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Did you even come up with ten reasons/things you liked about her
1. I love that she's so intelligent. From day one, we had great conversations about religion and politics. And she speaks 3 languages (well, 2 fluently and 1 pidgin, but that's more than I can say).
2. We have SO much in common. When I was with her friend, I remember looking at her page on FB and thinking, "wow, maybe she and I should be together instead". Even before we knew each other, we had marked that we like a lot of the same obscure movies, and same obscure musicians.
A few weeks ago, I mentioned ordering a pizza, and she asked what I ordered. I said chicken, jalapenos, and extra cheese. She said, "OMG, that's exactly what I order! Except I order with pineapples". I replied, "Oh, I forgot, I ordered mine with pineapples, too!"
We both have a negative relationship with our families (even though she's being forced to live with her dad still), so we relate to one another's familial problems on an intimate level.
3. I liked that she was strong and confident enough to approach me first. She sent me the friend request, she sent me the first message, and she asked me on a date first. Confidence is hot.
4. She is soooo freakin' gorgeous! She's by far the hottest girl I've ever had a romantic connection with. Even her voice is sexy; it's a little higher pitched than you think it would be from looking at her, and she enunciates letters a little more properly than most people. It's all very adorable.
5. I love how she acts around me when we're together, in person. She can only look in my eyes for a few seconds before she gets shy, smiles or giggles, and has to look away. And she always stays really close to me, so that we're practically touching the whole time.
6. I love that she makes these tiny little efforts to make me feel special, like texting me as soon as she wakes up, or talking to me until she falls asleep.
7. I like how she hugs me. It's always a 2-armed hug (not a friendly 1-arm hug), and she holds on just a little longer than she should. Then when she pulls away, it's real slow, like she doesn't want to let go. And she ALWAYS finds a way to touch my skin, just for a second; like, letting her hand graze the back of my neck as she pulls away.
So far, I can only imagine how intimate a kiss would feel with her.
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1. I love that she's so intelligent. From day one, we had great conversations about religion and politics. And she speaks 3 languages (well, 2 fluently and 1 pidgin, but that's more than I can say).
2. We have SO much in common. When I was with her friend, I remember looking at her page on FB and thinking, "wow, maybe she and I should be together instead". Even before we knew each other, we had marked that we like a lot of the same obscure movies, and same obscure musicians.
A few weeks ago, I mentioned ordering a pizza, and she asked what I ordered. I said chicken, jalapenos, and extra cheese. She said, "OMG, that's exactly what I order! Except I order with pineapples". I replied, "Oh, I forgot, I ordered mine with pineapples, too!"
We both have a negative relationship with our families (even though she's being forced to live with her dad still), so we relate to one another's familial problems on an intimate level.
3. I liked that she was strong and confident enough to approach me first. She sent me the friend request, she sent me the first message, and she asked me on a date first. Confidence is hot.
4. She is soooo freakin' gorgeous! She's by far the hottest girl I've ever had a romantic connection with. Even her voice is sexy; it's a little higher pitched than you think it would be from looking at her, and she enunciates letters a little more properly than most people. It's all very adorable.
5. I love how she acts around me when we're together, in person. She can only look in my eyes for a few seconds before she gets shy, smiles or giggles, and has to look away. And she always stays really close to me, so that we're practically touching the whole time.
6. I love that she makes these tiny little efforts to make me feel special, like texting me as soon as she wakes up, or talking to me until she falls asleep.
7. I like how she hugs me. It's always a 2-armed hug (not a friendly 1-arm hug), and she holds on just a little longer than she should. Then when she pulls away, it's real slow, like she doesn't want to let go. And she ALWAYS finds a way to touch my skin, just for a second; like, letting her hand graze the back of my neck as she pulls away.
So far, I can only imagine how intimate a kiss would feel with her.
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8. I just can't describe how good she smells. Even right when she gets off work and has been on her feet all day, she smells incredible.
9. I like that, even though she started out as strong and confident, she's shy and nervous with me now. It makes me feel important to her, like before she was just casting a net and that now she's really vulnerable.
10. A lot of our long term goals are the same. We both want to live in another country, and we both have an interest in eastern Europe and northern Africa. She doesn't want more children, and neither do I. She's ambitious in her career goals, but has no interest in being helped along the way... which is exactly how I feel. I can't take pride in something that someone else built.
... you did just want 10, right? Once I started, I had to group some things together because I realized my list was getting too long.
9. I like that, even though she started out as strong and confident, she's shy and nervous with me now. It makes me feel important to her, like before she was just casting a net and that now she's really vulnerable.
10. A lot of our long term goals are the same. We both want to live in another country, and we both have an interest in eastern Europe and northern Africa. She doesn't want more children, and neither do I. She's ambitious in her career goals, but has no interest in being helped along the way... which is exactly how I feel. I can't take pride in something that someone else built.
... you did just want 10, right? Once I started, I had to group some things together because I realized my list was getting too long.
Thanks very much for the information about iDailyDiary. I didn't know about it until now! Evernote has always seemed too complicated for my needs, too.
It's a conflicted mix of things, I agree, with the pros and cons of how she behaves and what she's like. lol for taking bets.
Since this time she wrote that she promises, and normally doesn't say that, I hope she'll take it seriously enough to come through. Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
The guy who was a runner, who I dated 14 years ago, had a pattern of being a workaholic, plunging himself into work and projects as soon as he started to get close to someone. The more I learned about him the more I could see that he had this pattern with some of the other women he had dated. But he was/is a very nice person. Very kind and generous. He never said a mean or unfair thing to me. And on the job I think he does very well. He loves helping people, and he does that for a living, but his romantic life has been fraught with issues. So some very nice people who are responsible in some ways can be deep down quite afraid of things we wouldn't expect, thanks to issues from their past and related.
I agree that the reason why she comes forward, then pulls away, is a mystery - where the fear stems from, etc, as it seems to with people who run and return like she does, but it's likely to be something that won't resolve for quite some time unfortunately. If you bring it up with her hopefully she'll try harder, if she doesn't want to lose you as a friend, etc.
I think she'll have a lot of work to do before she can be the kind of partner who is compatible with you fully. Most people don't do the work but I'm always happy to read stories about people who do.
It's confusing when we can see potential in a person that is real but it's getting hampered by bad conditioning they've had for whatever reason (abuse in the past is likely). So the good things that you've seen about her likely aren't an illusion, is my point, but often people don't work on their issues enough so those wonderful things can only manifest for short periods, then they get slammed by the fears, etc. that person carries around.
It's a conflicted mix of things, I agree, with the pros and cons of how she behaves and what she's like. lol for taking bets.
Since this time she wrote that she promises, and normally doesn't say that, I hope she'll take it seriously enough to come through. Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
The guy who was a runner, who I dated 14 years ago, had a pattern of being a workaholic, plunging himself into work and projects as soon as he started to get close to someone. The more I learned about him the more I could see that he had this pattern with some of the other women he had dated. But he was/is a very nice person. Very kind and generous. He never said a mean or unfair thing to me. And on the job I think he does very well. He loves helping people, and he does that for a living, but his romantic life has been fraught with issues. So some very nice people who are responsible in some ways can be deep down quite afraid of things we wouldn't expect, thanks to issues from their past and related.
I agree that the reason why she comes forward, then pulls away, is a mystery - where the fear stems from, etc, as it seems to with people who run and return like she does, but it's likely to be something that won't resolve for quite some time unfortunately. If you bring it up with her hopefully she'll try harder, if she doesn't want to lose you as a friend, etc.
I think she'll have a lot of work to do before she can be the kind of partner who is compatible with you fully. Most people don't do the work but I'm always happy to read stories about people who do.
It's confusing when we can see potential in a person that is real but it's getting hampered by bad conditioning they've had for whatever reason (abuse in the past is likely). So the good things that you've seen about her likely aren't an illusion, is my point, but often people don't work on their issues enough so those wonderful things can only manifest for short periods, then they get slammed by the fears, etc. that person carries around.
Thanks very much for the information about iDailyDiary.
Another nice thing is that you can make it password protected. I like that, because I can put VERY personal info in there without really worrying about it.
Since this time she wrote that she promises, and normally doesn't say that, I hope she'll take it seriously enough to come through. Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
Even "catastrophic" is kinda subjective, I think. You'll remember that when we were talking the first time, in December, she totally blew me off on a date. Then when I confronted her about it, she claimed to have been sick with a fever. Justifiable, sure... but she was so sick that she couldn't simply reply to a text and say "I'm sick, let's reschedule"?
And then this time, she presumably forgot about her sister's First Communion and was expected to be there. Justifiable, sure... but she didn't know about it 4 days prior? I understand the ceremony itself is 1 to 1 1/2 hours, but she couldn't find 10 minutes to get away, from 9am to 9pm? I understand the whole family being there, but not 10 minutes in a 12 hour span?
I have little doubt that there will be a "catastrophic" emergency Monday, too, that's equally questionable.
I just realized something that I might have failed to mention before. I went to see her last Friday at work (5/29) at her request, and she suggested taking a day off this week to spend the day together. Then on Tuesday she said that the other waitress couldn't work for her, and she suggested Saturday. Then when she couldn't on Saturday, she suggested Monday. I haven't actually asked her to do anything in weeks! Maybe over a month.
See the confusion?
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Another nice thing is that you can make it password protected. I like that, because I can put VERY personal info in there without really worrying about it.
Since this time she wrote that she promises, and normally doesn't say that, I hope she'll take it seriously enough to come through. Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
Even "catastrophic" is kinda subjective, I think. You'll remember that when we were talking the first time, in December, she totally blew me off on a date. Then when I confronted her about it, she claimed to have been sick with a fever. Justifiable, sure... but she was so sick that she couldn't simply reply to a text and say "I'm sick, let's reschedule"?
And then this time, she presumably forgot about her sister's First Communion and was expected to be there. Justifiable, sure... but she didn't know about it 4 days prior? I understand the ceremony itself is 1 to 1 1/2 hours, but she couldn't find 10 minutes to get away, from 9am to 9pm? I understand the whole family being there, but not 10 minutes in a 12 hour span?
I have little doubt that there will be a "catastrophic" emergency Monday, too, that's equally questionable.
I just realized something that I might have failed to mention before. I went to see her last Friday at work (5/29) at her request, and she suggested taking a day off this week to spend the day together. Then on Tuesday she said that the other waitress couldn't work for her, and she suggested Saturday. Then when she couldn't on Saturday, she suggested Monday. I haven't actually asked her to do anything in weeks! Maybe over a month.
See the confusion?
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The guy who was a runner, who I dated 14 years ago, had a pattern of being a workaholic, plunging himself into work and projects as soon as he started to get close to someone.
Admittedly, I don't have the most experience with dating, and most of my memories are from high school and college some 20 years ago. But one thing I remember was that it wasn't uncommon for me to lose interest in a girl, and then distance myself in the same way. Friends, school clubs, study groups, etc would suddenly take priority. And in that now-defunct LTR, I was the same way; I became a workaholic mainly because it was an excuse to not spend intimate time with her.
I felt really bad about that, once I recognized the pattern. It wasn't a conscious decision, but it had to be pretty hurtful to the girls I dated.
I agree that the reason why she comes forward, then pulls away, is a mystery - where the fear stems from, etc, as it seems to with people who run and return like she does
I've thought about her family dynamic a lot since you mentioned it earlier.
She grew up Catholic, but doesn't identify as Catholic now. The family is pretty devout, though, and she thinks of herself as the black sheep.
Her parents are divorced, which is surprising because that's simply not allowed in Catholicism. Worse, her dad is remarried and has a new family, including a 5 year old son (the same age as her oldest son).
She's more than a little jealous of her sister's First Communion, because her family didn't do that for her when she was a child. She feels rejected and unloved by her family.
But there has to be something pretty negative with her mom, if she would choose to live with her rejecting dad and his new family instead of with her mom.
The first guy she did love, she married, but they didn't last but a few years. I don't know why they divorced, but it's clear that she has a pretty negative outlook on love; and for good reason, when you see that every relationship she's really witnessed has failed.
In spite of that, she's very romantic, and dying to find "true love". She secretly wants someone to prove her wrong, that true love really does exist. And I get that, because I feel the exact same way.
This could all explain her hot and cold tactics, really. She wants to believe in love, but then when she feels something she remembers previous pain and backs away.
Admittedly, I don't have the most experience with dating, and most of my memories are from high school and college some 20 years ago. But one thing I remember was that it wasn't uncommon for me to lose interest in a girl, and then distance myself in the same way. Friends, school clubs, study groups, etc would suddenly take priority. And in that now-defunct LTR, I was the same way; I became a workaholic mainly because it was an excuse to not spend intimate time with her.
I felt really bad about that, once I recognized the pattern. It wasn't a conscious decision, but it had to be pretty hurtful to the girls I dated.
I agree that the reason why she comes forward, then pulls away, is a mystery - where the fear stems from, etc, as it seems to with people who run and return like she does
I've thought about her family dynamic a lot since you mentioned it earlier.
She grew up Catholic, but doesn't identify as Catholic now. The family is pretty devout, though, and she thinks of herself as the black sheep.
Her parents are divorced, which is surprising because that's simply not allowed in Catholicism. Worse, her dad is remarried and has a new family, including a 5 year old son (the same age as her oldest son).
She's more than a little jealous of her sister's First Communion, because her family didn't do that for her when she was a child. She feels rejected and unloved by her family.
But there has to be something pretty negative with her mom, if she would choose to live with her rejecting dad and his new family instead of with her mom.
The first guy she did love, she married, but they didn't last but a few years. I don't know why they divorced, but it's clear that she has a pretty negative outlook on love; and for good reason, when you see that every relationship she's really witnessed has failed.
In spite of that, she's very romantic, and dying to find "true love". She secretly wants someone to prove her wrong, that true love really does exist. And I get that, because I feel the exact same way.
This could all explain her hot and cold tactics, really. She wants to believe in love, but then when she feels something she remembers previous pain and backs away.
I think that you nailed it with the likely reason that she acts like she does - the hot and cold with you! Her relationship experiences and observations are definitely anti-love, or perhaps it's better to say anti healthy love.
And it's good that you see that she initiates a lot of this, then backs out, in recent times. Pointing it out to her is good, if you feel like it, but whether she'll start to address it or not is hard to say. If she really wants true love she will have to or her life will be filled with frustrating relationships and she'll scare people off.
I can also see why you're drawn to her if you're hoping to find the same thing that she is - true love - when you haven't experienced it either. It does exist, but it takes a lot of changing in oneself to be ready for it for many people because so many people don't know what true love is and instead mix it up with issues of possession and control, for example.
Thanks for explaining what it was like for you when you were a workaholic and why! With the guy who was/is a workaholic that I dated, I definitely thought he was losing interest and told him so back then, and he was shocked that I would think that. To this day he claims that he still loves me and that he messed things up with me because he ran and used various excuses at the time (plunging more into work and projects). But he still has the same tendency. Better than he used to be, maybe, but he still runs. He also tends to trust people he shouldn't. He's been betrayed a few times.
Ah yes, the real excuse that has holes in it that she so often uses - I know what that's like to be on the receiving end of that thanks to the guy I've been mentioning. One time his excuse, which he told me after he hadn't gotten back to me for close to two weeks, was that he was very sick and he had to plan and attend a fundraiser. So he was so sick that he planned and went to that event and couldn't inform me that he was busy until after that event? Sheesh, lol. By the time he did that I was sick of his pattern and didn't feel hurt. We were only friends at that point too, but we had just shared some person things with each other so the two week gap was a lot.
And it's good that you see that she initiates a lot of this, then backs out, in recent times. Pointing it out to her is good, if you feel like it, but whether she'll start to address it or not is hard to say. If she really wants true love she will have to or her life will be filled with frustrating relationships and she'll scare people off.
I can also see why you're drawn to her if you're hoping to find the same thing that she is - true love - when you haven't experienced it either. It does exist, but it takes a lot of changing in oneself to be ready for it for many people because so many people don't know what true love is and instead mix it up with issues of possession and control, for example.
Thanks for explaining what it was like for you when you were a workaholic and why! With the guy who was/is a workaholic that I dated, I definitely thought he was losing interest and told him so back then, and he was shocked that I would think that. To this day he claims that he still loves me and that he messed things up with me because he ran and used various excuses at the time (plunging more into work and projects). But he still has the same tendency. Better than he used to be, maybe, but he still runs. He also tends to trust people he shouldn't. He's been betrayed a few times.
Ah yes, the real excuse that has holes in it that she so often uses - I know what that's like to be on the receiving end of that thanks to the guy I've been mentioning. One time his excuse, which he told me after he hadn't gotten back to me for close to two weeks, was that he was very sick and he had to plan and attend a fundraiser. So he was so sick that he planned and went to that event and couldn't inform me that he was busy until after that event? Sheesh, lol. By the time he did that I was sick of his pattern and didn't feel hurt. We were only friends at that point too, but we had just shared some person things with each other so the two week gap was a lot.
* typo, sorry, it should be, "but we had just shared some personal things with each other".
Thanks for explaining what it was like for you when you were a workaholic and why! With the guy who was/is a workaholic that I dated, I definitely thought he was losing interest and told him so back then, and he was shocked that I would think that. To this day he claims that he still loves me and that he messed things up with me because he ran and used various excuses at the time (plunging more into work and projects). But he still has the same tendency. Better than he used to be, maybe, but he still runs. He also tends to trust people he shouldn't. He's been betrayed a few times.
We should talk about this, although I guess it's off topic for the Scorpio forum? Feel free to PM me on this topic if you want.
Here's where it gets complicated: the mind and the body don't always agree. Over the years, I've had several girls that rejected me when we were young to approach me and say they wish we had stayed together. And a few that I've felt the same way about. But as an adult, I realize that what happened was that I was the logical choice, but not the emotional / physical choice.
I don't think you've mentioned your age, but since this was 14 years old, I'm guessing that he was pretty immature and letting his actions be dictated by his physical impulses (maybe subconsciously). But now, as an adult, he realizes that he threw away a great relationship over something that's really pretty trivial.
If you're a logic-driven person like me, then it might be pretty tempting to take him back if, on paper, it's still a good match. But the problem there is that you'll never know whether he's going to cut and run once the passion ends again. Was that an immature decision, or in his nature?
Bringing this back around to the Scorpio girl, I wonder the same thing with her: maybe she recognizes me as a logical choice, but I'm not exactly making her heart race. If that's the case, I'd rather bail now. I believe that humans need to connect on 3 levels (physical, emotional, and intellectual) for it to really work out.
We should talk about this, although I guess it's off topic for the Scorpio forum? Feel free to PM me on this topic if you want.
Here's where it gets complicated: the mind and the body don't always agree. Over the years, I've had several girls that rejected me when we were young to approach me and say they wish we had stayed together. And a few that I've felt the same way about. But as an adult, I realize that what happened was that I was the logical choice, but not the emotional / physical choice.
I don't think you've mentioned your age, but since this was 14 years old, I'm guessing that he was pretty immature and letting his actions be dictated by his physical impulses (maybe subconsciously). But now, as an adult, he realizes that he threw away a great relationship over something that's really pretty trivial.
If you're a logic-driven person like me, then it might be pretty tempting to take him back if, on paper, it's still a good match. But the problem there is that you'll never know whether he's going to cut and run once the passion ends again. Was that an immature decision, or in his nature?
Bringing this back around to the Scorpio girl, I wonder the same thing with her: maybe she recognizes me as a logical choice, but I'm not exactly making her heart race. If that's the case, I'd rather bail now. I believe that humans need to connect on 3 levels (physical, emotional, and intellectual) for it to really work out.
And it's good that you see that she initiates a lot of this, then backs out, in recent times. Pointing it out to her is good, if you feel like it, but whether she'll start to address it or not is hard to say. If she really wants true love she will have to or her life will be filled with frustrating relationships and she'll scare people off.
I guess that I'm using Monday as a launching point, and I'm letting her decide which way it goes. If she doesn't show, or if there's simply not a real romantic connection, then I'm going to treat her like any other friend and explain to her, delicately but blatantly, that standing someone up is simply not appropriate.
If she can't handle a little constructive criticism, then we probably wouldn't be great friends, anyway.
If, however, there IS a spark, then I'll save that until the next time she stands me up... which I can't imagine would be that far in the future. If she actually keeps the date this time, I'll still suspect that she's just making an effort to keep me hooked, and once she feels like I'm "safe" again then she'll back off again.
I guess that I'm using Monday as a launching point, and I'm letting her decide which way it goes. If she doesn't show, or if there's simply not a real romantic connection, then I'm going to treat her like any other friend and explain to her, delicately but blatantly, that standing someone up is simply not appropriate.
If she can't handle a little constructive criticism, then we probably wouldn't be great friends, anyway.
If, however, there IS a spark, then I'll save that until the next time she stands me up... which I can't imagine would be that far in the future. If she actually keeps the date this time, I'll still suspect that she's just making an effort to keep me hooked, and once she feels like I'm "safe" again then she'll back off again.
Posted by Rambunctious76Posted by Damnata
Phoenix took the time to read all your goddamn thought ramblings..bless her scorpio soul.
Just..stop. Stop.
Gemini moon needs to read every detail to figure out a solution.click to expand
Oh? Can't speak for another Gem Moon, but I get bored with details, hence my response to the OP about being concise.
Every detail isn't necessary to figure out a problem.
I will PM you right after I post here. 🙂
The guy who ran from me was in his early 30s at the time, close to 2 years older than me. I'm in my mid 40s now. He's still running to some degree it seems (in other relationships he's been in recently, I mean). He had married someone when he was in his early 20s - too young, in his view looking back. He had been divorced for a few years before I met him.
I regret that I made the logical choice with one of my LTRs. You defined that very well, and that helps me summarize it! I promised myself that I would never do that again and kept that promise, but I made a few other mistakes after that. I agree that finding someone who meets all three of the important levels is, well, important.
I think that's good how you're looking at what this Scorpio woman will or won't do today and how you'll handle it. I hope that nothing will get in the way of you having clarity.
The guy who ran from me was in his early 30s at the time, close to 2 years older than me. I'm in my mid 40s now. He's still running to some degree it seems (in other relationships he's been in recently, I mean). He had married someone when he was in his early 20s - too young, in his view looking back. He had been divorced for a few years before I met him.
I regret that I made the logical choice with one of my LTRs. You defined that very well, and that helps me summarize it! I promised myself that I would never do that again and kept that promise, but I made a few other mistakes after that. I agree that finding someone who meets all three of the important levels is, well, important.
I think that's good how you're looking at what this Scorpio woman will or won't do today and how you'll handle it. I hope that nothing will get in the way of you having clarity.
Posted by csdude55
I truly apologize. I didn't realize that reading my thread was mandatory.
You're forgiven. Let it not happen again.
jk, I get Virgo sarcasm well and the passive aggressiveness/defensiveness.
Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head with your "maybe I don't make her heart race" comment. 12 pages of this topic is evidence of that.
Not trying to be mean but you seem to have lost your way at some point in your overthinking. I do overthink a lot too but this quest for certainty..you won't win. People will throw their cents as to what the dynamics at play are but in the end, certainty or not, you need to take a step back and look at everything you wrote in this topic. This isn't even about her, as much as it is about you feeling there could be one more tiny detail that went amiss, one scenario you haven't thought of. At the end of the day, it's spending mental energy recklessly. And oh boy do we need as much mental energy as possible to keep our easily disturbed sanity in check.
I'd suggest you read on mercurial energy in general. You have a lot of Virgo in your chart and Gemini..both will make your mind spin endlessly. You can use that fire in your moon and rising to either overthink more or step away. But I think stepping away is still hard for you because you feel you haven't figured it all out. Sometimes in life we shouldn't figure it all out, rather leave it be. Everything makes sense in time, each chapter/moment of our lives. But that's only my perspective.
Anyway, best of luck.
Posted by Rambunctious76Posted by PhoenixRisingPosted by Rambunctious76Posted by Damnata
Phoenix took the time to read all your goddamn thought ramblings..bless her scorpio soul.
Just..stop. Stop.
Gemini moon needs to read every detail to figure out a solution.
Oh? Can't speak for another Gem Moon, but I get bored with details, hence my response to the OP about being concise.
Every detail isn't necessary to figure out a problem.
OK my bad. I must be confusing you all with Virgo moons...I'm horrible at this!click to expand
Lol. No worries.
Also, Mercury deals with processing information, not the Moon (as it relates to your comment anyway). However I can see how things can be influenced (or confused) when the moon sign is ruled by a particular planet (e.g. Merc). For example, I am aroused by and drawn to people (feeling = moon) that are mentally stimulating (Gem) and I need this level of communication in all my relationships/interactions to stay connected. I also think through and analyze my emotions and rarely allow myself to simply "feel" them. I'm not sure how other Gem Moons deal.
Gemini moon here too, Scorpio sun.
"For example, I am aroused by and drawn to people (feeling = moon) that are mentally stimulating (Gem) and I need this level of communication in all my relationships/interactions to stay connected. I also think through and analyze my emotions and rarely allow myself to simply "feel" them."
Yes, pretty much this is how I am too, but I can be in states that are mostly feeling at times. My moon is in my first house so it's part of my outward expression. I think it makes me more verbally expressive than some Scorpios.
Also, I have 5 planets in the 6th house, including Venus and Mars, so that adds a Virgo flavour to how I am even though I only have one thing in Virgo (Pluto).
"For example, I am aroused by and drawn to people (feeling = moon) that are mentally stimulating (Gem) and I need this level of communication in all my relationships/interactions to stay connected. I also think through and analyze my emotions and rarely allow myself to simply "feel" them."
Yes, pretty much this is how I am too, but I can be in states that are mostly feeling at times. My moon is in my first house so it's part of my outward expression. I think it makes me more verbally expressive than some Scorpios.
Also, I have 5 planets in the 6th house, including Venus and Mars, so that adds a Virgo flavour to how I am even though I only have one thing in Virgo (Pluto).
Every detail isn't necessary to figure out a problem.
I humbly disagree. Without knowing the details, you fill in the blanks with potentially wrong data. This isn't a simple matter of, for example, "she stood me up" or "she canceled our date"; you need the details to know her reasons and where she's coming from, emotionally, before you can say whether she's simply not interested.
If it was so simple that it could have been explained in a single post, I wouldn't be asking for advise. People and relationships can be pretty complex.
Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
About 30 minutes before she was supposed to be here, she sent me a text that she's still trying to come, but she's waiting on an important phone call. Her grandmother (in Mexico) is sick and in the hospital, and they're waiting to hear how bad it is.
She had mentioned something like this in passing on Friday, so I don't really doubt it. So I guess this qualifies as "catastrophic". I mean, I wouldn't want to meet somebody, either, if I'm worried about my grandmother's health.
But again, that's the 8 millionth time that our plans were delayed or canceled by something like that. At least this time she told me, though, instead of just not showing and letting me figure it out for myself.
Either way, like I said before, I'm just thinking of it as my poor friend has a family problem, and will get with me when things are better.
I humbly disagree. Without knowing the details, you fill in the blanks with potentially wrong data. This isn't a simple matter of, for example, "she stood me up" or "she canceled our date"; you need the details to know her reasons and where she's coming from, emotionally, before you can say whether she's simply not interested.
If it was so simple that it could have been explained in a single post, I wouldn't be asking for advise. People and relationships can be pretty complex.
Catastrophic emergencies are the only excuse for not doing so after all of this!
About 30 minutes before she was supposed to be here, she sent me a text that she's still trying to come, but she's waiting on an important phone call. Her grandmother (in Mexico) is sick and in the hospital, and they're waiting to hear how bad it is.
She had mentioned something like this in passing on Friday, so I don't really doubt it. So I guess this qualifies as "catastrophic". I mean, I wouldn't want to meet somebody, either, if I'm worried about my grandmother's health.
But again, that's the 8 millionth time that our plans were delayed or canceled by something like that. At least this time she told me, though, instead of just not showing and letting me figure it out for myself.
Either way, like I said before, I'm just thinking of it as my poor friend has a family problem, and will get with me when things are better.
Posted by CopperDove
Gemini moon here too, Scorpio sun.
"For example, I am aroused by and drawn to people (feeling = moon) that are mentally stimulating (Gem) and I need this level of communication in all my relationships/interactions to stay connected. I also think through and analyze my emotions and rarely allow myself to simply "feel" them."
Yes, pretty much this is how I am too, but I can be in states that are mostly feeling at times. My moon is in my first house so it's part of my outward expression. I think it makes me more verbally expressive than some Scorpios.
Also, I have 5 planets in the 6th house, including Venus and Mars, so that adds a Virgo flavour to how I am even though I only have one thing in Virgo (Pluto).
🙂 I know. If I had any doubt, this thread confirmed it 😆.
Hmmm, most of my planets are in Scorp, a few of them in the 8th house. Pluto also in the 8th and non Scorp planets in the 8th, which may be why I'm not (verbally) expressive irl. I'm actually pretty quiet and get overwhelmed by "excessive" chatter. It causes me to overanalyze too many feelings. My chart doesn't play very well with my Moon at all.
I've been told I can be quite intense and passionate when I do express myself verbally though.
Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head with your "maybe I don't make her heart race" comment. 12 pages of this topic is evidence of that.
To be fair here, a lot of it's because the post size is limited, and my verbose self felt obligated to make several posts in a row. I went back and counted; as of this posting, of the current 141 posts in this thread, I made 59, and could have narrowed it down to 29 if not for the size limit.
I get your point, though; I just like to count and be exact :-)
Not trying to be mean but you seem to have lost your way at some point in your overthinking. I do overthink a lot too but this quest for certainty..you won't win. People will throw their cents as to what the dynamics at play are but in the end, certainty or not, you need to take a step back and look at everything you wrote in this topic. This isn't even about her, as much as it is about you feeling there could be one more tiny detail that went amiss, one scenario you haven't thought of. At the end of the day, it's spending mental energy recklessly. And oh boy do we need as much mental energy as possible to keep our easily disturbed sanity in check.
This will probably sound pretty stupid to a Scorpio, but overthinking everything is half the fun for me! LOL It's not like I'm sitting at home, drowning my tears in my beer. For the most part, it's been a fun distraction from my 20-hour work days.
Here, though, it started out as a general question of whether hot-and-cold tactics, overall flakiness, being overly flirty with a friend while refusing to flirt at all with an alleged love interest, etc, were common Scorpio traits. To which I've gotten mixed results; some say yes, while most say no.
I think that I came to a conclusion at around page 5 or 6 that I was going to just think of her as a generally flaky friend, until she makes an effort to make me think otherwise. After that, this thread mostly turned in to a fun chat session.
To be fair here, a lot of it's because the post size is limited, and my verbose self felt obligated to make several posts in a row. I went back and counted; as of this posting, of the current 141 posts in this thread, I made 59, and could have narrowed it down to 29 if not for the size limit.
I get your point, though; I just like to count and be exact :-)
Not trying to be mean but you seem to have lost your way at some point in your overthinking. I do overthink a lot too but this quest for certainty..you won't win. People will throw their cents as to what the dynamics at play are but in the end, certainty or not, you need to take a step back and look at everything you wrote in this topic. This isn't even about her, as much as it is about you feeling there could be one more tiny detail that went amiss, one scenario you haven't thought of. At the end of the day, it's spending mental energy recklessly. And oh boy do we need as much mental energy as possible to keep our easily disturbed sanity in check.
This will probably sound pretty stupid to a Scorpio, but overthinking everything is half the fun for me! LOL It's not like I'm sitting at home, drowning my tears in my beer. For the most part, it's been a fun distraction from my 20-hour work days.
Here, though, it started out as a general question of whether hot-and-cold tactics, overall flakiness, being overly flirty with a friend while refusing to flirt at all with an alleged love interest, etc, were common Scorpio traits. To which I've gotten mixed results; some say yes, while most say no.
I think that I came to a conclusion at around page 5 or 6 that I was going to just think of her as a generally flaky friend, until she makes an effort to make me think otherwise. After that, this thread mostly turned in to a fun chat session.
I'd suggest you read on mercurial energy in general. You have a lot of Virgo in your chart and Gemini..both will make your mind spin endlessly. You can use that fire in your moon and rising to either overthink more or step away. But I think stepping away is still hard for you because you feel you haven't figured it all out. Sometimes in life we shouldn't figure it all out, rather leave it be. Everything makes sense in time, each chapter/moment of our lives. But that's only my perspective.
On this, you're 100% correct! When this thread began, my head was in a constant spin; one day she acts like she's madly in love, then for 4 or 5 days I feel like a general acquaintance. Then right when I'm giving up, she's back to being madly in love again. Very confusing!
But after I decided to back off emotionally a few days ago, my head stopped spinning. I still don't know how she feels, but I'm not that concerned about it. She knows that I like her, so if she wants me, she'll come and get me. If she doesn't, then I have my answer, too. I'm not waiting around forever, though, and I'm not going to keep stressing unnecessarily.
I'll read up on mercurial energy, thanks for the tip 🙂 Astrology in general is still pretty new to me, so this has been a learning experience, to say the least.
On this, you're 100% correct! When this thread began, my head was in a constant spin; one day she acts like she's madly in love, then for 4 or 5 days I feel like a general acquaintance. Then right when I'm giving up, she's back to being madly in love again. Very confusing!
But after I decided to back off emotionally a few days ago, my head stopped spinning. I still don't know how she feels, but I'm not that concerned about it. She knows that I like her, so if she wants me, she'll come and get me. If she doesn't, then I have my answer, too. I'm not waiting around forever, though, and I'm not going to keep stressing unnecessarily.
I'll read up on mercurial energy, thanks for the tip 🙂 Astrology in general is still pretty new to me, so this has been a learning experience, to say the least.
Posted by csdude55
Every detail isn't necessary to figure out a problem.
I humbly disagree. Without knowing the details, you fill in the blanks with potentially wrong data. This isn't a simple matter of, for example, "she stood me up" or "she canceled our date"; you need the details to know her reasons and where she's coming from, emotionally, before you can say whether she's simply not interested.
If it was so simple that it could have been explained in a single post, I wouldn't be asking for advise. People and relationships can be pretty complex.
Hmph. No need to explain people or relationships to me thanks. My point, I don't invest in people that don't invest in me, so I don't need to know the details as to why a person didn't follow through (if we use your example of canceling vs being stood up). The "why" may be for a very legitimate reason, it doesn't matter. What matters to me is the fact that the person, whether emotionally, mentally or physically is not available to "be" with me. So I have an option, deny the truth of this fact and keep pushing to make something work or allow the person to simply "be" and if/when they are ready to truly and genuinely begin something, if I am free, then we can. All the answers from random strangers on an astrology board will not change that.
How have the details you've provided here helped you figure her out? Truly. You may have a different perspective when viewing her behaviour, but you truly do not know why she has done any of the things she has done thus far. All of the feedback you have received, including mine is all speculation. Your source for all of your question isn't on this board, yet here you are. Still. Asking the wrong people what she's feeling and why.
This stopped being about her a while ago.
Posted by csdude55
But after I decided to back off emotionally a few days ago, my head stopped spinning. I still don't know how she feels, but I'm not that concerned about it. She knows that I like her, so if she wants me, she'll come and get me. If she doesn't, then I have my answer, too. I'm not waiting around forever, though, and I'm not going to keep stressing unnecessarily.
Now that's a good attitude right there 😄
You enjoy talking to people and going by how you like dissecting stuff like all of us Virgos do..you'll probably like astrology. Us virgos usually are extreme about it..either roll our eyes or take to it like ducks to water.
Whatever you do, don't venture on the virgo forum. It's "Virgo men are teh devil and I cannot stand they don't obey my entitlement issues" season there.
Nice meeting you, astrotwin (same sun&moon)
All the answers from random strangers on an astrology board will not change that... How has the details you've provided here helped you figure her out? Truly. You may have a different perspective when viewing her behaviour, but you truly do not know why she has done any of the things she has done thus far... This stopped being about her a while ago.
You're right that this stopped being about her awhile back. But I disagree that the detailed discussion didn't change it.
Providing the details I gave helped me to pick out the most important details for a fair synopsis. Keeping in mind that she and I have exchanged over 2,000 FB messages and a few hundred texts in the last 2 months, I narrowed it down a LOT! LOL
The short posts ("she doesn't like you", etc) weren't all that helpful, but the ones that went in to detail to explain how Scorpios feel were exceptionally helpful and insightful. Especially the post from Energycreature, who has the same chart as this girl.
And the back and forth with Copper has certainly helped me to figure out some things about her perspective.
It didn't change her, of course, but all of it helped me to see the high- and low-lights more clearly, understand her a lot better, and to decide how to proceed. A simple poll wouldn't have had the same impact, by any means.
You're right that this stopped being about her awhile back. But I disagree that the detailed discussion didn't change it.
Providing the details I gave helped me to pick out the most important details for a fair synopsis. Keeping in mind that she and I have exchanged over 2,000 FB messages and a few hundred texts in the last 2 months, I narrowed it down a LOT! LOL
The short posts ("she doesn't like you", etc) weren't all that helpful, but the ones that went in to detail to explain how Scorpios feel were exceptionally helpful and insightful. Especially the post from Energycreature, who has the same chart as this girl.
And the back and forth with Copper has certainly helped me to figure out some things about her perspective.
It didn't change her, of course, but all of it helped me to see the high- and low-lights more clearly, understand her a lot better, and to decide how to proceed. A simple poll wouldn't have had the same impact, by any means.
Whatever you do, don't venture on the virgo forum. It's "Virgo men are teh devil and I cannot stand they don't obey my entitlement issues" season there.
Hahaha! But we're so sweet and kind, how could anyone say that? LOL
Nice meeting you, astrotwin (same sun&moon)
Finally, my twin! I've been looking for you forever 😄 Who knew I'd find you on a Scorpio forum?
Hahaha! But we're so sweet and kind, how could anyone say that? LOL
Nice meeting you, astrotwin (same sun&moon)
Finally, my twin! I've been looking for you forever 😄 Who knew I'd find you on a Scorpio forum?
😆! CS, you're growing on me.
God d*mn Virgos....
God d*mn Virgos....
Posted by csdude55
Hahaha! But we're so sweet and kind, how could anyone say that? LOL
IKR? The nerve of these..people...
Posted by csdude55
Finally, my twin! I've been looking for you forever 😄 Who knew I'd find you on a Scorpio forum?click to expand
I got lost cuz our glyphs are too much alike.
Posted by csdude55
The short posts ("she doesn't like you", etc) weren't all that helpful, but the ones that went in to detail to explain how Scorpios feel were exceptionally helpful and insightful. Especially the post from Energycreature, who has the same chart as this girl.
Yes I noticed you latched onto the ray of hope she offered in her post. However, correct me if I'm wrong, did EnergyCreature state she had the same chart as this Scorp, or simply state she had the same birthdate? Two different things.
Regardless, as CopperDove and I just demonstrated someone can have similar placements and approach life very differently. If I may ask, Copper where is your Merc?
I hate typos.
Hi PhoenixRising,
My Mercury is in Sag and it's in the 7th house.
I guess my Gem moon becomes pretty obvious when I post a lot, lol, and maybe my Sag Mercury does too if I start to philosophize. My moon and Mercury are only 1 degree apart with their opposition. I think both are strong parts of me.
That's interesting that you have a lot of 8th house and Scorpio in your chart and how that might affect self expression despite your Gemini moon. I agree that people can use the same energies a bit differently depending on other things in their chart, etc.
My Mercury is in Sag and it's in the 7th house.
I guess my Gem moon becomes pretty obvious when I post a lot, lol, and maybe my Sag Mercury does too if I start to philosophize. My moon and Mercury are only 1 degree apart with their opposition. I think both are strong parts of me.
That's interesting that you have a lot of 8th house and Scorpio in your chart and how that might affect self expression despite your Gemini moon. I agree that people can use the same energies a bit differently depending on other things in their chart, etc.
The point I am making is - Scorpios are either into you or they are not, very early on in the process. Black and white thinking. Just because they are fond of you and tell you stuff about themselves doesn't mean a thing. If they feel you're a trustworthy friend they will open up to you. But that's where the interest stops progressing to anything more (if they haven't already expressed that they're interested in you and want you, ALL of you).
Rambunctious, I didn't mean to ignore this post before. It didn't show up on my end until recently for some reason.
Being a more literal person, I tend to be the guy that says "I like you" if I like you. Or, if I don't, I'll clearly say, "you know that we're just talking as friends, right? I just want to make sure there's not a misunderstanding." So I do get confused when others aren't quite as literal or direct. I've never understood the point in intentionally leading someone on if you're not interested. What would one hope to gain?
Everyone has stated that if a Scorpio likes you then you'll know it, and I do believe that. But I swear that either I'm the most naive man in the world, or she throws out signs that she wants me, followed by signs that she doesn't, every time.
Example: earlier today, we were talking about her financial concerns for her grandmother, and she made a comment: "I don't want you to think that I'm with you for money..."
I didn't say anything, but I couldn't help but think, "you're with me?" I mean, that's a pretty clear indicator that, in her mind, she thinks of herself as "with" me.
But then, we were chatting right along until about 10pm, when she disappeared without warning. I had asked, "so, other than your grandmother, how was your day? Nothing went right for me at all today!" But she didn't read it immediately like the other messages.
1 1/2 hours later, she finally replied: "It was OK".
No questions or anything to further the conversation, no interest in what went wrong with my day, nothing. Which I would take as a pretty negative sign.
Or, it could just be that she was sleepy. Or distracted by something with her kids. She didn't tell me, so I don't know; all I can do is try to read her mind.
Either way, like I said before, I'm working with the assumption at this point that I'm just a sexy friend that she's trying to keep on the back burner. So unless she steps up her game, I'm demoting her to friend status, but keeping an open mind... just in case
Rambunctious, I didn't mean to ignore this post before. It didn't show up on my end until recently for some reason.
Being a more literal person, I tend to be the guy that says "I like you" if I like you. Or, if I don't, I'll clearly say, "you know that we're just talking as friends, right? I just want to make sure there's not a misunderstanding." So I do get confused when others aren't quite as literal or direct. I've never understood the point in intentionally leading someone on if you're not interested. What would one hope to gain?
Everyone has stated that if a Scorpio likes you then you'll know it, and I do believe that. But I swear that either I'm the most naive man in the world, or she throws out signs that she wants me, followed by signs that she doesn't, every time.
Example: earlier today, we were talking about her financial concerns for her grandmother, and she made a comment: "I don't want you to think that I'm with you for money..."
I didn't say anything, but I couldn't help but think, "you're with me?" I mean, that's a pretty clear indicator that, in her mind, she thinks of herself as "with" me.
But then, we were chatting right along until about 10pm, when she disappeared without warning. I had asked, "so, other than your grandmother, how was your day? Nothing went right for me at all today!" But she didn't read it immediately like the other messages.
1 1/2 hours later, she finally replied: "It was OK".
No questions or anything to further the conversation, no interest in what went wrong with my day, nothing. Which I would take as a pretty negative sign.
Or, it could just be that she was sleepy. Or distracted by something with her kids. She didn't tell me, so I don't know; all I can do is try to read her mind.
Either way, like I said before, I'm working with the assumption at this point that I'm just a sexy friend that she's trying to keep on the back burner. So unless she steps up her game, I'm demoting her to friend status, but keeping an open mind... just in case
However, correct me if I'm wrong, did EnergyCreature state she had the same chart as this Scorp, or simply state she had the same birthdate? Two different things.
Ech. You're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. 😢
(my art teacher in high school once mentioned that a man can win the heart of any woman with those 6 words)
Ech. You're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. 😢
(my art teacher in high school once mentioned that a man can win the heart of any woman with those 6 words)
Posted by csdude55
You're right that this stopped being about her awhile back. But I disagree that the detailed discussion didn't change it.
Okay, I see we are looking at the same picture, but seeing a different image. Let me try to approach this in a different way....True, the details you've provided have opened up a discussion that has adjusted your understanding of her behaviour to some degree, but how have the details you've provided---the way she laughs, the snack she shared, this hug lasting a bit longer than the last (I'm exaggerating here, but not really)---changed the fact that she is not mentally, emotionally and clearly physically available to be with you at this point and time? That is the issue (or "problem" on the table) as far as the OP is concerned. You however see the problem as something else entirely. As I've stated this is no longer about her. It don't think it was really about her when you first posted the OP.
I've come to realize that people often create threads either because they genuinely want support with an issue or they have already made up their mind about said issue and simply want validation. It doesn't take long to figure out which category they are in after a few posts. Virgos are a bit tricker because y'all just discuss things to death, but at some point you show your cards.
Post after post you were given the feedback that she isn't respecting you or demonstrating she is fully invested, yet you latched on to EnergyCreature's post like it was your last breath. You even saw something you wanted to see to make her feedback more valid than the others (e.g. "has the same chart as this girl"), when EC didn't even post her chart.
You're unwilling to accept that she just isn't available* to you without personalizing it. She isn't a "problem" to be solved. She is a human being that simply isn't giving what you want as you would like for various reason that may have absolutely nothing to do with you. You've referred to her as flaky, which is somewhat derogatory why? Because she is not responding in a way that works for you on your terms?
*She may genuinely like you as a person and enjoys your company, but simply can't give you what you desire right now because her mind and emotions are not in it. I don't agree with how she's communicating that to you, but she is "communicating" that to you. Rather than simple see this for what it is (poor timing or a lack of romantic interest), you've personalize it. Why is that? Better yet, why are you willing to settle for someone that gives you half of herself and takes you for granted all under the guise of "I simply need to figure her out...people are complex"? What's there to figure out? You set a standard for yourself and people meet them or they don't. It doesn't make them less of a person because they can't meet your standards (e.g. flaky, immature, game player *fill in the blank*), it simply means they are not the right person for you at this stage in your life. She is at another stage of life. Keep in mind, this is coming from a fixed sign, so I recognize that may be the reason I'm a little lost on your approach.
Posted by csdude55
And the back and forth with Copper has certainly helped me to figure out some things about her perspective....understand her a lot better.
Wrong. It helped you see things from Copper's perspective, as another female Scorp. Don't confuse the two. The only way you can get something from her perspective is to ask her directly. All of the feedback you've received in this thread is filtered through ours lens, based on what you've shared. Therefore it's limited. The worst thing you can do is walk away thinking you "know" this woman now because of a few exchanges in this thread. It's insulting.
Posted by csdude55
It didn't change her, of course, but all of it helped me to see the high- and low-lights more clearly...and to decide how to proceed.click to expand
So, you're telling me that you've decided to proceed in a particular way, not based on the standards you've set for yourself, but the *deeper understanding* of the mood, issues and behaviour of another person. So why exactly were you upset about her "knowing I am looking for a serious relationship" and basically pissing all over that if you've put her in the drivers seat anyway?
Posted by csdude55
However, correct me if I'm wrong, did EnergyCreature state she had the same chart as this Scorp, or simply state she had the same birthdate? Two different things.
Ech. You're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. 😢
(my art teacher in high school once mentioned that a man can win the heart of any woman with those 6 words)
Heart? *shrug* All it's earned you is another day on earth without feeling the Stinger 😛
Posted by csdude55
...Being a more literal person, I tend to be the guy that says "I like you" if I like you. Or, if I don't, I'll clearly say, "you know that we're just talking as friends, right? I just want to make sure there's not a misunderstanding." So I do get confused when others aren't quite as literal or direct. I've never understood the point in intentionally leading someone on if you're not interested. What would one hope to gain?
Example: earlier today, we were talking about her financial concerns for her grandmother, and she made a comment: "I don't want you to think that I'm with you for money..."
I didn't say anything, but I couldn't help but think, "you're with me?" I mean, that's a pretty clear indicator that, in her mind, she thinks of herself as "with" me.
Why not? Not very direct of you is it? What would have been wrong with clarifying things in that moment unless you really didn't want to hear the answer. You could have put an end to the endless questions in your head about her behaviour. Just sayin'...
As for this:
Posted by csdude55
...all I can do is try to read her mind.
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😕 is that really all you can do? What are you afraid you will hear her say?
PhoenixRising True, the details you've provided have opened up a discussion that has adjusted your understanding of her behaviour to some degree, but how have the details you've provided---the way she laughs, the snack she shared, this hug lasting a bit longer than the last (I'm exaggerating here, but not really)---changed the fact that she is not mentally, emotionally and clearly physically available to be with you at this point and time?
I'm not sure what you're asking. What I saw as flirty signals (like multiple 2-armed hugs, sitting next to me, and sharing her snack), you guys pointed out to be things that a Scorpio would do with anybody. If I did those things, I would intend it as a big flirtation signal. I mean, if I'm not thinking of you romantically, then please keep your grubby hands off my food! LOL
It didn't change her, of course, but it changed my perception. And that was the whole point; I wanted to know whether my perception was wrong. Had I not posted those details to be refuted, then I would still be thinking, "yeah, but they don't know about this..."
Post after post you were given the feedback that she isn't respecting you or demonstrating she is fully invested, yet you latched on to EnergyCreature's post like it was your last breath. You even saw something you wanted to see to make her feedback more valid than the others (e.g. "has the same chart as this girl"), when EC didn't even post her chart.
Now, don't jump a little too far here. You'll recall that, when EC posted, I had never looked up a birth chart, and had no real understanding of it. At the time, to me, a Scorpio was a Scorpio was a Scorpio.
I took EC's post a little more sincerely because she had the same birthday, and described herself as having a lot of the same traits as this girl; traits that you don't seem to have. So yes, it does appear that someone similar to her would have better insight. I don't think that was "latching on", per se, as much as trying to find the most qualified response.
I didn't learn about birth charts until Libralula asked later, so when I said that they had the same birth chart earlier, I just got my memories mixed up. That wasn't a deeper sign of a hidden meaning.
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I'm not sure what you're asking. What I saw as flirty signals (like multiple 2-armed hugs, sitting next to me, and sharing her snack), you guys pointed out to be things that a Scorpio would do with anybody. If I did those things, I would intend it as a big flirtation signal. I mean, if I'm not thinking of you romantically, then please keep your grubby hands off my food! LOL
It didn't change her, of course, but it changed my perception. And that was the whole point; I wanted to know whether my perception was wrong. Had I not posted those details to be refuted, then I would still be thinking, "yeah, but they don't know about this..."
Post after post you were given the feedback that she isn't respecting you or demonstrating she is fully invested, yet you latched on to EnergyCreature's post like it was your last breath. You even saw something you wanted to see to make her feedback more valid than the others (e.g. "has the same chart as this girl"), when EC didn't even post her chart.
Now, don't jump a little too far here. You'll recall that, when EC posted, I had never looked up a birth chart, and had no real understanding of it. At the time, to me, a Scorpio was a Scorpio was a Scorpio.
I took EC's post a little more sincerely because she had the same birthday, and described herself as having a lot of the same traits as this girl; traits that you don't seem to have. So yes, it does appear that someone similar to her would have better insight. I don't think that was "latching on", per se, as much as trying to find the most qualified response.
I didn't learn about birth charts until Libralula asked later, so when I said that they had the same birth chart earlier, I just got my memories mixed up. That wasn't a deeper sign of a hidden meaning.
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You're unwilling to accept that she just isn't available* to you without personalizing it. She isn't a "problem" to be solved. She is a human being that simply isn't giving what you want as you would like for various reason that may have absolutely nothing to do with you.
No, I accepted it awhile back. But surely even you can admit that it's very confusing for her to constantly arrange times for us to be together (even entire days), and then back out at the last minute. Or, when I blatantly ask if she likes me, wants to kiss me, etc, she replies with a blush, a giggle, and "I'm so shy" (or something similar).
You've referred to her as flaky, which is somewhat derogatory why? Because she is not responding in a way that works for you on your terms?
I don't mean it as derogatory. I said that she's flaky because, from December until now, she has arranged 11 times for us to be together, and either simply didn't show, or backed out at the last minute, for every one of them.
By definition, "flaky" is an adjective for "unreliable". I think that's a pretty apt description.
No, I accepted it awhile back. But surely even you can admit that it's very confusing for her to constantly arrange times for us to be together (even entire days), and then back out at the last minute. Or, when I blatantly ask if she likes me, wants to kiss me, etc, she replies with a blush, a giggle, and "I'm so shy" (or something similar).
You've referred to her as flaky, which is somewhat derogatory why? Because she is not responding in a way that works for you on your terms?
I don't mean it as derogatory. I said that she's flaky because, from December until now, she has arranged 11 times for us to be together, and either simply didn't show, or backed out at the last minute, for every one of them.
By definition, "flaky" is an adjective for "unreliable". I think that's a pretty apt description.
Rambunctious76 The thing is, she's giving you signals but never actually said outright she wants to be with you?
She has, but just not in a clear, satisfactory way. I've mentioned it a few times in person, and she always gets real shy and bashful, giggly and nervous, and will say something like "I'm just so shy!" At the time, it feels like a clear yes, but then later I realize that she didn't actually say, "yes".
Talking online, there have been a few times when I told her that I was going to pull away; like a few weeks ago, when I was pretty pissed that she was flirting with her Egyptian friend. Those are the times that she says that she wants to be with me, "but..."
And there's always a perfectly reasonable "but"; most commonly that her ex (the father of her kids) is pressuring her to go back to him, and her family is pressuring her, too.
To me, this felt like she's torn between what she wants, and what she feels like she is supposed to do.
And she has struck up several conversations about "when" we move in together, or "when" we get married. I always reply back with, "you know we haven't even had our first kiss yet?" To which she usually replies with a smiley face, or sometimes a kissing emoji.
She has, but just not in a clear, satisfactory way. I've mentioned it a few times in person, and she always gets real shy and bashful, giggly and nervous, and will say something like "I'm just so shy!" At the time, it feels like a clear yes, but then later I realize that she didn't actually say, "yes".
Talking online, there have been a few times when I told her that I was going to pull away; like a few weeks ago, when I was pretty pissed that she was flirting with her Egyptian friend. Those are the times that she says that she wants to be with me, "but..."
And there's always a perfectly reasonable "but"; most commonly that her ex (the father of her kids) is pressuring her to go back to him, and her family is pressuring her, too.
To me, this felt like she's torn between what she wants, and what she feels like she is supposed to do.
And she has struck up several conversations about "when" we move in together, or "when" we get married. I always reply back with, "you know we haven't even had our first kiss yet?" To which she usually replies with a smiley face, or sometimes a kissing emoji.
PhoenixRising Rather than simple see this for what it is (poor timing or a lack of romantic interest), you've personalize it. Why is that?
I'm not sure that I understand what you mean when you say I'm personalizing it. That's the 2nd or 3rd time you said it, and I don't want to misunderstand. Do you mean, why am I taking it personally?
I totally accept that it could be poor timing or a lack of interest, which is why I started the thread in the first place. I was going back and forth, almost daily; one day there would be a clear sign that she liked me, and then the next there would be a clear sign that she didn't. I just needed some unbiased, qualified insight to help me to stop spinning.
And I think I've gotten that by now. I came to a conclusion Saturday; after that, the rest of this has just been chit-chat.
Better yet, why are you willing to settle for someone that gives you half of herself and takes you for granted all under the guise of "I simply need to figure her out...people are complex"? What's there to figure out?
I appreciate your perspective there, that's actually kind of an eye-opening thing to say.
From my perspective, I'm seeing it more like... we have a lot in common, have great conversations, and this could potentially be a great relationship. She seems like she's really in to me about half the time, but then the other half she justifies by saying she's either shy, or just depressed.
So my question all along has been, is she giving "half of herself" and taking me for granted, like you said? Or is she simply shy, and maybe gotten a little busy with other important things?
That's what I was trying to figure out. If it's an issue of timing, I'm OK with that; I don't have anyone else that I'm interested in, anyway, and I don't mind being "mostly" friends if there's a promise of something more in the near future. But I don't want to be the fool kept on the back burner forever, either, just because she thinks it's fun and an ego boost.
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I'm not sure that I understand what you mean when you say I'm personalizing it. That's the 2nd or 3rd time you said it, and I don't want to misunderstand. Do you mean, why am I taking it personally?
I totally accept that it could be poor timing or a lack of interest, which is why I started the thread in the first place. I was going back and forth, almost daily; one day there would be a clear sign that she liked me, and then the next there would be a clear sign that she didn't. I just needed some unbiased, qualified insight to help me to stop spinning.
And I think I've gotten that by now. I came to a conclusion Saturday; after that, the rest of this has just been chit-chat.
Better yet, why are you willing to settle for someone that gives you half of herself and takes you for granted all under the guise of "I simply need to figure her out...people are complex"? What's there to figure out?
I appreciate your perspective there, that's actually kind of an eye-opening thing to say.
From my perspective, I'm seeing it more like... we have a lot in common, have great conversations, and this could potentially be a great relationship. She seems like she's really in to me about half the time, but then the other half she justifies by saying she's either shy, or just depressed.
So my question all along has been, is she giving "half of herself" and taking me for granted, like you said? Or is she simply shy, and maybe gotten a little busy with other important things?
That's what I was trying to figure out. If it's an issue of timing, I'm OK with that; I don't have anyone else that I'm interested in, anyway, and I don't mind being "mostly" friends if there's a promise of something more in the near future. But I don't want to be the fool kept on the back burner forever, either, just because she thinks it's fun and an ego boost.
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You set a standard for yourself and people meet them or they don't. It doesn't make them less of a person because they can't meet your standards (e.g. flaky, immature, game player *fill in the blank*), it simply means they are not the right person for you at this stage in your life. She is at another stage of life.
I do have standards, but I recognize that those standards are almost impossibly high. So I have to make acceptable allowances at times, and recognize that some points will be more heavily weighted than others.
I'm willing to accept a little immaturity or flakiness (not derogatory, just stating facts) in exchange for a strong emotional connection. But I'm not willing to accept a weak emotional connection in exchange for a strong intellectual (or possibly physical) connection.
The only way you can get something from her perspective is to ask her directly. All of the feedback you've received in this thread is filtered through ours lens, based on what you've shared.
Very true. What hasn't been suggested, though, is how to ask her directly when she gets shy and can't/won't answer?
The worst thing you can do is walk away thinking you "know" this woman now because of a few exchanges in this thread. It's insulting.
Coming back to something you said earlier... if I'm being 100% honest, when I started this thread, I was ready to bail, anyway. I think that on some level, I was hoping you guys would see things that I didn't, and maybe you could talk me out of it.
I don't think that I "know" her, but I do think that talking about it (in depth) has helped me to clarify how I see things. Fair or not, if she's not willing to open up (especially when she sees me leaving), then I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
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I do have standards, but I recognize that those standards are almost impossibly high. So I have to make acceptable allowances at times, and recognize that some points will be more heavily weighted than others.
I'm willing to accept a little immaturity or flakiness (not derogatory, just stating facts) in exchange for a strong emotional connection. But I'm not willing to accept a weak emotional connection in exchange for a strong intellectual (or possibly physical) connection.
The only way you can get something from her perspective is to ask her directly. All of the feedback you've received in this thread is filtered through ours lens, based on what you've shared.
Very true. What hasn't been suggested, though, is how to ask her directly when she gets shy and can't/won't answer?
The worst thing you can do is walk away thinking you "know" this woman now because of a few exchanges in this thread. It's insulting.
Coming back to something you said earlier... if I'm being 100% honest, when I started this thread, I was ready to bail, anyway. I think that on some level, I was hoping you guys would see things that I didn't, and maybe you could talk me out of it.
I don't think that I "know" her, but I do think that talking about it (in depth) has helped me to clarify how I see things. Fair or not, if she's not willing to open up (especially when she sees me leaving), then I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
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So, you're telling me that you've decided to proceed in a particular way, not based on the standards you've set for yourself, but the *deeper understanding* of the mood, issues and behaviour of another person. So why exactly were you upset about her "knowing I am looking for a serious relationship" and basically pissing all over that if you've put her in the drivers seat anyway?
I'm not sure that I understand you here. I would have been all-in if she had been, but you guys have made it very clear that she's not even half-in.
I wasn't exactly "upset" about her "knowing I am looking for a serious relationship"... I think "confused" is the right adjective. She told me in the beginning that she was looking for a relationship, and I moved forward based on that. If she had said "friend", "flirt buddy", or "FWB", that would have been OK, too, but she didn't. And then when she came back to me after our hiatus, and started talking about relationship things (the second day we talked, she mentioned that we should spend a month in Egypt together, and started asking me to come see her at work), it was very confusing... why say these things to someone that has already expressed wanting a relationship, if all you want is a friend or flirt buddy?
In my world, it's very simple. If you want a flirt buddy, you say "I would like to have a flirt buddy". You don't say "I want a serious relationship".
Why not? Not very direct of you is it? What would have been wrong with clarifying things in that moment unless you really didn't want to hear the answer.
We were talking about her 82 year old grandmother going in to the hospital with a possible stroke, and she's worrying about her dying. She was obviously pretty upset. It didn't seem like the right time to ask for clarification on our relationship...
I'm not sure that I understand you here. I would have been all-in if she had been, but you guys have made it very clear that she's not even half-in.
I wasn't exactly "upset" about her "knowing I am looking for a serious relationship"... I think "confused" is the right adjective. She told me in the beginning that she was looking for a relationship, and I moved forward based on that. If she had said "friend", "flirt buddy", or "FWB", that would have been OK, too, but she didn't. And then when she came back to me after our hiatus, and started talking about relationship things (the second day we talked, she mentioned that we should spend a month in Egypt together, and started asking me to come see her at work), it was very confusing... why say these things to someone that has already expressed wanting a relationship, if all you want is a friend or flirt buddy?
In my world, it's very simple. If you want a flirt buddy, you say "I would like to have a flirt buddy". You don't say "I want a serious relationship".
Why not? Not very direct of you is it? What would have been wrong with clarifying things in that moment unless you really didn't want to hear the answer.
We were talking about her 82 year old grandmother going in to the hospital with a possible stroke, and she's worrying about her dying. She was obviously pretty upset. It didn't seem like the right time to ask for clarification on our relationship...
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I'm not sure that I understand you here. I would have been all-in if she had been, but you guys have made it very clear that she's not even half-in.
BOTTOM LINE "dude"
Every Scorpio man and woman I know in the REAL WORLD...
If they want you THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY WANT YOU AND MAKE IT KNOWN. Anything short of that, walk away.
Common sense and logic. DXP isn't the real world, and watching you hang onto every word given here is just ridiculous. Be a man when grandma gets better...give it to her straight and ASK DIRECTLY. If she doesn't answer SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU.
Actually forget my questions.
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
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Why not? Not very direct of you is it? What would have been wrong with clarifying things in that moment unless you really didn't want to hear the answer.
We were talking about her 82 year old grandmother going in to the hospital with a possible stroke, and she's worrying about her dying. She was obviously pretty upset. It didn't seem like the right time to ask for clarification on our relationship...
Right. I misunderstood the context of the conversation. I missed something.
All the same, there appears to one reason or another to remain confused about where you stand with her.
As for talking to a woman that claims to be shy about where the two of you stand...all I can point out is she seems to be quite direct and upfront about how she feels when she's posting comments on the Egyptian's FB page. She also has no issue asking you for things when she wants them (e.g. financial support, time, attention), but she can't answer your questions? Take from the latter part of this post what you will.
Just to clarify, you guys did catch that I said I had given up on page 7, right? Pretty much everything after that has just been us chatting about birth charts, or clarifying earlier statements.
Right. I misunderstood the context of the conversation. I missed something.
We had been talking about her grandmother for about an hour, and she had told me that in Mexico, you have to have cash upfront for medical treatment. They're all concerned because they don't have the money that the doctors want, which basically means that her grandmother could be left to die on the street.
Her exact comment was, "Please don't think that I'm asking you for money or anything. I don't want you to think that I'm with you for money."
I don't know if I'm reading too much in to that or what, but like I said, I couldn't very well break away from this emotional topic to say, "wait, let's clarify our relationship real fast..."
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Right. I misunderstood the context of the conversation. I missed something.
We had been talking about her grandmother for about an hour, and she had told me that in Mexico, you have to have cash upfront for medical treatment. They're all concerned because they don't have the money that the doctors want, which basically means that her grandmother could be left to die on the street.
Her exact comment was, "Please don't think that I'm asking you for money or anything. I don't want you to think that I'm with you for money."
I don't know if I'm reading too much in to that or what, but like I said, I couldn't very well break away from this emotional topic to say, "wait, let's clarify our relationship real fast..."
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As for talking to a woman that claims to be shy about where the two of you stand...all I can point out is she seems to be quite direct and upfront about how she feels when she's posting comments on the Egyptian's FB page. She also has no issue asking you for things when she wants them (e.g. financial support, time, attention), but she can't answer your questions?
This is probably the #1 thing that bothered me, too. And I felt the same way. But when I confronted her with it, she said that they were just friends and not serious, and that it didn't really mean anything. And since then, she did mostly stop (but not entirely).
I was completely ready to bail because of this, until she specifically asked me to stay. And that's when I started this thread.
I could see it in 2 ways:
1. When she first contacted me, she was very direct and confident. Over time, though, she's gotten more shy and giggly, and has stopped being direct. This makes me think that maybe she can be direct when she doesn't really mean it (like, she's faking it), but when she starts to have feelings then she clams up.
2. Maybe it's the opposite. She liked me a lot in the beginning, so she had no problem saying that. And over time, she's lost interest, so she doesn't want to say it anymore.
There have been a lot of signals that it's #1 and not #2, but it's never been crystal clear.
Regardless, like I said before, I've given her way too many chances to make it clear. She suggested an all-day date last week, then couldn't. She suggested an all-day date on Saturday, then couldn't. She suggested coming to see me for a few hours on Monday, then couldn't. She suggested coming to see me for an hour tonight (Tuesday), then couldn't. She's been very apologetic, but like you guys have said, the actions are louder than the words.
That's just way too many chances. I've given her my schedule, and said she can come at any of those times, just let me know about 30 minutes ahead of time. I'm not sitting around waiting on her.
This is probably the #1 thing that bothered me, too. And I felt the same way. But when I confronted her with it, she said that they were just friends and not serious, and that it didn't really mean anything. And since then, she did mostly stop (but not entirely).
I was completely ready to bail because of this, until she specifically asked me to stay. And that's when I started this thread.
I could see it in 2 ways:
1. When she first contacted me, she was very direct and confident. Over time, though, she's gotten more shy and giggly, and has stopped being direct. This makes me think that maybe she can be direct when she doesn't really mean it (like, she's faking it), but when she starts to have feelings then she clams up.
2. Maybe it's the opposite. She liked me a lot in the beginning, so she had no problem saying that. And over time, she's lost interest, so she doesn't want to say it anymore.
There have been a lot of signals that it's #1 and not #2, but it's never been crystal clear.
Regardless, like I said before, I've given her way too many chances to make it clear. She suggested an all-day date last week, then couldn't. She suggested an all-day date on Saturday, then couldn't. She suggested coming to see me for a few hours on Monday, then couldn't. She suggested coming to see me for an hour tonight (Tuesday), then couldn't. She's been very apologetic, but like you guys have said, the actions are louder than the words.
That's just way too many chances. I've given her my schedule, and said she can come at any of those times, just let me know about 30 minutes ahead of time. I'm not sitting around waiting on her.
If they want you THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY WANT YOU AND MAKE IT KNOWN. Anything short of that, walk away.
Common sense and logic. DXP isn't the real world, and watching you hang onto every word given here is just ridiculous. Be a man when grandma gets better...give it to her straight and ASK DIRECTLY. If she doesn't answer SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU.
You actually hit upon something that's been bugging me a little.
I had already decided to walk away, but now there's the issue with granny, and her needing emotional support. If she's thinking that she's "with" me (her words), and I bail while granny's on her deathbed... that's a pretty messed up thing to do.
So I'm not walking away, per se, I'm just treating her like I would treat any other friend.
So you're adding on to that pressure huh? LOL.
Yup, that has crossed my mind more than once, too. That's one of the many reasons that I took a step back. On May 23, I told her that I was backing off romantically because of her ex and her Egyptian "friend". Frankly, I'm not going to be anybody's 2nd or 3rd place prize.
Since then, I've stopped all flirting, I've stopped using pet names, etc. I've gone to see her at work twice, though (at her request). She's set up dates no less than 5 times, though, that she has subsequently canceled.
I have no desire to add pressure to her life. As far as I'm concerned, I told her how I feel, so if she wants me then she'll come and get me.
Yeah but your Virgo Merc and Gemini Mars just to want to keep going on and on about it like the Energizer bunny. I think it's hilarious.
Soooo not fair! LOL You guys ask me questions, I answer, and I'm the one going on and on about it?
I was ready to start getting to know my cute astro twin, but you all have to keep bringing this mess up! 😄
Common sense and logic. DXP isn't the real world, and watching you hang onto every word given here is just ridiculous. Be a man when grandma gets better...give it to her straight and ASK DIRECTLY. If she doesn't answer SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU.
You actually hit upon something that's been bugging me a little.
I had already decided to walk away, but now there's the issue with granny, and her needing emotional support. If she's thinking that she's "with" me (her words), and I bail while granny's on her deathbed... that's a pretty messed up thing to do.
So I'm not walking away, per se, I'm just treating her like I would treat any other friend.
So you're adding on to that pressure huh? LOL.
Yup, that has crossed my mind more than once, too. That's one of the many reasons that I took a step back. On May 23, I told her that I was backing off romantically because of her ex and her Egyptian "friend". Frankly, I'm not going to be anybody's 2nd or 3rd place prize.
Since then, I've stopped all flirting, I've stopped using pet names, etc. I've gone to see her at work twice, though (at her request). She's set up dates no less than 5 times, though, that she has subsequently canceled.
I have no desire to add pressure to her life. As far as I'm concerned, I told her how I feel, so if she wants me then she'll come and get me.
Yeah but your Virgo Merc and Gemini Mars just to want to keep going on and on about it like the Energizer bunny. I think it's hilarious.
Soooo not fair! LOL You guys ask me questions, I answer, and I'm the one going on and on about it?
I was ready to start getting to know my cute astro twin, but you all have to keep bringing this mess up! 😄
"What I saw as flirty signals (like multiple 2-armed hugs, sitting next to me, and sharing her snack), you guys pointed out to be things that a Scorpio would do with anybody. If I did those things, I would intend it as a big flirtation signal. I mean, if I'm not thinking of you romantically, then please keep your grubby hands off my food! LOL"
LOL! I can relate to your way of doing things.
So I wouldn't say that a Scorpio would do that with anybody. It depends on the Scorpio in question. I would not initiate any of that unless I felt very strongly that there was a mutual attraction, for example. I'm friendly but also I can be shy. Those kinds of things are rather intimate to me so they are reserved for mutual attractions only.
Some people are quite touchy-feely and will do those kinds of things with people they care about as friends only, for example.
And your examples of how you flirt with female friends, when both sides know it's just for fun, is something that some people might misread and think that it shows attraction.
I had a female friend who confused several men because she seemed to be giving signals of attraction when she wasn't interested in them that way. She got feedback from one of the men that helped her zero in on what she was doing wrong. When she told me about it. I could understand why the men thought she felt more than she did. She would touch their arm a few times when talking to them, for example, and lean in somewhat close.
She faced the reality of her behaviour after that. Part of her motivation, she realized, was that she liked attention from men. She could be quite insecure and would feel extra good if a man paid attention to her and complimented her, etc. So even if she wasn't attracted to a guy particularly, she often wanted his attention in some way, unless he was creepy in which case she wouldn't act like that at all.
LOL! I can relate to your way of doing things.
So I wouldn't say that a Scorpio would do that with anybody. It depends on the Scorpio in question. I would not initiate any of that unless I felt very strongly that there was a mutual attraction, for example. I'm friendly but also I can be shy. Those kinds of things are rather intimate to me so they are reserved for mutual attractions only.
Some people are quite touchy-feely and will do those kinds of things with people they care about as friends only, for example.
And your examples of how you flirt with female friends, when both sides know it's just for fun, is something that some people might misread and think that it shows attraction.
I had a female friend who confused several men because she seemed to be giving signals of attraction when she wasn't interested in them that way. She got feedback from one of the men that helped her zero in on what she was doing wrong. When she told me about it. I could understand why the men thought she felt more than she did. She would touch their arm a few times when talking to them, for example, and lean in somewhat close.
She faced the reality of her behaviour after that. Part of her motivation, she realized, was that she liked attention from men. She could be quite insecure and would feel extra good if a man paid attention to her and complimented her, etc. So even if she wasn't attracted to a guy particularly, she often wanted his attention in some way, unless he was creepy in which case she wouldn't act like that at all.
What does this actually mean?!?! PLEASE don't give her any money. Let her get money from her Egyptian friend. She makes me cringe....
I have a very strong feeling that she is using you. Please don't give her any money. Support her in other ways...
I'm confused. She hasn't asked for money, nor have I offered any. Earlier, she was talking about the family being worried about the financial aspect, but she quickly stated that she was not asking me for money, and didn't want me to think that she was.
I have a very strong feeling that she is using you. Please don't give her any money. Support her in other ways...
I'm confused. She hasn't asked for money, nor have I offered any. Earlier, she was talking about the family being worried about the financial aspect, but she quickly stated that she was not asking me for money, and didn't want me to think that she was.
I gotcha. No, no, I just mean, like, a shoulder to cry on. I'm a sucker for love, but I'm not stupid 😉
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