What are your thoughts on the flu shot?

So my son's daycare is making him get a flu shot it is supposedly the law in CT for daycare children. Growing up it was always optional for me and I have never trusted the flu shot. I feel like it is wrong to force a child that young to take experimental vaccines. He has had all of his updated shots but I am always uneasy about the flu shot especially after hearing about neurological effects they have had on people. I didn't even get one when I was pregnant. What are your thoughts. If I could I would home school him but that isn't an option, but I really don't want to give him the flu shot. I don't know maybe I am paranoid, but the below video is burned into my brain.

Posted by Vixen2
Really..that's kind of odd. I don't know CT law, but it is usually just recommended for Healthcare providers, people with weakened immune systems, and the elderly or public workers. I'm not even sure small children are recommended to get it. The insurance company I work for will only cover it for specific medical diagnosis...so I would check with his pediatrician beforehand most def.

Well that is what I thought too. It has always been optional

I refuse to get the flu shot.

They are just guessing at the particular strain anyway.

Not for me.

And my mother works at one of the best research hospitals in the country.

You shouldn't bother unless you're NOT a healthy individual with no health issues. Flu shots are best for the "at risk" populations, aka, small children/babies, and the elderly.

Why it's been shoved on people is beyond me. You can still get the flu with the flu shot because statistically, it's just a vaccine from the most likely strain to hit the general population en masse. What people seem to forget is the other strains that exist out there and you can still get that, even if the chances are slimmer.

I don't bother with it. I see no need to. I haven't had the flu in ages. All the hype seems to be something big pharm shoved down our throats about a decade ago and thanks to the average ignorance of most people, they think they just HAVE to get it.

You don't. I also find it a bit ridiculous that it's become mandatory in some areas. Healthcare, I sorta get, but if you're a healthy adult and work in a hospital setting, chances of you fighting it off without issue is even higher because your immune system is probably already beefed up from being exposed to so much already.

However, there is the "carrier" issue involved, so I get it. Still meh, but it's understandable why healthcare/daycare settings would require it. You could have the flu virus for several days,not be aware, and inadvertently spreading it before you start to show symptoms.

As far as the unproven claims of vaccines being at fault for varying problems, like in the video- stop buying into that bullshit. Just please don't bother. Blame Andrew Wakefield for instilling fear into the fearmongering ignorant who can't take half a second to Google what's really going on. We just keep dumbing down our population and it's going to literally kill us. It's no coincidence that "old" diseases are on the rise thanks to this asshole. If you're going to not bother with a vaccine, have a better reason than "OMG AUTISM AND MYSTERY ILLNESSES ARE CAUSED BY VACCINES!"

Mercury and thimersol haven't been used as preservatives for quite awhile. People need to calm the fuck down.

Posted by SilentSmiles
A happy little bird with a trusting little smile once told me it's a way to get a special hormone into the bloodstream of the young as a carrier to pass destructive genes to future generations. Or it could be a life saving elixer to prevent a destructive illness. You decide.

🙂

Something else I find interesting, even if it is a little tinfoil hat theory, is at around the time that flu vaccines began their rampage, there was something trying to be passed where we were all basically going to be microchipped with rfid tags. It failed miserably, but then lo and behold, flu vaccines were getting shoved down our throats.These chips are small enough to fit into a syringe.

I found the timing rather interesting, tbh. Not saying it's factual truth, but I wouldn't put it past good ol' govt to pull some shit like that. The concept of flu vaccines has been around much longer than the last 10-15 years, yet 10-15 years ago suddenly EVERYONE HAD TO HAVE IT OR YOU WOULD DIIIIIE— Uh, what happened to the previous generations who were fine without it unless absolutely necessary due to health risks?

Don't even get me started on the antibacterial craze...

Posted by Vegetta91

Posted by ladylibra21
So my son's daycare is making him get a flu shot it is supposedly the law in CT for daycare children. Growing up it was always optional for me and I have never trusted the flu shot. I feel like it is wrong to force a child that young to take experimental vaccines. He has had all of his updated shots but I am always uneasy about the flu shot especially after hearing about neurological effects they have had on people. I didn't even get one when I was pregnant. What are your thoughts. If I could I would home school him but that isn't an option, but I really don't want to give him the flu shot. I don't know maybe I am paranoid, but the below video is burned into my brain.

I had to take those when i was small,
I remember something like : you don't get the shoot if your very sick on that day or your health doesn't permit it

click to expand

Anyone who is immuno-compromised shouldn't get it. Vaccines are essentially a weakened version of the virus so your white blood cell "soldiers" can identify it and build up a defense in how to fight off this foreign body entering your system. So when the real deal hits, your immune system is like "I got this, bitch" and fights it off before the bastard has a chance to multiply.

People whose immune system is weakened, don't get that luxury and risk getting even sicker from the vaccine because even though its a weakened virus, it can cause some serious harm to an immune system that isn't working properly.

My mom was exempt from the flu shot the entire time she was on chemo. She couldn't really get any sort of vaccine until she'd been off chemo for awhile. It's a dangerous thing for weakened immune systems.

My son it 3 I just don't see why I have to shove something that is so heads or tails into his veins.

Posted by exxtasyx
Flu shots, like vaccines are a scam. The government forces them on children so they can inject them with unhealthy chemicals that have been proven to cause autism.

FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE.


Look up Andrew Wakefield and stop spreading stupid you ignorant child.

Posted by ladylibra21
My son it 3 I just don't see why I have to shove something that is so heads or tails into his veins.

Because your son is 3 you should contemplate it. His immune system is still getting stronger.

However, it being flu vaccine, I don't blame you. All the childhood illness vaccines are really important. They eradicated all these terrible diseases. Don't hesitate on those. But as far as flu? Meh. I can see the benefits but it really isn't all that necessary if your kid is healthy. I understand your hesitance and would be a little pissed they're forcing you to do so over a flu vaccine.

MMR? Yeah. Polio? Yeah.

...FLU? :/

Posted by exxtasyx

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by exxtasyx
Flu shots, like vaccines are a scam. The government forces them on children so they can inject them with unhealthy chemicals that have been proven to cause autism.

FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE.


Look up Andrew Wakefield and stop spreading stupid you ignorant child.

False my ass. Why would I look up Andrew Wakefield? Because there's a 22.747547% chance he's right? Mainstream doctors and the mainstream media is lying to you and you're swallowing up all the BS like a sheep.

click to expand

Go look up Andrew Wakefield. Your response even further proves you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Hell no.

I'm pretty sure the flu shot gave me autism. I didn't show signs until afterward.

Posted by Arielle83

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by exxtasyx
Flu shots, like vaccines are a scam. The government forces them on children so they can inject them with unhealthy chemicals that have been proven to cause autism.

FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE.


Look up Andrew Wakefield and stop spreading stupid you ignorant child.

Wasn't that something Jenny McCarthy preached?

click to expand

Her stupid ass is why people are freaking out over the necessary vaccines.

Some asshat in the UK skewed a ton o studies to give him the numbers he wanted for the sake of some big pharma company that was backing him.

He was caught and proven wrong like whoa and there was a lot of legal bs going on because of his lame ass. But since a good portion of people are fucking morons and cannot properly research to save their lives, much like McCarthy, they think his claims are still legit. Stupid Hollywood bimbo came along and started touting that vaccines were why her kid came out all weird. These batshit crazy women are desperately seeking answers for why their kids are weird and this is what they fixate on because it's the only answer that makes sense to them, and comforts them, even though they've proven over and over that autism is not caused by vaccines.

Also, if I remember correctly, the chick in the OP video ended up being a hoax as well. Something came up about her after that story broke and it debunked the entire thing.

But people tout all this crazy circus bullshit as fact and then call the scientific evidence bullshit and "mainstream media." It's scary when you have moron 22 year olds proclaiming that factual, scientific information is false and hyped up ignorance perpetuated by the media is the real deal.

MEANWHILE we have epidemics popping up like it's 1940 because people believe this garbage some idiot in Hollywood spread as gospel truth.

Seems like if they were after to brand us via flu shots they should have thrown something against paranoia into the mix aswell, as it seems to be something of a religion these days

I work in healthcare. January and February are peak seasons for the flu. It's not too late to get a flu shot. Someone mentioned that so I wanted to clarify.

OP, it's your decision as a parent and I am assuming you've weighed the pros and cons. You're the only one to make this decision for your child.

All the negatives have already been discussed on this thread, so I'll throw out something in favor of getting the shot.

If you guys don't get vaccinated and one of you gets the flu, are you at a place where you can take off from work for two straight weeks? I say two weeks because it takes a week for the illness to work through it's process and if one of you get it, you're both going to get it, so one week for each of you.

Also, young children have a higher risk of serious consequences from the flu illness. There was a time that influenza was the leading cause of death for children. Hopefully, there are treatments now, but there are still risks for hospitalization and death.

And if your child gets the flu and has to be hospitalized, do you have good insurance? Even with good insurance, can you afford the patient portion of the hospital bill?

Does your child have asthma, diabetes, sickle cell disease, morbid obesity, heart disease or a neurological disorder? People with those illnesses are at a higher risk of serious manifestations from the flu.

And everyone around you - friends, family, neighbors, the old lady at the store, etc are all at risk of catching it if one of you gets it as well. Do any of these people refuse the vaccination? Do any of these people have the above mentioned medical risk factors?

I only bring all this up to provide balance to the thread.

Of course, you're the one to decide because there are risks of the vaccine and there are risks without the vaccine.

And for what it's worth, I get the shot every year. My kids have always gotten the shot. No negative effects.

Posted by feby
My sister did also tell me that that study was a hoax, but why have so many people come forward after their child was vaccinated and said the vaccine contributed to the level of autism?

Maybe because people want to blame something? And the vaccine is the easy target? Chances are the children were going to develop autism regardless of whether they got the vaccine.

Posted by feby
The vaccine debate is still going strong. My sister is a researcher in the UK at one of the universities and has extensively studied vaccinations. She firmly believes that there is no link between vaccinations and autism.

For those people who believe there is a link, what's the harm in just delaying the vaccinations?

I knew a woman who swore that the MMR vaccine was the reason her sons became full blown autistic. She told me that she noticed a steady decline in both of their gained skills after the vaccination. Now she's on a crusade of sorts it seems.

Can your sister study me? I'm an interesting case.

Posted by feby

Posted by truecap

Posted by feby
My sister did also tell me that that study was a hoax, but why have so many people come forward after their child was vaccinated and said the vaccine contributed to the level of autism?

Maybe because people want to blame something? And the vaccine is the easy target? Chances are the children were going to develop autism regardless of whether they got the vaccine.

Perhaps. It's very personal for me so I may not get too involved here but I have a highly functioning autistic son. I did not vaccinate him with the MMR vaccination. And I wonder what would have happened if I did?! Would he have degraded further into his condition? It wasn't a chance I was willing to take.
I know people are very passionate about this topic and I harness my emotion when it comes to it because I felt like I made the safest choice for my son at that time. I couldn't deal in what ifs and possiblys. There was too much doubt surrounding the vaccination at that time (7 years ago).

click to expand

It's quite possible. You made a good decision for him.

Posted by feby

Posted by truecap

Posted by feby
My sister did also tell me that that study was a hoax, but why have so many people come forward after their child was vaccinated and said the vaccine contributed to the level of autism?

Maybe because people want to blame something? And the vaccine is the easy target? Chances are the children were going to develop autism regardless of whether they got the vaccine.

Perhaps. It's very personal for me so I may not get too involved here but I have a highly functioning autistic son. I did not vaccinate him with the MMR vaccination. And I wonder what would have happened if I did?! Would he have degraded further into his condition? It wasn't a chance I was willing to take.
I know people are very passionate about this topic and I harness my emotion when it comes to it because I felt like I made the safest choice for my son at that time. I couldn't deal in what ifs and possiblys. There was too much doubt surrounding the vaccination at that time (7 years ago).

click to expand

It's quite possible. You made a good decision for him.

Posted by GetMisted

Posted by truecap
I work in healthcare. January and February are peak seasons for the flu. It's not too late to get a flu shot. Someone mentioned that so I wanted to clarify.

It takes 2-3 weeks for the vaccine to become effective. With only 2 weeks left in January, getting the vaccine now seems moot. That's just my opinion. I'm also in healthcare and my boss is the Infection Control nurse for our hospital.

click to expand

The recommended time to get the vaccine is in November, however February is still peak season. I guess, if one has gone this far without getting the illness, then another month probably isn't a big risk.

Posted by truecap

Posted by feby
My sister did also tell me that that study was a hoax, but why have so many people come forward after their child was vaccinated and said the vaccine contributed to the level of autism?

Maybe because people want to blame something? And the vaccine is the easy target? Chances are the children were going to develop autism regardless of whether they got the vaccine.

click to expand

That's exactly what it is. They want answers for something we're still figuring out and because of bimbo in Hollywood, everyone is pointing fingers at a vaccine because it's an easy scapegoat. The raging ignorant are the ones touting how terrible vaccines are.

Autism, just like all the other "trendy" behavioral disorders in each generation (ADD, ADHD etc), is just something one is born with. Blaming it on an external cause is just asinine and tells you these morons aren't thinking clearly at all. Too much emotion, too little logic.

Recently, I believe I saw studies that found that, *gasp* it occurs during development in the womb. What a shocker.

All it is is unfounded fearmongering bullshit and the kids are the ones ultimately suffering long term. God forbid they catch one of those terrible diseases and die from it. BUT HAY, THEY DIDN'T GET AUTISM!! lolz *eyeroll*

Posted by truecap
I work in healthcare. January and February are peak seasons for the flu. It's not too late to get a flu shot. Someone mentioned that so I wanted to clarify.

OP, it's your decision as a parent and I am assuming you've weighed the pros and cons. You're the only one to make this decision for your child.

All the negatives have already been discussed on this thread, so I'll throw out something in favor of getting the shot.

If you guys don't get vaccinated and one of you gets the flu, are you at a place where you can take off from work for two straight weeks? I say two weeks because it takes a week for the illness to work through it's process and if one of you get it, you're both going to get it, so one week for each of you.

Also, young children have a higher risk of serious consequences from the flu illness. There was a time that influenza was the leading cause of death for children. Hopefully, there are treatments now, but there are still risks for hospitalization and death.

And if your child gets the flu and has to be hospitalized, do you have good insurance? Even with good insurance, can you afford the patient portion of the hospital bill?

Does your child have asthma, diabetes, sickle cell disease, morbid obesity, heart disease or a neurological disorder? People with those illnesses are at a higher risk of serious manifestations from the flu.

And everyone around you - friends, family, neighbors, the old lady at the store, etc are all at risk of catching it if one of you gets it as well. Do any of these people refuse the vaccination? Do any of these people have the above mentioned medical risk factors?

I only bring all this up to provide balance to the thread.

Of course, you're the one to decide because there are risks of the vaccine and there are risks without the vaccine.

Like I said, "at risk populations."

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by truecap

Posted by feby
My sister did also tell me that that study was a hoax, but why have so many people come forward after their child was vaccinated and said the vaccine contributed to the level of autism?

Maybe because people want to blame something? And the vaccine is the easy target? Chances are the children were going to develop autism regardless of whether they got the vaccine.

That's exactly what it is. They want answers for something we're still figuring out and because of bimbo in Hollywood, everyone is pointing fingers at a vaccine because it's an easy scapegoat. The raging ignorant are the ones touting how terrible vaccines are.

Autism, just like all the other "trendy" behavioral disorders in each generation (ADD, ADHD etc), is just something one is born with. Blaming it on an external cause is just asinine and tells you these morons aren't thinking clearly at all. Too much emotion, too little logic.

Recently, I believe I saw studies that found that, *gasp* it occurs during development in the womb. What a shocker.

All it is is unfounded fearmongering bullshit and the kids are the ones ultimately suffering long term. God forbid they catch one of those terrible diseases and die from it. BUT HAY, THEY DIDN'T GET AUTISM!! lolz *eyeroll*

click to expand

You are so dreamy

Posted by PotHeadVirgo25

Posted by starlover
No way

Just keep your immune system strong....

Problem solved.

In theory, yes. But not really. The immune system isn't magically stronger because you popped some miracle weed touted as natural medicine. Sure, some may "boost" the immune system, but it's much more complicated than that, hence the introduction of vaccines for these serious diseases that were killing and crippling like whoa.

Without vaccines, the immune system be like "oh shit what the hell is that? We can't fight it. Send reinforcements!" By the time reinforcements show up, the disease in question have progressed too much.
With vaccines, the immune system be like "Oh hay, I remember this asshole. We've seen this before. Send in special forces, they'll take this shit out asap." Voila, disease is eradicated before it has a chance to do any real damage.

You can send sustenance to the soldiers via vitamins and shit, but it doesn't train them how to handle it.

Posted by Reincarnation
Make sure it has no thimerosal.

click to expand

They don't use this in vaccines anymore, fortunately.

What's the big deal it's just the flu, I hardly ever get it but it's not going to kill me.

I'd choose my shots wisely

Posted by DonnaElvira77
I got it twice ...two years in a row as an adult ..both times I got flu a few weeks after :-/

You got strain B! haha

Personally, it's why I don't bother. My immune system is pretty good, but I always get the random fuck thing that nobody else is getting. Everyone is sick with cold A in the work place. I won't catch it. But man, cold B comes around, the one few people got, and I get it and it lingers for 2 weeks haha.

Posted by gengbenghiskhan
I could def understand making something like the measles vaccine mandatory, bc the benefits are virtually guaranteed. but for the flu shot, it's pointless, because it protects against only 1 strain, usually an outdated one.

click to expand

+1

I'm really not a fan of the mandatory flu vaccines. I understand healthcare settings because you could have immunocompromised patients, but even then I wonder why it'd be worth it? Sure you're not sick or showing symptoms, but if you're carrying a virus that's attempting some shit, wouldn't that be semi risky as well? I'm not 100% sure on this bit, but I thought I'd read/heard somewhere something like this being a possibility. Whenever someone has something, you're contagious for the first 48 hours. Mostly because that's when it's still all crazy and your immune system hasn't gotten a hold of it yet. I also know that you can be a carrier without realizing it because you've yet to show symptoms (symptoms show up in that period where your immune system is beginning its war on the intruder). So yeah, YOU'RE vaccinated from getting sick, but not completely vaccinated against being a carrier, no? The risk for patients is still there, despite the vaccine.

Of course, this is where the staff wears gloves, uses massive amounts of hand washing and sanitizer, as well as appropriately coughing into their elbow, etc.. *shrugs*

I think it's just a bit extreme to make flu vaccines mandatory when they're solely based on stats because there are so many strains. Like you said with the childhood illnesses, they target the only known one, so they have a higher efficacy. Flu, not so much.

Nope...don't do it...don't trust it...there are ways to protect your immune system without them continuously injecting you with the illness they're claiming to protect you from.

Posted by happyface1
Nope...don't do it...don't trust it...there are ways to protect your immune system without them continuously injecting you with the illness they're claiming to protect you from.

This person also doesn't understand science. :/

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by happyface1
Nope...don't do it...don't trust it...there are ways to protect your immune system without them continuously injecting you with the illness they're claiming to protect you from.

This person also doesn't understand science. :/

click to expand

I really don't care what you think I understand. I've done my research and I'm speaking from my personal experience...really don't give a damn about your opinion of my understanding.

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by PotHeadVirgo25

Posted by starlover
No way

Just keep your immune system strong....

Problem solved.

In theory, yes. But not really. The immune system isn't magically stronger because you popped some miracle weed touted as natural medicine. Sure, some may "boost" the immune system, but it's much more complicated than that, hence the introduction of vaccines for these serious diseases that were killing and crippling like whoa.

Without vaccines, the immune system be like "oh shit what the hell is that? We can't fight it. Send reinforcements!" By the time reinforcements show up, the disease in question have progressed too much.
With vaccines, the immune system be like "Oh hay, I remember this asshole. We've seen this before. Send in special forces, they'll take this shit out asap." Voila, disease is eradicated before it has a chance to do any real damage.

You can send sustenance to the soldiers via vitamins and shit, but it doesn't train them how to handle it.

Posted by Reincarnation
Make sure it has no thimerosal.

They don't use this in vaccines anymore, fortunately.

click to expand

I'm pretty sure green tea and other herbal oxidants have white blood cells that attack the viruses. It boosts your immune system by entering your red blood cells and getting released when you feel tired.

@OP- It is mandatory at my work, if not you have to wear a mask in front of everyone. Lol. I never had to and I've been sick maybe once a year or two..I had a choice of the shot or nasal spray which I took.

Now that I had to get the vaccine, I have alot of sick time hours and can't use I am sick excuses. Haha. Mf.

Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428
@OP- It is mandatory at my work, if not you have to wear a mask in front of everyone. Lol. I never had to and I've been sick maybe once a year or two..I had a choice of the shot or nasal spray which I took.

Let's hope your kids don't have autism. I hear it can spread to your ovaries/sperm.

Posted by happyface1

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by happyface1
Nope...don't do it...don't trust it...there are ways to protect your immune system without them continuously injecting you with the illness they're claiming to protect you from.

This person also doesn't understand science. :/

I really don't care what you think I understand. I've done my research and I'm speaking from my personal experience...really don't give a damn about your opinion of my understanding.

Your tinfoil hat is hanging in the lobby.

If you're speaking solely of flu vaccinations, I agree. But if you're talking about vaccines overall, lulz.

Posted by bawlikestogomoo

I'm pretty sure green tea and other herbal oxidants have white blood cells that attack the viruses. It boosts your immune system by entering your red blood cells and getting released when you feel tired.

click to expand

lolwut

White blood cells are produced by your bone marrow. They cannot come from herbal supplements or green tea.

When the immune system attacks, there are proteins, aka antigens, the virus has. If the immune system recognizes the antigen, it produces the correct signal/antibody to bring in the troops and take out the bad guy. However, if it's a newb where the white blood cells do not recognize its antigen, it has to figure it out and will struggle a bit while it does- this is why you have symptoms.

The only thing supplements will do is the equivalent of like giving Popeye spinach. It does nothing to the actual immune response. So you can have a kick ass immune system and get sick still because hey, your body has never seen that virus before. It doesn't hurt to take vitamins and supplements that'll help out your immune system, though. The troops are at war. Send them a care package of vitamin E and C, and so on.

Here, this has videos and pictures

http://www.abpischools.org.uk/page/modules/infectiousdiseases_immunity/immunity2.cfm?coSiteNavigation_allTopic=1

Eh when I was younger I wouldn't get flu shots and would get either the flu and/or terrible bronchitis every winter. But then I started getting the shots and it stopped? Or maybe it was some booster shot, I have no clue.

Then around high school I stopped getting flu shots and nothing happened until this past December. I got the flu during finals week. It wasn't that bad. Just a gallon of snot chillin in my nasals. I'd take that over bronchitis ANY DAY. I recently learned Airborne works pretty well for keeping yourself protected.

Posted by SassyKiwi
Eh when I was younger I wouldn't get flu shots and would get either the flu and/or terrible bronchitis every winter. But then I started getting the shots and it stopped? Or maybe it was some booster shot, I have no clue.

Then around high school I stopped getting flu shots and nothing happened until this past December. I got the flu during finals week. It wasn't that bad. Just a gallon of snot chillin in my nasals. I'd take that over bronchitis ANY DAY. I recently learned Airborne works pretty well for keeping yourself protected.

Airborne was under a lot of fire when it first came out because their suggested dosage was toxic and could land you in the hospital. The people developing it really weren't qualified to suggest dosages, let alone promote it the way they did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_(dietary_supplement)

It's been readjusted since then. But it's more or less all those vitamins that help the immune system out.