a racist - since she always throws that word around with such ease, the timing - is what pissed me off... since she did it all of a sudden - like a cheap trick, acting - as if she doesn't know me at all by now - after 4 years of activity on DXP 😒). But usually, i try to refrain myself from replying - while being emotional (as you put it). As mentioned above, this days my patience runs short - so i say what i feel like saying - but in all that time "the block" option is highly tempting (: i blocked more people in last 4 months - than last 4 years put together). It's better this way - for both parties (no point in forcing a mix of oil and water / some people simply can't get along). So, hey - if i'm on your bad side this days - just block me (i don't mind). Might do the same - if you really manage to piss me off. 😉
@neves
Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.
I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.
Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.
I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.
Posted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAries
I bet most of the people who sit there a bring up the White privilege never lived in their car. Just saying. So is that no one wanted to help me out because i dont need help because i am white? i so could have used this so called white privilege crap when i was on my fourth day and no food. luck me that i lived in AZ because it is against the law to to deny anyone water. I am soooo tired of people telling me what i am.
White privilege isn't freedom from poverty. White privilege is not freedom from earthly suffering.
You are also not interacting with any explanation given. But truth be told you are not here to actually discuss what it is and how it effects others. You're just here to say you don't like cause it makes you feel bad.
I am here to say that this so call White privilege does not apply to all white people. There are other white cultures to take into account here and what they had to go through to get where they are. So do be putting all white people in one pot.
How would you know? I am not asking that rhetorically. How can you say that something is not part of a whole if you don't even know what the whole is?
You are saying your privilege doesn't come from your race because you were poor or had a rough life. But that isn't what privilege is.
A poor kid can be granted privileges, that doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden Bill Gates.
A rich person can have some of the same privileges as a poor person, depends on what the privilege is.
White privilege is actually a packet of privileges, that if you had bothered to read other responses you would see that not all privileges have to be universally applied but others are innate.
Class struggle is a thing but it isn't the only thing especially in a system that believes in race.
And before you say no you don't believe in race, just know that your belief is not required for it to still mess with folks.
Going forward I will be responding to inform on the topic of privilege within this thread but I am in no way interested in changing your mind, your ignorance on the subject is yours to heal.click to expand
Well lets talk about grants for college. Start there, if you are white you are put at the bottom of the list for grants. a privilege that is granted for people of color. Grades and hard work don't matter to earn those grants. A person of color with bad grades will get the grant before a person who is white with great grades.
How is that right?
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causing someone to feel ashamed and foolish by injuring their dignity and self-respect.
"a humiliating defeat"
humiliating another human person because of the color of there shin, and you find that justified?
but of course you think i am in denial about all the shit that goes on in the country just because i white.
You seem to have missed the point of was trying to make.
Posted by _DazedPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
I don't believe there are too many Holocaust survivors left.click to expand
you are most are but their families are still alive. My mother-in-law was in one of the Nazi camps when she was a little girl. She pasted away 5 years ago from cancer.
"I'm just curious as to why she needs to post the few black people who agree with those views....like yet again you do realize that the viewpoints expressed are not even close to the average view in the community?"
ok i am posting this video from a white person since someone made this comment. This all started because of a black man getting killed by a cop. I don't think a lot of you know or understand that most cops don't want to mess with people of color because of fear of being called races. A lot of white people give into people of color because of fear of being called races. To say that people of color don't use the races card to get what they want doesn't happen is foolish, that seems to be a color privilege. Just play the races card. i already know i will be called races for say this even though i have a lot of color friends who have told me they have used the races card just to get what they want even though that was not the case.
ok i am posting this video from a white person since someone made this comment. This all started because of a black man getting killed by a cop. I don't think a lot of you know or understand that most cops don't want to mess with people of color because of fear of being called races. A lot of white people give into people of color because of fear of being called races. To say that people of color don't use the races card to get what they want doesn't happen is foolish, that seems to be a color privilege. Just play the races card. i already know i will be called races for say this even though i have a lot of color friends who have told me they have used the races card just to get what they want even though that was not the case.
Posted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by _DazedPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
I don't believe there are too many Holocaust survivors left.
you are most are but their families are still alive. My mother-in-law was in one of the Nazi camps when she was a little girl. She pasted away 5 years ago from cancer.click to expand
Are you saying that those with a past of genocide/slavery deserve reparations?
Posted by WitchmitchAries
"I'm just curious as to why she needs to post the few black people who agree with those views....like yet again you do realize that the viewpoints expressed are not even close to the average view in the community?"
ok i am posting this video from a white person since someone made this comment. This all started because of a black man getting killed by a cop. I don't think a lot of you know or understand that most cops don't want to mess with people of color because of fear of being called races. A lot of white people give into people of color because of fear of being called races. To say that people of color don't use the races card to get what they want doesn't happen is foolish, that seems to be a color privilege. Just play the races card. i already know i will be called races for say this even though i have a lot of color friends who have told me they have used the races card just to get what they want even though that was not the case.
You need to learn your history if you think "this all started because of a black man getting killed by a cop".
Posted by _Dazed
@neves
Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.
I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.
Did you check the video (the 2nd one)?! I would agree with you if that guy is spilling a lot of bullshit - might even be the one debunking it (as i did in the past - with other BS posted on DXP) - but that dude makes a lot strong points. Thus, you'd loose that bet for sure - because his ideas are anything but conservative (radical even). Not only that, he's saying stuff "that most white people can't/won't in U.S. (since it's deemed as politically incorrect - aka, that could get you fired - as it happened in the past)". Which, is quite ironic... to be called privileged (which implies - you have more rights) - while your freedom of speech is limited - for being white (if your skin has any other color - those limits don't apply). And i don't mean racist shit, but general truths tackled with common sense (or why not - inconvenient truths). Only a black person could approach those subjects - without getting intro trouble.
One could say, the roles have reversed. I mean, in the American past - some white people used to be black people's voice (and those inconvenient truths - didn't sit well with a lot white people - for obvious reasons). And now - white people need black people to be their voice - while touching certain subjects that are deemed taboo (politically incorrect). Sure, there are some white people - who don't have anything to risk (work from home or have their own business) - who approached those subjects on YouTube (or some other social network). But it's not the same, as in - those people have only white viewers (black people wouldn't bother checking his content - they'd just read the title - label him as racist and move on). On the others hand, if a black dude voices those things - then the black audience - might give him a chance to speak his mind (even if initially they'd think he's just trolling, while hearing him out - those truths can change some of their views - could even change their life for better). If anything, the title is misleading (click bait - if you will), and he's to blunt/direct at times.
That being said, his rise in views and subscribers - could actually be legit (an eye opener for some and a voice for others). One last thing... i'm actually kinda shocked that this came from someone like him, as in... both a religious person and a Trump supporter (i have to admit, i had all kinds of prejudice - when it comes to Trump supporters - as if i could never ever see eye to eye with one of them, yet... life can be surprising like that).
Posted by nevesPosted by _Dazed
@neves
Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.
I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.
Did you check the video (the 2nd one)?! I would agree with you if that guy is spilling a lot of bullshit - might even be the one debunking it (as i did in the past - with other BS posted on DXP) - but that dude makes a lot strong points. Thus, you'd loose that bet for sure - because his ideas are anything but conservative (radical even). Not only that, he's saying stuff "that most white people can't/won't in U.S. (since it's deemed as politically incorrect - aka, that could get you fired - as it happened in the past)". Which, is quite ironic... to be called privileged (which implies - you have more rights) - while your freedom of speech is limited - for being white (if your skin has any other color - those limits don't apply). And i don't mean racist shit, but general truths tackled with common sense (or why not - inconvenient truths). Only a black person could approach those subjects - without getting intro trouble.
One could say, the roles have reversed. I mean, in the American past - some white people used to be black people's voice (and those inconvenient truths - didn't sit well with a lot white people - for obvious reasons). And now - white people need black people to be their voice - while touching certain subjects that are deemed taboo (politically incorrect). Sure, there are some white people - who don't have anything to risk (work from home or have their own business) - who approached those subjects on YouTube (or some other social network). But it's not the same, as in - those people have only white viewers (black people wouldn't bother checking his content - they'd just read the title - label him as racist and move on). On the others hand, if a black dude voices those things - then the black audience - might give him a chance to speak his mind (even if initially they'd think he's just trolling, while hearing him out - those truths can change some of their views - could even change their life for better). If anything, the title is misleading (click bait - if you will), and he's to blunt/direct at times.
That being said, his rise in views and subscribers - could actually be legit (an eye opener for some and a voice for others). One last thing... i'm actually kinda shocked that this came from someone like him, as in... both a religious person and a Trump supporter (i have to admit, i had all kinds of prejudice - when it comes to Trump supporters - as if i could never ever see eye to eye with one of them, yet... life can be surprising like that).click to expand
You're using quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support your claims, so I shall do the same..
I have a WIDE range of political and cultural acquaintances/friends on my social media. I've not seen one person of color post videos like this, be it ABL, Candace Owens, Officer Tatum, etc. The only folks that have posted them (and I'm assuming watching and agreeing) are white conservatives.
Posted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAries
I bet most of the people who sit there a bring up the White privilege never lived in their car. Just saying. So is that no one wanted to help me out because i dont need help because i am white? i so could have used this so called white privilege crap when i was on my fourth day and no food. luck me that i lived in AZ because it is against the law to to deny anyone water. I am soooo tired of people telling me what i am.
White privilege isn't freedom from poverty. White privilege is not freedom from earthly suffering.
You are also not interacting with any explanation given. But truth be told you are not here to actually discuss what it is and how it effects others. You're just here to say you don't like cause it makes you feel bad.
I am here to say that this so call White privilege does not apply to all white people. There are other white cultures to take into account here and what they had to go through to get where they are. So do be putting all white people in one pot.
How would you know? I am not asking that rhetorically. How can you say that something is not part of a whole if you don't even know what the whole is?
You are saying your privilege doesn't come from your race because you were poor or had a rough life. But that isn't what privilege is.
A poor kid can be granted privileges, that doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden Bill Gates.
A rich person can have some of the same privileges as a poor person, depends on what the privilege is.
White privilege is actually a packet of privileges, that if you had bothered to read other responses you would see that not all privileges have to be universally applied but others are innate.
Class struggle is a thing but it isn't the only thing especially in a system that believes in race.
And before you say no you don't believe in race, just know that your belief is not required for it to still mess with folks.
Going forward I will be responding to inform on the topic of privilege within this thread but I am in no way interested in changing your mind, your ignorance on the subject is yours to heal.
Well lets talk about grants for college. Start there, if you are white you are put at the bottom of the list for grants. a privilege that is granted for people of color. Grades and hard work don't matter to earn those grants. A person of color with bad grades will get the grant before a person who is white with great grades.
How is that right?
hu·mil·i·at·ing
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causing someone to feel ashamed and foolish by injuring their dignity and self-respect.
"a humiliating defeat"
humiliating another human person because of the color of there shin, and you find that justified?
but of course you think i am in denial about all the shit that goes on in the country just because i white.
You seem to have missed the point of was trying to make.
When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression....click to expand
This is such a deep, yet difficult concept for me to grasp in my head.. but yet, I'm sure many feel that way.
Posted by Ixi
And if your/their dignity/self-respect is tied to the denial of rights and equal treatment under the law then honestly I think you need to examine why your/their ego is so fragile and yet again check your privilege.
Sorry for quoting bits and pieces..
But this is something I really want to understand. I'm sure their is psychology behind this.. I just need to find it. If you have any references I can read, I would love to see them.
It screams borderline psychopathy to me.
Posted by LittleStar_IIPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
Good lord. You realize neo Nazi far right idiots are anti-Jew, right?click to expand
Wrong - that's the far-left nazi's and communists. There aren't any anti-jews in this country except the muslim lovers and lefty lunatics that hate Israel.
Posted by Ixi
Its white fragility but the clinical term can be incendiary without context.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition#summary
Thank you for this. I will read DiAngelo's paper next, and what I want to ask, may actually be in said paper (but I'll ask anyways).
You know me.. I'm stubborn af. In a social media sense.. I refuse to delete those with opposing views that spread misinformation, because I don't want that misinformation to spread. I will counter for as long as I can, until either; they have a rational discussion with me, or they delete/mute/block me.
It's different in person I suppose. Most people know where I live.. the heart of Conservative belief for the most part, which typically (more often than not) includes certain racial ideologies, whether conscious or subconscious. I live, work, and am family with many of these kind of folks. I simply cannot avoid them.
"Different sources of racial stress that white people can experience may come from: a fellow white person not agreeing with another white person’s perspectives on racism"
This is the most common occurrence for me.
"White people may be against the definition of racism, but experiencing white fragility can contribute to racism. A white person defending themselves or arguing against white superiority prevents conscious discussions with people of color about race and racism."
This is the most common result. Defensiveness that ultimately brings out the subconscious beliefs on race, or simply the conscious beliefs that they were once afraid to express, but now feel embolden to do so.
How do I go about these conversations without pushing them farther towards the edge (in terms of racist ideas)?
Are some people simply a lost cause?
I'm not going to lie.. I do feel confused. Not in the sense of what I believe, but rather, how to deal with those that are close to me. Do I simply draw the line in the sand?
Posted by VenusAquariusPosted by nevesPosted by VenusAquariusPosted by Antiphates
I think it comes down to a personal decision. Some might feel forms of guilt and others don't. Both cases have potential to be problematic.
It's a private choice everyone makes for themselves and neither side of the political spectrum has much right to demand that people take the choice those parties deem right.
Who is asking for "guilt?"
We want change. And, for it to stop.
Check the 1st video.
Maybe your intents are righteous (for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop), but it's naive to expect the same from everyone. My point is... there is no "WE" - there's just you an others alike (in terms of THINKING - not skin color). And others alike are not defined by the color of your/their skin. The majority might agree with you - even if they don't share the same skin color, but certain people be - of any color (even similar) - have their own personal agenda. Believe it or not - there are people with same ancestry - who find joy and are the cause of other people's suffering. Even if there's an equal amour of saints and devils in this world - it will always feel like there's more devils (pain/suffering stands out more than justice or happiness).
Me and others alike is implied.
Evil still exists... as always.
But, being black is not just skin color... it's also culture... which has also been attacked.click to expand
Black culture is fine, just like my SICILIAN culture is fine in this country, but the time is NOW for assimilation to be AMERICANS, just like I have! If you don't like America, and can't assimilate, then just GIT-THE-PHUCK-OUT. No excuses.
Posted by Ixi
Reasons why a Black talking head for white supremacist views will never win over the majority of Black Americans especially those of African American descent?
As a people, we have never been a fan of minstrelsy no matter who is the one practicing it.
You have anger issues. All you ever post about is black power and black oppression. That's fine, but since you hate the country so much, just do yourself a favor, relieve your misery, and just go to a country where you will be the majority black, and theoretically ALL your problems will be solved. Rather than sit around this country and pollute it with your hate and violence against the majority, just seek more fertile pastures for your superior being. 100% serious.
If I felt the way you do, I would have left LONG ago, rather than live in misery with the blond haired, blue eyed predominant look of your neighbors. It's so simple, but some people just want to sit around and complain, rather than change anything about their lives.
Posted by LoggerPosted by LittleStar_IIPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
Good lord. You realize neo Nazi far right idiots are anti-Jew, right?
Wrong - that's the far-left nazi's and communists. There aren't any anti-jews in this country except the muslim lovers and lefty lunatics that hate Israel.click to expand
Posted by WitchmitchAries
Do any of you know the story of poor White Irish people and what they went through? that was one people who got no privilege and nether did the italians.
Thank you for bringing this up, and include Sicilians with Italians. My grandparents had a degree of poverty too, and dealt with a degree of racism being called WOPS, Guinea's, and Dago's, but not once did they quit working and trying for the American dream. They were HAPPY to be here, and they acted like it....they became Americans. 3 generations later, we strongly identify with American heritage, but we don't forget where we came from. But it's not like we make each day and the state where we live into Palermo. It's called ASSIMILATION! Unfortunately there are "some" races that just don't have the intelligence and discipline or drive to assimilate to the American culture. Too lazy, just want to sit around and complain every-single-day, and hope somebody gives them another handout because we're supposed to feel sorry for them.
I love Candace Owens. She does her research and gets her fact straight. You can see she is a bad ass and very caring person.
Posted by WitchmitchAries
I watched this a few days ago and enjoyed it. A conservative friend sent it to me, claiming that Owens "destroyed" Marc Lamont Hill in debate, but I think Hill had the better of the exchanges. Overall its an informative and respectful dialogue, other than maybe the gender discussion, a good entry point for anyone unfamiliar with both sides of these issues.
Posted by WitchmitchAries
I love Candace Owens. She does her research and gets her fact straight.
I don't dislike her, but I think she makes some deeply flawed arguments. And there are much brighter black conservatives who even agree with her on a majority of issues, but whose problem with her is exactly that she often does not get her facts straight, or provide any evidence at all for some of her extreme views:
@VenusAquarius
First things first... when you watch YouTube videos - the YouTube algorithm registers those videos as something you might prefer - and latter on - you'll get recommendation with similar content. It's how/why this videos end-up among YouTube's recommendations for me.
Might feel good to foresee something positive - but it actually feels like shit to foresee stuff like this, sigh... Here's the latest news about multiple shootings taking place on 4th July...
The mother of the murdered 7 year old from Chicago: "We talk about black lives matter - but we killing each-other out, we killing our babies..."
So far they found the driver...
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-weekend-this/6301571/
The mayor from Atlanta: "We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up in our streets..." "You shot and killed a baby. And it wasn't one shooter, there was at least two shooters..." "We've had over 75 shootings in the city over the past several weeks," Bottoms said. "You can't blame that on APD [Atlanta Police Department]." "An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "You don't want someone on the street who would shoot into a car randomly. If you know them, you should turn them in."
The father of the murdered child from Atlanta: "They say black lives matter... You killed your own this time..."
Nah man, they didn't kill "their own" - they killed your daughter...
That's heavy stuff, really hearth breaking... Yet, nobody mentioned about any of those tragedies around this place... If a black guy gets shot - after resisting arrest, by fighting and disarming the officers - then running and shooting that taser back at the police chasing him - the locals start a major riot, it's all over the news and ofc both on front page of DXP and even gets a dedicated topic...
...yet, if children get shot by BLM protestors - the BLM group goes silent, and nobody says anything around this place... WHAT DID THEY DO, TO DESERVE THEIR FATE!??!?!?
If BLM truly meant what the name implies - they would bring the guilty members to justice themselves (some of them - clearly know the name of the guilty parties - as that grieving relative suggested), yet instead... they protect even the killers of black children!!! Or is the name of this groups BLMOWIC (Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient - like, if a white cop is involved), or OSBLM (Only Some Black Lives matter)!?!?!?!?!?
Then there's the gang on gangs shooting - with innocents caught in the crossfire.... Why don't the BLM intervene there - to disband all the black gangs - and help integrate them as functional members of society??!
In Chicago alone the following took place couple of days ago: 4th July... 87 shot, 17 fatally, in Chicago
https://abc7chicago.com/87-shot-17-fatally-in-july-4th-weekend-violence/6301523/
Then there's the tragedies from New York: 63 Shot in NYC Over Fourth of July Weekend
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/mornings-on-1/2020/07/06/shootings-soar-over-fourth-of-july-weekend-in-nyc
The Police in U.S. needs to reform, that much is clear. But what about the American Guns culture, what about the Gangs culture?!?!! What about the Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient culture—!?! What about The Modern Racism culture - where this terms is easily trowed at someone you don't like for made-up reasons (the witch hunt of the old days: you hate your neighbor whom you know for many years - accuse her of being a witch and try to put the mob on her)—!
It's sad when innocent people die, yet when it comes to adults.... unfortunate as it is - that news is more bearable. Can't say the same about innocent children.... that really gets to me... And when it comes to above children, it's quite likely that most people who shed tears for this tragedy are white... Apparently, their deaths don't fit with the so called black agenda (to hate on white people - to target only the incidents where white people are involved). Same goes for the Gun lovers agenda (God forbid you gave up your precious guns)! That's deeply saddening and outraging at the same time... you poor excuses for human beings...
I'm really sorry they were unlucky to be born in that god forsaken place...
R.I.P....
First things first... when you watch YouTube videos - the YouTube algorithm registers those videos as something you might prefer - and latter on - you'll get recommendation with similar content. It's how/why this videos end-up among YouTube's recommendations for me.
Might feel good to foresee something positive - but it actually feels like shit to foresee stuff like this, sigh... Here's the latest news about multiple shootings taking place on 4th July...
The mother of the murdered 7 year old from Chicago: "We talk about black lives matter - but we killing each-other out, we killing our babies..."
So far they found the driver...
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-weekend-this/6301571/
The mayor from Atlanta: "We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up in our streets..." "You shot and killed a baby. And it wasn't one shooter, there was at least two shooters..." "We've had over 75 shootings in the city over the past several weeks," Bottoms said. "You can't blame that on APD [Atlanta Police Department]." "An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "You don't want someone on the street who would shoot into a car randomly. If you know them, you should turn them in."
The father of the murdered child from Atlanta: "They say black lives matter... You killed your own this time..."
Nah man, they didn't kill "their own" - they killed your daughter...
That's heavy stuff, really hearth breaking... Yet, nobody mentioned about any of those tragedies around this place... If a black guy gets shot - after resisting arrest, by fighting and disarming the officers - then running and shooting that taser back at the police chasing him - the locals start a major riot, it's all over the news and ofc both on front page of DXP and even gets a dedicated topic...
...yet, if children get shot by BLM protestors - the BLM group goes silent, and nobody says anything around this place... WHAT DID THEY DO, TO DESERVE THEIR FATE!??!?!?
If BLM truly meant what the name implies - they would bring the guilty members to justice themselves (some of them - clearly know the name of the guilty parties - as that grieving relative suggested), yet instead... they protect even the killers of black children!!! Or is the name of this groups BLMOWIC (Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient - like, if a white cop is involved), or OSBLM (Only Some Black Lives matter)!?!?!?!?!?
Then there's the gang on gangs shooting - with innocents caught in the crossfire.... Why don't the BLM intervene there - to disband all the black gangs - and help integrate them as functional members of society??!
In Chicago alone the following took place couple of days ago: 4th July... 87 shot, 17 fatally, in Chicago
https://abc7chicago.com/87-shot-17-fatally-in-july-4th-weekend-violence/6301523/
Then there's the tragedies from New York: 63 Shot in NYC Over Fourth of July Weekend
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/mornings-on-1/2020/07/06/shootings-soar-over-fourth-of-july-weekend-in-nyc
The Police in U.S. needs to reform, that much is clear. But what about the American Guns culture, what about the Gangs culture?!?!! What about the Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient culture—!?! What about The Modern Racism culture - where this terms is easily trowed at someone you don't like for made-up reasons (the witch hunt of the old days: you hate your neighbor whom you know for many years - accuse her of being a witch and try to put the mob on her)—!
It's sad when innocent people die, yet when it comes to adults.... unfortunate as it is - that news is more bearable. Can't say the same about innocent children.... that really gets to me... And when it comes to above children, it's quite likely that most people who shed tears for this tragedy are white... Apparently, their deaths don't fit with the so called black agenda (to hate on white people - to target only the incidents where white people are involved). Same goes for the Gun lovers agenda (God forbid you gave up your precious guns)! That's deeply saddening and outraging at the same time... you poor excuses for human beings...
I'm really sorry they were unlucky to be born in that god forsaken place...
R.I.P....
Posted by AntiphatesPosted by MetatronPosted by WitchmitchAries
I love Candace Owens. She does her research and gets her fact straight.
I don't dislike her, but I think she makes some deeply flawed arguments. And there are much brighter black conservatives who even agree with her on a majority of issues, but whose problem with her is exactly that she often does not get her facts straight, or provide any evidence at all for some of her extreme views:
Might depend on the definiton of conservative but I'm not sure if one can really call him a conservative. The City Journal he writes for was founded by a conservative but he himselfs seems to lean more on the left of the middle in terms of political orientation.
That being said I'm not sure how much value terms like conservativel, left, right etc. have anymore because those lines become more and more blurry.click to expand
yeah I definitely can agree with that, especially since wherever you stand along the spectrum is relative to the issue under discussion...an early/important influence for him with similar views on race, is John McWhorter, and he takes issue with the label...I guess I use the term wrt his views on race relations because they fall within the stream of thinkers like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Glenn Loury who were referred to as the "black conservatives" of the previous generation....
Posted by MetatronPosted by WitchmitchAries
I watched this a few days ago and enjoyed it. A conservative friend sent it to me, claiming that Owens "destroyed" Marc Lamont Hill in debate, but I think Hill had the better of the exchanges. Overall its an informative and respectful dialogue, other than maybe the gender discussion, a good entry point for anyone unfamiliar with both sides of these issues.click to expand
Lamont Hill just spews whatever talking points he gets from the dem national committee, or lefty issues of the day. He doesn't say anything innovative or special.
If you're going to say Ms. Owens logic and opinions are somehow flawed or inaccurate, you're going to have to present specific refutations of her arguments on specific subjects, or it's all your opinion, nothing more. Every single time I've heard her speak she seems to be right on the money. Haven't disagreed with anything, and she speaks in a way that is far superior to my skills at public speaking. My guess is, if you disagree with her, you just don't like the cold hard facts and truth she gives you.
Posted by Aqua-Marine
How do white people find a way to turn this around to being about them? This movement has nothing to do with white people! Stop with that alllivesmatter bullcrap. Trust me, I understand your stance that things should be inclusive. No one should look at color. But the reality is that has gotten nowhere. There are always going to be people who think that way. And apparently still happens til this day. So yes people have to emphasize that black peoples lives matter. Because apparently if you don’t fight for that, racist hate filled people won’t care. Unless non black people join hands with them and be anti racist instead of just denying racism exists.
People need to get rid of their pride and egos. Right now that is what it seems like you are doing, taking the movement as an attack towards you personally. But it isn’t.
I reframe from using words like “privilege” in general because it does sound condescending. Everyone has their different struggles. But try to put yourself in the shoes of black people, even though it’s not easy when you aren’t living that way. But look at their history, how many white people have gotten brutally murdered just for being white? How many white peoples ancestors were seen beneath all humans and used only for labor? How many white people have to deal with stereotypes in all parts if the world?
You guys literally have it easy in that way. Even in other countries they worship white people like they are above even their own kind! Why?
White skin and caucasian features all over the world have been seem as desirable. Literally engrained in society that white is always better. This stuff goes deep into history.
Even myself as a “brown person”, not white but not black I feel I have it easier.
I wish to go abroad someday and I realize watching videos of black people who also want to travel have to deal with the worry of racism more than any other race. Something I know I have easier in that regard. Than I think, wow what if I was black? It would be harder for me to even think about traveling. So yes, especially white people have it easy in these regards.
So unless you simply don’t care about black people, you should reframe from victimizing whites in these instances because it sounds very racist.
You've just said the same exact thing that Ixi, Mamba, Meta and Alica all have said, over and over.
Why don't you just try to assimilate and embrace being American, and perhaps over time things will improve for you.
If you try to be an Italian, speak italian, and long for the homeland, things probably won't go well for you in America.
You can't visit Rome or the canals in Venice because they don't exist in America.
American has her own culture - embrace it, rather than try to be different and unique.
Of course if you truly are unhappy, and you feel out of place as a minority in America, I would strongly consider going back to Florence, or Rome, or Venice, and reconnect with the people from your homeland. Those relatives from GENERATIONS ago, that may not embrace you any more vigorously than the majority in America.
The fact is some of you have figured out how to embrace and assimilate to the culture.
Others of you can't adjust - a small minority. I'll continue to pray for a break through!
Posted by AntiphatesPosted by MetatronPosted by AntiphatesPosted by MetatronPosted by WitchmitchAries
I love Candace Owens. She does her research and gets her fact straight.
I don't dislike her, but I think she makes some deeply flawed arguments. And there are much brighter black conservatives who even agree with her on a majority of issues, but whose problem with her is exactly that she often does not get her facts straight, or provide any evidence at all for some of her extreme views:
Might depend on the definiton of conservative but I'm not sure if one can really call him a conservative. The City Journal he writes for was founded by a conservative but he himselfs seems to lean more on the left of the middle in terms of political orientation.
That being said I'm not sure how much value terms like conservativel, left, right etc. have anymore because those lines become more and more blurry.
yeah I definitely can agree with that, especially since wherever you stand along the spectrum is relative to the issue under discussion...an early/important influence for him with similar views on race, is John McWhorter, and he takes issue with the label...I guess I use the term wrt his views on race relations because they fall within the stream of thinkers like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Glenn Loury who were referred to as the "black conservatives" of the previous generation....
You mean it's more a "conservative" in the sense of a thought tradition?click to expand
with regards to race, his views around individual responsibility, opposition to affirmative action, reparations, etc.
Posted by LoggerPosted by WitchmitchAries
Do any of you know the story of poor White Irish people and what they went through? that was one people who got no privilege and nether did the italians.
Thank you for bringing this up, and include Sicilians with Italians. My grandparents had a degree of poverty too, and dealt with a degree of racism being called WOPS, Guinea's, and Dago's, but not once did they quit working and trying for the American dream. They were HAPPY to be here, and they acted like it....they became Americans. 3 generations later, we strongly identify with American heritage, but we don't forget where we came from. But it's not like we make each day and the state where we live into Palermo. It's called ASSIMILATION! Unfortunately there are "some" races that just don't have the intelligence and discipline or drive to assimilate to the American culture. Too lazy, just want to sit around and complain every-single-day, and hope somebody gives them another handout because we're supposed to feel sorry for them.click to expand
Did the Irish and the Italians have a choice to travel elsewhere for a better life? (It’s rhetorical, no need to answer)
Definition of choice (Wasn’t sure if you understood the word, see below for some examples)
an act or instance of choosing; selection:
Her choice of a computer was made after months of research. His parents were not happy with his choice of friends.
the right, power, or opportunity to choose; option:
The child had no choice about going to school.
the person or thing chosen or eligible to be chosen:
This book is my choice. He is one of many choices for the award.
an alternative:
There is another choice.
Posted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAriesPosted by IxiPosted by WitchmitchAries
I bet most of the people who sit there a bring up the White privilege never lived in their car. Just saying. So is that no one wanted to help me out because i dont need help because i am white? i so could have used this so called white privilege crap when i was on my fourth day and no food. luck me that i lived in AZ because it is against the law to to deny anyone water. I am soooo tired of people telling me what i am.
White privilege isn't freedom from poverty. White privilege is not freedom from earthly suffering.
You are also not interacting with any explanation given. But truth be told you are not here to actually discuss what it is and how it effects others. You're just here to say you don't like cause it makes you feel bad.
I am here to say that this so call White privilege does not apply to all white people. There are other white cultures to take into account here and what they had to go through to get where they are. So do be putting all white people in one pot.
How would you know? I am not asking that rhetorically. How can you say that something is not part of a whole if you don't even know what the whole is?
You are saying your privilege doesn't come from your race because you were poor or had a rough life. But that isn't what privilege is.
A poor kid can be granted privileges, that doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden Bill Gates.
A rich person can have some of the same privileges as a poor person, depends on what the privilege is.
White privilege is actually a packet of privileges, that if you had bothered to read other responses you would see that not all privileges have to be universally applied but others are innate.
Class struggle is a thing but it isn't the only thing especially in a system that believes in race.
And before you say no you don't believe in race, just know that your belief is not required for it to still mess with folks.
Going forward I will be responding to inform on the topic of privilege within this thread but I am in no way interested in changing your mind, your ignorance on the subject is yours to heal.
Well lets talk about grants for college. Start there, if you are white you are put at the bottom of the list for grants. a privilege that is granted for people of color. Grades and hard work don't matter to earn those grants. A person of color with bad grades will get the grant before a person who is white with great grades.
How is that right?
hu·mil·i·at·ing
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adjective
causing someone to feel ashamed and foolish by injuring their dignity and self-respect.
"a humiliating defeat"
humiliating another human person because of the color of there shin, and you find that justified?
but of course you think i am in denial about all the shit that goes on in the country just because i white.
You seem to have missed the point of was trying to make.click to expand
Can you also do a breakdown for the word Privilege? For those of us who are less fluent in the language
Posted by LoggerPosted by VenusAquariusPosted by nevesPosted by VenusAquariusPosted by Antiphates
I think it comes down to a personal decision. Some might feel forms of guilt and others don't. Both cases have potential to be problematic.
It's a private choice everyone makes for themselves and neither side of the political spectrum has much right to demand that people take the choice those parties deem right.
Who is asking for "guilt?"
We want change. And, for it to stop.
Check the 1st video.
Maybe your intents are righteous (for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop), but it's naive to expect the same from everyone. My point is... there is no "WE" - there's just you an others alike (in terms of THINKING - not skin color). And others alike are not defined by the color of your/their skin. The majority might agree with you - even if they don't share the same skin color, but certain people be - of any color (even similar) - have their own personal agenda. Believe it or not - there are people with same ancestry - who find joy and are the cause of other people's suffering. Even if there's an equal amour of saints and devils in this world - it will always feel like there's more devils (pain/suffering stands out more than justice or happiness).
Me and others alike is implied.
Evil still exists... as always.
But, being black is not just skin color... it's also culture... which has also been attacked.
Black culture is fine, just like my SICILIAN culture is fine in this country, but the time is NOW for assimilation to be AMERICANS, just like I have! If you don't like America, and can't assimilate, then just GIT-THE-PHUCK-OUT. No excuses.click to expand
I'm glad you think black culture is fine.
I hope you know that not everyone feels that way and has demonstrated to the contrary in many occasions throughout history sometimes through misrepresentation, mockery, appropriation, profiling, and threatening banning.
And, I'm sorry but the message is diversity.
And, it has been that way for a long time.
It is taught (although most often not practiced) and is often a requirement in management, leadership, executive positions. It is not uncommon to have diversity type questions asked during interviews for management, leadership, executive positions. One question I was asked was, "how do you promote diversity within an organization?" This was asked by the Equal Employment Opportunity Representative on the Interview Committee. Many companies include a message of diversity in it's mission statement, company profile, etc.
I never seen a message on assimilation.
Posted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslimclick to expand
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Posted by neves
@VenusAquarius
First things first... when you watch YouTube videos - the YouTube algorithm registers those videos as something you might prefer - and latter on - you'll get recommendation with similar content. It's how/why this videos end-up among YouTube's recommendations for me.
Might feel good to foresee something positive - but it actually feels like shit to foresee stuff like this, sigh... Here's the latest news about multiple shootings taking place on 4th July...
The mother of the murdered 7 year old from Chicago: "We talk about black lives matter - but we killing each-other out, we killing our babies..."
So far they found the driver...
The mayor from Atlanta: "We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up in our streets..." "You shot and killed a baby. And it wasn't one shooter, there was at least two shooters..." "We've had over 75 shootings in the city over the past several weeks," Bottoms said. "You can't blame that on APD [Atlanta Police Department]." "An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "You don't want someone on the street who would shoot into a car randomly. If you know them, you should turn them in."
The father of the murdered child from Atlanta: "They say black lives matter... You killed your own this time..."
Nah man, they didn't kill "their own" - they killed your daughter...
That's heavy stuff, really hearth breaking... Yet, nobody mentioned about any of those tragedies around this place... If a black guy gets shot - after resisting arrest, by fighting and disarming the officers - then running and shooting that taser back at the police chasing him - the locals start a major riot, it's all over the news and ofc both on front page of DXP and even gets a dedicated topic...
...yet, if children get shot by BLM protestors - the BLM group goes silent, and nobody says anything around this place... WHAT DID THEY DO, TO DESERVE THEIR FATE!??!?!?
If BLM truly meant what the name implies - they would bring the guilty members to justice themselves (some of them - clearly know the name of the guilty parties - as that grieving relative suggested), yet instead... they protect even the killers of black children!!! Or is the name of this groups BLMOWIC (Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient - like, if a white cop is involved), or OSBLM (Only Some Black Lives matter)!?!?!?!?!?
Then there's the gang on gangs shooting - with innocents caught in the crossfire.... Why don't the BLM intervene there - to disband all the black gangs - and help integrate them as functional members of society??!
In Chicago alone the following took place couple of days ago: 4th July... 87 shot, 17 fatally, in Chicago
Then there's the tragedies from New York: 63 Shot in NYC Over Fourth of July Weekend
The Police in U.S. needs to reform, that much is clear. But what about the American Guns culture, what about the Gangs culture?!?!! What about the Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient culture—!?! What about The Modern Racism culture - where this terms is easily trowed at someone you don't like for made-up reasons (the witch hunt of the old days: you hate your neighbor whom you know for many years - accuse her of being a witch and try to put the mob on her)—!
It's sad when innocent people die, yet when it comes to adults.... unfortunate as it is - that news is more bearable. Can't say the same about innocent children.... that really gets to me... And when it comes to above children, it's quite likely that most people who shed tears for this tragedy are white... Apparently, their deaths don't fit with the so called black agenda (to hate on white people - to target only the incidents where white people are involved). Same goes for the Gun lovers agenda (God forbid you gave up your precious guns)! That's deeply saddening and outraging at the same time... you poor excuses for human beings...
I'm really sorry they were unlucky to be born in that god forsaken place...
R.I.P....
Neves, this is an annoyingly tedious post about a news story that you seemingly are twisting to... I'm not sure, it's so idiotic... prove a point of some kind?
My mother and I spoke about one of these stories last night as she lives in Atlanta.
The subject is killing people BECAUSE they are black. That's the main point of BLM... killing people BECAUSE they are black.
Here's the real message of what is going on in this news story....“The deadly Covid-19 pandemic, the unrest triggered by George Floyd’s murder, escalating poverty, broiling summer heat and a flood of illegal guns have created a toxic mix of despair in our city, and we must address it,” Darrell L. Clarke, the City Council president, said in a statement on Monday.
Poverty is a major source of violence (period). The issue is that systematic racism is the method of assuring blacks do not have resources. Then, turn around and point and shout, "look at the violence."
The black population in Atlanta is dense... if not one of the most dense population of blacks. With the poor educational system and the history of education for blacks, the mother's quotes, inferences, and emotions are quite skewed.
You are not American. You do not know that gun violence peaks because the fireworks camouflage gun fire. It's a perfect time for revenge... and Chicago has made it the tradition to use that time for that purpose. Just imagine me trying to figure out the society ins-and outs of your mysterious location.
You picked a YouTube video. You did not try to understand. Even if it randomly showed up in your feed, you said, "aha!"
No go, because you do not care. The history is there. Your attitude interferes.
Racism effects many, many facets of black lives: housing, education, employment, medical services.
This is a nurse in the hospital crying because of how the black patients at her hospital are being treated during COVID. Racism effects many, many facets of black lives: housing, education, employment, medical services.
You will ignore this too... cause you do not care. Once again, racism effects many, many facets of black lives: housing, education, employment, medical services.
Here's some information on when black were living prosperously and peacefully... guess what happens... Look -up ROSEWOOD and "Black Wallstreet."
Posted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslim
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Okclick to expand
I'm serious. I don't know much about the stuff. I thought it was all religion based and I don't follow anything much regarding religion.
Posted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslim
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Ok
I'm serious. I don't know much about the stuff. I thought it was all religion based and I don't follow anything much regarding religion.
Oh ok I thought you were just being snide and didn't offer any kind of rebuttal so that's all I had lol
I mean every issue is obviously more complex than race and skin color. I don't act like Israel is beyond criticism or anything, but the fact that Trump and the mostly white Christian right are largely pro-Israel has a lot to do with the anti-Israel sentiment that's become more common lately. I'm also no expert on the race issues surrounding that situation outside of the fact that European and American Jews are basically white in terms of skin color and Israeli Jews seem to generally be lighter than Palestinians. Doesn't seem like a stretch to say that the left sides with the darker skinned people when the idea of white privilege and all is all the rage latelyclick to expand
Even without much knowledge on the subject, my assumption would be that this stems from 9/11 anti-Muslim rhetoric of the Christian right and the Left's dislike of such.
Race never even crossed my mind in regards to the subject.
Posted by _DazedPosted by Ixi
Its white fragility but the clinical term can be incendiary without context.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/white-fragility-definition#summary
Thank you for this. I will read DiAngelo's paper next, and what I want to ask, may actually be in said paper (but I'll ask anyways).
You know me.. I'm stubborn af. In a social media sense.. I refuse to delete those with opposing views that spread misinformation, because I don't want that misinformation to spread. I will counter for as long as I can, until either; they have a rational discussion with me, or they delete/mute/block me.
It's different in person I suppose. Most people know where I live.. the heart of Conservative belief for the most part, which typically (more often than not) includes certain racial ideologies, whether conscious or subconscious. I live, work, and am family with many of these kind of folks. I simply cannot avoid them.
"Different sources of racial stress that white people can experience may come from: a fellow white person not agreeing with another white person’s perspectives on racism"
This is the most common occurrence for me.
"White people may be against the definition of racism, but experiencing white fragility can contribute to racism. A white person defending themselves or arguing against white superiority prevents conscious discussions with people of color about race and racism."
This is the most common result. Defensiveness that ultimately brings out the subconscious beliefs on race, or simply the conscious beliefs that they were once afraid to express, but now feel embolden to do so.
How do I go about these conversations without pushing them farther towards the edge (in terms of racist ideas)?
Are some people simply a lost cause?
I'm not going to lie.. I do feel confused. Not in the sense of what I believe, but rather, how to deal with those that are close to me. Do I simply draw the line in the sand?click to expand
I'm butting in, sorry...
My answer is educate, educate, educate...
Make arguments historical, sociological, economical, etc.
Posted by _DazedPosted by nevesPosted by _Dazed
@neves
Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.
I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.
Did you check the video (the 2nd one)?! I would agree with you if that guy is spilling a lot of bullshit - might even be the one debunking it (as i did in the past - with other BS posted on DXP) - but that dude makes a lot strong points. Thus, you'd loose that bet for sure - because his ideas are anything but conservative (radical even). Not only that, he's saying stuff "that most white people can't/won't in U.S. (since it's deemed as politically incorrect - aka, that could get you fired - as it happened in the past)". Which, is quite ironic... to be called privileged (which implies - you have more rights) - while your freedom of speech is limited - for being white (if your skin has any other color - those limits don't apply). And i don't mean racist shit, but general truths tackled with common sense (or why not - inconvenient truths). Only a black person could approach those subjects - without getting intro trouble.
One could say, the roles have reversed. I mean, in the American past - some white people used to be black people's voice (and those inconvenient truths - didn't sit well with a lot white people - for obvious reasons). And now - white people need black people to be their voice - while touching certain subjects that are deemed taboo (politically incorrect). Sure, there are some white people - who don't have anything to risk (work from home or have their own business) - who approached those subjects on YouTube (or some other social network). But it's not the same, as in - those people have only white viewers (black people wouldn't bother checking his content - they'd just read the title - label him as racist and move on). On the others hand, if a black dude voices those things - then the black audience - might give him a chance to speak his mind (even if initially they'd think he's just trolling, while hearing him out - those truths can change some of their views - could even change their life for better). If anything, the title is misleading (click bait - if you will), and he's to blunt/direct at times.
That being said, his rise in views and subscribers - could actually be legit (an eye opener for some and a voice for others). One last thing... i'm actually kinda shocked that this came from someone like him, as in... both a religious person and a Trump supporter (i have to admit, i had all kinds of prejudice - when it comes to Trump supporters - as if i could never ever see eye to eye with one of them, yet... life can be surprising like that).
You're using quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support your claims, so I shall do the same..
I have a WIDE range of political and cultural acquaintances/friends on my social media. I've not seen one person of color post videos like this, be it ABL, Candace Owens, Officer Tatum, etc. The only folks that have posted them (and I'm assuming watching and agreeing) are white conservatives.click to expand
It’s so cringe
Posted by IxiPosted by bmoon8Posted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslim
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Ok
I'm serious. I don't know much about the stuff. I thought it was all religion based and I don't follow anything much regarding religion.
There is a racial component, but to be frank the issue with Israel is apartheid and their "internal" security apparatus as well as the direction and policy of the Netanyahu gov't.
Pro-Israel folks want to focus on the actions of Iranian backed actors but often times ignore the policies that Israel has towards Palestinians both in the Gaza Strip and Africans living within the country.
Israel is not blameless.
There's not a country on earth that's blameless
You say that as if its a defense to anything. It is not.
Except I'm not saying it as a defense. My point that I've already made is the people on the left who single out Israel while turning a blind eye to the rest of the world as it suits their agenda. Just as the religious right in America does in defense of Israel. Neither are right. I haven't defended anything Israel has done or said they're beyond criticism. Because no country and no government is. That's my point
Israel isn't singled out. If anything Israel is considered along with every other nation that oppresses people of color: The United States, The United Kingdom, France, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil...the list definitely goes on.... BLM is a global movement because Anti-Blackness is global. The West's racist and colonial legacy is global....the system infrastructure and conditioning supporting the system was as well...Israel isn't beyond reproach in this regard and that is why Israel gets its rightful scrutiny.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mazzig-mizrahi-jews-israel-20190520-story.html% 3f_amp=true
Not reading it.click to expand
Broken link, doesn’t work anyways
Posted by bmoon8Posted by IxiPosted by bmoon8Posted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslim
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Ok
I'm serious. I don't know much about the stuff. I thought it was all religion based and I don't follow anything much regarding religion.
There is a racial component, but to be frank the issue with Israel is apartheid and their "internal" security apparatus as well as the direction and policy of the Netanyahu gov't.
Pro-Israel folks want to focus on the actions of Iranian backed actors but often times ignore the policies that Israel has towards Palestinians both in the Gaza Strip and Africans living within the country.
Israel is not blameless.
There's not a country on earth that's blameless
You say that as if its a defense to anything. It is not.
Except I'm not saying it as a defense. My point that I've already made is the people on the left who single out Israel while turning a blind eye to the rest of the world as it suits their agenda. Just as the religious right in America does in defense of Israel. Neither are right. I haven't defended anything Israel has done or said they're beyond criticism. Because no country and no government is. That's my point
Israel isn't singled out. If anything Israel is considered along with every other nation that oppresses people of color: The United States, The United Kingdom, France, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil...the list definitely goes on.... BLM is a global movement because Anti-Blackness is global. The West's racist and colonial legacy is global....the system infrastructure and conditioning supporting the system was as well...Israel isn't beyond reproach in this regard and that is why Israel gets its rightful scrutiny.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mazzig-mizrahi-jews-israel-20190520-story.html% 3f_amp=true
Not reading it.
Refuse to educate yourself and be ignorant then. But please spare us all of your ignorance.click to expand
It's an opinion piece. No education to be had.
Posted by Aliensusedourbogroll
Someone doesn’t understand white privilege and intersectionality........
Happy birthday butthead
Posted by bmoon8Posted by _DazedPosted by bmoon8Posted by IxiPosted by bmoon8Posted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by IxiPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by _DazedPosted by BoredToDeathPosted by WitchmitchAries
Would if these White people are Jews? They earned everything they have.
holocaust survivor
The left is becoming more and more overtly anti-semetic everyday so this accusation doesn't even really hope any weight anymore lmao, a lot don't even try to hide it. Sure there's anti-semetic neonazis on the right as well, the difference is that it's relegated to the fringes while it's crept into the mainstream on the left. They just see them as a sub-sect of economically privileged people who also benefit from their light skinned white privilege. The people on the left who obsess over Israeli human rights violations give a free pass to other middle east countries and bend over backwards defending them as long as they're browner and Muslim
I wasn't aware that the issue regarding the West bank was related to race.
Ok
I'm serious. I don't know much about the stuff. I thought it was all religion based and I don't follow anything much regarding religion.
There is a racial component, but to be frank the issue with Israel is apartheid and their "internal" security apparatus as well as the direction and policy of the Netanyahu gov't.
Pro-Israel folks want to focus on the actions of Iranian backed actors but often times ignore the policies that Israel has towards Palestinians both in the Gaza Strip and Africans living within the country.
Israel is not blameless.
There's not a country on earth that's blameless
You say that as if its a defense to anything. It is not.
Except I'm not saying it as a defense. My point that I've already made is the people on the left who single out Israel while turning a blind eye to the rest of the world as it suits their agenda. Just as the religious right in America does in defense of Israel. Neither are right. I haven't defended anything Israel has done or said they're beyond criticism. Because no country and no government is. That's my point
Israel isn't singled out. If anything Israel is considered along with every other nation that oppresses people of color: The United States, The United Kingdom, France, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil...the list definitely goes on.... BLM is a global movement because Anti-Blackness is global. The West's racist and colonial legacy is global....the system infrastructure and conditioning supporting the system was as well...Israel isn't beyond reproach in this regard and that is why Israel gets its rightful scrutiny.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mazzig-mizrahi-jews-israel-20190520-story.html% 3f_amp=true
Not reading it.
Refuse to educate yourself and be ignorant then. But please spare us all of your ignorance.
It's an opinion piece. No education to be had.
I disagree. She states that 30% of Jews living in Israel are Askenazi or white European Jews and succinctly said what I wanted to say.click to expand
You also said you wanted to burn the book/history of those you oppose, so your stance should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Well I can't find the food forum. That's why I'm putting it here. I know there is a thread about this somewhere in the food forum. I wanted to resurface it so I decided to make a new one here.
So let's get on with it shall we. For all carnivores I like t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRpWX7nJ420
Just a fun little thing that I thought would be fun! 🙃
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What placements, energy or aspects cause this?
I just cannot stand today’s average person who is either busy with being obsessed with social media, on a billion dating or phone apps, gossiping or being nosy, envying others, busy on their phones or mindle
This is to post funny moments from your TV and Movie viewing pasts. I challenge you to find some that most people aren't that familiar with but post what you'd like.
I saw this clip when I was young and I believe I caught it seeing an SNL special. I re
my other phone was a Samsung Galaxy 8
I am on the iPhone 11 now
What should I do first?
Let's see some pretty sights. All images are welcome. I want to dream a little ❤️ What do you like?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA
I’m sure all this covid shit has caused major existential crises. Before all this all I cared about was looking the cutest at all the parties/events I went to, traveling, eating out, etc. I don’t think I can do any of those completely safe within the next
I'm always on the lookout for interesting content to read/listen to.
Any suggestions on topics that are of interest that you enjoy or can recommend?
It can be about anything like lifestyle, productivity, hobbies, etc.
I know TedTalk is a big one but wh
Who in here is sexually abstinent.
I want to try this for a while, wish me luck.
Should I ditch (aka throw away/give it to someone who could use it) my hair straightener...
Or...
Keep it "just in case"..
My hair has been wavy my entire life but has gotten curlier (like my mom's has) every few years. Maybe like, 7/8th grade it got a
So when I was very young I went through a heavy ‘British boys are the dreamest’ phase and ‘no matter what I want to some day move to England’. My encounter with actual British people have been very limited. So I would create this allure around them being
No I don't want to know which iPhone or what investment can be made. I've never really understood what the value of 1000USD is like what they mean to an American. Is it a small amount, is it a big amount? How long does it take to earn it? So tell me thing
Bunch of people (mostly women) sending friendship requests on FB (besides the usual fake profiles..)
Anyone else experiencing it too?
Do you rent or have a mortgage/own your home?
What are the advantages of both and if you rent, are you hoping to own your own home in the future?
How important is it for you to own your own home?
Could you state your moon and which house it falls in a
Fanta was just another Pontus.
I'm sorry, once again.. for trying to trick all of you.
I can't help it.
I've always been one person who gave people the treatment they deserved. Or I think I think I didn't judge what they deserved but I at least treated them just the way the treated me. I'd respect all who'd respect me and give a hard time to those who would
Who's on yours?
which is more important to you?
It said joke or reference. Again here you are cherry picking what you choose to apply to your argument and dismissing all other pertinent information that goes against your narrative.
Alas... I'm not here to argue with you. I really wish we could have a normal conversation & I've already tried to make peace with you; however, your answer was quite literally "no".
So... I'm not going to spend my time and energy discussing something with someone that has already made their intent clear.
I would appreciate it if you would refrain from continually watching everything that I post an effort to comment on it. It's getting kind of creepy.