Welp, we got a conviction (Page 3)

I wish people would stop calling George Floyd's murder "excessive force."

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I wonder why white people don’t protest death by cop? Why is it only black people?

Because I’ve seen stories of where a white person is killed by a cop and it’s acceptable. No one makes a stink about it. Why is that?

White people, are you okay with death by cop? Do you always believe cops are justified when they kill people, especially white people?

How come y’all accept and look the other way?

Is it because you’ve been conditioned to believe cops?

Maybe white people don't protest as much or at least if they do it does not make main stream media because white lives don't matter.

Only black lives matter, apparently.

Could you imagine the uproar if white people held a large protest because a police officer killed a white person?

Honestly, white people would be vilified.

Would black people or others stand in solidarity with white people or would all we hear about is how worse it is for black people (despite current statistics showing more white are killed based on population percentage etc) and how white people ought not to be making a fuss, and even worse, how white people all have some kind of privileged based solely on the colour of their skin regardless of anything else and other factors.

Could you imagine having a movement for white people today where white people are told to loot and set fire to the area they live in and destroy business regardless of who owns them or to only support white businesses and boycott businesses run by other skin colours?

Could you imagine a black CEO or prominent figure resigning from their position because they think a white person, thus based solely on skin colour, ought to be in the role instead?

It would NEVER happen! It does not fit the narrative. It is far easier to keep telling black people how oppressed they are and how white people have privilege are how they are still the oppressors etc in order to keep the divisive, in-fighting argument going between groups of people so you're all far too busy looking over here at bullshit and not looking over there where the real issues are.

I'm surprised at your surprise on this matter.

Do you care if a cop kills a White person ?

Has the cop killed the person based solely on their skin colour, as in, because they are white?

No, white cop kills white person, because they are high on meth and charging at the white cop with a knife.

Would you care?

Or feel it warranted?

I think the question is being oversimplified but for the benefit of answering and without any other context and without the laws of different countries or jurisdiction etc I would think it could be justified if the police office is concerned for his life and/or the life of others and thus acts in defence. I also think being a police officer, especially ones licenced to carry firearms and who are likely to come into contact with others with weapons, is an incredibly difficult job. Would I care? About which person, the police officer or the meth head?

I’m just wondering if White people justify the killing by cop if the perpetrator is believed to have caused their own death by acting foolish. Or if they believe a bad character is less valuable than a cop’s life. Like the cop is allowed to make a self defence decision, but they still should be able to disarm a knife over another gun without killing.

It seems when a Black person is killed, White people always vilify the unarmed Black person, that gets a kill shot, but they seem to strategize a bit differently when a White person is purposely charging with weapons at a cop.

In either situation I believe a cop is meant to shoot to disarm. Not a kill shot. Leg or arm.

American cops are all trigger happy.

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I don't think it is fair or accurate to say that ALL cops are trigger happy.

I am not in the USA so it is different in my own country. However, I think you're focusing far too much on skin colour and drawing whatever conclusion fits. I think in the USA, skin colour is focused on far too much as a driving factor in everything. I do not think its helpful. Even how American's describe and group themselves such as African-American or Asian-American is divisive. If you're white, you're just American. If you're black, you're automatically African-American even if you have never set foot on the African continent and in a way, it almost seems you're saying they're 'less' American or not fully American than a white American. I'm seeing the negative connotations and I'm sure some people are proud to say they're African-American etc but it is this constant grouping. Why no grouping for white American's? Irish-American or Italian-American or European-American just isn't a thing you hear often. Someone of white Irish decent would say they're American or identify more as Irish. It's more a case of either or. A black Irish decent would still be labelled as African-American. In the UK you're either British (or identify with your country as English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish) or you're not British because you're from somewhere else such as Romania or India or China. The term Indian-British or African-British does not exist because we do not base it on skin colour.

You asked me about white on white but I would have the same view if it were any skin colour in the same scenario. Yes, police ought to disarm especially if it were a knife verses a gun but your example had limited context etc so worst case scenario if a person (of any skin colour etc) was off their head and running towards the police officer (of any colour etc) with a knife, and if that police officer feared for their life or the life of another then yes, they may well be justified in shooting that person. It is too easy to judge when you are not a police officer and when people sit behind their keyboard typing about what they would do or not do. You literally have a split second to assess the situation and make that call. What decision would you make? (Rhetorical). I just don't think it comes down to skin colour. It comes down to the facts of the case.

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All my support goes to black people. I love this community !! 💛

I don't understand why Americans are so mean toward them. They never learn from their history.

"They never learn from their history."

The guilt associated with it is still what divides our country and makes things so black and white AND keeps things from changing. The black/white narrative is old and tired but almost traditional and the core of the country, which will follow us until the end of time. I don't think anything REAL will ever change.

I can see that.

Black people stuck in victim mentality and not knowing how to stop being martyrs

White people stuck in their guilt and not really know how to express it

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I think this is true. Certainly in the USA. Its been the driving factor fir a long time and it is still the main driving factor. I think politics there fuels it massively because it keeps everyone divided. Perhaps they learnt this from the English. To divide and conquer. They make you look over there so you don't look over here.

For me, it all comes back to America’s gun problem. Since all cops carry, it’s easy for them to be trigger happy. Put a layer of inherent bias or blatant racism on top and now you have cops out killing minorities over whites. I hold out no hope that cops will ever be taught proper de-escalation tactics until they are disarmed. Because of America’s gun problem, that will never happen.

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I know ya'll are feeling like you're on top of the world, but the fact of the matter is, the deceased was no choir boy.

Record a mile long, drugs, domestic violence, it isn't like we lost someone that cured cancer, or made people money picking good mutual funds.

So all lives don’t matter

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Or, to quote Animal Farm, I'm sure you remember this one from your English classes in high school? To quote, "some lives matter more than others".

Wheeeeeeee way to twist it up there @Logger! That quote “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” was to show “the more equal” ones were the SUPERIOR ones. It follows that when you have some that are MORE equal, you automatically have those that are LESS equal. BLM is not trying to be superior they are only trying to be equal. And right now, they sure as hell aren’t.

From the Journal of Epidemiology and Health

“In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1% ) but no significant change in deaths for Black Indigenous and People Of Color. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).”

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Wheeeeeeee way to twist it up there @Logger! That quote “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” was to show “the more equal” ones were the SUPERIOR ones. BLM is not trying to be superior they are only trying to be equal. And right now, they sure as hell aren’t.

From the Journal of Epidemiology and Health

“In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1% ) but no significant change in deaths for Black Indigenous and People Of Color. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).”

He just wants to convince himself he matters. His mom took him off the titty too early and he hasn’t coped since.

Talk about Orwellian! And yeah, I read the book in high school and I aced it.

@Geminiflyby.....what I've never understood, after ALL these years, is why, if they're all so unhappy with things in the U.S., don't they just go BACK to their country of origin? Ponder that for a minute. Seems to me they'd be so much more happy if they all just lived among their own ancestors. No more perceived injustice or prejudice because of a diff in skin color, or culture, no more "light SKIN-DID" vs. "dark SKIN-DID", as they all like to say, while butchering the English.

And to think, amidst all of this, they still keep LINING up at the border to get in here!! Guess it isn't so bad after all, and we just hear about all the minority malcontents on the liberal news. A very small group of persecuted people do all the complaining.

Things become a little more problematic when their country of origin is here. And it speaks to a level of desperation we can't begin to comprehend that people are lining up at our borders. They are risking their lives and their children's lives to do it because death is preferable than staying where they are. I mean think about that! I'm not saying open the borders but I'm sure we can figure out how to manage immigration with some control and some humanity. I am a descendent of immigrants who fled Nazi Europe. What would have happened to them?

I understand their country of origin is here, but the minorities that do ALL the complaining look different, act differently, live differently, and aren't interested in assimilating to American culture. Why wouldn't they want to take a chance and go back to the country of their descendants, where at least they would look the same as everyone else? Since they seek reparations for perceived injustices from 156 years ago, and can't let go of the past, then why not just go back to the 4-5th generations of their past ancestors?

It makes no sense to me, so I can only conclude that these people just like to complain, are happy to complain, and only make a big deal about the injustices because they seek financial compensation. It's always about the Benjamin's, bottom line.

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I understand their country of origin is here, but the minorities that do ALL the complaining look different, act differently, live differently, and aren't interested in assimilating to American culture. Why wouldn't they want to take a chance and go back to the country of their descendants, where at least they would look the same as everyone else? Since they seek reparations for perceived injustices from 156 years ago, and can't let go of the past, then why not just go back to the 4-5th generations of their past ancestors?

It makes no sense to me, so I can only conclude that these people just like to complain, are happy to complain, and only make a big deal about the injustices because they seek financial compensation. It's always about the Benjamin's, bottom line.

What exactly is American culture?

These protests come up because you have people who are likely trying to live like all other Americans but are targeted only because they look different.

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I'm sorry dear, but I completely disagree. The problem is, the majority of these people are NOT trying to live like traditional Americans at all. I could go into the specifics of the differences, but I'm certain you know what they are, and are being coy.

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I understand their country of origin is here, but the minorities that do ALL the complaining look different, act differently, live differently, and aren't interested in assimilating to American culture. Why wouldn't they want to take a chance and go back to the country of their descendants, where at least they would look the same as everyone else? Since they seek reparations for perceived injustices from 156 years ago, and can't let go of the past, then why not just go back to the 4-5th generations of their past ancestors?

It makes no sense to me, so I can only conclude that these people just like to complain, are happy to complain, and only make a big deal about the injustices because they seek financial compensation. It's always about the Benjamin's, bottom line.

What exactly is American culture?

These protests come up because you have people who are likely trying to live like all other Americans but are targeted only because they look different.

I'm sorry dear, but I completely disagree. The problem is, the majority of these people are NOT trying to live like traditional Americans at all. I could go into the specifics of the differences, but I'm certain you know what they are, and are being coy.

Well I stated my opinion based on what I understood, which is clearly not what you have in mind.

So what exactly is American culture? What exactly does living like traditional Americans entail?

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So first let me ask, do you live in the U.S.?

I don't even know where to start with this question, assuming it's really an honest one.

So many of the things that this entails are antithetical to the way minorities live, because young groups of society that chase pop-culture have accepted this minority subculture of behavior as being something cool and admirable. Most of it is neither.

Still waiting on what constitutes a traditional American 👁👁