Is it lack of respect or what?

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Hello gentlemen,

I have recently found myself in the company of several men - they are not acquainted with each other, so this is more than 1 group - successful men between the ages 37 - 52 with a very nonchalant attitude about their cheating or friends cheating. I've heard, well I get lonely on the road, or and no joke and no shade to the sags, but 1 actually used the excuse, that he was a sagittarius, what did we expect, 1 guy just accepts that his closest male friend, will always cheat and it's no big deal - he said side chicks know their place. And more than 1 of these guys are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage - ended because of his cheating and openly admit, it was their fault.

Anyway, I feel like it's a general feeling of disrespect towards women but I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days, is a loss of respect for marriage? Women? Family? Or I can, so I will? And why, the keep getting remarried?

And I'm don't want this to turn into a bashing thread, I'm trying to actually have a conversation.
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I think, for some people, their first allegiance is to themselves. So if cheating provides something they want, even momentarily, they do it. The ramifications to other people are of a, rather distant, secondary concern. Add in the myriad of psychological and relationship issues that could be in play, and there is no easy way to say what drives something like this.

Also, these men may actually respect women in a broad sense but, as a result of the issues mentioned above-- or because they are just fucking horrible dudes, they just no longer have much respect for the women they are specifically involved with.
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Hello gentlemen,

I have recently found myself in the company of several men - they are not acquainted with each other, so this is more than 1 group - successful men between the ages 37 - 52 with a very nonchalant attitude about their cheating or friends cheating. I've heard, well I get lonely on the road, or and no joke and no shade to the sags, but 1 actually used the excuse, that he was a sagittarius, what did we expect, 1 guy just accepts that his closest male friend, will always cheat and it's no big deal - he said side chicks know their place. And more than 1 of these guys are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage - ended because of his cheating and openly admit, it was their fault.

Anyway, I feel like it's a general feeling of disrespect towards women but I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days, is a loss of respect for marriage? Women? Family? Or I can, so I will? And why, the keep getting remarried?

And I'm don't want this to turn into a bashing thread, I'm trying to actually have a conversation.

I agree it's the disrespect but I also know that there are men who won't do this . However I do think the women turn a blind eye I mean look at the red flags remarried three or four times due to cheating. they're cvepting for many reasons, it for the life style . When you marry a playboy what do you expect . No you could say there are some of the women are clueless but ...

For me the fact that the friend is excepting of it would give me a red flag regarding his character and I wouldn't even consider him
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I agree huge red flags but one of them I was really surprised, I never saw it coming from him. He puts on a good show - I should say, I'm not romantically involved with any of them. I think that's why they are so honest about it.
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It could be lack of respect or it could be that "cheating" doesn't exist in their programming, because they truly belong to noone but themselves.

As a species we're hardcoded to procreate and expand, not be bogged down by monogamy. They're just doing what they were built to do, spread their seed. If they want to use a condom, that's their prerogative.

Cheating is the type of bullshit concepts that our society has created in order to oppress the entire world. Did you know in the old days "adultery" was punishable by death? That's how STUPID people are.
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It could be lack of respect or it could be that "cheating" doesn't exist in their programming, because they truly belong to noone but themselves.

As a species we're hardcoded to procreate and expand, not be bogged down by monogamy. They're just doing what they were built to do, spread their seed. If they want to use a condom, that's their prerogative.

Cheating is the type of bullshit concepts that our society has created in order to oppress the entire world. Did you know in the old days "adultery" was punishable by death? That's how STUPID people are.
Yes but you don't have to be married, so if you are inclined to spread your seed, then why buy into the concept of marriage and not just once?
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I don't think it's just a men being men thing. Groups of women can be this way too. There are just f'd up people out there, let's be real now.
so true - took the words out of my mouth but I do see that you are Taurus Sun, Capricorn Moon - how nice !

my new friend and I have this conversation almost daily - it's the era of "instant gratification" and both sexes, the media, society and whatever is fueling this craze ... there are still a few good people out there that believe in the greatness of two coming together and staying together and communicating and working things out no matter what

with all the bad stuff in this world and I'm sure my getting older has a lot to do with it, it is all I can do is to help set an example for my grandchildren - my son is one of the good ones and I am grateful for that ...
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It could be lack of respect or it could be that "cheating" doesn't exist in their programming, because they truly belong to noone but themselves.

As a species we're hardcoded to procreate and expand, not be bogged down by monogamy. They're just doing what they were built to do, spread their seed. If they want to use a condom, that's their prerogative.

Cheating is the type of bullshit concepts that our society has created in order to oppress the entire world. Did you know in the old days "adultery" was punishable by death? That's how STUPID people are.
Yes but you don't have to be married, so if you are inclined to spread your seed, then why buy into the concept of marriage and not just once?
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Cause... societal pressure... just because you have reached adulthood doesn't mean that you are immune to influences from your environment.
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with all the bad stuff in this world and I'm sure my getting older has a lot to do with it, it is all I can do is to help set an example for my grandchildren - my son is one of the good ones and I am grateful for that ...
There are lovely men and women here on this earth with you raising the vibration :-)
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mmmmm, yes there are ...
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I don't think it's just a men being men thing. Groups of women can be this way too. There are just f'd up people out there, let's be real now.
so true - took the words out of my mouth but I do see that you are Taurus Sun, Capricorn Moon - how nice !

my new friend and I have this conversation almost daily - it's the era of "instant gratification" and both sexes, the media, society and whatever is fueling this craze ... there are still a few good people out there that believe in the greatness of two coming together and staying together and communicating and working things out no matter what

with all the bad stuff in this world and I'm sure my getting older has a lot to do with it, it is all I can do is to help set an example for my grandchildren - my son is one of the good ones and I am grateful for that ...
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I was going to say the instant gratification mindset has changed the world as we once knew it or lived in when younger. Many don't want the once in a lifetime type of relationship.. to be with one person for the rest of their lives. Sure there ARE still those out there that do want that ( i'm one) but it is fewer and fewer now a days.

So these guys you mentioned are all married and cheating? that's sad 😢
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Hello gentlemen,

I have recently found myself in the company of several men - they are not acquainted with each other, so this is more than 1 group - successful men between the ages 37 - 52 with a very nonchalant attitude about their cheating or friends cheating. I've heard, well I get lonely on the road, or and no joke and no shade to the sags, but 1 actually used the excuse, that he was a sagittarius, what did we expect, 1 guy just accepts that his closest male friend, will always cheat and it's no big deal - he said side chicks know their place. And more than 1 of these guys are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage - ended because of his cheating and openly admit, it was their fault.

Anyway, I feel like it's a general feeling of disrespect towards women but I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days, is a loss of respect for marriage? Women? Family? Or I can, so I will? And why, the keep getting remarried?

And I'm don't want this to turn into a bashing thread, I'm trying to actually have a conversation.
There's a difference with loyalty and fidelity, which one are you?
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It could be lack of respect or it could be that "cheating" doesn't exist in their programming, because they truly belong to noone but themselves.

As a species we're hardcoded to procreate and expand, not be bogged down by monogamy. They're just doing what they were built to do, spread their seed. If they want to use a condom, that's their prerogative.

Cheating is the type of bullshit concepts that our society has created in order to oppress the entire world. Did you know in the old days "adultery" was punishable by death? That's how STUPID people are.
Yes but you don't have to be married, so if you are inclined to spread your seed, then why buy into the concept of marriage and not just once?
Cause... societal pressure... just because you have reached adulthood doesn't mean that you are immune to influences from your environment.

I would not be able to live in that environment. I would die.

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Well, that's just not true... you're alive right now and, based on the statements you have made, you likely live in a culture that places a heavy emphasis on getting married. Which, also based on your statements, you seem to support (the idea of people getting married and the monogamy that goes with it). So, indeed, you not only seem to live but also thrive in this environment 🙂
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I don't think it's just a men being men thing. Groups of women can be this way too. There are just f'd up people out there, let's be real now.
so true - took the words out of my mouth but I do see that you are Taurus Sun, Capricorn Moon - how nice !

my new friend and I have this conversation almost daily - it's the era of "instant gratification" and both sexes, the media, society and whatever is fueling this craze ... there are still a few good people out there that believe in the greatness of two coming together and staying together and communicating and working things out no matter what

with all the bad stuff in this world and I'm sure my getting older has a lot to do with it, it is all I can do is to help set an example for my grandchildren - my son is one of the good ones and I am grateful for that ...
I was going to say the instant gratification mindset has changed the world as we once knew it or lived in when younger. Many don't want the once in a lifetime type of relationship.. to be with one person for the rest of their lives. Sure there ARE still those out there that do want that ( i'm one) but it is fewer and fewer now a days.

So these guys you mentioned are all married and cheating? that's sad 😢

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No 2 of them were divorced but looking, that's what struck me as so odd. What, why are you looking, when you have a side chick, with your girlfriend, how will marriage change this and why bother? Being the eternal bachelor isn't a bad thing, so why go the route of marriage but I think Daron answered that about societal pressure.
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Hello gentlemen,

I have recently found myself in the company of several men - they are not acquainted with each other, so this is more than 1 group - successful men between the ages 37 - 52 with a very nonchalant attitude about their cheating or friends cheating. I've heard, well I get lonely on the road, or and no joke and no shade to the sags, but 1 actually used the excuse, that he was a sagittarius, what did we expect, 1 guy just accepts that his closest male friend, will always cheat and it's no big deal - he said side chicks know their place. And more than 1 of these guys are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage - ended because of his cheating and openly admit, it was their fault.

Anyway, I feel like it's a general feeling of disrespect towards women but I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days, is a loss of respect for marriage? Women? Family? Or I can, so I will? And why, the keep getting remarried?

And I'm don't want this to turn into a bashing thread, I'm trying to actually have a conversation.
Mid*Life*Crisis

I have also heard men say *it didn't mean anything* when they sleep with other women other than their wives

Smh
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It could be lack of respect or it could be that "cheating" doesn't exist in their programming, because they truly belong to noone but themselves.

As a species we're hardcoded to procreate and expand, not be bogged down by monogamy. They're just doing what they were built to do, spread their seed. If they want to use a condom, that's their prerogative.

Cheating is the type of bullshit concepts that our society has created in order to oppress the entire world. Did you know in the old days "adultery" was punishable by death? That's how STUPID people are.
Yes but you don't have to be married, so if you are inclined to spread your seed, then why buy into the concept of marriage and not just once?
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Maybe because they're forced to - there is such a thing as emotional blackmail, out of implied obligation, or simply wanting to try it.
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I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days




"these days" aren't relative ... it's never been a big deal in all of the days past because men and women are different and don't view the values of the relationship the same.

women have never really seemed to get that .... I suspect they never will, and will forever overlook their double standards of being cheaters, while accusing men of being cheaters.

it's been the way of the world since time began and I suspect it always will.

Again ... and you'll HAVE to let it sink in if you are to get it ...... men and women are different



In fact, from where I observe ... women cheat more than men, way more ... but, they are incapable of getting that because they are viewing it from the man's perspective .. just like the media has programmed them to

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I'm curious, why, is this not a big deal for men these days




"these days" aren't relative ... it's never been a big deal in all of the days past because men and women are different and don't view the values of the relationship the same.

women have never really seemed to get that .... I suspect they never will, and will forever overlook their double standards of being cheaters, while accusing men of being cheaters.

it's been the way of the world since time began and I suspect it always will.

Again ... and you'll HAVE to let it sink in if you are to get it ...... men and women are different



In fact, from where I observe ... women cheat more than men, way more ... but, they are incapable of getting that because they are viewing it from the man's perspective .. just like the media has programmed them to

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Do you mean physically cheat? Or cheat in other ways, emotionally for example.

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I don't think it's just a men being men thing. Groups of women can be this way too. There are just f'd up people out there, let's be real now.
so true - took the words out of my mouth but I do see that you are Taurus Sun, Capricorn Moon - how nice !

my new friend and I have this conversation almost daily - it's the era of "instant gratification" and both sexes, the media, society and whatever is fueling this craze ... there are still a few good people out there that believe in the greatness of two coming together and staying together and communicating and working things out no matter what

with all the bad stuff in this world and I'm sure my getting older has a lot to do with it, it is all I can do is to help set an example for my grandchildren - my son is one of the good ones and I am grateful for that ...
I was going to say the instant gratification mindset has changed the world as we once knew it or lived in when younger. Many don't want the once in a lifetime type of relationship.. to be with one person for the rest of their lives. Sure there ARE still those out there that do want that ( i'm one) but it is fewer and fewer now a days.

So these guys you mentioned are all married and cheating? that's sad 😢


No 2 of them were divorced but looking, that's what struck me as so odd. What, why are you looking, when you have a side chick, with your girlfriend, how will marriage change this and why bother? Being the eternal bachelor isn't a bad thing, so why go the route of marriage but I think Daron answered that about societal pressure.

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gotcha.. ya if you can't keep it in the pants or being an eternal bachelor, why is getting married the end goal? Have an agreed upon open relationship, which maybe they do have that, but i would assume they would share this with you since they shared the other stuff. But many view that topic as taboo and aren't as open about it.
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cheaters of a feather flock together and some men are sheep and easily influenced.

They refuse to see women as fully feeling humans and equals. They rarely see other people as equals whose feelings they should appreciate.

It's lack of self control. Lack of self respect. Lack of honor.



Society is too easy on men and they act like spoilt brats.

They are mean mannish boys. Not men.

Things that make people likely to cheat.

Risk Takers.

People in a position of power. They have people who supplicate to them.

People who travel. Opportunity

Sense of Entitlement and privilege.

In order of faithfulness here are the signs.

Sagittarius: 16%

Aquarius: 15%

Gemini: 13%

Capricorn: 11%

Aries: 9%

Cancer: 8%

Taurus: 7%

Libra: 5%

Leo: 5%

Virgo: 4%

Pisces: 4%

Scorpio: 3%
Well, look at that....an actual chart where scorpios are not #1 😄
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I'm screwed, sag #1 and Aqua #2.. i'm hoping this is for men? 😛 I'm as faithful as they come lol
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does those guys were hot are average ? seems like a couple of virgin
Hi, how are you?

i'm fine and you ?

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I'm good. I need to replace my windshield a rock hit it the other day and it grew a dollar size crack and grew an arm.. So got to spend my money on my car. How's it going for you?
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In organized sports, it's a boys club with little incentive to grow up. Part of them never has and never will. Dunno about other professions tho. They can't blame mob mentality.
That's why I don't go to footy windups anymore.

Boys club mentality mixed with Australia's drinking culture.
Don't blame ya. It's gross.

It's a two way street tho. There's always women waiting at the hotel bar.
I was commenting more on the guys general behaviour than the cheating thing but now that you've mentioned it, those women have no shame.
I gotcha. 🙂

But yeah, those women hack me off. How can we expect to be respected by men when we don't even respect each other as women, wives, mothers...
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I completely agree.
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does those guys were hot are average ? seems like a couple of virgin
Hi, how are you?

i'm fine and you ?


I'm good. I need to replace my windshield a rock hit it the other day and it grew a dollar size crack and grew an arm.. So got to spend my money on my car. How's it going for you?
i'm just full of exam, how did you hit a rock ?
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I was on my way home from work the other day like Wednesday morning, it was loud and sudden i didn't do it though... By Friday I realized a crack on my way home and it was bugging me, cause I was like a rock can do that. So now it's about 200 for everything to be done.