i knew you'd still be here watching and giggling. lmao
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Posted by ChuckcemLiberals could indeed take advantage of Trump clearing the path for an Oprah presidency, HOWEVER, the democratic party is deeply divided and on the brink of self-implosion, because since the rise of Trump all they have been spending their energy and time on is trying to find ways to discredit Trump instead of trying to rebuild the Democratic Party, which is now a hot mess. They don't realize that what they're doing is only playing into Trump's hand and making it easy for a Trump re-election....as there's no clear Liberal answer to Trumpism, their only answer is anti-Trumpism. That's no way to unify a party.Posted by WarAngel1I'd agree if there weren't a few precedents already established within the last few years. I think President Trump is unknowingly clearing a path for someone like Oprah to run for president in 2020. In fact I'd say that Trump may even be keeping to one of his campaign promises by "clearing the swamp", albeit not in the way that he intended or his constituents imagined.Posted by ChuckcemWishful thinking but I would vote for her if she ran.Posted by WarAngel1
No chance in hell she would win. Not in the current climate.
Oprah could take it actually. She's been in American homes for decades and has a large demographic with whom she connects with daily. People, especially older women, trust her. Plus the amount of people who didn't vote for Trump + the amount of people who didn't vote at all was a much larger number than the people who voted for Trump. Let's not forget that Trump didn't sweep the election.click to expand
Posted by queenaries_
I think Oprah should stick to helping people and preaching. Presidents should be more about fixing the economy (one of the main factors on social behavior)
I have never heard of Oprah talking about the economy
She is more about “treating” people nicely and spreading positivity
Better than trump
hell my left toe could do a better job than trump
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomVery true, the Dems infighting is what got them to this point in the first place.Posted by ChuckcemLiberals could indeed take advantage of Trump clearing the path for an Oprah presidency, HOWEVER, the democratic party is deeply divided and on the brink of self-implosion, because since the rise of Trump all they have been spending their energy and time on is trying to find ways to discredit Trump instead of trying to rebuild the Democratic Party, which is now a hot mess. They don't realize that what they're doing is only playing into Trump's hand and making it easy for a Trump re-election....as there's no clear Liberal answer to Trumpism, their only answer is anti-Trumpism. That's no way to unify a party.Posted by WarAngel1I'd agree if there weren't a few precedents already established within the last few years. I think President Trump is unknowingly clearing a path for someone like Oprah to run for president in 2020. In fact I'd say that Trump may even be keeping to one of his campaign promises by "clearing the swamp", albeit not in the way that he intended or his constituents imagined.Posted by ChuckcemWishful thinking but I would vote for her if she ran.Posted by WarAngel1
No chance in hell she would win. Not in the current climate.
Oprah could take it actually. She's been in American homes for decades and has a large demographic with whom she connects with daily. People, especially older women, trust her. Plus the amount of people who didn't vote for Trump + the amount of people who didn't vote at all was a much larger number than the people who voted for Trump. Let's not forget that Trump didn't sweep the election.
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No and we should learn from having celebrities in office going by the idiot we have now.
Posted by Mr_PinchyIt's not just Democrats.
The fact that this is even a story is a testament of the collapse of the Democratic party who hasn't got one, i repeat, one politician (or anyone else) on the bench capable of taking on Trump.
All are embroiled in one scandal or another, some of them in multiple ones at once.
There are a lot of "compromised" Republicans as well.
Part of the hysteria going on is that Hillary was supposed to win, and the criminal shenanigans (of which Hillary was in neck deep) of the previous administration would get covered up.
Well now the person in the Executive branch is from outside that cozy arrangement, and at the heart of the hysteria is the fear, to paraphrase Hillary, that all the perps will be hanging by their necks when all is said and done.
I just saw three pictures of Oprah hugging, kissing and even biting Harvey Weinstein's ear. Oprah hooked up young aspiring women/actresses with Harvey.
#OprahKnew
You're still sure she would be a President working for women's best interests?
#OprahKnew
You're still sure she would be a President working for women's best interests?
Posted by ItsMeRomanPosted by TheRabbitTrump didn’t know shit about politics until he decided to run. He hired the biggest and best news to help him navigate through the system.
No. As she stands now.
Yes. If she were to get some actual political experience first.
Being the smartest, bestest, biggliest candidate ever doesn't mean shit if you don't know the basics of navigating the system.
Yet here we are...have more faith, if she were to exercise her right/freedom to run I’m sure a plethora of highly skilled and educated people would assist her.
As it stands Trump barely understands how the political system works.
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You do realize he developed real estate in the kleptocracy of NYC, don't you? I think he knows very well how the "system" works.
Posted by ItsMeRomanPosted by TheRabbitTrump didn’t know shit about politics until he decided to run. He hired the biggest and best news to help him navigate through the system.
No. As she stands now.
Yes. If she were to get some actual political experience first.
Being the smartest, bestest, biggliest candidate ever doesn't mean shit if you don't know the basics of navigating the system.
Yet here we are...have more faith, if she were to exercise her right/freedom to run I’m sure a plethora of highly skilled and educated people would assist her.
As it stands Trump barely understands how the political system works.
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The biggest mistake the general public makes when it comes to politics is thinking that politicians are super smart and perfect at what they do. They are put on pedestals for no reason.
Reality check: most people suck at what they do and in fact none of them got a clue what the fuck they are doing. The reason you elect them is because you like them as a person and because they are good at GIVING OFF the impression they know what they are doing. That's all.
Good Presidents have not been geniuses themselves, they just surround themselves with the right people, smart and knowledgeable people, which makes sense with what the true tasks of a President are: being a statesman and executing the constitution. Nobody needs to be a genius for that.
The Left is however, obsessed with glorifying politicians and celebrities.
Oprah preached the Gospel during the Golden Globe Awards, you almost get the impression she meant what she was saying.
Then she proceeded to party with her friends dressed in gowns of thousands of dollars
Then she proceeded to party with her friends dressed in gowns of thousands of dollars
Posted by ItsMeRomanPosted by CancerOnTheCuspCome on! Buying real estate in NY barely counts as a resume paragraph lol. So he knows how to take a few suits out for dinner and get them some quality hookers and blow.Posted by ItsMeRomanPosted by TheRabbitTrump didn’t know shit about politics until he decided to run. He hired the biggest and best news to help him navigate through the system.
No. As she stands now.
Yes. If she were to get some actual political experience first.
Being the smartest, bestest, biggliest candidate ever doesn't mean shit if you don't know the basics of navigating the system.
Yet here we are...have more faith, if she were to exercise her right/freedom to run I’m sure a plethora of highly skilled and educated people would assist her.
As it stands Trump barely understands how the political system works.
You do realize he developed real estate in the kleptocracy of NYC, don't you? I think he knows very well how the "system" works.
Means nothing.
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Really? You have any knowledge at all on the history of the the Trump organization?
You do realize that developing real estate is more than buying it and having dinner with a couple of people?
You know what a kleptocracy is, right? Of which NYC and Chicago are prime examples in the US?
I guessing not. Just vote for Oprah if she runs.
On a certain level, I hope that's who the Democrats put up. It will marginalize that party to a few urban areas and only then maybe some people will pull their heads out of their asses and reform the thing.
Saving the Dem. Party would require the followig:
-Ditching the Clintons, Obama's and similar trash once and for all.
-Adopting classical liberalism, after all they call themselves "liberals" though their current political agenda is regressive at best and fascist at worst.
Don't see either happening any time soon, though there is always hope.
-Ditching the Clintons, Obama's and similar trash once and for all.
-Adopting classical liberalism, after all they call themselves "liberals" though their current political agenda is regressive at best and fascist at worst.
Don't see either happening any time soon, though there is always hope.
~~~==AMERICAN PRESIDENTS==~~~
~==PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE==~
-1981-1989: western actor
-1989-1993: old white guy
-1993-2001: harvey weinstein
-2001: bozo
-2009: morgan freeman
-2016: guy from TheApprentice, a.k.a pepe the frog
-2020: oprah
-2024: alex jones
-2028: rupaul
-2032: emojis
-2036: the kardashians
-2040: cardassians
-2044: youtube
-2048: john connor
-2052: lord humungus
-2056: feral kid
-2060: zombhillary
~==PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE==~
-1981-1989: western actor
-1989-1993: old white guy
-1993-2001: harvey weinstein
-2001: bozo
-2009: morgan freeman
-2016: guy from TheApprentice, a.k.a pepe the frog
-2020: oprah
-2024: alex jones
-2028: rupaul
-2032: emojis
-2036: the kardashians
-2040: cardassians
-2044: youtube
-2048: john connor
-2052: lord humungus
-2056: feral kid
-2060: zombhillary
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
Posted by earlorg16
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
When people get desperate they scrap the bottom of the barrel.
It's no surprise that people are jumping at any idiot for candidate.
Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
If Hillary were President, Harvey Weinstein would still be doing his thing, you know..as they are such good buddies, the "fun" wouldn't have stopped. No #MeToo campaign would have come about either.
"Thank goodness for Trump", should all women be chanting.
"Thank goodness for Trump", should all women be chanting.
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomAre you serious?Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.click to expand
Posted by earlorg16Yes, I'm waiting for examples to proof your point.Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomAre you serious?Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.click to expand
Trump is actually doing fine if you look strictly at his policy, plus his accomplishments become even more impressive when you consider:
99% of the media are against him.
Part of his own party is against him.
If only he would stop tweeting so much and could shut up more he would be considered one of the better Presidents in the last 30-40 years.
99% of the media are against him.
Part of his own party is against him.
If only he would stop tweeting so much and could shut up more he would be considered one of the better Presidents in the last 30-40 years.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeWeinstein was a massive (financial) backer to Hillary's campaign, not to mention a personal friend of Hillary. Given that, do you think Hillary and her whole Democratic apparatus wouldn't have moved heaven and earth to stop the truth about Weinstein from leaking?Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomCan you explain this logic?
If Hillary were President, Harvey Weinstein would still be doing his thing, you know..as they are such good buddies, the "fun" wouldn't have stopped. No #MeToo campaign would have come about either.
"Thank goodness for Trump", should all women be chanting.click to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeePosted by HippieGemBexcuse americans are shitPosted by Smidge😱 You’re letting the crazy people that make decisions for us influence your opinion on regular normal American people who aren’t happy with pretty much, every single thing going on right now.
America just needs to leave the planet.
Sorry guys, but it'd be real nice if you could just remove yourselves, y'know?
Vacate the premises.
Feck off.
We can just kinda take the whole of America, put you on mars.
That'd be great.
But yeah I want to move to Mars anyway so if you’re ever there, pop in and say hi, we shall have some tea 🍵 That’s my backup retirement plan.
We're no betterclick to expand
That's the lie the Left keeps spreading. That everyone is just a racist, homophobe, sexist, etc etc if they don't vote for their candidates or agree with their policies.
The world is actually a much much much better place right now than it ever was at any point in history.
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomGetting rid of the EPA (something that Nixon of all people actually created), passing the most lopsided tax plan ever that only benefits corporations and the rich, hiring aids that clearly colluded with Russia, continuously limiting free press, not doing a damn thing for Puerto Rico, golfing more than working, embarrassing the US throughout the globe, about to start a war with North Korea, never releasing his taxes, allowing net neutrality to be repealed, trying to limit and get rid of healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions, not knowing what's in the constitution, etc.Posted by earlorg16Yes, I'm waiting for examples to proof your point.Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomAre you serious?Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
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That is only one year. We've had some baaad presidents, sure, but no one even comes remotely close to how unqualified Trump is. And I thought Bush was bad. Not saying Clinton was a saint either.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee100 years ago, you (as an African American) wouldn't even have had the right to say what you just said, in any public platform. Now let that sink in..Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomNo that's not a liberal agenda, Americans are racist, sexist, and homophobic its all over the newsPosted by CaramelizedCoffeePosted by HippieGemBexcuse americans are shitPosted by Smidge😱 You’re letting the crazy people that make decisions for us influence your opinion on regular normal American people who aren’t happy with pretty much, every single thing going on right now.
America just needs to leave the planet.
Sorry guys, but it'd be real nice if you could just remove yourselves, y'know?
Vacate the premises.
Feck off.
We can just kinda take the whole of America, put you on mars.
That'd be great.
But yeah I want to move to Mars anyway so if you’re ever there, pop in and say hi, we shall have some tea 🍵 That’s my backup retirement plan.
We're no better
That's the lie the Left keeps spreading. That everyone is just a racist, homophobe, sexist, etc etc if they don't vote for their candidates or agree with their policies.
The world is actually a much much much better place right now than it ever was at any point in history.
the reality is in the details
the poor white people are the absolute worst, they keep believing the stories the Rich white people tell them. LOL
lol now they going to get fukin in the ASS with this new tax law
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And that's just for starters.
Posted by SupesI'm holding judgement on the unemployment. Labor force participation rate is still not that great even though the unemployment number is going down.Posted by IxionWhy not?Posted by SupesI am not even taking this as a serious comment.Posted by IxionTrump is actually doing very well.
Let us not forget that that fucktard Reagan was super unqualified to be a president either when he became president but the right just ate that shit on up nom nom nom.
She could stand to do worlds better than Trump and Reagan two rather unqualified individuals in the grand scheme of things.
It’s his mouth that’s doing horrible
Housing market is red hot, interest rates at an all time low, stock market is at an all time high and unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades.
In my book, that’s awesome!click to expand
But, investments are doing great, and lower taxes, deregulation, and cheaper energy are going to help economic growth.
But hey,it's Oprah......
Posted by IxionCan you provide some specifics?Posted by SupesYou do realize that most of the major shifts in the economy are from policies that came about during the last administration right? Besides... some of those economic criteria are the result of the falling out of the market that was caused by dun dun dun the administration before the last administration.Posted by IxionWhy not?Posted by SupesI am not even taking this as a serious comment.Posted by IxionTrump is actually doing very well.
Let us not forget that that fucktard Reagan was super unqualified to be a president either when he became president but the right just ate that shit on up nom nom nom.
She could stand to do worlds better than Trump and Reagan two rather unqualified individuals in the grand scheme of things.
It’s his mouth that’s doing horrible
Housing market is red hot, interest rates at an all time low, stock market is at an all time high and unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades.
In my book, that’s awesome!
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Or is this going to be a round of:"Everything good now is due to Obama, everything bad is someone else's fault"?
Posted by CancerOnTheCuspI'd bang Anthony Wiener's wife. She probably misses a solid 'ol dicking down considering her hubby gets off to teens.
It's not just Democrats.
There are a lot of "compromised" Republicans as well.
Part of the hysteria going on is that Hillary was supposed to win, and the criminal shenanigans (of which Hillary was in neck deep) of the previous administration would get covered up.
Well now the person in the Executive branch is from outside that cozy arrangement, and at the heart of the hysteria is the fear, to paraphrase Hillary, that all the perps will be hanging by their necks when all is said and done.
Posted by earlorg16Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomGetting rid of the EPA (something that Nixon of all people actually created), passing the most lopsided tax plan ever that only benefits corporations and the rich, hiring aids that clearly colluded with Russia, continuously limiting free press, not doing a damn thing for Puerto Rico, golfing more than working, embarrassing the US throughout the globe, about to start a war with North Korea, never releasing his taxes, allowing net neutrality to be repealed, trying to limit and get rid of healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions, not knowing what's in the constitution, etc.Posted by earlorg16Yes, I'm waiting for examples to proof your point.Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomAre you serious?Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
That is only one year. We've had some baaad presidents, sure, but no one even comes remotely close to how unqualified Trump is. And I thought Bush was bad. Not saying Clinton was a saint either.click to expand
EPA still exists, and "Russia-gate" is still being investigated, so there is no consensus on guilty or not guilty so far, which means you can't use that as proof.
Other than that, I remember asking you "what is it that has happened during Trump's administration that has never happened before? Because your post does not answer that question. All of those things you mentioned (even from the lefty perspective you describe them) have more or less happened at some point in the history of US Presidencies, some even very recently.
So I'm still waiting for your answer.
Posted by CancerOnTheCuspPosted by IxionCan you provide some specifics?Posted by SupesYou do realize that most of the major shifts in the economy are from policies that came about during the last administration right? Besides... some of those economic criteria are the result of the falling out of the market that was caused by dun dun dun the administration before the last administration.Posted by IxionWhy not?Posted by SupesI am not even taking this as a serious comment.Posted by IxionTrump is actually doing very well.
Let us not forget that that fucktard Reagan was super unqualified to be a president either when he became president but the right just ate that shit on up nom nom nom.
She could stand to do worlds better than Trump and Reagan two rather unqualified individuals in the grand scheme of things.
It’s his mouth that’s doing horrible
Housing market is red hot, interest rates at an all time low, stock market is at an all time high and unemployment is the lowest it’s been in decades.
In my book, that’s awesome!
Or is this going to be a round of:"Everything good now is due to Obama, everything bad is someone else's fault"?click to expand
Obama's divisive policies and rhetoric were not only the very reason someone like Trump could get momentum and get elected in the end, they also became the catalyst for the current divided state of the Dem. Party.
LOL @ calling someone racist and adding the word "white guy" next to it.
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomEPA still exists, but they're not actually doing anything in regards to passing environmental law besides depleting everyone that works in it and replacing them with unqualified folks. Russia-gate is ongoing, but aids have already admitted to guilt and setting meetings up between both sides (that's already enough to prove meddling happened). These processes take a bit of time, but all signs are proving guilt is on the horizon.Posted by earlorg16Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomGetting rid of the EPA (something that Nixon of all people actually created), passing the most lopsided tax plan ever that only benefits corporations and the rich, hiring aids that clearly colluded with Russia, continuously limiting free press, not doing a damn thing for Puerto Rico, golfing more than working, embarrassing the US throughout the globe, about to start a war with North Korea, never releasing his taxes, allowing net neutrality to be repealed, trying to limit and get rid of healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions, not knowing what's in the constitution, etc.Posted by earlorg16Yes, I'm waiting for examples to proof your point.Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomAre you serious?Posted by earlorg16What exactly is happening now in your opinion, that hasn't happened before..with more "qualified" Presidents?
Can we not have unqualified people as president regardless of their political party? It's not gonna work, look at what's happening now.
That is only one year. We've had some baaad presidents, sure, but no one even comes remotely close to how unqualified Trump is. And I thought Bush was bad. Not saying Clinton was a saint either.
EPA still exists, and "Russia-gate" is still being investigated, so there is no consensus on guilty or not guilty so far, which means you can't use that as proof.
Other than that, I remember asking you "what is it that has happened during Trump's administration that has never happened before? Because your post does not answer that question. All of those things you mentioned (even from the lefty perspective you describe them) have more or less happened at some point in the history of US Presidencies, some even very recently.
So I'm still waiting for your answer.
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Sure they've happened, but not all within one year. I gave you my answer, you just believe it's not enough and if it isn't, that's your opinion. But as an American, that's way more than enough for me. And to go with that, I think Oprah is grossly unqualified as well.
Posted by queenaries_My left toe is not a selloutPosted by AdreamuponwakingYour life toe should run for presidentPosted by queenaries_
I think Oprah should stick to helping people and preaching. Presidents should be more about fixing the economy (one of the main factors on social behavior)
I have never heard of Oprah talking about the economy
She is more about “treating” people nicely and spreading positivity
Better than trump
hell my left toe could do a better job than trump
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so
it wouldn't get very far
like bernie sanders
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeTrue, and I'm glad that fighting took place! The fighting wasn't in vain as the total freedom you can enjoy today is actually protected by the constitution.Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomlet what sink in, black people fought for their rights and everyone else's rightsPosted by CaramelizedCoffee100 years ago, you (as an African American) wouldn't even have had the right to say what you just said, in any public platform. Now let that sink in..Posted by BoomShakalakaBoomNo that's not a liberal agenda, Americans are racist, sexist, and homophobic its all over the newsPosted by CaramelizedCoffeePosted by HippieGemBexcuse americans are shitPosted by Smidge😱 You’re letting the crazy people that make decisions for us influence your opinion on regular normal American people who aren’t happy with pretty much, every single thing going on right now.
America just needs to leave the planet.
Sorry guys, but it'd be real nice if you could just remove yourselves, y'know?
Vacate the premises.
Feck off.
We can just kinda take the whole of America, put you on mars.
That'd be great.
But yeah I want to move to Mars anyway so if you’re ever there, pop in and say hi, we shall have some tea 🍵 That’s my backup retirement plan.
We're no better
That's the lie the Left keeps spreading. That everyone is just a racist, homophobe, sexist, etc etc if they don't vote for their candidates or agree with their policies.
The world is actually a much much much better place right now than it ever was at any point in history.
the reality is in the details
the poor white people are the absolute worst, they keep believing the stories the Rich white people tell them. LOL
lol now they going to get fukin in the ASS with this new tax law
And that's just for starters.
nothing was handed to them.
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Thank the heavens, you don't need to fight anymore 🙂
Only your own personal laziness, CC, that is all you need to fight.
I called you, CC, lazy. How's that racist?
You have said many many times on dxp how lazy you are.
Don't blame me for having a good memory.
You have said many many times on dxp how lazy you are.
Don't blame me for having a good memory.
Posted by AdreamuponwakingImo Sanders wasn't so much of a sellout but rather he got stabbed in the back at the DNC when it was time to elect a nominee.
My left toe is not a sellout
so
it wouldn't get very far
like bernie sanders
CC, if you insist on wanting a black President again, how about Larry Elder?
He'd get my vote if I were American. Look him up on Youtube.
He'd get my vote if I were American. Look him up on Youtube.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeenot creative.Posted by rabidtalkerIf you were creative you could have truncated that and let us know the meaning of the article
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2018/01/the_case_against_oprah.html
Oprah? Really?
The same political malaise that produced Donald Trump is now threatening to give us Oprah Winfrey.
When world leaders came together in 2015 to settle on a framework for action on climate change, the resulting agreement set a goal of limiting the rise in global average temperatures from preindustrial levels to 2 degrees Celsius by 2100. The climatologist Michael Mann, voicing what has been the scientific consensus for some time, has warned that warming beyond that could lead to “environmental ruin.” Recent research suggests, in fact, that if all carbon emissions worldwide ceased tomorrow, the Earth would still warm as much as 1.3 degrees by this century’s end. If we continue on our current path, we, and our children, and our children’s children, will face a world of not only immiserating and constantly spreading heat and sea-level rise but also intense storms that will devastate major cities, crop failures that will disrupt access to food, violent conflicts over environmental resources, communicable diseases given the conditions to spread far more widely and severely than they otherwise would, and a perpetual refugee crisis dwarfing many times over the Syrian exodus that has been exploited by a resurgent far-right in Europe—one rough guess suggests 1.4 billion people may be displaced by 2060. Many, many people will die.
Averting the worst of all this will not only demand the global leadership of the United States but also sweeping, disruptive, and permanent changes to the American energy economy—changes that will require government action and intervention to a degree not seen since the New Deal.
Now. Close your eyes and picture an ideal president. Someone capable of seriously engaging with not only the above but all of the challenges the 21st century will require us to face: inequality and economic stagnation for the vast majority of Americans, a health care system that still fails millions, and all the rest. Who have you pictured? Is it Oprah Winfrey? Is it really?
A few decades from now, if some poor historians put themselves through the trouble of assessing the hundreds of thousands of words the major press has dedicated to explaining why and how Donald Trump won the presidency, they will find few of them have been devoted to a fact that contributed to both his rise and the reception of Winfrey’s Golden Globes speech: The major figures on the contemporary American political scene are impossibly boring. With a few notable exceptions, every major presidential contender of our recent past seems small against the backdrop of the grand historical narrative we’ve weaved for ourselves. It is doubtful that there will be a movement someday to carve Marco Rubio into Mount Rushmore; contemporary politicians who speak at places like the site of Lincoln’s “House Divided” speech, as Hillary Clinton did in the summer of 2016, generally come off, to this observer, looking like children wearing their parent’s coats. Bored people can do inadvisable things, especially when alternatives to the status quo seem possible. We recently had a president who seemed, and was at least stylistically, out of the ordinary. He is gone now, although for $ 400,000 or so you can have him stir and inspire your corporate function. His absence makes the actual state of American political rhetoric more obvious—if you’re a largely nondescript white man with a clean record who can drone about “common-sense solutions” in a tone that meshes well with stock footage of rolling fields and manufacturing plants of ambiguous productive activity, a party headhunter will assuredly have a look at you.
We’re all, whether we know it or not, a little tired of this. In 2016, half of the country found itself tired enough to elect a television celebrity who, stupid and unpolished as he may be, is at least fascinating to watch and follow. And now, a number of Democrats who’ve spent the year wailing about this find themselves tired enough to consider a TV star of their own for the office.
They are not the same, obviously. Winfrey is articulate, has had a career defined more by its successes than its failures, and spoke more frankly Sunday night about the darkness that has shaped our history—racism, patriarchy—than most politicians. She is probably about as decent and noble a person as someone with over 40,000 times the net worth of the average American can be. These are, obviously, all qualities that would make her a highly compelling candidate to an electorate that will want to turn the page from the Trump presidency. It should be just as obvious that these qualities say little about her capacity to preside over a nation that faces a set of intractable and complex structural crises.
None of this is to say that political experience—that old, dry chestnut—is what counts the most here. Honesty with ourselves would force us to admit the country would be better off if we replaced every politician currently serving in Washington with a committee of social scientists, historians, and anxious, sweaty climatologists selected from the country’s major research universities at random. This is, of course, not the system of government we have, and we generally prefer filling the major political offices with people who know little, if anything, about the problems they are elected to fix. That’s an inevitable outcome of democracy, but ideally we’d be wise enough to save at least the presidency for those with deep knowledge of public policy.
The solution here is to select a president who can shape deep knowledge into a robust, truly ambitious agenda that promises a future for this country beyond the incomprehensible misery we are all barreling toward, a candidate who can wed expertise and vision with the novel political rhetoric and expression voters clearly crave. Finding that person may require us to demand more from the cast of political characters we’ve already given ourselves. It does not require that we settle for Oprah.
instead you want us to read
no thanks hombre
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Posted by Mr_PinchyNo that's what i'm sayingPosted by AdreamuponwakingImo Sanders wasn't so much of a sellout but rather he got stabbed in the back at the DNC when it was time to elect a nominee.
My left toe is not a sellout
so
it wouldn't get very far
like bernie sanders
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is that sanders wasn't a sellout
that's why he couldn't get very far
Hilary and Obama were from the very onset of their career that's why the DNC backed them
corporate interests and money exercise ultimate authority over both leading parties
Posted by Ixion
*Borrowed from the balance and other sources*
1. Ended the 2008 Recession
In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $ 787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July when GDP growth turned positive. In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $ 241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust 3.9 percent rate by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ( $ 633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.
An example of missteps:
"Solyndra received a $ 535 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Additionally, Solyndra received a $ 25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority."
ARRA might have been (and probably was) well meaning, but policy of picking winners and losers got in the way.
In addition, we get this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/signs-stimulus/story?id=11163180
And this (right, very funny, unless you were one of those construction people who bought into the BS):
2. Modernized Auto Industry
Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving three million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel efficient and therefore more globally competitive.
Actually, the Bush administration was approached by the "Big Three". The Obama administration followed along. Out of those, only Ford, because their executives were smart enough to refinance and renegotiate contracts prior to the bailout, escaped government intervention. To be fair, Ford was willing to suck on the government teat, but didn't have to suffer government interference. Even a liberal professor I knew jokingly made reference to "Government Motors" while GM was going through the process. The fuel efficiency thing is much more involved than I would respond in this post.
3. Regulated the Big Banks
In July 2010, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The Consumer Financial Protection Agency reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated hedge funds and banks that became too big to fail. The "Volcker Rule" banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.
Dodd-Frank directed the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
These regulated the riskiest derivatives, like credit default swaps and commodities futures. Dodd-Frank also asked the SEC to recommend how the credit rating agencies, like Moody's and Standard & Poor's, could be improved.
Dodd-Frank effectively helped to kill small business, which constituted a large chunk of the American economy prior to the Obama administration.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/01/28/the-next-repeal-and-replace-dodd-frank/#526d658745cd
And the CFPB is currently under investigation, not only for what it had been doing, but for its very nature:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/court-rules-consumer-financial-protection-bureaus-structure-is-unconstitutional/503660/
4. 2010 Tax Cuts
In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an $ 858 billion tax cut. It had three main components: a $ 350 billion extension of the Bush tax cuts, a $ 56 billion extension of unemployment benefits, and a $ 120 billion reduction in workers' payroll taxes. Businesses received $ 140 billion in tax cuts for capital improvements and $ 80 billion in research and development tax credits. The estate tax was exempted (up to $ 5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.
Arguable benefit here.
5.Troops from Iraq and Afghanistan Wars
Obama withdrew troops from the Iraq War. Three years later, renewed threats from ISIS meant troops had to return. The Sunni-Shiite split within Islam means there may always be wars in the Middle East.. but at a much reduced imprint.
In 2014, Obama wound down the war in Afghanistan. Ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan should have reduced annual military spending. At over $ 800 billion, it was the largest discretionary budget item and one of the leading causes of the budget deficit and national debt.
This is sugar coating the whole "Arab Spring"/ISIS thing. Personally, I think the second Iraq War was BS, with Bush finishing off "Daddy's War".Afghanistan should have been surgical--taking out Osama and his support structure without the attempt at nation building. Notice, we don't hear much about ISIS as much in the main stream media--because in the last year they have been decimated.
6. Best Job Creator
Obama is the biggest job creating president in U.S. history. His policies put 22.309 million people to work from the depths of the recession in January 2010 to the end of his term. That's because unemployment continued to rise even after the recession ended in 2009. It takes a few months of economic growth before businesses are confident enough to begin hiring again.
One of the longest recoveries after a recession in US history.
7.Maintained Continuation of Federal Reserve Policy -
Obama appointed Federal Reserve Vice-Chair Janet Yellen to replace Ben Bernanke. She maintained an expansionary monetary policy that created the lowest interest rates in 200 years. This allowed the early stages of the housing recovery and slow but steady business expansion to continue. That's because Treasury yields affect mortgage interest rates.click to expand
There is argument that the suppression was the monetary equivalent of "kicking the can down the road". Quantitative easing has effectively eroded the wealth of those on fixed incomes.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeyou must have forgotten LincolnPosted by BoomShakalakaBoomEvery Aqua leader i know is a horrible dictator
I just saw three pictures of Oprah hugging, kissing and even biting Harvey Weinstein's ear. Oprah hooked up young aspiring women/actresses with Harvey.
#OprahKnew
You're still sure she would be a President working for women's best interests?
so no on Oprah lolclick to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeelol yeah he is.Posted by lisabethur8Well he's specialPosted by CaramelizedCoffeeyou must have forgotten LincolnPosted by BoomShakalakaBoomEvery Aqua leader i know is a horrible dictator
I just saw three pictures of Oprah hugging, kissing and even biting Harvey Weinstein's ear. Oprah hooked up young aspiring women/actresses with Harvey.
#OprahKnew
You're still sure she would be a President working for women's best interests?
so no on Oprah lolclick to expand
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in terms of policy ( far more progressive)
and overall happiness of it's constituents
they legalized
Gay Marriage and Cannabis first...........
and they have better health care for example
why can't we get our sh*t together here in the U.S?
do
You know if this bill gets passed, it means no more porn on the net. If the FCC wins. They can tell you what you can and can't see on the internet. To me I think this is wrong. It is just as bad or worse then SOPA thing that people try to pass.
What
This poll was released Jan of last year, note this is before Trump election and before Weinstein scandal..
Take the poll here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/feminism-project/feminism-typology-quiz/
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Questions:
1. Do you consi
Now that our streets are filled with raging nazis and white nationalists openly claiming to be the superior race and emphatically reiterating that they must take America back they must make America great one must ask all of you trump supporters, did you h
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/just-protesters-destroy-confederate-monument-outside-durham-county-nc-courthouse-video/
The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, accordin
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/sean-spicer-resigns-anthony-scaramucci/index.html
This was inevitable XD
this year's politicon is gonna be lit! why? they are having DEBATES..I fucking love debates ...
I love learning stuff
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I love the shade
https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oKIP8kNuTJJL3zT0I/giphy.gif
I honestly believe so but what do you guys think?
I know there have been many trump threads, and i know i'll piss off Pro-trump snowflakes but this is just hilarious.
JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)JAN. 21 “A reporter
I know...I know I complain a lot about the opposite party ...but tonight I wanna talk about the left ...or whats left of the left lmao?
the democrat are so fucking weak its embarrassing ..it almost makes me ashamed to call myself one ...
things I h
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/20/news/gm-venezuela-plant-seized/
Lmao
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So basically all the women got duped into marching under a woman who believes that women have no rights( less rights then men) smh. I knew that March was bogus. Which poses the question what was Linda Sarsour trying to accomplish with this March?
https://youtu.be/q2R2btO4MEo
President Trump's speech; not a philosophical soliloquy, nor a piece of poetry, but a letter to the people. Donald Trump's inauguration speech has been lambasted by various media outlets for its lack of philosophical depth, and the absence of intricate ar
congrats American asswhipe
Yay, I didn't want to live anyway.
Seriously though, I live in the Baltic States in Eastern Europe. As of right now, all 3 of the states are members of NATO as well as European Union. However, with Donald coming to power, I'm strongly afraid of the fac
Stay out of the streets and off the highways. It's one thing to senselessly protest, but quite another to senselessly risk your life because you didn't get your way.