In what case would you give money?

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Say, would you give money to a person even if you knew they were lying? Or if they both were struggling AND lying?

So, I don't know for sure but it's somewhat inspired by what I saw recently. I don't live in a huge city and it's hard to have a thriving homeless community since people would die in the bitter cold during the winter. But I saw this one woman once carrying a small child and holding a sign asking for money or whatever. This was on my way to work. That was a while ago. I didn't see her today but tonight I got off on an exit that was a bit further north than what I would usually get off on, at the same intersection that I get onto where I saw that woman with the child. At the stoplight, tucked behind some utility box or electrical box, was an unused stroller and a paper bag full of discarded food wrappers or whatever. I felt instantly cynical and disappointed.

I thought to myself, is this woman not above trying to use her kid to gain more sympathy for people to give her stuff? So, it just got me thinking: in what cases would you give people money. Is it wrong to take advantage of people's kindness or she merely being better at what she does, which is begging. It's kind of messing with me a bit since I know I could post a pic of a discarded stroller at that same intersection and people would recognize it or get jaded or try to cancel her in some way. Still though, using a baby to gain sympathy? It's hot out there. Put your baby indoors for crying out loud.

Anyway...
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They say food is a safer thing to give since, if money is what someone is after, they would rather keep begging than getting food again. During the winter, I saw a bunch of croissants and muffins discarded at a different exit off the highway. Guess they didn't like muffins.

Again, I really don't know what her situation could be. She could be a recent immigrant, she could be struggling, she could simply be asking for money just to ask, we don't know but it doesn't sit well with me.
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Unless I found out I was giving money to Price William pretending to be a beggar, I can't think of any situation when I would regret my little act of generosity. Even then...I would probably take a pic with our future king (real story, the heir to the throne had tried his hand at selling "Big issue" on the streets of London, a paper usually sold my those who are close to begging...).

Some people are even more generous. My grandfather used to say...if the richest man in the village is begging you for money, GIVE HIM, because only someone in desperate need would humiliate themselves like that... I guess he had no concept of greed and deceit.

One day I red in a newspaper that some idiot discovered that a poor beggar was in fact NOT homeless, and proceeded to harass and shame him. I could have punched the idiot in his ugly face. At that time, I didn't even know that some of the beggars were homeless...shit, I should have given them even more!

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Posted by MyStarsShine
I give a monthly amount to a local homeless charity. Ive received letters from men who thanked me for covering the cost of a room for a few nights.

Ive also given to people om the streets

Being homeless could strike any of us…


This is a great outlook to have.

At any moment any one of us could become a refugee/homeless

With all these guns and people feeling lost, it’s even more likely
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I usually do not like children being dragged into street begging and refrain from donating to them to deter them I guess. We’ve been getting an influx of refugees the past couple of years.

Just last year while I was a couple of months pregnant going home from work and filling gas, this car came and parked itself at the station really bad nearly blocking my vehicle from going out straight. I didn’t think too much into it until a tall pretty lady who appeared like a Syrian refugee came out holding an infant, she also had a toddler waiting inside the car. She began physically approaching me when I realized I was literally the only other person there at the major intersection gas station in broad daylight. She was telling me in a thick accent how she needed help while eyeing what I was wearing head to toe?? I was pretty horrified because I’m pretty small. I didn’t know how to react to the situation so I kept saying in a distressed way, “Sorry, sorry but I’ve really go to go.” I’m still kinda traumatized from that incident and now only fill gas at more populated stations.

I prefer donating through charities but have occasionally once in a while gave out money on the street from inside the car especially if it’s like an elderly woman who’s been out in the scorching sun for days. I don’t understand the younger ones who dress a little too well for street begging tbh. Later I find out my incident hadn’t been an isolated incident and there’s been other sightings of particularly pretty refugee women going around with children seeking money/help. It feels very locally coordinated around the city.
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I don't give out money but I will buy food for the homeless whenever they are near a restaurant establishment that I'm walking in to.

Sometimes they get mad at me for it 😆. You can tell they want the money for alcohol or drugs.

I had to tell one homeless guy to be reasonable. I bought a plate of Chinese food for myself and all he wanted was the $ 40 shrimp smh.
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Posted by RollergirlOrc
Say, would you give money to a person even if you knew they were lying? Or if they both were struggling AND lying?


So, I don't know for sure but it's somewhat inspired by what I saw recently. I don't live in a huge city and it's hard to have a thriving homeless community since people would die in the bitter cold during the winter. But I saw this one woman once carrying a small child and holding a sign asking for money or whatever. This was on my way to work. That was a while ago. I didn't see her today but tonight I got off on an exit that was a bit further north than what I would usually get off on, at the same intersection that I get onto where I saw that woman with the child. At the stoplight, tucked behind some utility box or electrical box, was an unused stroller and a paper bag full of discarded food wrappers or whatever. I felt instantly cynical and disappointed.


I thought to myself, is this woman not above trying to use her kid to gain more sympathy for people to give her stuff? So, it just got me thinking: in what cases would you give people money. Is it wrong to take advantage of people's kindness or she merely being better at what she does, which is begging. It's kind of messing with me a bit since I know I could post a pic of a discarded stroller at that same intersection and people would recognize it or get jaded or try to cancel her in some way. Still though, using a baby to gain sympathy? It's hot out there. Put your baby indoors for crying out loud.


Anyway...


I'm confused as to what you saw had any deception to it.

it's normal for homeless people to stash their stuff under cover out of sight.

If you are saying she leaves the baby in clear view for extra effect and visibility... that's not deception.

Could you explain your reasoning a bit more?



Btw in general, personally it depends on the kind of lie and why they did. If it's dumb reason and they are genuinely in need, I'll give them shit but ya sure. Often I'll make a mental note and pretend I didn't catch on to learn thier tales for when they are lying.

If I feel like they are being manipulative and leeching because they can, it's a no.



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I remember years back a girl came to my door and held up a lovely pencil drawing of a horse and a note saying “I have no English, can you please help me”. I asked our son to get my purse and I emptied it and gave her the money”

She was so grateful

After she’d gone, he says to me “Mum

you gave her all your money”

The next day I won money on a scratch card which was triple the amount I donated.

Kindness is never wasted.

💚
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I’ve seen homeless people on street corners finish a “shift” and walk straight into nicer cars than my own parked right by their corners. I’ve seen homeless people finish a “shift” carrying a baby and then passing the baby to another homeless person who starts their “shift” lol, they all use the same baby which I’m sure belongs to someone in their group. They don’t even try to hide it. It’s a whole business for some of these people, they literally work in shifts at street corners and exits. Huge NO, I would not donate to these people ever. I only donate to legitimate charities where I know there is a bigger chance that my money is being given to those who truly need it.
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I'm surprised that a mother with child is allowed to beg on the streets of Philadelphia. Here in the UK, the social services would step in. I haven't seen this combo since the ol' day of socialist Romania, when it was exclusively used by well-fed, well-groomed gipsy women in traditional attire.

Yes, there will be a few scammers, and it's up to us to recognise them or not, but I wouldn't discount the many genuine people living below poverty line or finding themselves homeless. I trust charities to help those people even less than I trust beggars, but give them my clothes anyway.