What Went Unspoken About R. Kelly...

People are hypocrites. Plain and simple. How is it, a man makes music for over 30 years and all fans, all friends, all fellow music artists turn their back— As if no one realized back in the early 90's Aliyah was too young for R. Kelly... I'm going to use R. Kelly as an example of the wrong type of relationships to have in your life because there's so much that went unspoken about his personal relationships that should be discussed.

First let me say that I am not a fan of R. Kelly in any shape or form. I mean the first song I heard back in the 80's was called "Bump and Grind" and my parents were deeply religious so this just didn't work for me. However, there have been so many... SO MANY... singers, rappers, entertainers, boy bands, rock stars that came and went while somehow R. Kelly remained constantly making popular music to his fan base. I mean Mark Wahlberg and Will Smith were rappers when R. Kelly first came out. Think about that...

But this isn't my point. My point is that R. Kelly can claim to be the most successful and prolonging R & B singer of all time and his life is evidence that the people who were around him the entire time were horrible with no exception. He didn't have a single friend that said to him, hey maybe you should learn to read and write. Hey, the money is nice but what are you doing to grow yourself— Or hey whatever is done in the dark comes to the light and your karma will balance itself out eventually. What does it say about people who call themselves friends, family, lovers, coworkers, etc.— It says that they all were just using him for his talents. Not one was a genuine friend or genuinely gave a squirrel fart about him as a human being and that should scare all of us slightly because R. Kelly is a great example of financial success with personal relationship failure.

Ask yourself how many people were in and out of his life?? How many more people will R. Kelly meet in his life than you in yours— And in spite of all of that, how many people cared enough about him to be truthful with him about what he needs to do instead of what he wanted to do—

The reason I'm saying this is because people need to understand the value of a person who is willing to tell them the truth. A friend that is truly willing to be a friend, telling you something that may upset you, but is exactly what you need to hear. In this life, if you can find 3 people like that, you are favored by the Universe. People who are honest often are shunned and ignored because they are willing to go against what feels good to urge you to do the right thing. How many people do you have like that in your life and did you reject what they were trying to tell you also—

People who are willing to stick themselves out there and risk your friendship to tell you what you don't want to hear should be celebrated. Any stories where a friend was telling you what you didn't want to hear but should have listened?? Comments are welcomed..

Hes a pedo. That's all there is to say about the man.

I'm not a fan of R Kelly either. Never was. I never liked none of his songs. I dont like his voice in his music for one thing. It screams sex to me. Totally cringeworthy to me. Dude can stay locked up for all I care. His partying days are numbered. Now maybe he'll learn to be introvert and witness first hand whats that like.

Take that R Kelly and all his fans.

“How is it, a man makes music for over 30 years and all fans, all friends, all fellow music artists turn their back??”

Because he’s a pedophile

Isn’t that a good enough reason?

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I'd like to say I don't even know who R.Kelly is, but they made too much fun of that "trapped in the closet" thing in the 00s. I kinda like the fact this closet opera and the ethiopia clip posted above are both not capable of taking any height from the topic of the songs, it's literally the most simplistic down-to-earth speech you could write. It's some kind of an artistic accomplishment to be so simple-minded and low level.

That said don't ask me what else he sings

R. Kelly is probably not an ideal candidate to use as a protocol for hypocritical behaviors. He's a human version of a dumpster on fire.

Having said that, does it really surprise you that people are often degenerates? Most people value what they morally deem as "nice" above anything else. Honesty, though people state they appreciate, they really don't. Simply because most human beings operate with their ego on the forefront. With that honesty, can be often times brutal, and some people cannot tolerate a hit to their own egos. They would rather be "right", than to feel like they are "wrong".

I will give you a better example, as opposed to R. Kelly. I watch shit ass, reality tv shows for entertainment. I understand it is edited and conflicts are often manufactured for ratings, but it still often creates polarizing scenarios that you can watch in terms of how the audience responds. Now having said that, there is a show called Below Deck, that I watch. In the last season, one of the stews was just terrible at her job. She mix bleach with chemicals, fucked in a guest bedroom without permission, kept finding the dude she was fucking to talk "relationship status" while on duty, ignoring paying guests, bad silver service etiquette, etc... The list goes on, but I digress. Half the audience watching, made excuses for her because she was "nice". That was all they kept saying. She's nice, and she is getting bullied. All because her boss was "mean" to her for telling her she was fucking up and firing her.

That is a micro chasm of human nature in a nutshell, imo. If you are perceived as "nice", than more often than not, people will think that equates to being "good". Hurting feelings with honesty, means you are "bad" because you hurt feelings. Some people value "feelings" more than true honesty. Some have no concept into understanding that some will show a "nice" side for manipulative purposes.

Hey excellent point!!!!!! I don't like when friends say "well at that time i knew it was not good for you..." then it's like why didn't you say that?

Although, I kind of did that to a friend recently so it's a fine balance of standing up for your friends but at the same time letting them learn from their own mistakes if you think your opinion will not be appreciated anyways. Usually if it's something serious though I do not care and will 100% give my opinion regardless of hurt feelings if i think it's for the betterment of my friend in a dire situation.

The situation was my friend was dating this guy for 6 months but I thought she was way too good for him and deserved better. Less than a month later she tells me all the issues she's having and why she left him. In my head I was like I could've kind of told you that BUT in my defense she hadn't shared all those horrible things with me before breaking up with him. It was just an intuition and I couldn't plant negative seeds towards her relationship just based on that...

I've made some major horrible life decisions and I'm surprised that some of my most wise friends (50yrs+) did not pitch in to guide me as I was only about 25. I think if the roles were flipped I'd be more protective and have a lot to say....

But oh well...

You bring up some great points as a reminder to cherish friends who are willing to speak out for your best interest even when you do not have your own best interest in perspective... three friends like that is more than enough.

Regarding R.Kelly...it is absolutely sad how few true friends he had around him.

And absolutely there were so many other offenders who got away with what he did (no excuses) but it just is what it is. the man did dedicate his entire life to music and his fan base... but at the darkest hour there's no one there for you. it's kind of a Capricorn life and theme tbh.

Also, I believe he had sex with minors but do not believe that any of those women were held hostage. What seemed to happen is that he'd choose these girls and make them feel really special, pay for everything and move them in. Have them as choice of the week then find another and the last one no longer has the same attention so she feels trapped like should she stay or go ... and because they're so young I'm sure they felt held hostage. But I mean they were walking around in public, and access to phones. they could've walked off at any moment.

Although having sex with minors is immoral (at least now - weirdly societal morality changes overtime) and at what age is consent not good enough - for me it's good enough after puberty. Then at that point it's really the parent's role to protect and educate their children on how to protect their sexuality. But of course, one man takes the fall for the lack of our societal foundations. He should be held responsible for his actions. I hope that during his incarceration he takes time to learn to read/write, to repent, understand the issues with is actions and the victims of those actions, and learn of better ways to cope with his own pain. For some reason, I just think he deserves better.

Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

I'm not a fan of R Kelly either. Never was. I never liked none of his songs. I dont like his voice in his music for one thing. It screams sex to me. Totally cringeworthy to me. Dude can stay locked up for all I care. His partying days are numbered. Now maybe he'll learn to be introvert and witness first hand whats that like.

Take that R Kelly and all his fans.

Looking at this dude's introverted chart a few hours ago he should have no problems with being solitary confined.

Just thought I brought this to whoever attention whoever care to know.

Posted by WarAngel

Ouch, wrong guy to pick up the torch for. 😅

Looking forward to your thesis on the defense of Jeffrey Epstein. 👍🏼🤣

I'm definitely not picking up any torch for him. Only saying that due to the people he has always had around him, his life is a byproduct of the company he has kept. Is this beyond everyone's understanding— That the his personal relationships are a great influence on the results of his life...

Why didn't his "friends" stop R Kelly from grooming young girls?

Firstly, because fame and money bring power, and power corrupts. "That's the way it was," said his former tour manager Demetrius Smith. "We worked for him. This is what he wanted and so this is what we were supposed to give him."

Maybe his friends didn't see him as a "pedophile" since the girls he abused were post-pubescent. From wiki: "criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13" (from Wikipedia).

Or maybe his friends didn't know these girls were underage. It's not that obvious. "The jury eventually concluded they could not prove that the girl on the tape was a minor, and Kelly was found not guilty on all counts.

Or maybe he didn't have any real friends.

Anyway, it's human nature to abandon ship when it's on fire. If you don't, you may get seriously burned. Imagine all those people who can't get hold of the main culprit, and take their anger on you! If you do, then do it loudly, so people know what a good and moral person you are 😄

Posted by Misscappy

But to answer your question

"Any stories where a friend was telling you what you didn't want to hear but should have listened??"

Yes. Not only friends but family as well. They know it will fall on deaf ears but they tried at least lol. And when I mess up, these people always got my back. Im loyal to them, and they know it.

Which brings me to your point, after just skimming your post I assume you want to talk about loyalty?

The thing about loyalty is it has to be earned. If he has no loyal people around him, maybe he isnt loyal himself? I mean you'd never know..

But that's how it goes for me. I'm loyal to those who are loyal to me.

Exactly... What I am expressing and trying to openly discuss is the nature of the friends, family and associates we keep in our lives will either stand up at risk of jeopardizing the relationship to get a person back on track, or wait simply for your downfall eating your popcorn on your couch. I'm surprised that most people are ignorant to this aspect of the topic. The three contributors to development are environment, peers, and culture... Well... being unaware of his environment, and some awareness of his culture, the peers and there influences should be discussed.

I'm that friend who can tell someone the truth and what they don't want to hear.

And plenty knew about R.Kelly back in the day, they just swept it under the rug. He wasn't even prosecuted correctly when the video of him peeing on the 14 year old came out.

He bought silence, same way Michael Jackson did.

I think the only reason why he's in jail now is because he ran out of the money needed to stay out of it.

I still listen to his music. I don’t care what he did. Those people aren’t important to me.

Posted by Undine



Anyway, it's human nature to abandon ship when it's on fire. If you don't, you may get seriously burned. Imagine all those people who can't get hold of the main culprit, and take their anger on you! If you do, then do it loudly, so people know what a good and moral person you are 😄

So sarcastically true... His career was longer than most musicians. So, I can't prove but I strongly believe that this is something that MANY people were aware of in the music industry and why was it ok for so long— His career should have ended in the 80's when he married Aliyah and she was underage.

Lady Gaga knew about that guys past or had to have heard yet she still did a song. Years later, she pleads ignorance lol. She wasn’t ignorant, just blinded by money.

Rich people are often surrounded by yesmen.

Posted by black773

Lady Gaga knew about that guys past or had to have heard yet she still did a song. Years later, she pleads ignorance lol. She wasn’t ignorant, just blinded by money.

Yup.

She was warned against doing it by many, but hey, controversy sells.

Posted by WarAngel

Posted by jazzykid

Rich people are often surrounded by yesmen.

Are you rich though? 🤭

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Only in spirit. lol

Posted by WarAngel

Posted by GemCurioThe1

Posted by WarAngel

Ouch, wrong guy to pick up the torch for. 😅

Looking forward to your thesis on the defense of Jeffrey Epstein. 👍🏼🤣

I'm definitely not picking up any torch for him. Only saying that due to the people he has always had around him, his life is a byproduct of the company he has kept. Is this beyond everyone's understanding— That the his personal relationships are a great influence on the results of his life...

Even people who murder adults in cold blood know to stay away from messing with kids. He knew better then and still doesn't care.

I get what you're trying to do with this thread but I was hoping you'd use a different person as an example or maybe something from your personal life. A part of me thinks you chose your subject person to draw eyes into the thread.

Surely you can find another human example?

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Actually it just was a thought I had over coffee. A well known example of my argument. Another would have been Mike Tyson or Robert Downey Jr. But they are afterthoughts.

Posted by nikkistar

R. Kelly is probably not an ideal candidate to use as a protocol for hypocritical behaviors. He's a human version of a dumpster on fire.

Having said that, does it really surprise you that people are often degenerates? Most people value what they morally deem as "nice" above anything else. Honesty, though people state they appreciate, they really don't. Simply because most human beings operate with their ego on the forefront. With that honesty, can be often times brutal, and some people cannot tolerate a hit to their own egos. They would rather be "right", than to feel like they are "wrong".

I will give you a better example, as opposed to R. Kelly. I watch shit ass, reality tv shows for entertainment. I understand it is edited and conflicts are often manufactured for ratings, but it still often creates polarizing scenarios that you can watch in terms of how the audience responds. Now having said that, there is a show called Below Deck, that I watch. In the last season, one of the stews was just terrible at her job. She mix bleach with chemicals, fucked in a guest bedroom without permission, kept finding the dude she was fucking to talk "relationship status" while on duty, ignoring paying guests, bad silver service etiquette, etc... The list goes on, but I digress. Half the audience watching, made excuses for her because she was "nice". That was all they kept saying. She's nice, and she is getting bullied. All because her boss was "mean" to her for telling her she was fucking up and firing her.

That is a micro chasm of human nature in a nutshell, imo. If you are perceived as "nice", than more often than not, people will think that equates to being "good". Hurting feelings with honesty, means you are "bad" because you hurt feelings. Some people value "feelings" more than true honesty. Some have no concept into understanding that some will show a "nice" side for manipulative purposes.

No one is bringing in to question the character of R. Kelly. Only the nature of the peers that must have been around him from a reflective standpoint. I agree with most of what you said. True reality is... ALL PEOPLE ARE RIGHT IN THEIR OWN MINDS SIMULTANEOUSLY... There isn't a single person who doesn't take any actions without thinking of good intentions at least for someone if not themselves. With that said, my opinion is that being able to discuss ideas openly is more relevant than overall proving the validity of the thought. The purpose of this was to be able to discuss the potential nature of the peers around R. Kelly, who completely allowed him to live such a perverse life unchecked calling him friend, collaborating in songs, and even his so called family. The nature of peers as such should be discussed openly for opened minds because having awareness of true friends and family who attempt to keep you from falling in life against your own lower vibrational desires should be valued.