Posted by EffervescentI have so many faves.. I guess my ultimate fave look is the Bad era.. I love his style & he had the best smile
My favorite Michael Jackson choreography and outfit:
Posted by justagirlI love this song & this album! Of course I love dangerous too haha
soo many favs by him. this one has always held a special place. i loved his Dangerous album.
Posted by Gob_ShiteIt looks like u need to do your research .. numbers don't liePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_ShitePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_Shite
*yawns*
He was a washed-up has been, addicted to painkillers, who lost any relevance after the '80s....
He's the greatest of all-time and you know it
Nah, during the '70s and '80s, he was a major influence but greatest of all time is pushing it...
Stop the lies plz!
Two huge-selling (and critically praised) albums and one passable album (Bad). The rest of his output was either patchy or underwhelming.
Two great albums... but he released approximately 12 studio albums.
IMO, the greatest of all time is a title more deserving of someone with a better hit rate and higher quality control...
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Posted by CapzWhat? Yes he's a Virgo.. saison?
wth weirgo saison started ?
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His music was very touching. Especially to children.
Posted by Gob_ShiteYou don't equate it to quality.. that doesn't mean his millions of fans & the music critics didn't think it was quality .. I'm not heavily relying on a flawed arguement..there is no arguementPosted by SofiaV87Posted by Gob_ShiteIt looks like u need to do your research .. numbers don't liePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_ShitePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_Shite
*yawns*
He was a washed-up has been, addicted to painkillers, who lost any relevance after the '80s....
He's the greatest of all-time and you know it
Nah, during the '70s and '80s, he was a major influence but greatest of all time is pushing it...
Stop the lies plz!
Two huge-selling (and critically praised) albums and one passable album (Bad). The rest of his output was either patchy or underwhelming.
Two great albums... but he released approximately 12 studio albums.
IMO, the greatest of all time is a title more deserving of someone with a better hit rate and higher quality control...
Music sales don't equate to quality.
Only naive sheep heavily rely on such a flawed argument.
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Posted by LadyNeptuneYes ? It doesn't seem that long at all
Has it already been 8 years!!?
Posted by EvoxxxscorpioOne of my fave SWV songs!! I love SWV .. they had a show on TV.. I was watching it then fell off
Posted by LillyPetalNo, this world didn't deserve him at all
Absolute musical genius who United people from all over the world. We didn't deserve him. R.I.P.
Posted by Gob_ShiteWhat it really comes down to is that I won't argue with someone over the InternetPosted by SofiaV87Posted by Gob_ShiteYou don't equate it to quality.. that doesn't mean his millions of fans & the music critics didn't think it was quality .. I'm not heavily relying on a flawed arguement..there is no arguementPosted by SofiaV87Posted by Gob_ShiteIt looks like u need to do your research .. numbers don't liePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_ShitePosted by EffervescentPosted by Gob_Shite
*yawns*
He was a washed-up has been, addicted to painkillers, who lost any relevance after the '80s....
He's the greatest of all-time and you know it
Nah, during the '70s and '80s, he was a major influence but greatest of all time is pushing it...
Stop the lies plz!
Two huge-selling (and critically praised) albums and one passable album (Bad). The rest of his output was either patchy or underwhelming.
Two great albums... but he released approximately 12 studio albums.
IMO, the greatest of all time is a title more deserving of someone with a better hit rate and higher quality control...
Music sales don't equate to quality.
Only naive sheep heavily rely on such a flawed argument.
But you did rely on the argument that high music sales equate to quality. Please read your previous post again.
And now you're using the numbers game again (thus contradicting yourself) but mentioning 'millions of fans'. I don't give a fuck if he has a billion fans, my personal opinion still stands. From the '90s onwards, he sucked... big... hairy... balls.
What you don't understand is that, to some people like me, popularity means absolutely nothing - it's all about discerning true quality, as opposed to being a blind devoted fan.
MJ had his golden period and then blew it big time, after Bad. Without Quincy Jones, MJ was simply a mediocre has been, having lost all touch with reality, singing bland pop and R&B, with the odd woefully naive song about world peace thrown in for good measure.
So, you're a fan. How frigging fantastic. Maybe you should start growing a backbone to support your so-called conviction, so you won't take any future criticism of MJ so personally.
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Posted by seraphI like the way u worded this .. I'm not aware of the exact breakdown of numbers .. I just know that numbers don't lie & still till this day , he's still topping the " most " charts as an artist, after all these years.. you're right about the specific generations/general influence/opinion- it really boils down to all 3 things as to who you're going to choose.. Elvis was also a great performer/singer/entertainer , my father loves him so much we visited Graceland.. it was so cool .. so to him Elvis is his favorite , he loves MJ as well but MJ isn't his fave like he is mine.. I'm a super fan , MJ broke down barriers for many popular artists today .. today's artists are constantly giving MJ recognition , saying they wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for him , it's true .. every generation is different , every opinion is different & ppl are influenced differently .. For me, MJ will forever always be my fave
I have no preferences here, but in terms of numbers (Billboard stats):
Most weeks at number 1:
1st - Elvis (tied) with 79
2nd - Rihanna with 60
6th - Michael with 37.
Most #1 singles:
1st - Beatles with 20;
2nd - Elvis with 18 (tied)
4th - Michael (tied) with 13.
Most Top 10 singles:
1st - Madonna with 38
2nd - Elvis with 36;
5th - Michael (behind Rihanna) with 29.
Most Top 40 Singles:
1st - Elvis with 114
2nd - Lil Wayne with 64
6th - Beatles (tied) with 50
Micheal doesn't even figure in the Top 10 here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_chart_achievements_and_milestones
Michael was incredible, but by Billboard numbers at least, he isn't up there with Elvis. And that's fine, because hardly anyone is.
There are subjective (and perfectly valid) points that render the question more complicated (preponderance of opinion of specific generations, general influence on music as a whole, whether to give more or less weight to choreography, and so on.) The above stats are just one perspective, at any rate.
Posted by 5TwentyOneYes, an original .. one of the best things to be in this world .. of course he had his influences as well - James Brown, Jackie Wilson, Frank Sinatra, Charlie Chaplin etc .. he's so missed ?
I loved listening to MJ when I was a kid. Enjoyed a lot of his music into my adulthood too. He was definitely an original. He is missed.
Posted by seraphTrue thatPosted by SofiaV87There you go. That's all that really matters. Answers and opinions depend on the form of measure being used. Elvis, for example, was unreal in "Never been to Spain" when the chorus kicked in for the first time. Madonna doing Vogue during her MDNA tour, for example; now *that* is a show. But quite different from The King. And MJ... pick almost any video and you'll see vocals and choreography coalesce into magic, but differently from the foregoing.Posted by seraphI like the way u worded this .. I'm not aware of the exact breakdown of numbers .. I just know that numbers don't lie & still till this day , he's still topping the " most " charts as an artist, after all these years.. you're right about the specific generations/general influence/opinion- it really boils down to all 3 things as to who you're going to choose.. Elvis was also a great performer/singer/entertainer , my father loves him so much we visited Graceland.. it was so cool .. so to him Elvis is his favorite , he loves MJ as well but MJ isn't his fave like he is mine.. I'm a super fan , MJ broke down barriers for many popular artists today .. today's artists are constantly giving MJ recognition , saying they wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for him , it's true .. every generation is different , every opinion is different & ppl are influenced differently .. For me, MJ will forever always be my fave
I have no preferences here, but in terms of numbers (Billboard stats):
Most weeks at number 1:
1st - Elvis (tied) with 79
2nd - Rihanna with 60
6th - Michael with 37.
Most #1 singles:
1st - Beatles with 20;
2nd - Elvis with 18 (tied)
4th - Michael (tied) with 13.
Most Top 10 singles:
1st - Madonna with 38
2nd - Elvis with 36;
5th - Michael (behind Rihanna) with 29.
Most Top 40 Singles:
1st - Elvis with 114
2nd - Lil Wayne with 64
6th - Beatles (tied) with 50
Micheal doesn't even figure in the Top 10 here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_chart_achievements_and_milestones
Michael was incredible, but by Billboard numbers at least, he isn't up there with Elvis. And that's fine, because hardly anyone is.
There are subjective (and perfectly valid) points that render the question more complicated (preponderance of opinion of specific generations, general influence on music as a whole, whether to give more or less weight to choreography, and so on.) The above stats are just one perspective, at any rate.
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Posted by Gob_ShiteWell it's not like Jones did anything remarkable in the music world afterwards either. Without MJ Jones would have not become such a big deal at all. They benefitted from each other, that's for sure.
"They [Quincy Jones and MJ] made three albums together – Off the Wall in 1979, Thriller in 1982, Bad in 1987 – a collaboration that changed pop for ever. "Then Michael fired me," Jones grins. He had been pushing Jackson towards hip-hop, but the singer had doubts. "He said, 'Quincy doesn't understand the business any more. He doesn't know that rap is dead.' But it's OK. It wasn't so obvious then.""
"For Thriller, [Quincy] Jones whittled 800 songs down to nine. "Then I took out the weakest four and replaced them with The Lady in My Life, PYT, Beat It and Human Nature. Mix that with Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin' Something, and you have a serious album."
"... I knew how to handle Michael."
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/08/quincy-jones
Posted by Gob_ShiteYeah he did use some rappers during Dangerous but I can't remember using them onwards at all. I mean he went doing all those peace, love and save the world ballads. Maybe it had something to do with the then current child molesting investigations that went on. I am sure they affected him professionally and forced him to change.directions.Posted by TheSag
They benefitted from each other, that's for sure.
That was my point. MJ's peak success was based on a partnership. Yes, he had the raw talent but he couldn't have achieved his run of solo success alone.Posted by TheSag
I don't think Hip Hop could have saved Michael at all.
I nor the article never stipulated that, but it's ironic how MJ started using rappers from the Dangerous period onwards...Posted by TheSag
She adapted well through the decades and has made tons of money but nobody says she is the GOAT cause her music is just mainstream trash.
I'm not interested in corporate mainstream music, full stop.Posted by TheSag
I am not sure whether it's true what I am about to say but there is one thing that seperates MJ from Madonna, Eminem, Rihanna, Elvis, Sinatra and maybe even the Beatles: his music will be listened still in 50 years and longer because he has probably the highest recognition value of them all. And his 80s videos are still epic to this day. People recognize his voice and his videos but a lot of them have never heard about Elvis and Sinatra. MJ however has become an immortal brand because musicians still refer to him.
That's a highly subjective viewpoint, which only the passage of time can determine. MJ was influential, of course. But, beyond that, each to their own.
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