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Sure, that applies to some, but not all will come out ahead.
I'm just providing the thought process and concern that a lot of people have about it. I'm still undecided on the issue and have a lot of questions.
I'm leery of anything the government provides for "free". It's a way to control and that's not always a good thing. Pass this, then they can pass that, then they can pass that. Next thing you know if you want a degree, you have to get the one they tell you to get. Need an knee replacement? Nah, we [govt] don't think you really need one. Your pain isn't that bad... That's a fear a lot of people have.
Obamacare, for example, was supposed to be better for everyone, however most people are paying out the nose for it. This was supposed to be favorable for everyone, but it's not. The misgivings that a lot of people had before it was enacted actually became true.
I'm just providing the thought process and concern that a lot of people have about it. I'm still undecided on the issue and have a lot of questions.
I'm leery of anything the government provides for "free". It's a way to control and that's not always a good thing. Pass this, then they can pass that, then they can pass that. Next thing you know if you want a degree, you have to get the one they tell you to get. Need an knee replacement? Nah, we [govt] don't think you really need one. Your pain isn't that bad... That's a fear a lot of people have.
Obamacare, for example, was supposed to be better for everyone, however most people are paying out the nose for it. This was supposed to be favorable for everyone, but it's not. The misgivings that a lot of people had before it was enacted actually became true.
Posted by rockyroadicecreamYeahhhh thats my least favorite argument.Posted by truecapThis is the fucking stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
People with college degrees are already flooding the job market and it's hard for them to find a job. What happens with everyone and their dog has a college degree?
Who's going to be willing to flip burgers or mop floors or work agriculture or cut hair?
You can't be serious. I like you chica, but this is fucking IGNORANT right here.click to expand
High school students can flip all the burgers their heart desires. Most of them already do. But besides that its stupid to say HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE AN EDUCATION
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Posted by rockyroadicecreamIt's reality. How many college degreed people having a hard time finding jobs? I know a lot that are stuck in entry level or forced to accept minimum wage jobs. They are over educated for the jobs they're actually doing. I'm not against people getting an education by no means. The reality of it is evident.Posted by truecapThis is the fucking stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
People with college degrees are already flooding the job market and it's hard for them to find a job. What happens with everyone and their dog has a college degree?
Who's going to be willing to flip burgers or mop floors or work agriculture or cut hair?
You can't be serious. I like you chica, but this is fucking IGNORANT right here.click to expand
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/underemployed-overeducated_n_2568203.html
Posted by AfternoonDelights22Bernie's a much better choice than Hillary in my opinion.
All these arguments on why Bernie may not be a good idea or may fail, but nobody other than Rabbit has named other candidates worth mentioning. Mostly because all the other "viable" candidates are abominable and I can only hope the youth continues to see through Hillary Clintons flip floppin new story every week ass.
Posted by AfternoonDelights22I never said that. I was just asking about the flooded job market. Most people with degrees are not willing to take a job they feel is beneath them educationally. I would find it hard to, why shouldn't anyone else?Posted by rockyroadicecreamYeahhhh thats my least favorite argument.Posted by truecapThis is the fucking stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
People with college degrees are already flooding the job market and it's hard for them to find a job. What happens with everyone and their dog has a college degree?
Who's going to be willing to flip burgers or mop floors or work agriculture or cut hair?
You can't be serious. I like you chica, but this is fucking IGNORANT right here.
High school students can flip all the burgers their heart desires. Most of them already do. But besides that its stupid to say HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE AN EDUCATION
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Posted by truecapShe is def my least fave of them all. Mostly cuz when I think of her I dont really know what she wants to do. Mostly because she doesnt even know what she really wants to do.Posted by AfternoonDelights22Bernie's a much better choice than Hillary in my opinion.
All these arguments on why Bernie may not be a good idea or may fail, but nobody other than Rabbit has named other candidates worth mentioning. Mostly because all the other "viable" candidates are abominable and I can only hope the youth continues to see through Hillary Clintons flip floppin new story every week ass.
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Posted by DonnaElvira77Lmao!!!
It's his big fucking dick
Posted by truecapYes but that doesnt mean others should have to BOTH keep the shit job and no education. They could still at least take a shot at it. Also, there are fields which are taking plenty of people into it. People should choose their degree wisely if they then want to say certain jobs are beneath them.Posted by AfternoonDelights22I never said that. I was just asking about the flooded job market. Most people with degrees are not willing to take a job they feel is beneath them educationally. I would find it hard to, why shouldn't anyone else?Posted by rockyroadicecreamYeahhhh thats my least favorite argument.Posted by truecapThis is the fucking stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
People with college degrees are already flooding the job market and it's hard for them to find a job. What happens with everyone and their dog has a college degree?
Who's going to be willing to flip burgers or mop floors or work agriculture or cut hair?
You can't be serious. I like you chica, but this is fucking IGNORANT right here.
High school students can flip all the burgers their heart desires. Most of them already do. But besides that its stupid to say HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE AN EDUCATION
eyeroll
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Here's another point to consider....it's already hard to get into the best colleges because more and more students are applying, the entrance standards are getting tougher. Like UT only accepts students that were in the top 8% of their graduating class.
So when more students want to attend, will the colleges make it even more difficult to get in? They only have room for so many presently? Will they be able to afford to expand?
I think @Damnata said in Romania they had to pass a test to get into college. I'm curious about how strenuous the test is and the percent that pass. What are the qualifications?
On the flip side, then the best and brightest will be able to attend due to affordability, which would be a good thing. An excellent thing. This would definitely benefit society.
So when more students want to attend, will the colleges make it even more difficult to get in? They only have room for so many presently? Will they be able to afford to expand?
I think @Damnata said in Romania they had to pass a test to get into college. I'm curious about how strenuous the test is and the percent that pass. What are the qualifications?
On the flip side, then the best and brightest will be able to attend due to affordability, which would be a good thing. An excellent thing. This would definitely benefit society.
Posted by AfternoonDelights22I agree with you there.Posted by truecapYes but that doesnt mean others should have to BOTH keep the shit job and no education. They could still at least take a shot at it. Also, there are fields which are taking plenty of people into it. People should choose their degree wisely if they then want to say certain jobs are beneath them.Posted by AfternoonDelights22I never said that. I was just asking about the flooded job market. Most people with degrees are not willing to take a job they feel is beneath them educationally. I would find it hard to, why shouldn't anyone else?Posted by rockyroadicecreamYeahhhh thats my least favorite argument.Posted by truecapThis is the fucking stupidest thing I've heard in my life.
People with college degrees are already flooding the job market and it's hard for them to find a job. What happens with everyone and their dog has a college degree?
Who's going to be willing to flip burgers or mop floors or work agriculture or cut hair?
You can't be serious. I like you chica, but this is fucking IGNORANT right here.
High school students can flip all the burgers their heart desires. Most of them already do. But besides that its stupid to say HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE AN EDUCATION
eyeroll
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Posted by truecapOh and will attending a private school give you the upper hand - which I'm sure private schools won't be federally funded. Will there be a difference between graduates because of where they got their degree? There already is a difference now, but will it be more noticeable?
Here's another point to consider....it's already hard to get into the best colleges because more and more students are applying, the entrance standards are getting tougher. Like UT only accepts students that were in the top 8% of their graduating class.
So when more students want to attend, will the colleges make it even more difficult to get in? They only have room for so many presently? Will they be able to afford to expand?
I think @Damnata said in Romania they had to pass a test to get into college. I'm curious about how strenuous the test is and the percent that pass. What are the qualifications?
On the flip side, then the best and brightest will be able to attend due to affordability, which would be a good thing. An excellent thing. This would definitely benefit society.
Just a thought.... Harvard? Notre Dame? Baylor? - all private schools vs OU? Alabama? Tarleton? - all public schools
Now this may actually be a stupid thought, but it's worth thinking about.
Posted by rockyroadicecreamLove the lounge act, but it DOESN'T MATTER.Posted by MontgomeryOh sweetie, you OBVIOUSLY didn't read the links.Posted by rockyroadicecreamPBS is absolutely, without a doubt, The 'feminazi' source-- it's governmentPosted by SuperMercurialOh sweetcheeks you need to CALM the fuck down. Nobody is telling you your life is "wrong." For someone who went to college, your comprehension skills are lacking quite severely.Posted by rockyroadicecreamVery false. Thats misinfornation spread by the feminazis.Posted by SuperMercurialActually, they do, dear. Those fields have some serious under representation of females in these fields. And you CAN get grants, but they just won't be as much. I had one year that I had to report my mom's income, after that, I didn't have to and I got so much more money. You also have to keep a FT status if you want all of the aid you qualify for. Pell grant gets cut considerably if you fall to part time.
You can't get a grant if your parents make a certain amount or above. Are you a freshman? A lot of people can get a $ 5000 presidential scholarship their first year if they did well in high school. They don't desperately need females lol. That's ridiculous.
Ive received two summer grants before, they were for less than $ 200, but you submit a different form for summer tuition. I've contacted someone from fafsa asking them why I didnt receive any for regular semesters, and that is what they told me that I'm ineligible. Please dont tell me I'm wrong when this is my life. Things are done electronically now. You cant receive anything before completing the fafsa.
Also, for your reading pleasure:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/truth-women-stem-careers/
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/21/women-still-underrepresented-in-stem-fields
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp/women
Note the lack of "feminazi" sources. Funny how that works...
(taxpayer) funded media.
Whitehouse.gov goes without saying... look whose in power.
lol... please.
"lol please" somewhere else. kthx.click to expand
lol
Posted by GetMistedYeah I know tho I wish Gary Johnson had gotten 5% of the vote in 2012. Came close.Posted by AfternoonDelights22The other candidates that Rabbit listed have no chance unless they run as a Republican or Democrat.. Like Sanders did. In a two party system, it's the only way to get national coverage.
All these arguments on why Bernie may not be a good idea or may fail, but nobody other than Rabbit has named other candidates worth mentioning. Mostly because all the other "viable" candidates are abominable and I can only hope the youth continues to see through Hillary Clintons flip floppin new story every week ass.click to expand
Posted by truecapI'll have to start with our last year of highschool to explain the process (if i am missing something or i am not clear enough, feel free to ask).
I think @Damnata said in Romania they had to pass a test to get into college. I'm curious about how strenuous the test is and the percent that pass. What are the qualifications?
On the flip side, then the best and brightest will be able to attend due to affordability, which would be a good thing. An excellent thing. This would definitely benefit society.
At the end of highschool all of us sit a Baccalaureate exam. The Bacalaureat comprises 2 or 3 oral examinations and 4 or 5 written examinations, usually spanning on the course of one and a half weeks in late June and September. It is a highly centralized, national exam.
The examinations depend on the profile you studied in high school. I was social sciences so I had : Romanian language and literature (oral exam), French (oral exam), Romanian language and literature (written exam), English (written exam), History (written exam), Economy (written exam). Each exam (Proba) is marked from 1 to 10 with 10 being the best, using two decimals for written exams (e.g. 9.44 or 9.14 is a valid mark) and an integer for an oral exam. The total mark for the Bacalaureat is the arithmetic mean average of the six or eight marks obtained (0.01 precision). To pass, a student must obtain an average score of at least 6.00 and at least 5.00 at each of the individual exams. In case of failure (respins), the student is allowed to retake only the exams he failed, until he manages to graduate but no more than 5 times. A September session is held especially for those failing in the June/July session or for those unable to attend the exam in the summer. In case a student is not content with the mark received, one may contest it in 24 hours after finding his or her score. The Baccalaureate is a requirement when enrolling in a university, because, technically, without passing it, the student is not a high school graduate.
Then we have one month to prepare for University. There's a number of universities but we all have our sights on the big three. There are also private universities but these do not have a good reputation and they're basically the last, last resort. Each university has its own admission process.
For example, the University of Bucharest has 19 faculties, out of which some will have an exam, others will have an admission process with percentages of the Baccalaureate grade and the average of highschool grades over all or in some subjects. To study law here, you have a four hour exam of grammar and economy. 100 questions, each graded with 1 point. When I went here in 207, there were 3000+ folks fighting for 300 spots (200 free, 100 paid). For the 100 paid, the admission fee for an year was 1000 euros.
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At the end of each year, there would be another table of grades through the year and it would be restructered. For example, you were a good enough student to get in the first 200 spots but your grades were low during the year, you might find yourself on the 100 paid spots for next year. Same for the opposite, you didn't perform well in the exam but studied hard the first year, you get a free spot for the next year.
There are a number of scholarships for foreign students, I think the most diverse is Medicine, where we have people across the globe. The cost of dorms/renting apartments is small, as are overall costs so I understand why they choose to come here and study.
It's very very hard to not get a free spot. You might not get one in the University of your choice, but that's because you either didn't study during high school or didn't study for the exam. From my high school class, half of us opted for universities with exams and got in, half went for the universities with admission processes concerning the baccalaureate grade and highschool grades. We all got in. You might not get in on a free spot at a University of your choosing if you haven't studied, but you're not getting left outside. There are universities where they have 300 places and only 150 get occupied because the rest didn't make the minimum entrance grade. In that case there's another round of exams in September, where you can try again, along with the people who failed the baccalaureate in June. If, however, you are lazy and want to study law and can't get on the paid spots in law at the university, you can go to a private one. Fees are higher (1500 euros an year compared to 1000 euros an year - in 2007) but they will accept everyone.
At the end of each year, there would be another table of grades through the year and it would be restructered. For example, you were a good enough student to get in the first 200 spots but your grades were low during the year, you might find yourself on the 100 paid spots for next year. Same for the opposite, you didn't perform well in the exam but studied hard the first year, you get a free spot for the next year.
There are a number of scholarships for foreign students, I think the most diverse is Medicine, where we have people across the globe. The cost of dorms/renting apartments is small, as are overall costs so I understand why they choose to come here and study.
It's very very hard to not get a free spot. You might not get one in the University of your choice, but that's because you either didn't study during high school or didn't study for the exam. From my high school class, half of us opted for universities with exams and got in, half went for the universities with admission processes concerning the baccalaureate grade and highschool grades. We all got in. You might not get in on a free spot at a University of your choosing if you haven't studied, but you're not getting left outside. There are universities where they have 300 places and only 150 get occupied because the rest didn't make the minimum entrance grade. In that case there's another round of exams in September, where you can try again, along with the people who failed the baccalaureate in June. If, however, you are lazy and want to study law and can't get on the paid spots in law at the university, you can go to a private one. Fees are higher (1500 euros an year compared to 1000 euros an year - in 2007) but they will accept everyone.
Posted by DamnataPosted by truecapI'll have to start with our last year of highschool to explain the process (if i am missing something or i am not clear enough, feel free to ask).
I think @Damnata said in Romania they had to pass a test to get into college. I'm curious about how strenuous the test is and the percent that pass. What are the qualifications?
On the flip side, then the best and brightest will be able to attend due to affordability, which would be a good thing. An excellent thing. This would definitely benefit society.click to expand
At the end of highschool all of us sit a Baccalaureate exam. The Bacalaureat comprises 2 or 3 oral examinations and 4 or 5 written examinations, usually spanning on the course of one and a half weeks in late June and September. It is a highly centralized, national exam.
The examinations depend on the profile you studied in high school. I was social sciences so I had : Romanian language and literature (oral exam), French (oral exam), Romanian language and literature (written exam), English (written exam), History (written exam), Economy (written exam). Each exam (Proba) is marked from 1 to 10 with 10 being the best, using two decimals for written exams (e.g. 9.44 or 9.14 is a valid mark) and an integer for an oral exam. The total mark for the Bacalaureat is the arithmetic mean average of the six or eight marks obtained (0.01 precision). To pass, a student must obtain an average score of at least 6.00 and at least 5.00 at each of the individual exams. In case of failure (respins), the student is allowed to retake only the exams he failed, until he manages to graduate but no more than 5 times. A September session is held especially for those failing in the June/July session or for those unable to attend the exam in the summer. In case a student is not content with the mark received, one may contest it in 24 hours after finding his or her score. The Baccalaureate is a requirement when enrolling in a university, because, technically, without passing it, the student is not a high school graduate.
Then we have one month to prepare for University. There's a number of universities but we all have our sights on the big three. There are also private universities but these do not have a good reputation and they're basically the last, last resort. Each university has its own admission process.
For example, the University of Bucharest has 19 faculties, out of which some will have an exam, others will have an admission process with percentages of the Baccalaureate grade and the average of highschool grades over all or in some subjects. To study law here, you have a four hour exam of grammar and economy. 100 questions, each graded with 1 point. When I went here in 207, there were 3000+
@Damnata
Pretty strenuous! Thanks for taking the time to explain. It makes sense and it seems like it's a good system.
So, the university has it's own admission process, so the tougher it is to get in, the more prestigious the degree I presume? I think the kids here would faint if they had to take oral as well as written tests to graduate - and a whole week and a half! 🙂
Do you get to choose your high school profile? How does that work? is it based on interest? Or career intentions? Or university intentions?
Can I ask this as well? How old are you when you enroll in university?
I ask, because it seems like I had someone from Germany tell me they were 16 when they went to university. The way they described it, it sounded like our equivalent to our high school. i could be totally wrong because it was 35 years ago and I could have misunderstood.
Pretty strenuous! Thanks for taking the time to explain. It makes sense and it seems like it's a good system.
So, the university has it's own admission process, so the tougher it is to get in, the more prestigious the degree I presume? I think the kids here would faint if they had to take oral as well as written tests to graduate - and a whole week and a half! 🙂
Do you get to choose your high school profile? How does that work? is it based on interest? Or career intentions? Or university intentions?
Can I ask this as well? How old are you when you enroll in university?
I ask, because it seems like I had someone from Germany tell me they were 16 when they went to university. The way they described it, it sounded like our equivalent to our high school. i could be totally wrong because it was 35 years ago and I could have misunderstood.
Posted by truecapOh, I want to clarify. I wasn't implying that university there is like high school here. This kid may have placed out early and was really smart.
@Damnata
Pretty strenuous! Thanks for taking the time to explain. It makes sense and it seems like it's a good system.
So, the university has it's own admission process, so the tougher it is to get in, the more prestigious the degree I presume? I think the kids here would faint if they had to take oral as well as written tests to graduate - and a whole week and a half! 🙂
Do you get to choose your high school profile? How does that work? is it based on interest? Or career intentions? Or university intentions?
Can I ask this as well? How old are you when you enroll in university?
I ask, because it seems like I had someone from Germany tell me they were 16 when they went to university. The way they described it, it sounded like our equivalent to our high school. i could be totally wrong because it was 35 years ago and I could have misunderstood.
@truecap
I see it explained well with wiki so I will use that to describe it and add my experience to it.
Let me go over it from the beggining. We get into elementary when we are 6 or 7 years old, depending on the parents' wishes and how our birthday falls during the year. Since mine is in late August, my parents thought I would be too young to go into it at 6 years old + 2 weeks. But for kids born in January, they would be 6 years 9 months old so they would most likely get into it that year and not wait for another one to turn 7.
Elementary school goes for 8 years.
For the first four:
A system similar to E-S-N-U is used, known as calificative. These are Foarte bine (FB) – Excellent, Bine (B) – Good, Satisfăcător/Suficient (S) – Satisfactory, actually meaning (barely) passing, Nesatisfăcător/Insuficient (N/I) – Failed. Students who get an N/I must take an exam in the summer with a special assembly of teachers, and if the situation is not improved, the student will repeat the whole year. The "qualifiers" (calificative) are given throughout the year, in a system of year-long assessment, on tests, schoolwork, homework or projects. The average for a subject (that will go in the mark register) is calculated by the teacher taking into account the progress of the student and by using a 1–4 value for each qualifier (for example, if a student has FB, FB, B, B in Mathematics, then the mark will be (4 + 4 + 3 + 3) : 4 = 3.5, therefore B – taking into account that the performance of the student has lowered over time a B, B, FB, FB will also be 3.5 but will be marked as FB because the performance has improved over time). There is no average calculated for the whole year, but only per subject per semester.
For the fifth to eight grade and all the way to high school:
A 1 to 10 grading system is used with 10 being the best, 1 being the worst and 5 being the minimum passing grade. The system of continuous assessment is also used, with individual marks for each test, oral examination, project, homework or classwork being entered in the register (these individual marks are known as note). There must be at least as many note for a subject as the number of weekly classes for that subject plus one. Some subjects also require a partial examination at the end of the semester (teză). This requirement is however regulated by the Ministry as mandatory and cannot be changed. The partial is valued at 25% of the final mark, and for grades 5 to 8 it applies to Romanian Language and Mathematics and only in the eight year, Geography or History, and in the case of a bilingual school or one with teaching in a minority language, that particular language. The marks are given on the basis of strict ministerial guidelines, as they count for high school repartition.
I see it explained well with wiki so I will use that to describe it and add my experience to it.
Let me go over it from the beggining. We get into elementary when we are 6 or 7 years old, depending on the parents' wishes and how our birthday falls during the year. Since mine is in late August, my parents thought I would be too young to go into it at 6 years old + 2 weeks. But for kids born in January, they would be 6 years 9 months old so they would most likely get into it that year and not wait for another one to turn 7.
Elementary school goes for 8 years.
For the first four:
A system similar to E-S-N-U is used, known as calificative. These are Foarte bine (FB) – Excellent, Bine (B) – Good, Satisfăcător/Suficient (S) – Satisfactory, actually meaning (barely) passing, Nesatisfăcător/Insuficient (N/I) – Failed. Students who get an N/I must take an exam in the summer with a special assembly of teachers, and if the situation is not improved, the student will repeat the whole year. The "qualifiers" (calificative) are given throughout the year, in a system of year-long assessment, on tests, schoolwork, homework or projects. The average for a subject (that will go in the mark register) is calculated by the teacher taking into account the progress of the student and by using a 1–4 value for each qualifier (for example, if a student has FB, FB, B, B in Mathematics, then the mark will be (4 + 4 + 3 + 3) : 4 = 3.5, therefore B – taking into account that the performance of the student has lowered over time a B, B, FB, FB will also be 3.5 but will be marked as FB because the performance has improved over time). There is no average calculated for the whole year, but only per subject per semester.
For the fifth to eight grade and all the way to high school:
A 1 to 10 grading system is used with 10 being the best, 1 being the worst and 5 being the minimum passing grade. The system of continuous assessment is also used, with individual marks for each test, oral examination, project, homework or classwork being entered in the register (these individual marks are known as note). There must be at least as many note for a subject as the number of weekly classes for that subject plus one. Some subjects also require a partial examination at the end of the semester (teză). This requirement is however regulated by the Ministry as mandatory and cannot be changed. The partial is valued at 25% of the final mark, and for grades 5 to 8 it applies to Romanian Language and Mathematics and only in the eight year, Geography or History, and in the case of a bilingual school or one with teaching in a minority language, that particular language. The marks are given on the basis of strict ministerial guidelines, as they count for high school repartition.
Classes for the first four years: Math, Romanian Language and Literature, History, Geography, Science, Art, One foreign language (English/French), Introduction to computers, Civic education, Religion, Music Education, Physical Education
fifth - eight grade: All the classes before + Biology, another foreign language in addition to the first, Physics, Chemistry, Latin, Technological education.
At the end of the 8th year of school (at age 14 or 15) a nationwide test is taken by all students. It's called The National Test, can be taken only once, in June. The subjects are Romanian Language and Literature and Mathematics(and additionally the language of the school for ethnic minority schools or classes and for bi-lingual schools).
The passing mark is 5 for each of the exams. If the student passes, he is allowed to enrol in a high school; should he fail, he will have to join a School of Crafts and Trades for two years. The finishing grade (also known as the admission grade) is computed, taking into account for 25% an average of all the Yearly General Averages starting with year 5 and for the rest of 75% the mark obtained at the National Test (1-10, 10 being the highest, not rounded, precision 0.01). Despite the exams are being published and the marks are public, lists being placed both in schools and on the Internet.
In order to enroll in a high school, the student must choose a list of high schools he or she desires to attend (there is no automatic enrolment this time), based on his mark and options by filling in a nationwide form. A national computer system does the repartition, by taking into account students in the order of their preferences and their "admission grade". Thus, somebody with an 9.85 average (this is a top 5% mark) will certainly enter the high school he or she desires, while somebody with 5.50 has almost no chance to attend a top ranked high school. However, based on this system, the last admission averages for some prestigious high schools are over 9.50 or 9.60.
There are five types of high schools in Romania allowing access to university, based on the type of education offered and their academic performance. All of these allow for a high school diploma, access to the Bacalaureat exam and therefore access to University studies. Unlike the Swedish or French systems, the choice of high school curriculum does not limit the choices for university. For example, a graduate of a Mathematics-Computer Programming (Real) Department of a National College may apply to a Language Department of a University without any problem.
fifth - eight grade: All the classes before + Biology, another foreign language in addition to the first, Physics, Chemistry, Latin, Technological education.
At the end of the 8th year of school (at age 14 or 15) a nationwide test is taken by all students. It's called The National Test, can be taken only once, in June. The subjects are Romanian Language and Literature and Mathematics(and additionally the language of the school for ethnic minority schools or classes and for bi-lingual schools).
The passing mark is 5 for each of the exams. If the student passes, he is allowed to enrol in a high school; should he fail, he will have to join a School of Crafts and Trades for two years. The finishing grade (also known as the admission grade) is computed, taking into account for 25% an average of all the Yearly General Averages starting with year 5 and for the rest of 75% the mark obtained at the National Test (1-10, 10 being the highest, not rounded, precision 0.01). Despite the exams are being published and the marks are public, lists being placed both in schools and on the Internet.
In order to enroll in a high school, the student must choose a list of high schools he or she desires to attend (there is no automatic enrolment this time), based on his mark and options by filling in a nationwide form. A national computer system does the repartition, by taking into account students in the order of their preferences and their "admission grade". Thus, somebody with an 9.85 average (this is a top 5% mark) will certainly enter the high school he or she desires, while somebody with 5.50 has almost no chance to attend a top ranked high school. However, based on this system, the last admission averages for some prestigious high schools are over 9.50 or 9.60.
There are five types of high schools in Romania allowing access to university, based on the type of education offered and their academic performance. All of these allow for a high school diploma, access to the Bacalaureat exam and therefore access to University studies. Unlike the Swedish or French systems, the choice of high school curriculum does not limit the choices for university. For example, a graduate of a Mathematics-Computer Programming (Real) Department of a National College may apply to a Language Department of a University without any problem.
However, because of the subjects taught, the quality of education and the requirements for admission in universities, artificial barriers may appear: for example, a graduate of a Humane and Social Studies Department will find it very hard to apply for a Mathematics Department at a University because the admission exam for that university department requires knowledge of calculus, a subject not taught in Humanities and Social Studies. But there is no formal limitation: if that student manages to understand calculus, he or she is free to apply.
- National College (Colegiu NaÅ£ional) — the most prestigious high schools in Romania,most are each part of at least one international program such as Cervantes, SOCRATES, Eurolikes etc.
- Military College (Colegiu Militar) — there are 3 high schools administered by the Ministry of National Defense. They are considered extremely strict and legally they have the same regime as army units, being considered military installations with all students being members of the army and abiding army rules and regulations, including lights out at 10 o'clock.
- Economic College or Technical College (Colegiu Economic or Colegiu Tehnic) — A high school with good results and with an academic program based on technical education or services (see below). An admission average of 8.00 is usually enough.
- Liceu (Standard High school) — An average high school, providing one of the available academic programs. The type of academic program offered is added after this designation (e.g. Liceul Teoretic Dimitrie Bolintineanu or Liceul Economic Ion Luca Caragiale)
- Grup Åžcolar — A group of two schools — a high school (usually offering academic programmes in the field of technical or services education) and a Craft and Trade School. Some are regarded as being the worst alternative to allow access to a highschool diploma and access to university, while others are very well regarded as they give highly useful and well regarded diplomas and provide a rather high quality education (such as Grup Åžcolar Economic Viilor Bucharest — training gastronomy specialists, protocol waiters etc. — and owning their own hotel, restaurant and pastry shop).
- National College (Colegiu NaÅ£ional) — the most prestigious high schools in Romania,most are each part of at least one international program such as Cervantes, SOCRATES, Eurolikes etc.
- Military College (Colegiu Militar) — there are 3 high schools administered by the Ministry of National Defense. They are considered extremely strict and legally they have the same regime as army units, being considered military installations with all students being members of the army and abiding army rules and regulations, including lights out at 10 o'clock.
- Economic College or Technical College (Colegiu Economic or Colegiu Tehnic) — A high school with good results and with an academic program based on technical education or services (see below). An admission average of 8.00 is usually enough.
- Liceu (Standard High school) — An average high school, providing one of the available academic programs. The type of academic program offered is added after this designation (e.g. Liceul Teoretic Dimitrie Bolintineanu or Liceul Economic Ion Luca Caragiale)
- Grup Åžcolar — A group of two schools — a high school (usually offering academic programmes in the field of technical or services education) and a Craft and Trade School. Some are regarded as being the worst alternative to allow access to a highschool diploma and access to university, while others are very well regarded as they give highly useful and well regarded diplomas and provide a rather high quality education (such as Grup Åžcolar Economic Viilor Bucharest — training gastronomy specialists, protocol waiters etc. — and owning their own hotel, restaurant and pastry shop).
So, in my case, I went for a National College, which is a theoretical program.
There were 5 classes: 2 with emphasis on math and computers, one for natural sciences, one for social sciences (logic, psychology, economy, philosophy, sociology), one for languages. I opted for the social sciences one. It's good for students to pick the class that would give them leverage for the choice of University. For example, you should pick natural sciences if you want to go to Medicine, because it has a high number of classes in physics, chemistry, biology. But you can choose either of the five and still go for Medicine and do well in the exam.
All 5 fall on the spectrum between science and humanities:
Science — Profil Real ("mathematics and computer programming" or "earth studies") — this is the most demanding of all the academic programs, and the most sought-after as it offers the best chance[citation needed] for university admission, teaching as it does most of the subjects needed for admission. There are 15 different subjects per year, with 30–35 hours weekly : e.g. Latin is compulsory for a year, Math for 4 years (4–7 hours/week — Calculus, Trigonometry and Algebra), Computer Programming (4 hours weekly — 4 years), two modern languages, such as English for 2–6 hours/week and French for 2 hours/week, also 4 years, Literature 3 hours/week 4 years, Geography, History, Chemistry, Physics (all of these 4 years, 1–2 hours weekly each), Economics, Philosophy, Logic, Psychology (1 year each — 4 years) etc. This will give an " Computer Programmer" qualification. Besides being the hardest, this is the most common program, as it is the most sought after.
Humanities — Profil Uman ("social studies" or "languages") — 3 or 4 modern languages, 4 years of Latin or Ancient Greek, literature (both Romanian and foreign), two years of each of the studied social sciences, more history and geography than in the case of real studies, but almost no mathematics, chemistry, physics or biology. This program still demands over 30–35 hours weekly but will give no work qualification, with the exception of bilingual colleges, which offer a translator qualification. Classes specialized in Humanities sometimes provide intensive study of a foreign language (at least 5 hours per week), along with the study of the literature, history and geography of the respective country.
There were 5 classes: 2 with emphasis on math and computers, one for natural sciences, one for social sciences (logic, psychology, economy, philosophy, sociology), one for languages. I opted for the social sciences one. It's good for students to pick the class that would give them leverage for the choice of University. For example, you should pick natural sciences if you want to go to Medicine, because it has a high number of classes in physics, chemistry, biology. But you can choose either of the five and still go for Medicine and do well in the exam.
All 5 fall on the spectrum between science and humanities:
Science — Profil Real ("mathematics and computer programming" or "earth studies") — this is the most demanding of all the academic programs, and the most sought-after as it offers the best chance[citation needed] for university admission, teaching as it does most of the subjects needed for admission. There are 15 different subjects per year, with 30–35 hours weekly : e.g. Latin is compulsory for a year, Math for 4 years (4–7 hours/week — Calculus, Trigonometry and Algebra), Computer Programming (4 hours weekly — 4 years), two modern languages, such as English for 2–6 hours/week and French for 2 hours/week, also 4 years, Literature 3 hours/week 4 years, Geography, History, Chemistry, Physics (all of these 4 years, 1–2 hours weekly each), Economics, Philosophy, Logic, Psychology (1 year each — 4 years) etc. This will give an " Computer Programmer" qualification. Besides being the hardest, this is the most common program, as it is the most sought after.
Humanities — Profil Uman ("social studies" or "languages") — 3 or 4 modern languages, 4 years of Latin or Ancient Greek, literature (both Romanian and foreign), two years of each of the studied social sciences, more history and geography than in the case of real studies, but almost no mathematics, chemistry, physics or biology. This program still demands over 30–35 hours weekly but will give no work qualification, with the exception of bilingual colleges, which offer a translator qualification. Classes specialized in Humanities sometimes provide intensive study of a foreign language (at least 5 hours per week), along with the study of the literature, history and geography of the respective country.
I was 18 when I enrolled in University. Classmates who started at 6 years old were 17. 18 is the age you become an adult here, with full rights and obligations.
You could technically be younger because you have the option to bypass years in highschool if you want to, but it's way too hard and I don't know anyone who did. So you could start University at..15/16.
You could technically be younger because you have the option to bypass years in highschool if you want to, but it's way too hard and I don't know anyone who did. So you could start University at..15/16.
What I liked most about Social sciences is we got to pick 6 new subjects for the 11th and 12th grade. These are taught by the same teachers we had for other subjects. They basically come in front of the class with ideas for new classes and we got to vote. They already know us well by now so they put forth classes that might appeal to us. 6 added hours each week, one hour/ subject
We chose: Applied ethics (taught by the psychology teacher), International Relations (history teacher), Debate/Rhetorics (latin teacher), Etiquette (history teacher) and 2 more I forget now.
We chose: Applied ethics (taught by the psychology teacher), International Relations (history teacher), Debate/Rhetorics (latin teacher), Etiquette (history teacher) and 2 more I forget now.
Posted by WhiteChocolateI assume you'd have done well in picking a crafts highschool for gastronomy.
What about for idiots like me?
Do they have Dumbass College?
Posted by DamnataThanks so much for explaining! ! I learned a lot. Really appreciate it. Sounds like a good program.
I was 18 when I enrolled in University. Classmates who started at 6 years old were 17. 18 is the age you become an adult here, with full rights and obligations.
You could technically be younger because you have the option to bypass years in highschool if you want to, but it's way too hard and I don't know anyone who did. So you could start University at..15/16.
Posted by BlackNovaSo maybe the money spent on education and healthcare should go to the national debt?Posted by truecapIf they cut funding to the military war machine, reduce government bureaucracy (it's bloated and inefficient) they can then use that money for education and healthcare....no need to raise extra taxes.
Question to all of you wanting Free College and Free Healthcare --
You do realize it's not "free", don't you? Bernie wants to, and has said, he will increase taxes.
Once you get your 'free' degree and join the workforce, you will be paying a higher tax rate, just like the rest of us who are already paying high taxes.. So, long story short, that means less money in YOUR pocket and more to the government.
Of course, I could be wrong.....BUT, I'd rather pay 20% in taxes instead of 40% . (and yes, I made up those numbers, to provide an example). If my salary is $ 1000 a week and I give 20% to the government, I only get to spend $ 800. If taxes happen to double (and that's the only way I can imagine free college and healthcare), then I only get to spend $ 600 a week. - which REALLY hurts the economy in the long run and will actually make it even harder for struggling families.
(And I believe the tax rate should be a percentage. period. no tax breaks, no deductions, just a flat percentage where the poor pay less and the rich pay more).
Back to my point - yes, free sounds really good when you have nothing and are struggling, but once you're on your feet and making a decent income, looking at it from that angle, you could be actually making LESS than you would be otherwise.
And of course, this is coming out of my a $ $ and I could be wrong. Gosh! I HOPE I'm wrong!!
If you think I'm wrong, please enlighten me and educate me. I won't be offended as long as you don't call me an idiot, because this is actually the concern of a lot of people out there.
There is enough money and resources to achieve significantly better social policy, but because of waste (on military / surveillance spending) and the cronies in government who have their own personal agendas and self serving ideology....we have the issues we have.
But the fundamental problem with the US government, now, is that it already has a debt load than can NEVER be paid off, it is beyond ridiculous, if it was a business, it would have been declared bankrupt years ago.
The main reason why the US gov. has not imploded, is due to the US dollar still being the world reserve currency and that the private US Federal Reserve banking cartel can print money from thin at will to prop up the wealthy elites.click to expand
Rephrasing what she said and asking if that's what she meant.
Posted by BlackNovaWe had been talking about education and you commented about the national debt. And I was wondering if you were trying to say instead of spending our tax dollars on other things that we should concentrate on getting the debt paid off first. Which would make sense.Posted by truecapHuh?
So maybe the money spent on education and healthcare should go to the national debt?
Why would you assume this or suggest it for that matter?click to expand
Posted by JahliaI thought you were asking me why I asked that questionPosted by BlackNovaI thought it was a typo.Posted by JahliaJahlia, you quoted my response to truecap......Posted by truecapOh okay.
Rephrasing what she said and asking if that's what she meant.
obviously truecap wasn't referring to me with the above post...my profile shows I'm a dude.click to expand
Sorry Nova. I didn't see you were male. Can't read those little letters on my cell phone.
Gotcha! Can't say I disagree.
I want to live in a safe country, though. Not sure how everything theyre doing fits together.
I want to live in a safe country, though. Not sure how everything theyre doing fits together.
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