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I bet UK will never leave EU.



And this is coming from someone who predicted the "Leave" win.

One day before I sold my UK stock and bought US one....next day it was up 7% 🙂
Very nice. Just a question. Do you do trading yourself or do you have an agent?
I use iweb share dealing and choose my own shares. Highly recommended.


Swap you a fairy reading for some share tips? 😛
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DEAL!
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"EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum"

^^^^^^

LOL! I REALLY LIKE THE SOUND OF THIS!

Hello wee Brexiters.......?

There are good news and bad news for you....

The good news is that you won.

The bad news is....there is no escape from EU...because who made the rules was far clever!

There is no escape! Just running in circles . It will go on and on and on....and there is only one winner: UNITED EUROPE 🙂!
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Mirrors on the ceiling,

The pink champagne on ice

And she said "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

And in the master's chambers,

They gathered for the feast

They stab it with their steely knives,

But they just can't kill the beast

Last thing I remember, I was

Running for the door

I had to find the passage back

To the place I was before

"Relax, " said the night man,

"We are programmed to receive.

You can check-out any time you like,

But you can never leave! "
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Shame I cannot open your video on this laptop.

Aqua is a very patriotic Yorkshireman. He wanted independence from EU and possibly fewer migrants......at the same time, he is considering losing his personal independence to his EU immigrant girlfriend 😄

He is going on a two week trek tomorrow, with fellow Brexiters.: wilderness, camping, YMCA, fleas, ticks...they deserve "em all!

We did argue a lot but ended up laughing. We have too much Aries...
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Shame I cannot open your video on this laptop.

Aqua is a very patriotic Yorkshireman. He wanted independence from EU and possibly fewer migrants......at the same time, he is considering losing his personal independence to his EU immigrant girlfriend 😄

He is going on a two week trek tomorrow, with fellow Brexiters.: wilderness, camping, YMCA, fleas, ticks...they deserve "em all!

We did argue a lot but ended up laughing. We have too much Aries...
Sounds like aqua man is quite the Yorkie 'bout towner. Be sure to explain to him that

some Muslims might be a bit sensitive about men dancing at the Y.





Here's an app to keep everyone entertained. It's called Churchill Solitaire.

Found out about it, here.



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A second referendum is total fascist bullshit for two reasons.

1.) The PM already announced weeks ago that there would be no second referendum.

2.) The second referendum is being signed by large numbers of idiots who are not even UK citizens.

I suppose it is easy for people to demand more UK taxpayer money if they are not even working for it, let alone UK citizens.

The remain party seems to be a bunch of human garbage just causing trouble, and refusing to allow democracy to have its voice in the UK.
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Yeah... that type of Aqua craziness sounds familiar (their ruling planet is Uranus - after all): I hate Immigrants (ignores the fact that his GF is an immigrant). 😄

Even if UK - would still end-up in EU, after this referendum... things will never be the same again. It strengthened the hate - and it seeded more hate in other people's hearts. 😢


People hate whatever they are incited to.....EU migrants was the hate of the moment.....probably they had to goole where do I find an EU migrant too....hopefully they found the right info this time....

Hate will be replaced by disappointment. Their life will get harder.........they will be about to lose Scotland and possibly N. Ireland........the market will collapse....the island now nicknamed Little England will be drifting away, alone and forgotten.



Luckily, EU will not allow it to happen 🙂!





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Not for everybody, but for some (like those who made a habit in blaming others for their problems) - it can be more sustainable than any other sentiment. The hate for immigrants can intensify, and if the Brexit does become a reality - the hate for UK citizens - even innocents, like the ones who enjoy traveling all over Europe (so obviously - they voted to stay). From there on... it's just a small step to violence - which, can only lead to more hate - like a chain reaction. :S

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-updates-remain-twitter-muslim-racist-abuse-a7101491.html

Maybe not that obvious - but the hate for migrants was already present. What's new, and also - what influenced the vote among elders - has more to do with the Muslim immigrants - like the ones who end-up in Germany.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-muslims_uk_576e558ce4b08d2c563937ff

If Scotland brakes from England - there wouldn't be any Great Britain anymore. That would be just Britain. Wouldn't sound right as UK (United Kingdom) either. If it gets to that... they could rename it into "Brexit". That would be the most fitting name. No? ^^
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"If Scotland brakes from England - there wouldn't be any Great Britain anymore. That would be just Britain. Wouldn't sound right as UK (United Kingdom) either. If it gets to that... they could rename it into "Brexit". That would be the most fitting name. No? ^^"



Well....they wanted their country back........and they lost their kingdom 😄!



Or it could become the Kingdom of England instead of the U.K
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I'm more concerned about what I'll do the rest of my summer, so I frankly don't care.

This is exactly how Trump will get into office ^^^^^^^^^
Well it's not my fault that news articles don't do a good job in explaining what the hell the European union is
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Do you know the kind of government the National Socialists had in Germany during WWII?

Think of that exact type of government, only without the threats to kill people if they don't comply.

The EU uses the same model of government the Nazis used, only without the machine guns.

But yes, the EU is the same thing.
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I'm more concerned about what I'll do the rest of my summer, so I frankly don't care.

This is exactly how Trump will get into office ^^^^^^^^^

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Well it's not my fault that news articles don't do a good job in explaining what the hell the European union is
Do you know the kind of government the National Socialists had in Germany during WWII?

Think of that exact type of government, only without the threats to kill people if they don't comply.

The EU uses the same model of government the Nazis used, only without the machine guns.

But yes, the EU is the same thing.
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Posted by neves
Not for everybody, but for some (like those who made a habit in blaming others for their problems) - it can be more sustainable than any other sentiment. The hate for immigrants can intensify, and if the Brexit does become a reality - the hate for UK citizens - even innocents, like the ones who enjoy traveling all over Europe (so obviously - they voted to stay). From there on... it's just a small step to violence - which, can only lead to more hate - like a chain reaction. :S

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-updates-remain-twitter-muslim-racist-abuse-a7101491.html

Maybe not that obvious - but the hate for migrants was already present. What's new, and also - what influenced the vote among elders - has more to do with the Muslim immigrants - like the ones who end-up in Germany.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-muslims_uk_576e558ce4b08d2c563937ff

If Scotland brakes from England - there wouldn't be any Great Britain anymore. That would be just Britain. Wouldn't sound right as UK (United Kingdom) either. If it gets to that... they could rename it into "Brexit". That would be the most fitting name. No? ^^
So why does everyone want this change? Is it for the better, wasn't sure......Why the separation in the first place? Why fix if not broken or has it been and now people can do something about it?
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So why does everyone want this change? Is it for the better, wasn't sure......Why the separation in the first place? Why fix if not broken or has it been and now people can do something about it?
Because the people of the UK finally had enough of 10 billion plus pounds a year being siphoned off of their wallets and put into the EU slush fund of corruption.

Think about this for a second. If your neighbors need money, is it fair for the police to show up at your house and demand that you give them the money so your neighbors can take it?

You idiots are out of your damn minds if you think that kind of stuff is cool.
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So why does everyone want this change? Is it for the better, wasn't sure......Why the separation in the first place? Why fix if not broken or has it been and now people can do something about it?
It's not everyone, here's the full details of the referendum:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028

If you check the votes by age groups you have:

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Where at least 11.4 million are over the age of 65 (17.7% of the population).

http://www.agediscrimination.info/STATISTICS/Pages/CurrentUKpopulation.aspx

Then there's the stats for social classes and level of education:

"According the polls, university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU - while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.Levels of education and class overlap strongly in the UK, and so the Brexit vote also matched up with areas with higher levels of people from the DE social class - meaning people in semi-skilled or unskilled labour, those in casual labour and pensioners.This includes Blaenau Gwent in Wales, which has the highest working class population in Britain - 62 percent of voters here went for Leave."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-the-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/

Based on the google statistics - reflecting the main search queries for 24 June (shortly after the ending of the referendum), this were the main trends:

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So, i guess many english people - didn't really know what they were voting for, while other didn't realize the importance of their vote:



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Short story: maybe you're aware of Trump's anti-muslim propaganda - which was also based on the events from EU - with the Syrian refugees (also known as the EU refuge crisis). Well, the same events and a scarier propaganda - scared many EU citizens and same goes for those from U.K. - especially the old people. Up to this date - the local media was filled with content like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11884051/Foreign-Secretary-refugee-crisis-is-good-for-UK-renegotiation.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-eu-first-country-rule-change-puts-pressure-on-uk-to-take-more-asylum-seekers-a6822096.html

...or worst:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/01/10/anti-migrant-protest-turns-violent-germany

I spent most of last year in U.K. - and the violence and barbaric behaviour that took place in Germany - was the main theme - assimilated to Syrian refuges. Though, on Facebook and YouTube - the blamed was assimilated with their religion - Muslims.





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Germany was up for the highest number of refugees (1.5 mil), but they sure weren't prepared for what followed. And even after things got more stable, the fear was still present - especially since most of the refugees were male.

https://www.rt.com/news/343753-germany-refugees-males-statistics/

Also, racism is still quite strong in U.K. And after this referendum - it just got stronger. Which brings me to the next motive (the first being fear), as in patriotic hate...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075

To some extent - that should be common in U.S. as well.

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Then there's the political propaganda revolving around false promises, as pointed out - in this video:



Same shit Trump is pulling. People who live in poverty or are unsatisfied with their life - so they want a change for better. Obviously, the politicians know that - so they pool those strings - making them believe that they can have a better life - if they trust in them.

Who knows, maybe Trump might be able to convince the people of U.S into raising that big wall - that separates U.S. from the rest of the world. No? ^^



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So why does everyone want this change? Is it for the better, wasn't sure......Why the separation in the first place? Why fix if not broken or has it been and now people can do something about it?
Because the people of the UK finally had enough of 10 billion plus pounds a year being siphoned off of their wallets and put into the EU slush fund of corruption.

Think about this for a second. If your neighbors need money, is it fair for the police to show up at your house and demand that you give them the money so your neighbors can take it?

You idiots are out of your damn minds if you think that kind of stuff is cool.
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actually a lot of western Europe pulls their weight, there are a lot of other countries that have a difficult time (Greece, and Spain ect they all have a difficult time..)
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1.) The middle eastern "men" who are invading Europe are not "refugees" you lying sack of shit. If these runners are refugees, then where are the women? Oh, that's right. They were all abandoned to fight ISIS on their own:





2.) Your degrading comments about the mohammeds "living in poverty" are laughable. You speak as though all of the rabble destroying Europe is ENTITLED to stay there. Fact check for you, jackass: NO ONE is entitled to anything in this world. If the mohammed boys want to come to Europe and trash the place, then that's Europe's problem. Why should the UK taxpayer be financially responsible for paying for that BS?

3.) Trump and the USA are watching the destruction, fires and terrorism in Europe. And guess what? That horseshit over there won't fly over here, and people are ready to stop it before it begins. If that's a problem for you, then fuck you.

PS.. Here is a great illustration of the EU's effect on UK taxpayer funds:

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Lisa,

You need to understand that most people who are arguing for the UK to stay shackled to the EU tend to be absolute fools or totalitarians.

The fools know nothing of economics or international relations, and tend to throw the word "racist" at anyone who disagrees with their ignorance.

The totalitarians are also equally useless, as they spout about how people's right to vote should be taken away from them for the greater glory of their iron-fisted imposition of National Socialism.

Know it or not, these idiots all have more in common with the Nazi Party than a free society.
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Posted by Undine
Hate is not a sustainable sentiment.

A bit like the UK economy after the Brexit!

It hurts the hater most.


Well, inspire hate, get shot and killed, hate subsides.



Hate is sustainable so long as that which inspires the hate is sustainable.

Example, a white man has an extreme disgust for blacks because they took his

job away. A black man has an extreme disgust for Hispanics because they

took his job away. they all have an extreme disgust for Chinese because they

took all their jobs away. The Chinese? They build empty cities and bullet trains.

Why? Because they are among the lowest paid workers.

Now, suppose the white, black and Hispanics migrate to China, assuming

China is tolerant of foreigners and doesn't care who moves into their country

because they are overcrowded with people who look like they come from the

same ancestors. More of them, than of the other races and nationalities, in their

own country, right? Righhht! Over a couple of centuries, they start to interbreed

and the next thing you know, you've got a black asian race.

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China is tolerant of foreigners and doesn't care who moves into their country because they are overcrowded with people who look like they come from the same ancestors.
Are you kidding?? Hahahahaha, China is the most racist country in the world. Try being a black person wandering around China, and get back to me on how well that goes.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

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China is tolerant of foreigners and doesn't care who moves into their country because they are overcrowded with people who look like they come from the same ancestors.
Are you kidding?? Hahahahaha, China is the most racist country in the world. Try being a black person wandering around China, and get back to me on how well that goes.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have mixed feelings.

I see the advantages and disadvantages of both sides.

The only thing I do know is that the economic impact happening right now is fabricated.

Just like when when Obama took office the first time and the markets would drop every time he made a statement (related to the economy or not) the Brexit is being used to manipulate the markets.

We see our retirement accounts losing value. But trust me, there are lots of people making lots of money (or positioning themselves to make a lot of money).

It's certainly a shift in the balance of Europe, but it really is a massive opportunity not a massive set back as it's being made out to be.
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Well this certainly makes things a little more interesting:

"The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

Maybe the Leave vote was the right thing to do after all.....
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Super-states are the devil.

In EU, the rules are made in brussel and local governments are now just there to apply the directives.

Go ask to any citizen of germany, france, italy, spain, etc... what they think of elections now, they'll tell you they might as well throw their ballot in the trash because all their governments will do is comply to the directives of brussels. Left or right is the same.

The left/right political-center parties are just puppet for the lobbies and it has become more obvious than ever. And they can't be held accountable by the people anymore. They just have to say that the decisions have been taken by the wise technocrats and the that the will of central banks and the IMF are an unescapable doom. Doing anythng differently would be naively wrong because of the nebulous way the markets function.

Too nebulous to be explained so you just have to trust what the centrist media are telling you.

The only political options in europe now are social-democrat/ecologist, conservative, or the left/right extremists.

Are you going to vote social-democrat or conservative? it doesn't matter, you can just throw your ballot to the trash because your country will be ruled by transnational elites.

The european union is the greatest tyrany ever invented in history.

We're living interesting times because all this will soon unravel pretty badly.
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Well this certainly makes things a little more interesting:

"The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

Maybe the Leave vote was the right thing to do after all.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

I wouldn't take anything the Express writes too seriously.
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Sure,.

Would you prefer the Polish site instead?
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Posted by seraph
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Well this certainly makes things a little more interesting:

"The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

Maybe the Leave vote was the right thing to do after all.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

I wouldn't take anything the Express writes too seriously.
Sure,.

Would you prefer the Polish site instead?
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http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan% E2% 80% 99-by-France-Germany-report
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The real idea behind the EU was always to create the United States of Europe.

The term United States of Europe was used by Winston Churchill in his speech delivered on 19 September 1946 at the University of Zurich, Switzerland. In this speech given after the end of the Second World War, Churchill concluded that:

We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe

I really don't understand the problem behind that news in the Daily Express.

Winston Churchill: Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (26 October 1951 – 6 April 1955)

Weird think.
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The real idea behind the EU was always to create the United States of Europe.

The term United States of Europe was used by Winston Churchill in his speech delivered on 19 September 1946 at the University of Zurich, Switzerland. In this speech given after the end of the Second World War, Churchill concluded that:

We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe

I really don't understand the problem behind that news in the Daily Express.

Winston Churchill: Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (26 October 1951 – 6 April 1955)

Weird think.
There is a large difference in the structure of the United States and the EU.

There is another thread in this forum containing Brexit:The Movie.

Legislation in the EU comes from the EC, rather than a body that is held accountable via the vote.

And I don't think what Churchill was talking about resembles the EU as it is constituted.
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How do yall feel about this? They put it to a vote and it's official now. Within the next few years the U.K will be leaving the E.U.

Im surprise they didnt leave sooner. They had enough of paying out allthe time.
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When I think about what some said. I think I might be a little happier knowing they left the E.U