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Sweden to abolish affirmative action
Good.
I don't get it, why is it unfair when Sweden already has a history of practicing affirmative action when it comes to getting more women into male dominated university programs? But getting males into female dominated fields, is somehow politically incorrect?
I am going to write a very angry letter to the govt.
I am going to write a very angry letter to the govt.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Posted by HappyCapperThat's what standards are for. A student is let in the door, the student doesn't uphold his or her end of the contract, the student is let go.Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.click to expand
Also, this is another reason why online learning is booming.
Posted by enfant_terriblePretty much, it was okay when women benefited from it.
I don't get it, why is it unfair when Sweden already has a history of practicing affirmative action when it comes to getting more women into male dominated university programs? But getting males into female dominated fields, is somehow politically incorrect?
I am going to write a very angry letter to the govt.
When the men benefited from the program, once they became a minority, then it had to be stopped.
Posted by LillyPetalThey are still too many.Posted by HappyCapperThat's what standards are for. A student is let in the door, the student doesn't uphold his or her end of the contract, the student is let go.Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Also, this is another reason why online learning is booming.click to expand
Posted by LillyPetalWhat do you mean? Anyone who wants to pursue and education is free to do it. The topic at hand is affirmative action, and whether it should only be applied when women benefit from it? My point is If you gonna accept people based on their gender, do it right.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Men have been weeded out like this forever to make room for women, no one complained because it would have been "politically incorrect".
Posted by enfant_terribleThe double standard stems from the fact that women have always been excluded. When doors were opened up, the ratio of male to female seats were still imbalanced. The question becomes: how much do we have to take away from one to give to the other?Posted by LillyPetalWhat do you mean? Anyone who wants to pursue and education is free to do it. The topic at hand is affirmative action, and whether it should only be applied when women benefit from it? My point is If you gonna accept people based on their gender, do it right.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Men have been weeded out like this forever to make room for women, no one complained because it would have been "politically incorrect".
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If women are still the minority, taking from them to give to men will be frowned upon. If women aren't the minority, taking from them will look like regression. Which, again, will be frowned upon. But I don't know enough about the current state to say.
Posted by HappyCapperAnd it's a sad reflection on society and it's values: there are too many pursuing a higher education!Posted by LillyPetalThey are still too many.Posted by HappyCapperThat's what standards are for. A student is let in the door, the student doesn't uphold his or her end of the contract, the student is let go.Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Also, this is another reason why online learning is booming.click to expand
Sad, indeed. Money misspent.
Posted by enfant_terrible"Anyone who wants to pursue and education is free to do it"Posted by LillyPetalWhat do you mean? Anyone who wants to pursue and education is free to do it. The topic at hand is affirmative action, and whether it should only be applied when women benefit from it? My point is If you gonna accept people based on their gender, do it right.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Men have been weeded out like this forever to make room for women, no one complained because it would have been "politically incorrect".
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In theory, yes, but there is no room for all students who apply to each and every program. Unfortunately.
On the whole, I agree with you. If you want equality, let it be equality and not some man bashing movement. Must admit to being anti quotation as a rule. There may potentially be situations where it could be called for, but not as a rule. Imo.
Posted by LillyPetalDoors in Sweden have been opened up a long time. The only double standard is the notion that women are somehow more interested in, and therefore entitled to get into male dominated fields, moreso than men are getting into female dominated fields. Politically incorrect in all its politically correct glory.. that's Sweden for ya
The double standard stems from the fact that women have always been excluded. When doors were opened up, the ratio of male to female seats were still imbalanced.
Posted by LillyPetalNot sure about that, tbh. It's a difficult question. I can see the reasoning from a financial pov - where should they get the money? From health care? From elementary school? But, yes, from the individual's pov it's a pity!Posted by HappyCapperAnd it's a sad reflection on society and it's values: there are too many pursuing a higher education!Posted by LillyPetalThey are still too many.Posted by HappyCapperThat's what standards are for. A student is let in the door, the student doesn't uphold his or her end of the contract, the student is let go.Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Also, this is another reason why online learning is booming.
Sad, indeed. Money misspent.click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperWe would need to see a break down of government finances to truly understand where the waste is occurring. Taking from already suffering areas such as elementary schools and healthcare are not the only options, I am certain of it. But it's what governments will tell the public to silence the people's calls for better spending.Posted by LillyPetalNot sure about that, tbh. It's a difficult question. I can see the reasoning from a financial pov - where should they get the money? From health care? From elementary school? But, yes, from the individual's pov it's a pity!Posted by HappyCapperAnd it's a sad reflection on society and it's values: there are too many pursuing a higher education!Posted by LillyPetalThey are still too many.Posted by HappyCapperThat's what standards are for. A student is let in the door, the student doesn't uphold his or her end of the contract, the student is let go.Posted by LillyPetalBecause there are too many wannabe students - there's no room for all of them, and not enough teachers.
Why not let all who want to pursue a higher education, do it. Let's make it easier for the ambitiously motivated in the area of academics.
Also, this is another reason why online learning is booming.
Sad, indeed. Money misspent.click to expand
I am also curious:
The article states that the women have superior grades, yet are being turned away in favor of male students in the name of affirmative action.
The female students that were admitted in the past, were their grades not on-par with those of their male counterparts, but the women were refused on basis of gender until affirmative action was put into practice?
This is an important distinction, I think.
The article states that the women have superior grades, yet are being turned away in favor of male students in the name of affirmative action.
The female students that were admitted in the past, were their grades not on-par with those of their male counterparts, but the women were refused on basis of gender until affirmative action was put into practice?
This is an important distinction, I think.
Posted by SensitiveBluesYou say "universities are full of Chinese and Indian students" as though that's causation of boys struggling to get an education. =.=
They should implement that here!
Boys are struggling to get an education
Universities are full of Chinese and Indian students
Americans especially American males are falling way behind
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"The education system should open doors -- not slam them in the face of motivated young women," Higher Education Minister Tobias Krantz wrote in an article in Sweden's leading daily Dagens Nyheter.
The government has allowed universities to practice affirmative action since 2003 in order to encourage an equal number of men and women at the country's universities.
Criticism has raged in Sweden recently after male students have been given priority to popular programmes where men are under-represented, in particular the medicine, psychology, veterinary and dentistry faculties.
For those programmes in particular, there are more women applicants with top grades than men, yet the men are admitted because of the affirmative action rule.
Women represent about 60 percent of university students in Sweden, a pioneer in gender equality.
"The current regulations yield a totally unfair result. Last year it was almost only women, 95 percent, who had worked hard to get into their dream programme but who did not get in because of their gender," Krantz wrote.
A Swedish appeals court recently ruled in favour of 44 women who were not admitted to a veterinary programme because of their gender, awarding them damages of 35,000 kronor (5,000 dollars, 3,400 euros) each.
In another class-action lawsuit currently in the courts, 31 women have sued Lund University in southern Sweden for discrimination for giving male students admissions priority to the psychology programme in 2008.
Link: http://arhiva.dalje.com/en-world/sweden-to-abolish-affirmative-action/289636