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This man did not mislead her ... as the responders are saying.
This man told her BEFORE she slept with him, that he wasn't interested in a relationship.
:::: shakes head ::::
I don't suffer stupid people.
What I don't understand is why he talked to her afterwards. I would think after they had sex there was no point for him to contact her further.
Not making excuses for her behavior, I don't get why he chose to keep in contact with her. Obviously not for a relationship. This I saw as an attempt by him to keep getting sex from her, which is something he knew will happen again if he lets her run with the delusions of being more than what it was.
Not making excuses for her behavior, I don't get why he chose to keep in contact with her. Obviously not for a relationship. This I saw as an attempt by him to keep getting sex from her, which is something he knew will happen again if he lets her run with the delusions of being more than what it was.
Posted by Damnata
This I saw as an attempt by him to keep getting sex from her, which is something he knew will happen again if he lets her run with the delusions of being more than what it was.
But, that's not his problem, nor is it leading her astray ... since he told her, and she made the choice to sleep with him anyway.
The question isn't whether he's angel or not, or whether he's wrong, or right ... because he hasn't spoken and the only thing you are aware of is what she has said, and her interpretation of events is severely slanted due to hurt feelings.
why do you have to be told this?
What's in question is HER actions ... because she spoke them directly to us.
And her actions are such: She was told that there was no chance at a relationship and that he had other women, and fucks them. Because she like him, she decided to enter into fwb relationship with him. Now, she's upset because he only wants to fuck her.
That is NOT being lead astray .. if anything, she's the one deceptive because she agreed to fuck without commitment when in reality ... she wanted a commitment.
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
He didn't mislead her or lie to her. Like I said, the only place I saw where he really went wrong was when he left ambiguity after he said he wouldn't. By telling her that if she stuck around she might have a chance, a few months, a year down the road... when she has NO chance at all.
Then perhaps, the problem here is I don't get men ....
So, if you have this piece of ass, you tell her nothing to get more ... you don't tap into what she wants to hear .. you tell there's no chance .... and by telling her that - her panties come down?
willingly?
seriously?
He told her that he only wants to have to sex ..... period.
Everything after that was his game, working his piece of ass to deliver at his command.
Here's a piece of advise for you, which it looks like you need: A person cannot fool you, if you're not a fool.
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
... she needed to talk to him to find the definite truth.
What she found out now, was exactly what he told her then.
That means, she's the one who spun all of this fantasy.
She is told that she needs to talk to him to find out where she stands ... when he told her where she stands on day one. The fact that she drifted off to la-la-land and misread, misunderstood, every nuance .. isn't his responsibility to clarify.
Why should HE be accountable in understanding her for her?
it's fucking absurd .....
How people treat you is according to how you teach them to treat you.
He basically told her that she will be treated like all the other cheap whores he has.
She agrees that it is acceptable to be treated like a cheap whore.
The fact that he does treat her like he said he would, upon her acceptance .... does NOT make him in the wrong.
this the part you all don't seem to understand.
From your reality, because you have dignity and respect ... you aren't capable to comprehending how this treatment is right. So, what you is remove yourself, because it's about how YOU would want to be treated.
Again ... she has agreed by allowing him access repeatedly to her kitty, under those conditions. And by virtue of her actions, he is ALLOWED to treat her that way.
And how you feel you want to be treated is irrelevant.
I don't want to post my personal experience but just want to say I feel for you and wish you the best of luck. I would head for the hills with what's left of your respect and dignity. Be by yourself for a while.
But I'm going to warn you that once you end the fling he might not go away. I can't get rid of mine. I've tried a dozen times. I think he loves to torture me. I think if I moved to another state or country there he'll be moving in next door. LOL!
But I'm going to warn you that once you end the fling he might not go away. I can't get rid of mine. I've tried a dozen times. I think he loves to torture me. I think if I moved to another state or country there he'll be moving in next door. LOL!
He thinks we're BFFs now. Like Jerry Seinfeld and Elaine. Except I dance better. He left me alone for a month but figured that was enough for me to get over my "feelings". He's not being a bunny boiler about it just I tried to get rid of him and he refuses.
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
... she is stupid for even asking a question ...
She's not stupid for asking a question ... she's stupid for asking THAT question.
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
.... at least we gave her the confidence to face the guy and get HER problem resolved.
Now that is funny.
Let me guess ... you think she was looking for a solution.
You really have no clue that women are looking for affirmation, not a solution ... do you?
lol
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
..... you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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I'll clue you in on a little secret ... I'm not trying to catch flies. In fact, I'm not trying anything.
I'm accomplishing my goal, not trying .. which is to slap that fly for being an idiot, in spite of herself.
You go ahead and stick your chest out believing that she is all better now, believing she can rest easy now that she knows for certain she was one of his pieces of ass.
Oh, yeah .. now that she knows that for sure .... every thing peachy.
rflmao
wow, Cancers sure are manipulative little cunts
Posted by P-Angel
How people treat you is according to how you teach them to treat you.
He basically told her that she will be treated like all the other cheap whores he has.
She agrees that it is acceptable to be treated like a cheap whore.
The fact that he does treat her like he said he would, upon her acceptance .... does NOT make him in the wrong.
this the part you all don't seem to understand.
Got it now. Yes, if I think of that I was projecting how I would react, based on a wrong premise - that my conduit would be the same.
what a great conversation
Posted by kissmygrits
He left me alone for a month but figured that was enough for me to get over my "feelings". He's not being a bunny boiler about it just I tried to get rid of him and he refuses.
If you didn't want him in your life.. he wouldn't be.
who are you trying to fool with "you can't get rid of him and you've tried a dozen times." are you doing him a favour by keeping in touch or are you suffering through his communication
please
skimmed, but....
Posted by SoftEnergy
Hello All!
Met this Pisces guy about a month ago
Eight or so pages and aaaallllll this over someone who's only been in your life for 1/12 of 1 year of your entire life? Someone you barely even know? All I saw after ^^^^^ that was:
Posted by SoftEnergy
Hello All!
I am new to this forum and am so grateful that I stumble upon it. Thank you in advance to those of you who can offer an information/non-judgmental insight to my situation. I apologize in advance as it is going to be a rather long post.
Met this Pisces guy about a month ago and at first he was blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahclick to expand
Don't let anyone rent space in your head/heart/or bed for free - especially people you don't know.
^^^ I think you missed a couple of blahs lol 😛
"Don't let anyone rent space in your head/heart/or bed for free - especially people you don't know."
+ infinity!
+ infinity!
Posted by djbuck1
Holy Mary, Mother of God . . .
Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death - Amen?
Posted by cornfuzzled4ever
But consider this- if everyone took the approach that you do, that is to say belittling the OP (as you do everyone) and suggesting that she is stupid for even asking a question- where would that leave her? Do you really think she would have just walked away fully accepting that she was just another piece of ass to this guy? Or do you think she would have found a way to convince herself that we're all a bunch of internet assholes, and use that view to disregarded any advice we gave her? Personally, I think its the latter. Whatever criticisms you may have for me and anyone else's suggestions, at least we gave her the confidence to face the guy and get HER (not yours, HER) problem resolved. Here's a piece of advice for you- you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And not many people really want to listen to a bitter old bitch.
Thank you, Corn. Just what I've been thinking all along, just didn't want to bother to say it. I don't read her posts anyway, just scroll down through them, so no harm 🙂But I realize that there are some people who do read her rants and some people get affected by negative rude comments more than she can even imagine, but how could she? Someone who lacks Emotional Intelligence can never be concerned with feelings of others. They think they are so smart and so know it all, when in reality, they can never touch others' hearts or be touched by other people's feelings because they know nothing of compassion...
As for all other people's comments, the thing is, he never told me up front straight up: "All I want is to have sex with you and that's it. You down?" That never came out of his mouth. It was later when I started to put things together, his on and off behavior and things he was telling me when I was asking him probing questions. And it was only in the final conversation, which thanks to you Corn and a couple others, who had encouraged me to have, that I had some straight answers, but even then, were they even that clear? I don't know....But what I know is this. When I decided that I was just gonna go and have sex with him one time and that would be it, that thought process was due to my protective mechanism, most likely on the unconscious level, because I already felt that I could fall for a guy from the first time we met, there was something about him that I I guess I picked up on, again probably intuitively.
So to tell myself that all I am going to do is to just try and let loose, which like I said I had not done before, seemed like a pretty safe option to me then. And I should've never agreed to see him again after that when he asked me but I did. The end result, well you all know it. I started to grow to like him more, the more time we were spending together. Well, if that is such a crime, then I rest my case. But I think no one can ever know how they will react to someone down the road from day one. I could've gone on date 3 and 4 and be like wow this guy is NOT what I want. But it didn't happen that way, which led me to the point where you all have seen me now.
Again, I don't care what P-A says because she talks out of her ass without really knowing people. So to me it's just white noise and disturbance on the screen. I don't pay attention to negative abusive unhappy people. But I DO care for those of you who have posted some very valid and insightful comments and you have no idea how much I appreciate that. What has come out of this whole forum sharing is me realizing that as much as I am hurting about the outcome, I am also seeing some amazing things from it, such as my willingness to trust stranger, because let's face it, none of us really know each other. Yes, we share our problems, concerns and opinions with one another. I am also seeing that as much as I was upset by this man's answer, I admire him for at least being honest with me. What he did, most men don't do and I mean most will take the easy way out and try to make up shit and lie. Most men that I have ever dealt with, who happened to be players or just not in the right state of mind to be in a relationship, would not even bother to talk or hear me out or try to explain anything. This guy did. He was pretty honest about the situation, maybe too honest, but that deserves major respect. Again, yes things he said were pretty upsetting but I can step outside of my hurt feelings to see that he had a decency to tell me what he told me.
Now, as the day is coming to an end and I've had some time to be busy with things and some moments to ponder, recall and analyze our conversation last night, I know that it is up to me now to make a decision. I can either stay and continue with this guy, knowing what I know now, or I can walk away. And it is clear to me, that I respect myself enough to not continue to willingly agree to be just another woman. I know what I can offer to a man and I am not willin
Again, I don't care what P-A says because she talks out of her ass without really knowing people. So to me it's just white noise and disturbance on the screen. I don't pay attention to negative abusive unhappy people. But I DO care for those of you who have posted some very valid and insightful comments and you have no idea how much I appreciate that. What has come out of this whole forum sharing is me realizing that as much as I am hurting about the outcome, I am also seeing some amazing things from it, such as my willingness to trust stranger, because let's face it, none of us really know each other. Yes, we share our problems, concerns and opinions with one another. I am also seeing that as much as I was upset by this man's answer, I admire him for at least being honest with me. What he did, most men don't do and I mean most will take the easy way out and try to make up shit and lie. Most men that I have ever dealt with, who happened to be players or just not in the right state of mind to be in a relationship, would not even bother to talk or hear me out or try to explain anything. This guy did. He was pretty honest about the situation, maybe too honest, but that deserves major respect. Again, yes things he said were pretty upsetting but I can step outside of my hurt feelings to see that he had a decency to tell me what he told me.
Now, as the day is coming to an end and I've had some time to be busy with things and some moments to ponder, recall and analyze our conversation last night, I know that it is up to me now to make a decision. I can either stay and continue with this guy, knowing what I know now, or I can walk away. And it is clear to me, that I respect myself enough to not continue to willingly agree to be just another woman. I know what I can offer to a man and I am not willin
g to waste my energy on someone who is OK to just let me walk away if I choose to do so. If he is OK with either - me being there or me leaving his life, then I know that I will be OK to let him be gone from my life. And yes he already texted me today being all sweet and loving but I know that it's just a game for him to see how much he's got me all swooned by his sweetness, and to be honest, it feel like a fucking drug that I crave, again from what I have experienced with him, and no, I don't just mean the amazing sex, it's the overall experience of being with him, it's like being in a different world, away from my reality, which is pretty structured and rigid and where I often find myself suffocating. With him, it was just freedom from all the social norms and beliefs and opinions of others, acting certain way because that is what you are supposed to do and doing certain things because that is what your parents what to see happen in your life. Anyway, I can keep going but the point is, as much as I can relive in my head just how exhilarating of an experience it was to be with him, I also know that he can't give me what I want and that is the feeling of being wanted and needed by someone. When I love, I love hard and I will never except anything less than that. I want to be with someone who wants to be with me, not with 10 other women. Someone who is fully on and not just 100% while with me and then once I am not around, his mind is gone somewhere else. I've also realized that this thing that he does when he is 100% on with me while we are spending time together is really nothing more than an illusionary feeling of being loved, admired and cared for because again, it's only there in that moment that he is capable of showing those emotions, but they are not there, they are not constant feelings that a person who is truly into someone would be experiencing.
So with that, I feel that crossing paths with this man has added to my overall life experience and even enriched it in some way. The hurt and sadness will stay with me for a while, yes. But I am wise enough to look deep down and past those personal feelings of being rejected by someone to understand that this has also caused me to grow as a person and see things from different angles and through the eyes of many other people.
So with that, I feel that crossing paths with this man has added to my overall life experience and even enriched it in some way. The hurt and sadness will stay with me for a while, yes. But I am wise enough to look deep down and past those personal feelings of being rejected by someone to understand that this has also caused me to grow as a person and see things from different angles and through the eyes of many other people.
Posted by Andalusia
TBH, I only skimmed, but....
Posted by SoftEnergy
Hello All!
Met this Pisces guy about a month ago
Eight or so pages and aaaallllll this over someone who's only been in your life for 1/12 of 1 year of your entire life? Someone you barely even know? All I saw after ^^^^^ that was:
Posted by SoftEnergy
Hello All!
I am new to this forum and am so grateful that I stumble upon it. Thank you in advance to those of you who can offer an information/non-judgmental insight to my situation. I apologize in advance as it is going to be a rather long post.
Met this Pisces guy about a month ago and at first he was blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Don't let anyone rent space in your head/heart/or bed for free - especially people you don't know.click to expand
Andalusia, very funny, thank you for the laugh 🙂
Posted by kissmygrits
I don't want to post my personal experience but just want to say I feel for you and wish you the best of luck. I would head for the hills with what's left of your respect and dignity. Be by yourself for a while.
But I'm going to warn you that once you end the fling he might not go away. I can't get rid of mine. I've tried a dozen times. I think he loves to torture me. I think if I moved to another state or country there he'll be moving in next door. LOL!
Interesting to read this, thank you for sharing Kiss. A girl at work, who is also Cancer like you, and I had a convo today and she knows about my situation. She had also had a relationship with a Pisces guy, who was similar to the guy I described, just not to such an extreme. But she said something between the lines of what you said - they stay around and he will come back, but by that time you won't care because you have moved on....
Posted by IrresistableScorpPosted by IrresistableScorp
Never make an ultimatum or issue discussion on what he's doing wrong etc. Bad form. Simply only accept behavior that you find acceptable. No need to talk so much about it.
If you want, simply tell him that you have thought about it and this situation isn't your thing so you'll be pulling out now. Then wish him a nice life. And set about moving on.
Don't get sucked into a conversation about it. Say your piece then leave. 🙂
^^this. You may want to add a wink at the end while thinking : so long sucka!!
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Thank you, IS, always a pleasure to read your posts 🙂 I can't be rude or disrespectful to other people, just not in my nature, so I just told him that I appreciated him being willing to have the conversation we had and thanked him for being honest as I believe that it's only then, when someone is completely honest with others and themselves, that one can be at total peace. And that is where I will leave it at...
Not you, my dear shelly ...
Posted by SoftEnergy
Met this Pisces guy about a month ago and ....
.... He was pretty open about him being in a state of his life where ....
.... He has been dating and told me that he can either just see a girl as someone to have sex with and nothing more than that or there are those who he sees as a potential g/f material.
He is always clear about his intentions and always tells women which category they fall into.
If a woman asks which he says most of them never do, where they stand, he will always be honest and upfront.
He never sends mixed signals, because if it's just sex, he will never do anything more than calling her up and being like hey what are you doing? You wanna come over? None of the things like calling/texting, making plans, going out, doing other things would ever take place.
.... he wanted to be intimate right away but I have never jumped into anything sexual with a guy on date one, so I declined.
... we had an out of this world chemistry and had a pretty hot make out session in the car that night. He continued to call/text until we agreed to meet again about a week later.
I decided that I will break my rules for once in my lifetime and will go see him with an intention to just have sex and that would be the end of it.
One week ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and you fuck him with no strings attached, KNOWING FULL WELL that it was for sexual purposes ONLY.
Then in your stupidity, you come in here and say the below ....
blockquote>Posted by SoftEnergy
.... the thing is, he never told me up front straight up: "All I want is to have sex with you and that's it. You down?" That never came out of his mouth. It was later when I started to put things together, his on and off behavior and things he was telling me when I was asking him probing questions.
This reading between the lines, that you CLAIM you are good at, was suppose to be in place here.
But, you suck at reading between the lines ...
So, now you are going to claim that a person has to tell you outright, word for word, what your minds needs to hear in order for you to keep you from slutting yourself.
You're lying your ass off and any person with a smidgeon of common sense realizes that in order for you to go against your own rules in fucking means you knew perfectly well, what you were doing.
so, you can't then turn around and claim you didn't know any better because he didn't say it outright.
You're an idiot, if you think you're going to outsmart another person.
A week .... one fucking week in knowing a guy, to whom just told you his intentions .... and you break your rules to slut yourself because you wanted to know what it feels like.
Your words ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ bitch. See quote above.
so don't think for one minute, you're going to fool anyone here .... you've already been figured out and anything you say after that is babble.
Posted by shellshockerPosted by kissmygrits
He left me alone for a month but figured that was enough for me to get over my "feelings". He's not being a bunny boiler about it just I tried to get rid of him and he refuses.
If you didn't want him in your life.. he wouldn't be.
who are you trying to fool with "you can't get rid of him and you've tried a dozen times." are you doing him a favour by keeping in touch or are you suffering through his communication
please
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Please indeed. I've told him many times to let me be so I can move on. He'll bring me stuff as peace offerings. He finally left me alone but only because he went 100 miles away to do family holiday stuff. He sent me a Merry Xmas text which was polite so I replied back but then he started drunk texting me again. I'm ignoring those. Since the direct "let me be" didn't work I'm hoping the passive aggressive ignore will work.
And this has nothing to do with astrology. So what if he's a Pisces. Everybody is different. The main thing is he's a kid. I don't think he has grown up yet. He wants everyone to like him. I remember someone posting "blame their chart not their sun sign" I saw a post about a woman in a FWB and she's developed feelings so I was suggesting to her to get out while she can. Sounded similar to my mistake. I will never do that again. I don't see how that's manipulative. It is what it is.
Posted by IrresistableScorpPosted by SoftEnergyPosted by IrresistableScorpPosted by IrresistableScorp
Never make an ultimatum or issue discussion on what he's doing wrong etc. Bad form. Simply only accept behavior that you find acceptable. No need to talk so much about it.
If you want, simply tell him that you have thought about it and this situation isn't your thing so you'll be pulling out now. Then wish him a nice life. And set about moving on.
Don't get sucked into a conversation about it. Say your piece then leave. 🙂
^^this. You may want to add a wink at the end while thinking : so long sucka!!
😄
Thank you, IS, always a pleasure to read your posts 🙂 I can't be rude or disrespectful to other people, just not in my nature, so I just told him that I appreciated him being willing to have the conversation we had and thanked him for being honest as I believe that it's only then, when someone is completely honest with others and themselves, that one can be at total peace. And that is where I will leave it at...
Nothing rude about having the balls to walk away from a situation that is not working and to leave in such a way that you come out the other side with *more* dignity and esteem.
What you are doing is rationalizing bad behavior--yours and his. How do I know that? Because you are talking too much. Talking only leads to more rounds of this behavior. If you have convictions, which you originally stated that you do, there is no need to talk it through. There is only need to act on that conviction.
Darling this opinion is based on real world experience. Talking through a conviction always leads to setting that conviction aside--at least one more time. 🙂
Men will respect a woman who has a conviction and follows through on it. Those are the women men look to for long term. Any air head can have a spoken conviction and give that up over the lamest of lines. It happens all the time in man world. It's the thing men laugh about and the women they continue to toy with. Smhclick to expand
+1 Well said err typed err posted! 😄
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It's in the OP ... he told her straight up that he isn't looking for a relationship and that he sleeps with women. She then made the decision to sleep with him.
She wasn't coerced, she wasn't tricked and she wasn't manipulated.
In her own words .. he never sent mixed signals.
So, I have no fucking clue why people are lying to her ... unless of course, as I said, I'm the only one who actually read this.