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It was t she sexualized and exploited. Just like the movie showed?
After watching it and after reading some articles about it, I think people are upset that a large portion of it is fictionallzed. The movie is written to make you feel sad for and pity her.. I teared up quite a bit throughout, they portrayed her as someone who was self loathing and desperate to be loved. Certain points were cringe..
But I think the writer projected his own perception of who she was or what she felt, rather than really telling her side of the story. He even admitted that the research that he did on her life was mostly left out of the movie. So I guess it’s controversial because it’s admittedly not very honest.
Like those letters from her father
Yeah made sound like she killed herself after hearing her first love died n he sent her a baby gift for unborn child. The dude die six years after Monroe’s death. Yeah I’d like it better if they Stuck with real info
She went down hill after the baby miscarriage with Arthur miller. The firm did not let her mourn so she turned to drugs n alcohol. Frankly the scene with the president is probably how it actually occurred vs our glamorous ideas of romance between them. Probably more realistic
I posted my comment about him how he didn’t really care. This interview is also telling. It’s a very shallow view more about shocking an audience told from a man who clearly doesn’t actually give a shit about her as a human being. I tried watching it. It’s literally porn. I think he fantasizes about her and gets off on her and wanted to make a film to express that. Visually it’s very well done which is all he seemed to care about and the costuming makeup sets etc all really good. I don’t need to watch a smut version of her life that’s being tossed around as a biologically accurate version of her life. It’s based on fiction but acts like it’s real.
It feels disgusting. Objectified and torturously sexualized and it’s just so 2D shallow and basically I come off feelings like it’s some creep doing his Madonna Whore complex for almost 3 hrs trying to pass it off as creative genius. I got to minute 45 and was so sick to my stomach. It just feels dirty. I mean please watch it for yourself (illegally preferably so they don’t profit off of this) but realize it’s exploiting things she’s actually struggled painfully with as a human. She’s not someone to be idolized but I don’t want to see her portrayed like this either. It’s not art it’s show. Everything is heavy handed nothing is particularly great in anything I saw and I don’t think it’s genius to just showing shocking things. But men love to do mediocre shit with shock value and call it art so what do I know.
See i didn’t get the feeling that he was objectifying her.. but I did feel that he portrayed her as being self loathing and desperate for love..
The fact that he started the movie out showing her abusive mother that rejected her, then the absent father that rejected her, I knew right away where he was going with it.
Then in the article he confirms it by saying “But there was a story I was interested in telling, which is about how childhood drama shapes an adult’s perception of the world, and I could sort of see that within Blonde. I’m not even sure if I knew that consciously.”
So I didn’t feel like he was trying to objectify her, in fact that was a part of the movie.. the conflict she felt between being objectified by Hollywood instead of being accepted as who she was, Norma Jean.
I thought it was a good movie that touched on some real-life issues that many people can probably relate to… however i agree that it wasn’t fair for him to portray her in that light and assume that she was really that self-loathing, desperate type.
We can agree to disagree. Self masturbation is basically what I got out of the 45 minutes I could stand.
You masturbated? To non porn? WOW!
I’m talking about the director, Tati.
Let's be honest most films are a vanity project.
There is vanity and there is objectification
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You’re far too intelligent for this place LittleStar 😃
More upset about how netflix is glorifying serial killers at the expense of the family of the victims. Talk about the people he killed, don't humanize the killer wtf. And at the very least ask permission to use the audio of the family. Better yet, pay them. Or donate profits of film to missing persons foundations or the like.
More upset about how netflix is glorifying serial killers at the expense of the family of the victims. Talk about the people he killed, don't humanize the killer wtf. And at the very least ask permission to use the audio of the family. Better yet, pay them. Or donate profits of film to missing persons foundations or the like.
The only living victim is the true hero. He should be getting a cut from Netflix
More upset about how netflix is glorifying serial killers at the expense of the family of the victims. Talk about the people he killed, don't humanize the killer wtf. And at the very least ask permission to use the audio of the family. Better yet, pay them. Or donate profits of film to missing persons foundations or the like.
The only living victim is the true hero. He should be getting a cut from Netflix
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Sadly he has been in and out of jail for petty drug charges bs. Idk how you come back from something like that.
I’d watch the porn version
OK then so I ask how is a movie supposed to show how Marilyn Monroe was exploited without being exploited On scene.
“Well dressed whores”
Archaic
Misogynist
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https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/28/blonde-movie-marilyn-monroe-andrew-dominik-netflix
“Sexist, cruel, detestable”
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/blonde-viewers-slam-netflix-sexist-detestable-1235388301/amp/
“Well dressed whores”
Archaic
Misogynist
👎🏻
https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/28/blonde-movie-marilyn-monroe-andrew-dominik-netflix
Have you watched it yet? Just curious
Yes it’s all that but that’s point of the movie to depict that, no?
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
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True. That's why even with all the added diversity with actors you look at the people controlling the narrative and its still the same demographic. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the white male perspective. It would just be nice to have some variety, some other perspectives. Because we don't exist in a homogeneous society. And if art imitates life then...
Have you heard of the Bechdel test? Its a super low bar of having at least 2 women who have a conversation with each other about anything other than a man. Crazy how few films pass.
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
True. That's why even with all the added diversity with actors you look at the people controlling the narrative and its still the same demographic. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the white male perspective. It would just be nice to have some variety, some other perspectives. Because we don't exist in a homogeneous society. And if art imitates life then...
Have you heard of the Bechdel test? Its a super low bar of having at least 2 women who have a conversation with each other about anything other than a man. Crazy how few films pass.
Whether people like it or not Top Gun Maverick makes money. Two people sat in a dimly lit room talking about social issues doesn't.
There is a middle ground of successful intelligent mainstream films like The Lighthouse, Possessor, Titane, etc
If someone (critics) throws a shit fit over Ariel's skin colour then we are going to get nowhere.
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Assuming women writers and directors only care about making movies about ‘social issues’ 🥴
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
True. That's why even with all the added diversity with actors you look at the people controlling the narrative and its still the same demographic. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the white male perspective. It would just be nice to have some variety, some other perspectives. Because we don't exist in a homogeneous society. And if art imitates life then...
Have you heard of the Bechdel test? Its a super low bar of having at least 2 women who have a conversation with each other about anything other than a man. Crazy how few films pass.
Whether people like it or not Top Gun Maverick makes money. Two people sat in a dimly lit room talking about social issues doesn't.
There is a middle ground of successful intelligent mainstream films like The Lighthouse, Possessor, Titane, etc
If someone (critics) throws a shit fit over Ariel's skin colour then we are going to get nowhere.
Assuming women writers and directors only care about making movies about ‘social issues’ 🥴
Have you seen a film by Sally Potter? Boring is an understatement.
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Men make boring movies too lol. Also top gun was a movie about a dude struggling with his sexuality. Super gay.
Some of the best cult classics that have stood the text of time written and directed by women.
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
True. That's why even with all the added diversity with actors you look at the people controlling the narrative and its still the same demographic. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the white male perspective. It would just be nice to have some variety, some other perspectives. Because we don't exist in a homogeneous society. And if art imitates life then...
Have you heard of the Bechdel test? Its a super low bar of having at least 2 women who have a conversation with each other about anything other than a man. Crazy how few films pass.
Whether people like it or not Top Gun Maverick makes money. Two people sat in a dimly lit room talking about social issues doesn't.
There is a middle ground of successful intelligent mainstream films like The Lighthouse, Possessor, Titane, etc
If someone (critics) throws a shit fit over Ariel's skin colour then we are going to get nowhere.
Assuming women writers and directors only care about making movies about ‘social issues’ 🥴
Have you seen a film by Sally Potter? Boring is an understatement.
Men make boring movies too lol. Also top gun was a movie about a dude struggling with his sexuality. Super gay.
Some of the best cult classics that have stood the text of time written and directed by women.
Name three and if I've seen them I will say so. I'm pretty open minded with films. I liked Watermelon Woman, but with it being set in a video store it is like a nostalgic piece, plus it has the stigma of Miramax.
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Here are 5
Wayne’s world
Clueless
Mean girls
The little rascals
When Harry met sally
I’ve always found it ironic that American Psycho was written and directed by women to be satire on toxic masculinity. And yet men un ironically love the film. How many wanna be serial killers admired and model themselves to aspire to be this fictional character. I know of at least 5 but I’m sure there are more.
Your title of thread says it all "Manroe"
Written, directed, and produced by men. A mans perspective.
Ahh So that’s the point. It was over sexualized to fit n please the man’s perspective .
But almost everything in Hollywood is written and directed produced from man’s perspective for the man’s perspective.
True. That's why even with all the added diversity with actors you look at the people controlling the narrative and its still the same demographic. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the white male perspective. It would just be nice to have some variety, some other perspectives. Because we don't exist in a homogeneous society. And if art imitates life then...
Have you heard of the Bechdel test? Its a super low bar of having at least 2 women who have a conversation with each other about anything other than a man. Crazy how few films pass.
Whether people like it or not Top Gun Maverick makes money. Two people sat in a dimly lit room talking about social issues doesn't.
There is a middle ground of successful intelligent mainstream films like The Lighthouse, Possessor, Titane, etc
If someone (critics) throws a shit fit over Ariel's skin colour then we are going to get nowhere.
Assuming women writers and directors only care about making movies about ‘social issues’ 🥴
Have you seen a film by Sally Potter? Boring is an understatement.
Men make boring movies too lol. Also top gun was a movie about a dude struggling with his sexuality. Super gay.
Some of the best cult classics that have stood the text of time written and directed by women.
Name three and if I've seen them I will say so. I'm pretty open minded with films. I liked Watermelon Woman, but with it being set in a video store it is like a nostalgic piece, plus it has the stigma of Miramax.
Here are 5
Wayne’s world
Clueless
Mean girls
The little rascals
When Harry met sally
We have very different tastes in films. So 80s/90s it hurts.
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Most cult classics are from this era, no?
I’ve always found it ironic that American Psycho was written and directed by women to be satire on toxic masculinity. And yet men un ironically love the film. How many wanna be serial killers admired and model themselves to aspire to be this fictional character. I know of at least 5 but I’m sure there are more.
I don't. I unironically enjoy the book because it takes postmodernism to its ridiculous degree. Mary Harron makes films that make money and gets critical acclaim. She gets given the best subjects about stuff that actually interests me and turns them into utter borefests. How do you make films about Bettie Page and the Scum manifesto dull?
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We aren’t judging based on personal preference, right 😏
We are judging based on sales success and longevity. Top gun eh
It’s funny tho I love plenty of male directed films and most of my favorite directors are men but we criticize a single film and suddenly it’s about how we hate all men. 😄
Smh I know
“Well dressed whores”
Archaic
Misogynist
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https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/28/blonde-movie-marilyn-monroe-andrew-dominik-netflix
Have you watched it yet? Just curious
Yes it’s all that but that’s point of the movie to depict that, no?
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No but I got the lowdown from our kid who is a film maker, has nerves of steel and sits through anything 🥴. His depiction of it turned my stomach. Little Star only managed 45 mins of it...
I won’t bother watching it, I like to be entertained when watching a film...
Ana did herself a disservice with this film but she needs to get paid, so. 🤷🏻♂️
It was crap and I could have spent the first hour doing something way more constructive.
What didn’t you like about it, Cowboy?
I read a few negative reviews, among others that New York Times guy, and I was disappointed cuz I knew exactly what he meant despite not having seen the film. Too bad, I was really looking forward a more nuanced depiction of BPD and I really like Joyce Carol Oates (though haven't read this book). I guess I'll see it at some point.. the bearded New Yorker guy might be wrong. After all Roger Ebert was wrong about "Blue Velvet" cuz he assumed somehow it was about sexual abuse (some ppl are too caught up in their own shit and fail to see the forest for the trees) and not using sexual abuse as a way to catapult the story to previousely unexplored venues. Could be the case with "Blonde" too, though i doubt it.
Also, is Oates' novel as 'physically and emotionally exploative' as the film, and if so, why are we more prone to condemn it in visual form than in written form? As far as I've heard it's one of Oates' most praised novels. 🤔
I haven’t seen it but I might. I am not into movies, especially popular culture movies.
MM was someone I looked up to as a young girl because of her glamour. I know very little about her personal life. If she had a sad life story, that’s tragic, but many other people did too and no one truly cares.
I am not surprised about anything coming out of Hollywood. The problem is that people still think that’s a place where fairytales are made.
It’s especially bad for women and many women talked about it already.
Why is this so controversial? I don’t get it.
Any film showing an abortion scene could be deemed as controversial?
Any film showing an abortion scene could be deemed as controversial?
You can do it subtlety or with a sledgehammer.
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I believe it was quite graphic?
Jesus Christ 😬
“Dominik's rendering of Monroe's forced abortion, including a talking fetus and a shot from inside her vagina, is shocking — but whether this was a real event in her life (minus the talking fetus, of course) remains a gray area. There's no concrete evidence Monroe ever had an abortion, and it's not something she ever admitted or discussed”
Jesus Christ 😬
“Dominik's rendering of Monroe's forced abortion, including a talking fetus and a shot from inside her vagina, is shocking — but whether this was a real event in her life (minus the talking fetus, of course) remains a gray area. There's no concrete evidence Monroe ever had an abortion, and it's not something she ever admitted or discussed”
She's not going to admit it when it was illegal. There's a reason Elton John never came out in the 60s.
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That isn’t what I was referring to
I was talking about the degree of explicitness
Any film showing an abortion scene could be deemed as controversial?
You can do it subtlety or with a sledgehammer.
I believe it was quite graphic?
I think with stuff like that it depends if there is point to it. There was a controversial documentary on Channel 4 called My Foetus. That had a live abortion and was controversial, but there was a purpose to it.
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What was the point of it?
Jesus Christ 😬
“Dominik's rendering of Monroe's forced abortion, including a talking fetus and a shot from inside her vagina, is shocking — but whether this was a real event in her life (minus the talking fetus, of course) remains a gray area. There's no concrete evidence Monroe ever had an abortion, and it's not something she ever admitted or discussed”
She's not going to admit it when it was illegal. There's a reason Elton John never came out in the 60s.
That isn’t what I was referring to
I was talking about the degree of explicitness
I know, but the article questions its accuracy when nobody really knows. Until I see it I can't say.
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If it wasn’t true, they had no right to add that to the film
The guy is doing it for shock value
No sensitivity...
Jesus Christ 😬
“Dominik's rendering of Monroe's forced abortion, including a talking fetus and a shot from inside her vagina, is shocking — but whether this was a real event in her life (minus the talking fetus, of course) remains a gray area. There's no concrete evidence Monroe ever had an abortion, and it's not something she ever admitted or discussed”
She's not going to admit it when it was illegal. There's a reason Elton John never came out in the 60s.
That isn’t what I was referring to
I was talking about the degree of explicitness
I know, but the article questions its accuracy when nobody really knows. Until I see it I can't say.
If it wasn’t true, they had no right to add that to the film
The guy is doing it for shock value
No sensitivity...
And people are talking about it and watching it. Whatever he did works.
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It sure did
Shame he had to stoop so low, but we all know about 💰 💰💰💰💰and the power it has over people
After watching it and after reading some articles about it, I think people are upset that a large portion of it is fictionallzed. The movie is written to make you feel sad for and pity her.. I teared up quite a bit throughout, they portrayed her as someone who was self loathing and desperate to be loved. Certain points were cringe..
But I think the writer projected his own perception of who she was or what she felt, rather than really telling her side of the story. He even admitted that the research that he did on her life was mostly left out of the movie. So I guess it’s controversial because it’s admittedly not very honest.
Ok this just made me pissed, how tf are you gonna not know the full story and just make a profit off it
Disgusting 🥴
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Was reading the reviews on Letterboxd
“One of the worst films I’ve watched in a long time. No amount of arty cinematography can hide the fact that it’s exploitative torture porn”
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Luke
So would guys like it?
Was reading the reviews on Letterboxd
“One of the worst films I’ve watched in a long time. No amount of arty cinematography can hide the fact that it’s exploitative torture porn”
😬
Luke
I have an ebook on torture porn. Trust me I doubt it is, just a buzz word from nearly 20 years ago.
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That was Luke’s perception of it
And I’m sure you have for some reason? 😬
I haven’t seen it but I might. I am not into movies, especially popular culture movies.
MM was someone I looked up to as a young girl because of her glamour. I know very little about her personal life. If she had a sad life story, that’s tragic, but many other people did too and no one truly cares.
I am not surprised about anything coming out of Hollywood. The problem is that people still think that’s a place where fairytales are made.
It’s especially bad for women and many women talked about it already.
Why is this so controversial? I don’t get it.
If you check out Letterboxd Gem, there are lots of reviews there which may give you an idea of what it’s about?
Was reading the reviews on Letterboxd
“One of the worst films I’ve watched in a long time. No amount of arty cinematography can hide the fact that it’s exploitative torture porn”
😬
Luke
I have an ebook on torture porn. Trust me I doubt it is, just a buzz word from nearly 20 years ago.
That was Luke’s perception of it
And I’m sure you have for some reason? 😬
I'm a big horror fan. Torture porn is just films like Saw, Hostel, Wolf Creek - it's not actually porn.
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So why is the word porn in the description?
So would guys like it?
If they’re misogynistic psychopaths...yes lol🥴
Take Rocket with you...let him
bark all the way through
So would guys like it?
If they’re misogynistic psychopaths...yes lol🥴
Take Rocket with you...let him
bark all the way through
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Wait this is in theatres? I thought it was Netflix
So would guys like it?
If they’re misogynistic psychopaths...yes lol🥴
Take Rocket with you...let him
bark all the way through
Wait this is in theatres? I thought it was Netflix
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It’s showing in London if you care to fly over 😃
Was reading the reviews on Letterboxd
“One of the worst films I’ve watched in a long time. No amount of arty cinematography can hide the fact that it’s exploitative torture porn”
😬
Luke
I have an ebook on torture porn. Trust me I doubt it is, just a buzz word from nearly 20 years ago.
That was Luke’s perception of it
And I’m sure you have for some reason? 😬
I'm a big horror fan. Torture porn is just films like Saw, Hostel, Wolf Creek - it's not actually porn.
So why is the word porn in the description?
I've absolutely no idea, just punching down because the films were low budget and made millions. There's no art to them with some exceptions like Martyrs maybe, but critics went all out over films like Nightmare on Elm Street in the 80s and people still watched them.
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Maybe to draw the crowds?
Sex sells ....
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/movies/marilyn-monroe-fetus-blonde.html
Wow what a nasty pos this director is
I hope MM comes back to haunt him
Psychopath
Disgusting 😡
“Well dressed whores”
Archaic
Misogynist
👎🏻
https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/28/blonde-movie-marilyn-monroe-andrew-dominik-netflix
Have you watched it yet? Just curious
Yes it’s all that but that’s point of the movie to depict that, no?
No but I got the lowdown from our kid who is a film maker, has nerves of steel and sits through anything 🥴. His depiction of it turned my stomach. Little Star only managed 45 mins of it...
I won’t bother watching it, I like to be entertained when watching a film...
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I feel like if one is going critique you should watch it . Even little star video said it was really artistic and good
“Well dressed whores”
Archaic
Misogynist
👎🏻
https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/28/blonde-movie-marilyn-monroe-andrew-dominik-netflix
Have you watched it yet? Just curious
Yes it’s all that but that’s point of the movie to depict that, no?
No but I got the lowdown from our kid who is a film maker, has nerves of steel and sits through anything 🥴. His depiction of it turned my stomach. Little Star only managed 45 mins of it...
I won’t bother watching it, I like to be entertained when watching a film...
I feel like if one is going critique you should watch it . Even little star video said it was really artistic and good
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Fair comment but I don’t want to.
Little Star only managed 45 mins of it which spoke volumes..
I’ve read enough about it to get the measure of it....
The abortion scene was dreamlike
In n out of consciousness
the vg scene is internal like the baby looking out
I mean I the movie tree of life had a way longer scene of baby inside vagina coming out an that was called art. This was like a second
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Why are people so upset about the Netflix portrayal of Marilyn Monroe