Thinking of ending my 16 yr. friendship w/ my best friend bc of a lack of support for a milestone

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I’ve (32) known my best friend/childhood (31/Leo) for 16 years. Things have been off for between us for months.

1. I moved this summer my very first place ever - an apartment in the city. I moved a few hours away from home to a major city where all of us (my girlfriends and I) are currently living. In October I said I was going to have a housewarming. Instead of having people come over I decided to make reservations at a restaurant for brunch as kind of a celebration. I didn’t get anything at the brunch from my best friend but I didn’t say anything at that time. Another month goes by and still nothing, not even a card, so I was pretty hurt, especially because I made a registry so it’s not like this was some surprise to her. So, I finally decide to invite her to dinner so that we could talk.

I told her that I had been upset because she didn’t get a gift or even a card congratulating me on apartment. She asked if I was upset with our other friends because they didn’t get her a gift either. I told her I wasn’t upset with the others, only her because she’s known me the longest. She said that she didn’t care about things like this, but wanted to point out to me that I didn’t get her a housewarming gift either. I told her we (friend group) got her a combo gift for her birthday. She said, again, it’s not that I care about gifts but ask yourself are you holding yourself to the same standard as others and then pointed out how I didn’t didn’t a gift for the other girls when they got promotions, moved, etc. We had an event to go to in a few weeks, so, I guess she wanted to smooth things over and she got me a gift. We moved on from it, or so I thought.

2. Last Monday she sent a group texting trying to organize a gift for our mutual good friend’s upcoming birthday (we always do group gifts). She introduced me to these group of friends 10 years ago so we are all very very close. The birthday girl is also the other friend who didn’t get me a housewarming gift that I was referring to in part 1. Anywho, she sent a text saying she was thinking of having a masseuse come to our mutual friend’s house and asked we were okay with $ 30 a piece. One friend had something really bad happen to her so she said that she couldn’t. I replied and said no.

She called and asked me what I meant by no. She asked was it too much, didn’t want to do it, had another gift in mind? I was honest and told her that I wanted to focus on myself financially and wasn’t doing any gifts. So, she then said well maybe we should stop doing gifts altogether. I told her that I wouldn’t be offended if we did that. She then asked me where I got my massage (posted it on IG earlier l) and how much was it because she wanted to get one myself. I told her it was off some road and I had a voucher so I didn’t pay. This really rubbed me the wrong way as if she was trying to check on the money I was spending since I told her no to the birthday gift. Then she asked how my Christmas was and I asked about her NYE plans and then we got off the phone. She texted me later and asked for the name of the spa so she could book it. I didn’t respond. That entire exchange really offended me.

Two days later I got a text asking if I was okay. I told her was just going through a spiritual cleanse and reflecting right now but I was okay. She told me that she was glad that I was okay because she thought I was upset with her since I didn’t respond to her text. Then she sent a follow up text asking if we were okay though. I said she just didn’t have the energy to respond the other day to her asking for the name of the spa.She didn’t respond.

It’s not about the gift but what it represents - showing support. I feel like she wasn’t being supportive. I made a registry, so clearly this was important to me as it was a big milestone in my life, so why would she disregard that? She managed to get a housewarming gift for our friend (the birthday girl in the OP) when she bought her house. So, why not me? Like I said, not even a card to acknowledge this milestone?

Plus, when I had first moved in I was carrying in a case of water with a bag of eggs as well. She didn’t help me and I broke some of my eggs. I told her about this as well and let her know if it was some random person on the street she would’ve helped them but I needed to let her know. So, she just seems selfish - typical Leo I guess?

Both she and the friendship with her just seems so exhausting, especially at our age. I’m thinking of cutting her off but I don’t know if I’m just being reactionary. On the other hand, I have known her for so long.

My fellow Pisces, should I end the friendship?
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I’ve (32) known my best friend/childhood (31/Leo) for 16 years. Things have been off for between us for months.

1. I moved this summer my very first place ever - an apartment in the city. I moved a few hours away from home to a major city where all of us (my girlfriends and I) are currently living. In October I said I was going to have a housewarming. Instead of having people come over I decided to make reservations at a restaurant for brunch as kind of a celebration. I didn’t get anything at the brunch from my best friend but I didn’t say anything at that time. Another month goes by and still nothing, not even a card, so I was pretty hurt, especially because I made a registry so it’s not like this was some surprise to her. So, I finally decide to invite her to dinner so that we could talk.

I told her that I had been upset because she didn’t get a gift or even a card congratulating me on apartment. She asked if I was upset with our other friends because they didn’t get her a gift either. I told her I wasn’t upset with the others, only her because she’s known me the longest. She said that she didn’t care about things like this, but wanted to point out to me that I didn’t get her a housewarming gift either. I told her we (friend group) got her a combo gift for her birthday. She said, again, it’s not that I care about gifts but ask yourself are you holding yourself to the same standard as others and then pointed out how I didn’t didn’t a gift for the other girls when they got promotions, moved, etc. We had an event to go to in a few weeks, so, I guess she wanted to smooth things over and she got me a gift. We moved on from it, or so I thought.

2. Last Monday she sent a group texting trying to organize a gift for our mutual good friend’s upcoming birthday (we always do group gifts). She introduced me to these group of friends 10 years ago so we are all very very close. The birthday girl is also the other friend who didn’t get me a housewarming gift that I was referring to in part 1. Anywho, she sent a text saying she was thinking of having a masseuse come to our mutual friend’s house and asked we were okay with $ 30 a piece. One friend had something really bad happen to her so she said that she couldn’t. I replied and said no.

She called and asked me what I meant by no. She asked was it too much, didn’t want to do it, had another gift in mind? I was honest and told her that I wanted to focus on myself financially and wasn’t doing any gifts. So, she then said well maybe we should stop doing gifts altogether. I told her that I wouldn’t be offended if we did that. She then asked me where I got my massage (posted it on IG earlier l) and how much was it because she wanted to get one myself. I told her it was off some road and I had a voucher so I didn’t pay. This really rubbed me the wrong way as if she was trying to check on the money I was spending since I told her no to the birthday gift. Then she asked how my Christmas was and I asked about her NYE plans and then we got off the phone. She texted me later and asked for the name of the spa so she could book it. I didn’t respond. That entire exchange really offended me.

Two days later I got a text asking if I was okay. I told her was just going through a spiritual cleanse and reflecting right now but I was okay. She told me that she was glad that I was okay because she thought I was upset with her since I didn’t respond to her text. Then she sent a follow up text asking if we were okay though. I said she just didn’t have the energy to respond the other day to her asking for the name of the spa.She didn’t respond.

It’s not about the gift but what it represents - showing support. I feel like she wasn’t being supportive. I made a registry, so clearly this was important to me as it was a big milestone in my life, so why would she disregard that? She managed to get a housewarming gift for our friend (the birthday girl in the OP) when she bought her house. So, why not me? Like I said, not even a card to acknowledge this milestone?

Plus, when I had first moved in I was carrying in a case of water with a bag of eggs as well. She didn’t help me and I broke some of my eggs. I told her about this as well and let her know if it was some random person on the street she would’ve helped them but I needed to let her know. So, she just seems selfish - typical Leo I guess?

Both she and the friendship with her just seems so exhausting, especially at our age. I’m thinking of cutting her off but I don’t know if I’m just being reactionary. On the other hand, I have known her for so long.

My fellow Pisces, should I end the friendship?


Relax. Take a break from your circle. Settle into your new situation and see what happens.

On the other hand i ended a 17 year frienfship with a pisces too, but it was a long way in the making. I felt like a weight had lifted.
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Do you own or rent?

If you rent and threw a “house warming” I wouldn’t do anything either as a I don’t believe people should be decreasing the value and significance of buying an actual house for a house warming. I seen people do registries for apartments that they don’t own and I don’t get it personally.

Good for you for saying no because you don’t want to spend money. That’s your right. Just like others have their right not to spend their money on you.

It’s like people throwing extravagant baby showers because the wedding ain’t never coming .

If the other girl ACTUALLY brought a house, then clearly she deserving of a house warming gift, if she chooses to accept them or if you choose to give it.

So you have Capricorn in your chart?
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Posted by Maxian

Actually people who calculate who gets what from who, that's not a real friendship. You keep telling that you don't care about the gift while you go on and on about the gift. YOUR BEST FRIEND should be the gift. Geez.


I USED to suffer from keeping score and it was because of the lack of reciprocity.

So I stopped buying gifts, stop going to extra mile for everybody. I waited to see who was going to do for me. Family included. I stopped buying expensive gifts when all I got was tshirts.

What do you know, I’m a lot happier because I pulled back and I no longer have to keep score.

Life’s great
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When you throw a housewarming party the expectation is you provide the food and drink and your friends get you gag gifts like toilet paper.

You booked a reservation at a restaurant. So on top of having people purchase a meal to “celebrate” your adult milestone you also expected presents? I’m not sure I follow that logic.

The gift was them showing up and celebrating you at the venue of your choice.

I’m trying to wrap my head around why you are so mad.

You were upset that she didn’t get you a gift. You told her that and she went ahead and got you a gift…

You didn’t want to pitch in to buy your mutual friend a bday gift cause you were salty that they didn’t buy you a housewarming gift. Fine. No worries she said. She’s trying to set up the group gift and find a massage place. Knowing you recently got one she was asking for feedback to see whether she should use that same Buisness. Why you got offended over that is anyone’s guess.

I see a lot of passive aggressive behavior in you. If you need help carrying in your eggs, ASK.

Don’t be mad at your friend for not helping when YOU broke them. Be mad at yourself for not asking her to give you a hand. People can’t read minds… even after 16 yrs of friendship.

The whole tit for tat and keeping track of who does what is not a true friendship. Gifts are freely given, not guilted out of the person.

Next time you throw an event with the expectation of gifts make sure your guests are aware of your expectations.
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Reread it and I’m still confused about how she isn’t supportive.

She showed up at your restaurant celebration.

She visits you (not helping you carry eggs aside)

She includes you in group texts to keep you informed on the groups plans.

She values your recommendations for a spa.

She doesn’t take it personal when you ignore her texts for days and even reaches out to check on you to make sure you are ok.

You call her selfish but your whole post is just talking about me me me and how other people aren’t giving you the attention and gifts you expect. Do you even bother asking her about her life? Do you check in on her? Cause it seems very one sided from how you described with her doing the brunt of the labor in this friendship.

Congrats on your first place tho.
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Putting together a registry for a housewarming party is pretty ridiculous. Whether you rent or own.

I feel like unless you are having a baby, those fuckers are pricey af, any other registry is real goofy. Especially wedding registry’s. Like congrats you now have another person to help you pay bills. You really need all your single friends and elderly relatives on fixed income to buy you expensive bakeware? Fuck off.

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I have a very close Pisces friend and she would never think like you do.

Your friendship sounds very transactional - buy me a gift = being a good friend. WTF? You say it's not about the gift, well I say BS to that. If this is a friend for so many years and this is how you measure her support (or lack of it) it's pretty sad.

Unless she has failed you in other ways with showing a lack of support, then you are wrong. You say things are off and on between you. Try talking to her like the adult you are and clear the air. My friends hold me accountable when I'm being out of line as I do them. We don't go to our separate corners and sulk.
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Putting together a registry for a housewarming party is pretty ridiculous. Whether you rent or own.

I feel like unless you are having a baby, those fuckers are pricey af, any other registry is real goofy. Especially wedding registry’s. Like congrats you now have another person to help you pay bills. You really need all your single friends and elderly relatives on fixed income to buy you expensive bakeware? Fuck off.

Didn't even know such a registry existed. Thought the fun of moving out was progressing from crappy paper dishes to target ceramic dishware sets. 🤔

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Neither did I. Op just wants her friends to buy those cute dish sets.

Kinda a brilliant scam really.

I moved like 9xs over the last 10 years or less. Here I am the biggest chump hosting friends at my new place and feeding them and providing the liquor and herb. Should've been making a pottery barn registry lmao.
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Posted by pianos_ocelots

I’ve (32) known my best friend/childhood (31/Leo) for 16 years. Things have been off for between us for months.

1. I moved this summer my very first place ever - an apartment in the city. I moved a few hours away from home to a major city where all of us (my girlfriends and I) are currently living. In October I said I was going to have a housewarming. Instead of having people come over I decided to make reservations at a restaurant for brunch as kind of a celebration. I didn’t get anything at the brunch from my best friend but I didn’t say anything at that time. Another month goes by and still nothing, not even a card, so I was pretty hurt, especially because I made a registry so it’s not like this was some surprise to her. So, I finally decide to invite her to dinner so that we could talk.

I told her that I had been upset because she didn’t get a gift or even a card congratulating me on apartment. She asked if I was upset with our other friends because they didn’t get her a gift either. I told her I wasn’t upset with the others, only her because she’s known me the longest. She said that she didn’t care about things like this, but wanted to point out to me that I didn’t get her a housewarming gift either. I told her we (friend group) got her a combo gift for her birthday. She said, again, it’s not that I care about gifts but ask yourself are you holding yourself to the same standard as others and then pointed out how I didn’t didn’t a gift for the other girls when they got promotions, moved, etc. We had an event to go to in a few weeks, so, I guess she wanted to smooth things over and she got me a gift. We moved on from it, or so I thought.

2. Last Monday she sent a group texting trying to organize a gift for our mutual good friend’s upcoming birthday (we always do group gifts). She introduced me to these group of friends 10 years ago so we are all very very close. The birthday girl is also the other friend who didn’t get me a housewarming gift that I was referring to in part 1. Anywho, she sent a text saying she was thinking of having a masseuse come to our mutual friend’s house and asked we were okay with $ 30 a piece. One friend had something really bad happen to her so she said that she couldn’t. I replied and said no.

She called and asked me what I meant by no. She asked was it too much, didn’t want to do it, had another gift in mind? I was honest and told her that I wanted to focus on myself financially and wasn’t doing any gifts. So, she then said well maybe we should stop doing gifts altogether. I told her that I wouldn’t be offended if we did that. She then asked me where I got my massage (posted it on IG earlier l) and how much was it because she wanted to get one myself. I told her it was off some road and I had a voucher so I didn’t pay. This really rubbed me the wrong way as if she was trying to check on the money I was spending since I told her no to the birthday gift. Then she asked how my Christmas was and I asked about her NYE plans and then we got off the phone. She texted me later and asked for the name of the spa so she could book it. I didn’t respond. That entire exchange really offended me.

Two days later I got a text asking if I was okay. I told her was just going through a spiritual cleanse and reflecting right now but I was okay. She told me that she was glad that I was okay because she thought I was upset with her since I didn’t respond to her text. Then she sent a follow up text asking if we were okay though. I said she just didn’t have the energy to respond the other day to her asking for the name of the spa.She didn’t respond.

It’s not about the gift but what it represents - showing support. I feel like she wasn’t being supportive. I made a registry, so clearly this was important to me as it was a big milestone in my life, so why would she disregard that? She managed to get a housewarming gift for our friend (the birthday girl in the OP) when she bought her house. So, why not me? Like I said, not even a card to acknowledge this milestone?

Plus, when I had first moved in I was carrying in a case of water with a bag of eggs as well. She didn’t help me and I broke some of my eggs. I told her about this as well and let her know if it was some random person on the street she would’ve helped them but I needed to let her know. So, she just seems selfish - typical Leo I guess?

Both she and the friendship with her just seems so exhausting, especially at our age. I’m thinking of cutting her off but I don’t know if I’m just being reactionary. On the other hand, I have known her for so long.

My fellow Pisces, should I end the friendship?

I get it, you feel like you've been taken for granted. I think part of it is reactionary, and maybe for now you just need space from your friend so you can reflect on why she may be acting that way. I like to stay optimistic...you've known this individual for a long time, I think it is at least worth giving it another shot.
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Damn. This poor woman got destroyed lol

I was going to comment something negative as well, but nevermind.

The pisces got driven away lol. But some of the things she said in the first post are precisely why I would have a hard time getting along with some water signs as friends.

yeah, we can be petty. she did wrote at some point that this isn't really about gifts but about the support. so instead on focusing on a real issue, all i saw was gifts, money, who gives what, when...

She seems to equate gifts/money/card to showing support, because clearly the Leo friend showing up doesn't count lol.
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What's wild is that after she told the Leo that it bothered her that she didn't get a gift the Leo went out an bought her a gift. And she is still mad!

This is not a water sign thing. This is a bratty entitled thing.

I suspect something else is going on behind the scenes because it doesn't add up to me.
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Damn. This poor woman got destroyed lol

I was going to comment something negative as well, but nevermind.

The pisces got driven away lol. But some of the things she said in the first post are precisely why I would have a hard time getting along with some water signs as friends.

Ha!

The water signs can barely stand each other.

To add comment to OP:

I am having a housewarming party in the summer for my new house to celebrate. I’m inviting a bunch of people and it’s just going to be one big party. I don’t expect or care if anyone buys me anything. But I am making a wishlist on Amazon if people are so inclined to buy me a gift.

In the words of @mystarsshine

“Don’t have any expectations and you will not be disappointed.”
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My Virgo ex passed that wisdom onto me 👍
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wtaf happened in here?

come on now, worse things have happened in life.

probably all sorts of matters accumulated over the years between these two ....and now there is a shift.

even friendships can be toxic, not only soulmate connections lol.

jfc.

Then ESPECIALLY if worse things have happened over the years, something mundane as a gift should be a non issue. Emphasis here is definitely about the gift and not the depth of the friendship.
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maybe it was not clear enough; there are worse things to happen in life than a friendship breaking.

i think the issue with the gift is a catalyst for many underlying dynamics.

if it´s toxic - friendship or not - it´s better to part ways and take some time to re-evaluate what one seeks in a friendship.
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Yikes you come of entitled, petty and passive aggressive. If you have had the house warming celebration at your own place I guess people might have showed up with gifts but at a restaurant I feel your friends showing up and celebrating it should be enough.

At first I thought you were going to say that she didn't show up and that's why you're mad but I can't believe you would go that far as to complain to her about a gift. And then she even got you a gift and you're still mad and acting petty and passive aggressive and now you don't want to give the other girl a gift because you're still holding a grudge over it. 🙄

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Posted by pianos_ocelots

I’ve (32) known my best friend/childhood (31/Leo) for 16 years. Things have been off for between us for months.

1. I moved this summer my very first place ever - an apartment in the city. I moved a few hours away from home to a major city where all of us (my girlfriends and I) are currently living. In October I said I was going to have a housewarming. Instead of having people come over I decided to make reservations at a restaurant for brunch as kind of a celebration. I didn’t get anything at the brunch from my best friend but I didn’t say anything at that time. Another month goes by and still nothing, not even a card, so I was pretty hurt, especially because I made a registry so it’s not like this was some surprise to her. So, I finally decide to invite her to dinner so that we could talk.

I told her that I had been upset because she didn’t get a gift or even a card congratulating me on apartment. She asked if I was upset with our other friends because they didn’t get her a gift either. I told her I wasn’t upset with the others, only her because she’s known me the longest. She said that she didn’t care about things like this, but wanted to point out to me that I didn’t get her a housewarming gift either. I told her we (friend group) got her a combo gift for her birthday. She said, again, it’s not that I care about gifts but ask yourself are you holding yourself to the same standard as others and then pointed out how I didn’t didn’t a gift for the other girls when they got promotions, moved, etc. We had an event to go to in a few weeks, so, I guess she wanted to smooth things over and she got me a gift. We moved on from it, or so I thought.

2. Last Monday she sent a group texting trying to organize a gift for our mutual good friend’s upcoming birthday (we always do group gifts). She introduced me to these group of friends 10 years ago so we are all very very close. The birthday girl is also the other friend who didn’t get me a housewarming gift that I was referring to in part 1. Anywho, she sent a text saying she was thinking of having a masseuse come to our mutual friend’s house and asked we were okay with $ 30 a piece. One friend had something really bad happen to her so she said that she couldn’t. I replied and said no.

She called and asked me what I meant by no. She asked was it too much, didn’t want to do it, had another gift in mind? I was honest and told her that I wanted to focus on myself financially and wasn’t doing any gifts. So, she then said well maybe we should stop doing gifts altogether. I told her that I wouldn’t be offended if we did that. She then asked me where I got my massage (posted it on IG earlier l) and how much was it because she wanted to get one myself. I told her it was off some road and I had a voucher so I didn’t pay. This really rubbed me the wrong way as if she was trying to check on the money I was spending since I told her no to the birthday gift. Then she asked how my Christmas was and I asked about her NYE plans and then we got off the phone. She texted me later and asked for the name of the spa so she could book it. I didn’t respond. That entire exchange really offended me.

Two days later I got a text asking if I was okay. I told her was just going through a spiritual cleanse and reflecting right now but I was okay. She told me that she was glad that I was okay because she thought I was upset with her since I didn’t respond to her text. Then she sent a follow up text asking if we were okay though. I said she just didn’t have the energy to respond the other day to her asking for the name of the spa.She didn’t respond.

It’s not about the gift but what it represents - showing support. I feel like she wasn’t being supportive. I made a registry, so clearly this was important to me as it was a big milestone in my life, so why would she disregard that? She managed to get a housewarming gift for our friend (the birthday girl in the OP) when she bought her house. So, why not me? Like I said, not even a card to acknowledge this milestone?

Plus, when I had first moved in I was carrying in a case of water with a bag of eggs as well. She didn’t help me and I broke some of my eggs. I told her about this as well and let her know if it was some random person on the street she would’ve helped them but I needed to let her know. So, she just seems selfish - typical Leo I guess?

Both she and the friendship with her just seems so exhausting, especially at our age. I’m thinking of cutting her off but I don’t know if I’m just being reactionary. On the other hand, I have known her for so long.

My fellow Pisces, should I end the friendship?

You’ve been friends for the longest time and I’m sure a lot of things have happened. Maybe there’s underlying resentments that manifest in different aspects of your friendship. It can be something as simple as gift giving. You might want to look into that more and reflect on it. Personally, if someone in my life is negatively impacting my mental and emotional health, I‘d start distancing myself. Sometimes, it can lead to friendships fizzling out naturally - and that’s okay. People outgrow each other all the time.